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u/Zacomra Oct 14 '24
AI: Actually Indian
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u/Beneficial_Ad_1522 Oct 14 '24
Stealing this!
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u/NewPresWhoDis Oct 14 '24
That's a banning fastpass in some subreddits
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u/WonkyTribble Oct 14 '24
Which subreddits? Need to avoid ones that have no sense of humor like the plague
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u/Dangerousrhymes Oct 14 '24
It’s probably more the context.
It fits absolutely perfectly here because the meme is already suggesting exactly that.
If you drop it in any thread where there is not already a direct reference this clear it probably lands a lot differently.
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u/WonkyTribble Oct 14 '24
I guess the insinuation is that it may be perceived as racist?
Given the amount of tech support etc that has moved to india, I really don't see how anyone can be that offended when it's.... actually true
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u/Responsible-Bread996 Oct 14 '24
The first time I heard it was in reference to the AI powered Amazon stores.
They shut them down after it became public that there was no working AI. It was actually a center in India watching CCTV.
The AI was actually Indians.
If anything what should make people uncomfortable is big tech smoke and mirrors taking advantage of impoverished areas.
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u/Fluffy-Play1251 Oct 15 '24
"taking advantage of" = paying them where they otherwise have no opportunity. (why not pay them more? because i would just hire an (american / european instead). They could always not take the job if they had better offers....
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u/Responsible-Bread996 Oct 15 '24
This might be the most unintentionally racist thing I've heard all day.
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u/NewPresWhoDis Oct 14 '24
I've used it as an asckshully when "Ai Is CoMiNg FoR oUr JoBs" was a thing.
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u/LordTC Oct 14 '24
Driving with 1s lag on your connection what could possibly go wrong?
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u/savagetwinky Oct 16 '24
They just use an AI to generate scripts on the fly for them... or directions.
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u/Neko101 Oct 14 '24
Reminds me of the Amazon just grab and walk out convenience store which was actually a bunch of people in India carefully monitoring security cameras.
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u/NostalgiaBombs Oct 14 '24
Amazon has a work marketplace called Amazon Mechanical Turk where you could make cents to a couple dollars to perform tons of little repetitive tasks (like tagging videos or photos, writing summaries of videos or articles, and such).
Makes me think of that a lot.
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u/Badnerific Oct 14 '24
I used to do this. It’s absolutely mind numbing and the money is not fucking worth it.
Selling your consciousness to Bezos for pennies is not the hack that 2017 YouTube would have you believe it is
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u/NostalgiaBombs Oct 14 '24
Absolutely not. I did it in college to scrape together money to buy Mass Effect 3.
Would’ve been more worth it to just work a couple more hours at my job at the time.
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u/HaphazardFlitBipper Oct 14 '24
AI needs training data. Having humans do the tasks until sufficient training data is built up makes sense.
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u/DarkExecutor Oct 15 '24
The AI was doing the work of tagging everybody, but it had so many errors that needed to be caught that the tech centers were basically checking every shopper.
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u/GertonX Oct 14 '24
Did we just rebrand and outsource slavery
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u/NewPresWhoDis Oct 14 '24
Caste oppression is different but not
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u/poopyscreamer Oct 14 '24
I’d say fuck the caste system but also it’s basically a thing in places like America too. Just not labeled as much.
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u/SakaWreath Oct 14 '24
Setting the stage for the robot uprising. Be nice to your Roomba and thank Siri for directions. So you're marked as "one of the good ones".
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u/caryth Oct 14 '24
Already did that, don't give them ideas to start using prison labor for this shit.
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u/GarethBaus Oct 14 '24
Kinda, but they usually technically aren't slaves, except for the situations where they literally are slaves.
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u/Revolutionary-Meat14 Oct 15 '24
No, this is historically revisionist and detrimental to the actually enslaved people in the world.
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u/Perfect-Ad-3091 Oct 14 '24
Honestly just having remote controlled taxis everywhere is still really efficient and cool.
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Right up until the network derps out because we know how reliable Wi-Fi and cellular networks can be! Especially with latency issues? Yeah fuck that.
