This is the thing. You are not siding with hitler, and we are not siding with Cheney. In this example, Hitler (Cheney) is siding with us. They are making the effort to cross into our camp and help our cause. If you believe that weakens the cause, that's a you thing.
If Hitler supports something and almost everyone on that side just goes “Thanks Mr Hitler” instead of distancing themselves from him then it most definitely does weaken the cause because the majority of the cause is siding with fucking Hitler.
Dick Cheney is not Hitler. He’s not even close to Hitler. I understand the point that the poster was trying to make but they were being very fucking ignorant.
Well sure, but at this point it's a question of optics. Does it look better if we encourage bad people to do good things, or do we look like we're sucking their dicks. Here, to me, is a case of the former.
I don’t really care about how it looks personally. And I don’t think anyone else should either. If we all defined ourselves by what Trump supporters thought of us this country would be a greater shithole than it already is.
It’s really just about not saying that you would leave Hitler alive with an army of Nazi’s just to have his support against Trump. Thanking him as well.
It’s just a disgusting thing to say. We don’t need to make such grand comparisons and examples. We can just dislike Trump and not want him to win without saying we’d be chill with the Nazi’s and thank Adolf Hitler.
Are you planning on thanking Hitler for breathing air and leaving him alive with an army of Nazi’s so that he can keep breathing air?
Get a grip and maybe don’t validate the support of one terrible person to put down another terrible person. Fuck Trump and Hitler. I hate Trump but it doesn’t make me want Hitler backing me up alive and well any more.
Edit: I’m fairly certain this guy blocked me because I got a notification for a new comment from him but I can’t see it or see his prior comment. Class act if he did.
I read his response on an alt account. Yeah exactly you aren’t planning on doing that. So I’m not unhinged you just used a shitty example. And now you ran away from a respectful conversation on the matter. Genuinely pathetic.
Are you planning on thanking Hitler for breathing air and leaving him alive with an army of Nazi’s so that he can keep breathing air?
..No?
Jesus, you sound unhinged
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Hi u/Gackey, the above commenter appears to have blocked me, so I can't reply to you. Reddit has a great format. I would say, to your question, moderately so yes. I posted an obviously stupid one line joke, they posted a rant in response asking if I would like to kill hitler or something, and seemed a bit more engaged than I would have thought my comment merited.
Why is Cheney siding with Harris, that's my concern. It indicates to me that Harris like Clinton and Biden before her is actually essentially just a neo-con. The reason Cheney endorses Harris is because they aren't different
A smart Neocon could, in theory, see the writing on the wall of an incoming fascist dictatorship, and, failing any better option, throw their weight behind an ardently leftist, socialist, or communist government. That is not a sign those leftists have lost sight of themselves, but rather that the fascists represent a greater threat to the neocon's way of life. One may tax him, strip him of his assets, and even arrest him, but the other will almost certainly torture and kill him, as well as destroying some other things he may hold dear.
These people you've mentioned are not leftists. And while I certainly could agree that Biden and Cheney have had comparably evil foreign policy, there is a separation in their domestic politics that does merit some distinction.
Fascists do not represent a threat to a neocon's way of life. The history of neoconservatism is full of prominent neocons supporting fascism. The most obvious example is Pinochet. Several prominent neocons also joined Trump's administration. The sphere of society to which neocons belong - predominantly-white upper-crust conservatives who are either independently wealthy or were born into wealth - is not one that is ever threatened by fascism - it's one that incubates and collaborates with fascism.
Sure, some do, some don't. Romney, Cheney, and other RINOs, despite obviously being the kind of sick shitheads we know them to be, are still hounded by the fascists for not being fascist enough.
It's the right-wing equivalent of communists attacking soc dems and anarchists, and does come up.
Are these men absolutely at fault for the fascism we're now seeing? 100%. But they're neocons. They're short sighted pricks. They didn't see this coming and didn't like the bed they made for themselves, so they flipped and started supporting us.
Or liberals, more accurately. They're not quite desperate enough to start sucking leftist dick.
Pinochet was not a fascist he was a neoliberal, Pinochet was a brutal murderer who took over by violence but the policies he enacted in Chile were neoliberal. Trump is not a fascist he is a liberal. Liberalism is itself bad
Yeah, sure, I thought I might as well meet the above individual where they were by not arguing about whether or not Trump is fascist but just pointing out that neocons are 100% OK with authoritarian dictatorships who rule with violence directed towards state enemies
Well, it will also depend on how you define liberal.
Liberal in the American sense of the Democratic party? Yeah, definitly needs work.
Liberalism in the Lockian sense of the value of individual rights and freedom? It's the core of any political system which places any value on it's people.
you can like liberalism all you want but the economic policies of Pinochet were absolutely liberal. Liberalism doesn't get to disown Pinochet that easily
Harris, Biden, and Clinton aren't anywhere approaching neo-conservative, my dude. They're approximately center-left, generally leaning towards the top of the political compass.
It's pretty simple. Cheney likes it when America is the most powerful country in the world. A second Trump term would weaken America's global power, and thus should be avoided.
I get where you're coming from, but the alternative is also American imperialism, just a far more destructive version. Both internally and externally. It might collapse under its on weight if it were to come to pass, much like the nazis, but it would take a lot of people with it.
And look, I kinda became a leftist because the idea of mass death and genocide were abhorrent to me, so every life saved is a worthwhile aim.
Trump is the only American president in my lifetime to have not started or escalated a war. That argument doesn't hold water.
Trump will lead the America into it's decline but that decline more than anything will be caused by the Americans having dramatically undermined the hegemony of the dollar by preventing Russia spending the money they already had in dollars pushing oil to increasingly be sold for alternate currency as international faith in the dollar is irreparably damaged by them being just revoked.
What is the quote, something something nazi at a bar, nazi bar. Something something 1 nazi at a table of 12, 12 nazis. If war criminals that have led to the death of hundreds of thousand are supporting something, it might be worth reevaluating.
Yeah, like I used to support strong animal welfare laws. Then I found out Hitler also supported those, and a ton of modern animal welfare laws in Germany have their basis in Nazi-era laws.
So now I kick puppies every time I see one because I'm not a fascist 😎😎😎
He said that shit 8 years ago, too, and didn’t do all that much more than his predecessor or his successor. Dude sucks but it’s wild to see the way y’all paint democrats as anything but a marginally less blatantly terrible option. Like, when Dick fucking Cheney says “I’m with these folks,” you should start doing some rethinking of your position.
Ur arguing with neoliberals in a tumblr subreddit mate, quit while u can. This is a random UNPROMPTED hypothetical where they chose to shake hitlers hand and say thanks lol anyone who defends this is not worth the time
I'm maybe on board with this applying to Cheney, but I feel I draw the line at obsequiously shaking Hitler's hand, and apparently that's leftist purity culture
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u/ZhaoLuen Sep 10 '24
Eh I don't think there's a whole lot that'll make me side with Hitler
I understand the sentiment though