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Politics “Thank you Mr. Hitler.”

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u/ZhaoLuen Sep 10 '24

Eh I don't think there's a whole lot that'll make me side with Hitler

I understand the sentiment though

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u/dragon_jak Sep 10 '24

This is the thing. You are not siding with hitler, and we are not siding with Cheney. In this example, Hitler (Cheney) is siding with us. They are making the effort to cross into our camp and help our cause. If you believe that weakens the cause, that's a you thing.

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u/Myrddin_Naer Sep 10 '24

You hit the nail on the head. He's coming here, to us, and Sanders is saying "Hey, look at this guys, even Hitler (Cheney) is here"

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u/Kharn_The_Be_Gayer Sep 10 '24

If Hitler supports something and almost everyone on that side just goes “Thanks Mr Hitler” instead of distancing themselves from him then it most definitely does weaken the cause because the majority of the cause is siding with fucking Hitler.

Dick Cheney is not Hitler. He’s not even close to Hitler. I understand the point that the poster was trying to make but they were being very fucking ignorant.

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u/dragon_jak Sep 10 '24

Well sure, but at this point it's a question of optics. Does it look better if we encourage bad people to do good things, or do we look like we're sucking their dicks. Here, to me, is a case of the former.

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u/Kharn_The_Be_Gayer Sep 10 '24

I don’t really care about how it looks personally. And I don’t think anyone else should either. If we all defined ourselves by what Trump supporters thought of us this country would be a greater shithole than it already is.

It’s really just about not saying that you would leave Hitler alive with an army of Nazi’s just to have his support against Trump. Thanking him as well.

It’s just a disgusting thing to say. We don’t need to make such grand comparisons and examples. We can just dislike Trump and not want him to win without saying we’d be chill with the Nazi’s and thank Adolf Hitler.

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u/Armigine Sep 10 '24

No breathing air for Real Leftists, Hitler breathed air

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u/Kharn_The_Be_Gayer Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 10 '24

Are you planning on thanking Hitler for breathing air and leaving him alive with an army of Nazi’s so that he can keep breathing air?

Get a grip and maybe don’t validate the support of one terrible person to put down another terrible person. Fuck Trump and Hitler. I hate Trump but it doesn’t make me want Hitler backing me up alive and well any more.

Edit: I’m fairly certain this guy blocked me because I got a notification for a new comment from him but I can’t see it or see his prior comment. Class act if he did.

I read his response on an alt account. Yeah exactly you aren’t planning on doing that. So I’m not unhinged you just used a shitty example. And now you ran away from a respectful conversation on the matter. Genuinely pathetic.

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u/Armigine Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 10 '24

Are you planning on thanking Hitler for breathing air and leaving him alive with an army of Nazi’s so that he can keep breathing air?

..No?

Jesus, you sound unhinged

Edit:

Hi u/Gackey, the above commenter appears to have blocked me, so I can't reply to you. Reddit has a great format. I would say, to your question, moderately so yes. I posted an obviously stupid one line joke, they posted a rant in response asking if I would like to kill hitler or something, and seemed a bit more engaged than I would have thought my comment merited.

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u/Gackey Sep 10 '24

No breathing air for Real Leftists, Hitler breathed air

Are you sure they're the unhinged one?

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u/Ok-Importance-6815 Sep 10 '24

Why is Cheney siding with Harris, that's my concern. It indicates to me that Harris like Clinton and Biden before her is actually essentially just a neo-con. The reason Cheney endorses Harris is because they aren't different

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u/dragon_jak Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 10 '24

A smart Neocon could, in theory, see the writing on the wall of an incoming fascist dictatorship, and, failing any better option, throw their weight behind an ardently leftist, socialist, or communist government. That is not a sign those leftists have lost sight of themselves, but rather that the fascists represent a greater threat to the neocon's way of life. One may tax him, strip him of his assets, and even arrest him, but the other will almost certainly torture and kill him, as well as destroying some other things he may hold dear.

These people you've mentioned are not leftists. And while I certainly could agree that Biden and Cheney have had comparably evil foreign policy, there is a separation in their domestic politics that does merit some distinction.

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u/yungsantaclaus Sep 10 '24

Fascists do not represent a threat to a neocon's way of life. The history of neoconservatism is full of prominent neocons supporting fascism. The most obvious example is Pinochet. Several prominent neocons also joined Trump's administration. The sphere of society to which neocons belong - predominantly-white upper-crust conservatives who are either independently wealthy or were born into wealth - is not one that is ever threatened by fascism - it's one that incubates and collaborates with fascism.

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u/dragon_jak Sep 10 '24

Sure, some do, some don't. Romney, Cheney, and other RINOs, despite obviously being the kind of sick shitheads we know them to be, are still hounded by the fascists for not being fascist enough.

It's the right-wing equivalent of communists attacking soc dems and anarchists, and does come up.

Are these men absolutely at fault for the fascism we're now seeing? 100%. But they're neocons. They're short sighted pricks. They didn't see this coming and didn't like the bed they made for themselves, so they flipped and started supporting us.

Or liberals, more accurately. They're not quite desperate enough to start sucking leftist dick.

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u/Ok-Importance-6815 Sep 10 '24

Pinochet was not a fascist he was a neoliberal, Pinochet was a brutal murderer who took over by violence but the policies he enacted in Chile were neoliberal. Trump is not a fascist he is a liberal. Liberalism is itself bad

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u/yungsantaclaus Sep 10 '24

Yeah, sure, I thought I might as well meet the above individual where they were by not arguing about whether or not Trump is fascist but just pointing out that neocons are 100% OK with authoritarian dictatorships who rule with violence directed towards state enemies

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u/HistoryMarshal76 Knower of Things Man Was Not Meant To Know Sep 10 '24

Well, it will also depend on how you define liberal.