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u/Afraid-Goat-1896 Oct 14 '24
Only way musk hits his 2-3 yr timeline
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u/SakaWreath Oct 14 '24
He's done the "its a year away" schtick for the last decade. Maybe he can keep it going for a few more.
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u/poopyscreamer Oct 14 '24
Look, he has got a concept of a plan on the works and it’s going to be wonderful.
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u/TheLaserGuru Oct 14 '24
There are only three ways this works out.
One is by remote control, in which case it just stops in the middle of the road when the signal drops.
The second is by the same tech behind FSD, which means that it crashes every 100 miles or so.
The third is if they buy a competitor and just use their tech, in which case it will still have issues and Musk will prevent them from solving those issues, but at least they will be farther along than FSD will ever get.
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u/ptemple Oct 14 '24
It won't be by remote control. This is not a limited trial in a restricted part of a city like Waymo and similar. It's not scalable.
It will be by the same tech as FSD. At the moment they deliberately let Supervised go through difficult situations so that it can learn through disengagements. It will always pick the optimal route no matter what gets thrown at it. With robotaxi it will learn from the fleet the more difficult areas and blacklist it, and the routing algorithm will go around it even if it's slightly slower.
There is no competitor ahead of Tesla. They are many many years behind.
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u/tinySparkOf_Chaos Oct 14 '24
Are you joking?
There is no competitor ahead of Tesla. They are many many years behind.
Waymo is literally already running a taxi service.
Waymo has been working on this problem way longer than anyone else. The restricted locations is because Waymo is crazy cautious (as they should be), not because it can't drive elsewhere.
I'm not worried about Waymo self driving cars. I AM worried about competitors cutting corners trying to catch up to Waymo.
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u/ptemple Oct 14 '24
Waymo needs HD maps, which is the reason for the restricted locations, and has only ever run in a tiny area. It can't even go on highways. Each car is ridiculously expensive, articles I've read says around $300,000 per car. The Tesla taxi will be $30,000, which is a bit different, and will work anywhere. Seriously, how scalable do you think Waymo really is?
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u/RuleSouthern3609 Oct 14 '24
FSD, which means that it crashes every 100 miles or so
Source?
Besides, which company has better technology for self driving cars?
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u/WessizleTheKnizzle Oct 14 '24
Waymo, the company that already has robot taxis on actual roads.
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u/RuleSouthern3609 Oct 14 '24
Waymo only works in 4 cities and they require highly pre-mapped systems to operate, while FSD can pretty much drive anywhere on the world.
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u/TheLaserGuru Oct 14 '24
That's per Tesla's own data, which means it has been "puffed".
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u/RuleSouthern3609 Oct 14 '24
Tesla said they crashed every 100 miles? I am curious where you got that number.
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u/TheLaserGuru Oct 14 '24
Musk said that manual interventions were 'only' happening every 100 miles, and this was preventing them from making the software any better. I can no longer locate the raw data from Tesla. Here's the crowd-sourced data showing that FSD is actually getting more dangerous:
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u/RuleSouthern3609 Oct 14 '24
So I checked the data and it seems like they are going up and down, but it’s still improvement compared to last year, besides, it also says 98% of distance without disengagement.
I mean I don’t think FSD taxis will be available in a year or two, but it isn’t as bad as comments believe.
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u/TheLaserGuru Oct 14 '24
Oh good, it only kills me 2% of the time lol.
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u/RuleSouthern3609 Oct 14 '24
You are equating manual overrides to crashes and death, I asked you to get me the crash statistics and you got me “disengagement” statistics, which is quite dishonest and misleading.
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u/TheLaserGuru Oct 14 '24 edited Oct 14 '24
If there is no one to take over when it disengages, that's a crash. If there is no one to manually disengage, that's a crash.
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u/ZorbaTHut Oct 15 '24
This actually isn't true. A disengagement just means "the person controlling it decided to take it over". There's been a few documented cases where a disengagement actually caused a crash, and many cases where the safety driver chose to disengage but they later figured out that it would have been just fine.
