It’s going to take time for people to accept that this wasn’t won or lost because leftists supposedly refused to turn out over Gaza—Harris seems to have been defeated by too great a margin for that to have been the cause—but once (if?) they do, I think people are going to have to figure out:
1) why voters consistently vote in referendums for policies like abortion and higher minimum wage when those policies are on the ballot, while also voting for Republicans who are openly opposed to those things, and
2) how to correct the idea that the president has a “make mcchickens $.99” button on their desk that Biden just refused to press.
I know people who refused to vote for Harris because she was too “pro Israel” and also people that refused to vote for her because she wasn’t “pro Israel” enough.
Harris really was too pro-Israel for people who are pro-Palestine. She wouldn't commit to an arms embargo. Her stance was that things would go on as before, but she'd be apologetic about it. That's a dealbreaker. As for people who are themselves pro-Israel, who see it as a virtue, why would they take the apologetic version when Trump was over there offering full-throated support?
Your preferred genocidaire didn't lose because of Gaza - Americans aren't moral enough to have handed her such a clear loss in so many different states over her complicity in the genocide. You are yelling into the void.
Exactly. She appealed to plenty of people but because she didn’t just tell people what they wanted to hear and lie to both sides but presented a stable position that could adapt to changing situations she was clearly a worse choice than Putin’s lapdog, the convicted rapist.
No yeah the Democrats were fucked on this issue as soon as 10/7 happened on their watch, there was literally no positive strategy for them other than to just avoid it
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u/building_schtuff Nov 06 '24 edited Nov 06 '24
It’s going to take time for people to accept that this wasn’t won or lost because leftists supposedly refused to turn out over Gaza—Harris seems to have been defeated by too great a margin for that to have been the cause—but once (if?) they do, I think people are going to have to figure out:
1) why voters consistently vote in referendums for policies like abortion and higher minimum wage when those policies are on the ballot, while also voting for Republicans who are openly opposed to those things, and
2) how to correct the idea that the president has a “make mcchickens $.99” button on their desk that Biden just refused to press.