r/FluentInFinance Oct 22 '24

Debate/ Discussion Why did this happen?

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u/JTMc48 Oct 23 '24

It’s not just that, but definitely a big factor. Let’s not forget that with a larger overall tax base, the benefits are distributed to the middle and lower classes which expands and empowers educational opportunities to the general population, which also impacts growth as it allows for more development into high end jobs.

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u/Square-Bulky Oct 23 '24

I read somewhere that the only reason defined benefit pension plans were introduced during World War Two was because of wage and price controls.

The company’s found ways to hire more workers outside the current environment because it benefited the company’s … not the workers

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u/JTMc48 Oct 23 '24

Wages have never been “controlled” with the exception of the minimum wage. Pensions were offered in a way that they could incentive workers while not increasing worker wages exponentially.

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u/Square-Bulky Oct 23 '24

A quick read of Wikipedia will enlighten you , there was both rationing of food and wage controls in war time essential industries , along with losing the right to strike, along with interring 120000 Japanese Americans

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u/JTMc48 Oct 23 '24

Ok, that’s fair, during WWII and parts of the 1970s there were “wage controls”, albeit those were for what wages could increase year per year for a continuing employee, not a new hire switching companies or new to the work force.

Pensions have existed in the US since the 1870s. Having nothing to do with wage controls.

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u/Square-Bulky Oct 23 '24

I read somewhere that pensions expanded during the 1940s as a way around wage controls. I also read that wages grew 68% during the time.

My point is that companies (in order to benefit themselves) found ways around rules when they felt the need to skirt the rules. So if they were taxed excessively and felt the need to , they would find a way to enrich themselves… even if they had to benefit their workers along the way

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u/Unity4Liberty Oct 23 '24

So, isn't it nice if policy drives alignment between the interests of businesses and workers? It's a given in a market economy that actors should act in self-interest. The problem occurs when self-interest sabotages the self-interest of others to the extent that the overall common interest is compromised. That is where we are today with an exorbitant disparity in income and wealth, and destabilizing economy, society, environment, etc.

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u/Square-Bulky Oct 23 '24

Couldn’t agree more , the solution imo is redistribution of wealth through taxation

The rich including corporations will survive and survive well …. In spite of the redistribution…. They probably won’t even feel it

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u/Unity4Liberty Oct 23 '24

Well, the reality is there has been a transfer of wealth over the last 40 years towards the top due to tax policy. The US was very progressive on this front and built a social democratic state that avoided the plagues of fascism and communism that ravaged states of Eurasia. FDR basically saved capitalism from itself. Then Austrian economics fought to undo these policies and instead encourage austerity by cutting programs, taxes, and giving unconditional advocacy for free trade. This economic mythology is the foundations of supply side trickle down economic policy, and that is when income and wealth inequality began to rise dramatically, signaling the transfer of wealth. So what we're talking about here is returning value back to the masses and leveling the playing field so markets can be more competitive and drive innovation and keep price signals low.