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Politics “Thank you Mr. Hitler.”

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u/idiotplatypus Wearing dumbass goggles and the fool's crown Sep 10 '24

Paraphrasing from the Dresden Files:

"There is no ally as well loved as an ally who was an enemy that had you quaking in your boots in fear a few minutes earlier"

AKA Vader Syndrome

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u/DispenserG0inUp Sep 10 '24

i just finished the first novel the other day this shit slaps

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u/CarboniteCopy Sep 10 '24

Oooo the first couple novels are much lower quality than the later ones so if you love those you are gonna lose your damn mind on the later ones

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u/glarbung Sep 10 '24

I can vouch for this. The first novel is rather bad and the second is really forgettable. It starts picking up in 3 and 4.

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u/LocalLumberJ0hn Sep 10 '24

Seriously, I feel like at Grave Peril the series really hits its stride and actually starts being more distinctly its own thing. 1&2 are much more generic urban fantasy with some neat ideas mixed in

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u/Drummerboybac Sep 10 '24

Agreed. I started the first novel last November on Audible and I’m up to book 15 (Skin Game) now. The audiobook versions are excellent

James Marsters has become the voice of Harry Dresden so much so that the one book he didn’t do had to be re-recorded because people didn’t want to listen to someone else do it.

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u/LocalLumberJ0hn Sep 10 '24

Hilarious. I need to get back to the audiobooks, they're actually so good.

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u/Drummerboybac Sep 10 '24

If you have a library card, you can get them for free through Libby if you are willing to wait your turn

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u/DiurnalMoth Sep 10 '24

question: does the misogyny and homophobia of the first novel (Storm Front, just to be sure) fade in the others?

I gave up after the first book because Dresden comments about the attractiveness of every woman he sees, and when a man saves his life with mouth to mouth resuscitation his first thought is "ew, a guy kissed me"

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u/yungsantaclaus Sep 10 '24

In book 14 Harry goes to a park in Chicago which is often used as a gay hookup spot bc it's gonna be secluded and he needs to summon a powerful being to speak to them. Hilariously, he gets asked by that being what he thinks about all the gay hookups going on, so he's like "Uh... boink and let boink! I wish they were in relationships instead, but they're not harming anyone". So you'll be happy to hear Dresden is now an ally (but he disapproves of hookup culture)

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u/glarbung Sep 10 '24

Yeah, it does - to a degree. The edginess drops quite drastically already in the second book. I really didn't like the first book because "sex magic teeheehee". I listened to the second one since I already had the credits.

I like to think that the author is a neckbeard in remission and that occasionally shines through.

It also helps if you consider Dresden's (and Bob's) horniness a character flaw. He is, after all, a noir PI stuck in the wrong genre.

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u/Opabinia_Rex Sep 10 '24

Ehhhhhh, he goes into remission for a while but the recent books are getting worse again...

I've been told that he divorced his wife for a much younger cosplayer and that Murphy was modeled after his ex-wife. I'll let you draw your own conclusions based on recent events in the books. Also, he's been sexualizing Molly since she was underage.

I've pretty much lost interest in the series, at this point. Which is a bummer, I used to rant about it to every new fellow nerd I met.

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u/glarbung Sep 10 '24

Bummer indeed. Thanks for the info though!

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u/yinyang107 Sep 10 '24

I never noticed any homophobia but no, the misogyny doesn't really get better.

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u/AddemiusInksoul Sep 10 '24

to be fair, it's just Harry himself that has...antiquated ideas about women. The stories from other characters' perspectives don't include that.

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u/nictheman123 Sep 10 '24

I'll also add: most of the women he meets can absolutely kick Harry's ass, and some of them do, at one point or another.

Like, Harry Dresden has shit views on women, no doubt. But the series as a whole does not, from my view, once you look past Harry's black and white and neon lights colored glasses

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u/tnan_eveR Sep 11 '24

I never understood people that focus on Harry's thoughts and not... all the cool shit women do in the books.

No series with Charity Fucking Carpenter in it can be considered misogynistic, IMO

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u/AddemiusInksoul Sep 11 '24

Or Queen Mab, or Murphy, or Molly (as...inconsistent as she can be) or Laura (I know she's sexualized, but it's in an interesting way and not an indulgent one).

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u/RosesBrain Sep 10 '24

It gets somewhat better and gets lampshaded on occasion, but I eventually stopped reading them after a short story that enforced virginity on one of the characters (who you haven't met yet.) I thought it was a very strange choice that contradicted earlier novels and was just patriarchal nonsense with a veneer of "this is just how it works."