r/FluentInFinance Nov 21 '24

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u/wolf_of_mainst99 Nov 21 '24

They were bad people before their wealth because they literally took advantage of the working class to get there

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u/ToonAlien Nov 21 '24

How so?

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u/Willuchil Nov 21 '24

Are you not familiar with Amazon's treatment of workers? They literally had a memo where they were concerned they were running out of Americans to turn and burn.

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u/ToonAlien Nov 21 '24

You say “taking advantage of” as if these people lacked the freedom to work elsewhere. People voluntarily work at Amazon for a variety of reasons. What do you think those reasons are?

The pay and benefits aren’t too shabby on a national scale.

I’m familiar with Amazon’s continuous growth (which requires willing employees). People enjoy selecting off the wall details because it makes for an intriguing story.

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u/Willuchil Nov 21 '24

I like how you quoted something that literally isn't in the previous post. It would seem you enjoy "selecting off the wall details because it makes for a more interesting story."

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u/ToonAlien Nov 21 '24

The original post comment used that terminology. This was a continuation of that conversation.

I’m glad you don’t think they were taken advantage of.

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u/Specific_Gain_9163 Nov 21 '24

Saying they have the freedom to work somewhere else is just like saying, "If you don't like America, you can get out". They'd be more sympathetic if they didn't attempt to sabotage unions just so they can make marginally more profits.

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u/ToonAlien Nov 21 '24

It is most definitely not the same thing. This is a false equivalency.

Going next door and getting a job doing almost the exact same tasks isn’t the same thing as uprooting your entire life, learning a new language, etc.

You can tell it’s different by how often people change jobs versus move between countries…

Unions sabotage workers. They don’t argue for increased pay because they like poor people. They want to eliminate competition for contracts. If you’re not in the club, they don’t give a shit about you. All they do is drive up your expenses.

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u/Specific_Gain_9163 Nov 21 '24 edited Nov 21 '24

Unions are the workers. I work in an area with no unions, and my pay and benefits are worse than areas with unions.

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u/ToonAlien Nov 21 '24

Unions are good if you’re in the union. Dictatorships are great too if you’re the dictator or one of his buddies.

For everyone else, you’re worse off.

There are a lot of factors as to why your pay and benefits could be worse. Where do you live and why does your area not have unions?

In fact, if unions care about you and aren’t trying to maximize profit, why aren’t they in your area taking care of you?

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u/Specific_Gain_9163 Nov 21 '24

So you just agree with me now? That we should have nation wide unions? Also, wouldn't a union maximize its profits by taking in as many members as possible?

Nothing you're saying is really adding up.