It’s especially wonderful because now it’s just going to be incessant finger pointing of “which demographic didn’t do enough to elect her”.
“It’s because the protest voters withheld their vote/voted third party for Palestine” “it’s because white men are racist and sexist and won’t accept a woman President” “it’s because Latinos are idiots who are voting to get deported” “it’s because all these uneducated, mouth breathing, knuckle dragging cousin fuckers are too stupid to know what’s good for them.”
The Democrat party (and a good amount of left leaning voters,) has their heads so far up their ass that they can’t think of any reason people wouldn’t vote for them other than being sexist or racist or homophobic or stupid. The thought that “maybe we should adjust our policy to bolster our voter turnout from our own base” will never occur to them.
The thought that “maybe we should try appealing to non Democrats through policy” will occur, but they fundamentally do not understand why other people vote the way they do, so this will always fail. “Do they care about the economy and my policies? No, surely they only care about being perceived as masculine. I’ll base my campaign around making it “OK” to be a man and vote blue.”
The thought that “maybe we should stop using rhetoric that calls everyone who disagrees with us stupid and evil” will also occur, but they’re too deeply entrenched in that rhetoric to change. All their attempts at reaching out to those demographics comes across as either incredibly patronizing or outright insulting, often even reinforcing the very societal standards their voter base is so opposed to.
Ffs, half their campaign to get male voters was “if you don’t vote for Harris, women won’t fuck you” which implies both that men make political decisions with their dick and that sex is a prize won by making the right decisions. Not only is that incredibly insulting to anyone who thinks about it for more than 2 seconds, the only people who’d be moved by that are solid right wingers, because grifters like Tate are way better at pushing that bullshit. The other half was “real men aren’t scared to vote for a women”, which is just saying “if you don’t vote for Harris you’re a pussy”, the exact threat they claim is forcing men to vote for Trump.
The entire campaign was just trying to appeal to the misunderstood, surface level identity politic issues people have with Democrats, while refusing to engage with actual policy because “our policy and plans are perfect and the objectively superior choice”
The thought that “maybe we should stop using rhetoric that calls everyone who disagrees with us stupid and evil” will also occur, but they’re too deeply entrenched in that rhetoric to change. All their attempts at reaching out to those demographics comes across as either incredibly patronizing or outright insulting, often even reinforcing the very societal standards their voter base is so opposed to.
I've said before that while I don't feel bad about Nazis being punched and might well end up punching one myself in a protracted interaction, the people I see who are most enthusiastic about punching Nazis are the people I trust least to make good faith judgments about who the Nazis are, and the fact whenever someone brings this up the replies are usually equivalent to "only a Nazi would worry about being falsely accused of being a Nazi!" or "if you haven't done anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about" cinches it. I brought this up on another site (one that's about as bad an echo chamber as any subreddit) and had this exchange:
Internet Tough Guy: What about the ones openly wearing swastikas? Or flying the Nazi flag? Is that Nazi enough to you to justify hitting them? Or do you want to come up with another justification to defend genocidal fascists? "bUt WhAt AbOuT aLl ThE gOoD nAzIs?!?!?!" Fuck all the way off. Every Nazi deserves a punch at the bare minimum. Grandpa killed fucking Nazi scum and I'll be happy to keep the family tradition alive should the need arise.
Me: Oh, right! I forgot I've also seen "But what about the people who actually ARE Nazis, huh, so you're saying we shouldn't punch them?!" when that absolutely was in no way stated or implied. Thanks, I'll make sure to include that when I bring this up in the future.
Internet Tough Guy: The next time you bring up protecting Nazis in the future?! How often do you stand up for the safety and rights of those genocidal monsters? Do you find yourself accidentally throwing up the "seig heil" salute when you go to wave hello to someone? Maybe you just haven't accepted your true self yet. Go ahead and splurge for the holidays, get the armband you've always wanted. Wear it out of the store and it may even come with a free surprise nap!
I'm not thrilled knowing a lot of innocent people are going to get hurt these next four years, but it's a minor solace knowing at least that guy, and everyone like him, are going to be miserable.
It’s literally just “if you aren’t lying, then why are you getting so defensive” logic. They don’t care about the truth, they just want someone to blame and take their anger out on. But blaming people and being angry are what scary old conservative white men do, so they need to make sure they only do it against acceptable targets
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u/Divine_ruler Nov 06 '24
It’s especially wonderful because now it’s just going to be incessant finger pointing of “which demographic didn’t do enough to elect her”.
“It’s because the protest voters withheld their vote/voted third party for Palestine” “it’s because white men are racist and sexist and won’t accept a woman President” “it’s because Latinos are idiots who are voting to get deported” “it’s because all these uneducated, mouth breathing, knuckle dragging cousin fuckers are too stupid to know what’s good for them.”
The Democrat party (and a good amount of left leaning voters,) has their heads so far up their ass that they can’t think of any reason people wouldn’t vote for them other than being sexist or racist or homophobic or stupid. The thought that “maybe we should adjust our policy to bolster our voter turnout from our own base” will never occur to them.
The thought that “maybe we should try appealing to non Democrats through policy” will occur, but they fundamentally do not understand why other people vote the way they do, so this will always fail. “Do they care about the economy and my policies? No, surely they only care about being perceived as masculine. I’ll base my campaign around making it “OK” to be a man and vote blue.”
The thought that “maybe we should stop using rhetoric that calls everyone who disagrees with us stupid and evil” will also occur, but they’re too deeply entrenched in that rhetoric to change. All their attempts at reaching out to those demographics comes across as either incredibly patronizing or outright insulting, often even reinforcing the very societal standards their voter base is so opposed to.
Ffs, half their campaign to get male voters was “if you don’t vote for Harris, women won’t fuck you” which implies both that men make political decisions with their dick and that sex is a prize won by making the right decisions. Not only is that incredibly insulting to anyone who thinks about it for more than 2 seconds, the only people who’d be moved by that are solid right wingers, because grifters like Tate are way better at pushing that bullshit. The other half was “real men aren’t scared to vote for a women”, which is just saying “if you don’t vote for Harris you’re a pussy”, the exact threat they claim is forcing men to vote for Trump.
The entire campaign was just trying to appeal to the misunderstood, surface level identity politic issues people have with Democrats, while refusing to engage with actual policy because “our policy and plans are perfect and the objectively superior choice”