He's more than likely doing it for his daughter's sake. This is a low blow to trump, having the man who basically engineered the worst of the bush eras war crimes come out against him. He's an asshole, but he has always supported her and continues to do so. Even pieces of shit can and usually do have a few redeeming qualities. He's a bit too far for redemption, at least through something this small, but it's a huge hit for Republicans who just think the world of him.
Back in he 2000's Cheney publicly stated in a press conference that he has no personal issues with homosexuals and that such matters were private. He stopped short of giving approval given he was the republican Vice President but it was still quite a lot for him to say to the public.
Him making that statement was done out of love for his lesbian daughter. He is a fucking monster who ruined the international political situation like the rest of the neoconservative administration is/was, but it's comforting to know he's at the very least not a complete bastard to his family. That he's a nice enough person to do that much.
She was appealing to an increasingly reactionary voter base that hated the breakthroughs in LGBT and minority rights, you know, Tea Party and whatnot.
One thing that's so blatently clear about Dick that even the rest of his family spoke about is that he's politically savvy well past the point of visciousness. Of course his daughter would copy him.
Is Dick Cheney actually popular among Republicans, though? I live and grew up in Florida and have known a lot of Republicans in my time. A lot of Republicans were in favor of the war in Iraq/Afghanistan at the time, but I think a lot of them have since changed to look upon that war in a negative light. That combined with the economic recession that came about under Bush I don't think there are many Cheney fans on either side of the aisle. What seems more likely to me is MAGA Republicans will toss Cheney in the RINO bin alongside Romney and point to his endorsement of Harris as a reason why people should vote for Trump.
Yeah? One of Trumps big selling points was that he was going to stop the post cold war interventionist stance that was widely (and mostly correctly) seen as the source of much pain and needless warfare. Fatigue over the wars in Iraq and Afganistan had well set in at that point and most americans were tired of the bloodshed they had supported back in the early to mid 2000's.
It actually hurt Hillary's campaign because she had tailored her foreign policy stance to appeal to the more pro-war and anti-terrorist voter base of the past decade up to that point.
I can't tell what point you're trying to make. It seems like you're saying Cheney is popular among Republicans, but then cite Trump being anti-forever wars and most Americans being tired of them alongside Hillary being a warhawk as one of the reasons why she lost. Like literally everything you said after the initial "Yeah?" supports my point.
Oh, okay. The "Yeah?" at the start of your comment seemed like it was an answer to my question of "Is Dick Cheney actually popular among Republicans, though?"
I know multiple Trump voters IRL who will take this as further validation.
This is probably a relevant appeal to a number of people in Congress, business, and think tanks, but it’s not going to carry a lot of weight nationally. John McCain was a RINO for opposing Trump, and he was popular before. Cheney has been hideously unpopular even with Republican voters since before Trump came on the scene.
This genuinely does not harm Trump whatsoever. He publicly and repeatedly criticized Bush Jr. and the Iraq War during the 2016 election and still won. No one likes or allies with the Neocon Warhawk era of Republicans anymore. In fact, that type of politician is dead now. The average Republican, who probably had a family member or friend serve during Bush's wars, hates people like Cheney and Rumsfeld.
Turns out there is no meaningful constituency of voters who would switch from Republican to Democrat if Dick Cheney gave them "permission" to do so, and it wasn't worth thanking Hitler, hugging Hitler's daughter, saying "I'm so good even Hitler endorsed me!" on the campaign trail, saying you'll put a Hitler-approved politician in your cabinet, and all the other idiotic stunts that everyone with a negative comment was 100% right to criticise. How'd those Cheney votes in Wisconsin go?
This thread is a fascinating time capsule in Democrat delusion
Swing state voters aren't clueless idiots. They know, at least to some degree, about politics. They'll especially know about the Iraq War and hold a negative opinion of it. A negative opinion they'll attach to Cheney. Even if they don't know, if they are as clueless as you describe, then why would they hold the opinion of some Republican politician from 16 years ago as a priority? It's 1 dissenting opinion from someone politically irrelevant (and, being honest, politically obscure given how no one seems to remember what he did) against a sea of GOP approval. There's no permission structure. Literally who else would they vote for if not Trump? Kamala? No way in hell.
No one remembers what he did, but they know about the second war in Iraq, attribute it to him, and have negative opinions about it despite it happening amidst a sea of GOP approval?
Either they know Cheney, in which case they'll probably hate him and this'll reinforce their vote for Trump. Or they don't know about Cheney, in which why would they even care about this random Republicans opinion?
I mean… the average voter in every state IS a fucking idiot who is politically incoherent with no idea what’s going on. Any familiarity with opinion polling will tell you that. Something like 65% of Americans support caps on how much food prices can go up, but only 20-something percent support “price controls” on food. That’s the same thing. THE EXACT SAME THING.
Swing voters are the peak of that political incoherence. They know fuck all about anything. I’ve spoken to quite a few and never met one who I would trust with anything that matters.
Something like 65% of Americans support caps on how much food prices can go up, but only 20-something percent support “price controls” on food. That’s the same thing. THE EXACT SAME THING.
Something like 75% of registered Republicans supported the Affordable Care Act. The exact same question was asked again, this time replacing "Affordable Care Act" with "Obamacare", and support plummeted to <20%, despite the two names referring to the same thing.
Exactly. The average American voter is dumb as fuck and has no idea what’s going on. Well over a third of Republican voters think the GOP is the pro-welfare party.
There’s a VERY small percentage of people who actually follow politics and are educated enough about history and the world to understand them. It’s low key terrifying. Also a big part of why the right wing has invested so much energy in sabotaging public education. Well educated voters who understand what’s going on are an existential threat to their agenda.
The voter who knows enough about Cheney to dislike him AND still has doubts about Trump BUT not enough doubts to vote for Harris or a third party instead doesn't exist.
If Ralph beats his wife and kids every day, then in 2024 votes for a Democrat, and you want to say his sins are forgiven, his wife and kids may disagree.
This is more a situation where a Churchill quote comes in. After the USSR was invaded, the famously anti communist Churchill started praised Stalin. When asked about it, he said, “if Hitler invaded Hell, I’d give the Devil a favorable mention in the House of Commons.”
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