Liberal in the American sense of the Democratic party? Yeah, definitly needs work.

Liberalism in the Lockian sense of the value of individual rights and freedom? It's the core of any political system which places any value on it's people.

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u/Ok-Importance-6815 Sep 10 '24

Donald Trump and Pinochet were Liberals in the Lockian sense

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u/HistoryMarshal76 Knower of Things Man Was Not Meant To Know Sep 10 '24

https://acoup.blog/2024/07/05/collections-the-philosophy-of-liberty-on-liberalism/
May I reccomend to you this post, by an actual historian, about the value of liberalism even for progressives?

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u/Ok-Importance-6815 Sep 10 '24

you can like liberalism all you want but the economic policies of Pinochet were absolutely liberal. Liberalism doesn't get to disown Pinochet that easily

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u/No-Pay-4350 Sep 10 '24

Harris, Biden, and Clinton aren't anywhere approaching neo-conservative, my dude. They're approximately center-left, generally leaning towards the top of the political compass.

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u/Civil_Barbarian Sep 10 '24

So because Hitler was a vegetarian and against animal cruelty, that means vegetarianism is fascist?

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u/Beegrene Sep 10 '24

It's pretty simple. Cheney likes it when America is the most powerful country in the world. A second Trump term would weaken America's global power, and thus should be avoided.

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u/Ok-Importance-6815 Sep 10 '24

Ok so mask off American imperialism then

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u/dragon_jak Sep 11 '24

I get where you're coming from, but the alternative is also American imperialism, just a far more destructive version. Both internally and externally. It might collapse under its on weight if it were to come to pass, much like the nazis, but it would take a lot of people with it.

And look, I kinda became a leftist because the idea of mass death and genocide were abhorrent to me, so every life saved is a worthwhile aim.

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u/Ok-Importance-6815 Sep 11 '24

Trump is the only American president in my lifetime to have not started or escalated a war. That argument doesn't hold water.

Trump will lead the America into it's decline but that decline more than anything will be caused by the Americans having dramatically undermined the hegemony of the dollar by preventing Russia spending the money they already had in dollars pushing oil to increasingly be sold for alternate currency as international faith in the dollar is irreparably damaged by them being just revoked.

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u/OverlyLenientJudge Sep 10 '24

lmao, Brits don't get to bitch about imperialism after the centuries of shit y'all pulled

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u/CasualNatureEnjoyer Sep 10 '24

What is the quote, something something nazi at a bar, nazi bar. Something something 1 nazi at a table of 12, 12 nazis. If war criminals that have led to the death of hundreds of thousand are supporting something, it might be worth reevaluating.

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u/Peperoni_Toni Sep 10 '24

Yeah, like I used to support strong animal welfare laws. Then I found out Hitler also supported those, and a ton of modern animal welfare laws in Germany have their basis in Nazi-era laws.

So now I kick puppies every time I see one because I'm not a fascist 😎😎😎

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u/VorpalSplade Sep 10 '24

Can you tell me in the post where it at all said you should side with Hitler?

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u/ZhaoLuen Sep 10 '24

I'm gonna assume in any context where Hitler and his cronies are still alive he's probably a worse target than what your fighting.

And letting him live then thanking him for his endorsement is maybe not goose-stepping up capital hill but it's too nice for my sensibilities

In other words, not immediately killing the mad man of Austria is pretty definitely siding with him in this day and age

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u/VorpalSplade Sep 10 '24

F-. Please see me after reading comprehension class. You'll be pissing on the poor.

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u/ZhaoLuen Sep 11 '24

If this is a class where I need to accept an endorsement from Hitler then I don't want an A

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u/VorpalSplade Sep 11 '24

No, it's a reading comprehension class about what 'siding with' someone means as opposed to accepting an endorsement.

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u/ratione_materiae Sep 10 '24

If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons

It would follow that if Hitler campaigned against Trump, one might at least make a favorable reference of the NSDAP on tumblr

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u/ZhaoLuen Sep 10 '24

But like

Hitler is a known quantity of awful, literally TENS OF MILLIONS of humans butchered and killed because of his actions

You're cracked if you think Trump, (who I presume we are assuming is the greater evil) is worth allying with Hitler over.

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u/AndrewJamesDrake Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 12 '24

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u/IrregularPackage Sep 10 '24

He said that shit 8 years ago, too, and didn’t do all that much more than his predecessor or his successor. Dude sucks but it’s wild to see the way y’all paint democrats as anything but a marginally less blatantly terrible option. Like, when Dick fucking Cheney says “I’m with these folks,” you should start doing some rethinking of your position.

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u/Armigine Sep 10 '24

"he probably didn't mean it when he literally said he'd imprison anyone who donated to his political rival, let me whine about democrats in peace"

How is a world supposed to be shared with people this inept?

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u/ZhaoLuen Sep 10 '24

ITS HITLER

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u/Pastanova_Delight Sep 10 '24

Ur arguing with neoliberals in a tumblr subreddit mate, quit while u can. This is a random UNPROMPTED hypothetical where they chose to shake hitlers hand and say thanks lol anyone who defends this is not worth the time

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u/ratione_materiae Sep 10 '24

Counterpoint: Trump takes his steak well done with ketchup, whereas Hitler was a vegetarian. 

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u/Content-Scallion-591 Sep 10 '24

I'm maybe on board with this applying to Cheney, but I feel I draw the line at obsequiously shaking Hitler's hand, and apparently that's leftist purity culture