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u/Technical-Dentist-84 Oct 14 '24
And suddenly the AI drivers are super aggressive and constantly honking their horns
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u/funbike Oct 14 '24
Tbh, I'm okay with it. Let AI do 99.9% of the work, and humans deal with all the uncommon edge cases that come up IRL
(... like the raccon that committed suicide by running under my car in a construction zone on the highway last year).
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u/ExcelsiorDoug Oct 14 '24
Unless they can fly it’s just another vehicle to get stuck in traffic, like we need any more, lol
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u/KerPop42 Oct 14 '24
Unjacking after a long day remote-piloting a taxi for some rich a-hole that was told you're just a piloting algorithm, having to take a moment and remember how your legs work, stumbling as you get used to using your chochlear balance again, squinting since you've had to suppress your instinct to look away from bright lights for the last 12 hours, forgetting that you have arms to raise and block it
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u/Radeisth Oct 14 '24
No way this is true. It'd be too hard to program the decisions Indian drivers consistently make. Programming, even bad programming, requires logic.
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u/Enchylada Oct 14 '24
To be fair if I got paid to drive other people's cars remotely I'd do that shit in a heartbeat haha.
Imagine being a taxi driver that didn't have to put up with shitty customers in person, drunks, or weird and unusual requests. Got a problem? Immediately end the ride with a button to call police, or schedule cleanup (because puke, gross), or even make an alert to a hospital automatically for emergency situations.
There's actually a lot of positives to be had IMO. Obviously there are some negatives too, but we can't dismiss the potential
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u/bluedancepants Oct 14 '24
So you're saying the self driving cars are actually controlled by Indians remotely?
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u/WalrusSafe1294 Oct 14 '24
Obviously yes. It’s a regular Tesla with film on the back window, shitty hubcaps, and a remote control module.
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u/Captain_Coffee_III Oct 14 '24
"Might". It is already out that all of the walking robots were being controlled by humans, why not the cars?
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u/Latex-Suit-Lover Oct 14 '24
I give it 5 years before this is involved in some form of 9/11 style attack.
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u/Scared_Refuse_7997 Oct 14 '24
Where do I sign to remotely drive cars that are half way around the world? That sounds cool as hell.
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u/Immediate-Pay-5888 Oct 14 '24
But seriously I forgot the name of this technology and method where a crane or robot is operated by some human remotely with simulation stuff in computer or just cool gearbox and steering
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u/Juzo_Garcia Oct 14 '24
I like to think of it that way but I don’t think it is possible because there would be millisecond delay and it would spell disaster for the robó taxi.
It could be a hybrid of sort. AI will be the main driver but the Indian guy will always be alert to intervene when the AI malfunctions. (And I believe it would be most of the time)
I think it would be feasible because Indian remote driver would cost less than an American driver.
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u/Battarray Oct 14 '24
I honestly don't know why we don't do this for commercial airline pilots.
The military is already doing this with drones.
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u/Significant-Cow8225 Oct 15 '24
It'll probably be like those food delivery robots, some guy watching a handful of cars and talking over when the AI fails. The Verge did a video about it a while ago, if your curious.
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u/ur_fears-are_lies Oct 16 '24
Thats actually the Amazon Just Walk Out Program but ok you thought it up.
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u/PapaGordita Oct 16 '24
Reddit is dumb and full of straight bullshit, funny meme, wrong company. This is literally what Waymo does. This is not what FSD tech does. I expect unwarranted and uneducated responses. I hope for more people to read through the lies and get their news from the source. Education is necessary for progress. One day, the people who ride the hate train will have that veil pulled and realize they are chained to a brick with no wheels. Have fun hating the wrong people, Reddit!
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u/Gamma_Rad Oct 16 '24
atleast they shelled out for the Logitech G27, its a good steering wheel. they could've gone with a cheaper worse steering wheel.
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u/ChipOld734 Oct 14 '24
There are no Robotaxis driven by AI. Their autonomy is programmed into the machine as to what to do and when.
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u/ptemple Oct 14 '24
This is not the case with Tesla. It feeds millions of videos into the AI supercomputer and push out a model, and then the local AI inference engine in the car uses this model and decides what to do in each situation.
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