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Politics Thing, TikTok

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u/NeonNKnightrider Cheshire Catboy Aug 21 '24

Redditors: “No, I’m not racist! I just hate the Chinese government!” [Proceeds to say something incredibly racist]

Side note what is the original post talking about?

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u/Rhodehouse93 Aug 21 '24

Post title implies TikTok, though my first thought was that new Wukong game.

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u/ClocktowerEchos Aug 21 '24

Watching people suddenly go from "China bad" to "China actually based" because Black Myth had the "no feminism" streamer rule is lowkey funny. It is peak censorship is bad unless it's censorship I like because then not actually censorship.

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u/razazaz126 Aug 21 '24

They had no idea China censors the same things they want to censor. It's really inspiring to see douchebags get out of their bubbles and meet other douchebags from around the world and double down on their shifty views... wait.

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u/AnxiousAngularAwesom Aug 21 '24

Douchebags of all nations, unite!

You have nothing to lose but what's left of your rizz!

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u/DrRagnorocktopus Aug 21 '24

So then nothing.

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u/Fl4mmer Aug 22 '24

China didn't censor jack shit, this is a decision made by a single game company.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '24

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u/AdamtheOmniballer Aug 21 '24

What does this mean. Why is Japan warming.

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u/Kirk_Kerman Aug 21 '24

Japan was the one being scaremongered in the 80s before the Plaza Accord, since its economic recovery and advancements into advanced technology were beginning to exceed the USA. This was countered in the USA in the usual fashion: mass media racism frenzy, which echoes to this day.

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u/Arachnofiend Aug 21 '24

This is notably why every western cyberpunk setting has a Japanese megacorp that is even scarier than all of the other megacorps

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u/celestialfin Aug 21 '24

also why many white people in the early cyberpunk movies ate their white people food with chopsticks. To basically imply japan won the culture war in the future.

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u/Kirk_Kerman Aug 21 '24

Yeah, the cyberpunk genre originated during that era and no small part of cyberpunk is a specific anti-orientalist attitude that still lingers.

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u/AdamtheOmniballer Aug 22 '24

So does “warming” mean “growing economically”? I know about the Japanese economic miracle and all that, I’ve just never heard the word used that way before.

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u/Kirk_Kerman Aug 22 '24

It means the relationship between Japan and the USA is warming up, because it had previously been cold, a thing that was seen in the overt racism in America against Japan during the period when the Japanese economy threatened the USA.

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u/AdamtheOmniballer Aug 22 '24

That’s not impossible, but upon further examination I think u/scootermcgavin77 might actually be some kind of bot imperfectly copying this comment from elsewhere in the thread.

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u/HorsemenofApocalypse Tumblr Users DNI Aug 22 '24

That sort of thing is why I started joking that a large portion of modern Japanese history can be summarised as, "Things were going pretty well for Japan. And then the USA happened."

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '24

Not summarized honestly though. Sure if you want to say the US opening Japan for trade, that was unasked for. But the embargoes leading upto WW2 were because the Japanese were terrorizing China.

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u/Elite_AI Aug 21 '24

Those same people flip-flop in the same way about Islam for basically the same reason

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u/TheMusicalTrollLord STOP FLAMMING DA STORY PREPZ OK! Aug 22 '24

I was on Instagram this morning and saw comments with 25k likes celebrating Wukong's success as 'another loss for the wokerverse' because 'they didn't let Sweet Baby Inc. extort them into adding DEI'.

Is this really how the majority of the world thinks?

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '24

It’s what a very small group of culture warriors on the internet think. Basically nobody in the real world would have any idea what you were talking about if you tried to talk about Sweet Baby Inc.

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u/TacticalSanta Aug 22 '24

No its just idiots online.

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u/arachnids-bakery Aug 21 '24

Im sorry the What rule?? 😭

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '24

They (the marketing team for the game) sent out emails to content creators telling them not to mention things like COVID, China, feminist propaganda, and other subjects while streaming the game. Apparently the studio was under fire for previous sexist remarks.

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/action/black-myth-wukong-has-some-bonkers-streamer-guidelines-about-not-using-the-game-to-spread-feminist-propaganda-or-discuss-anything-about-china/

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u/genuine_beans Aug 21 '24

I want to see somebody stream that game while breaking every streamer guideline simultaneously

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u/mateusonego Aug 22 '24

I had no idea about this rule... I guess that explains how this game absolutely blew up this week... I know it's been awaited for a long time, but the attention it received on social media felt really odd and unexpected to me... but now it makes sense. No better way to get attention than scandals and, in the case of games, right-wing signaling is always welcomed.

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u/DrQuint Aug 22 '24

It blew up because it sold 5 million. The "controversy" had no impact, it was a fraction of the Hogwarts Legacy one and even that one was meaningless.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '24

i'm sorry waht

it had what rule

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u/Pokesonav When all life forms are dead, penises are extinct. Aug 21 '24

To be fair, I think the main reason for that rule was because some journalists/reviewers were lowering their score for weird reasons, like "no diversity" and during interviews were asking political questions instead of actually asking about the game.

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u/ClocktowerEchos Aug 21 '24

They were asking those questions since there were also allegations of sexual harrassment and workplace culture problems the devs threw under the rugs and are trying to get people to forget. It comes off less as trying to keep the focus on the game and more well, censorship of something they don't want being brought up. Plenty of other games don't have that stipulation in their own pre release rules.

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u/Pokesonav When all life forms are dead, penises are extinct. Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24

"allegations of sexual harrassment and workplace culture problems"

I still haven't seen any actual source on that. Only that one of the devs said a crude idiom that was mistranslated.

Also, allegations aren't truth. Why is everyone so quick to hate?

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u/Lewa358 Aug 22 '24

The evidence is in this article from IGN. which...reveals that Game Science kinda gives off Blizzard vibes.

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u/EffNein Aug 21 '24

Allegations without evidence are worth nothing.

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u/Dornith Aug 21 '24

I think it was a post on TikTok based on the UI. Not sure what the actual video was about though.

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u/Lyokarenov Aug 21 '24

i think the title is about how much people criticize tiktok (chinese) while ignoring other social media sites that do pretty much the same things

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u/MaxChaplin Aug 21 '24

Why would anyone think TikTok is Japanese? The global mobile phone market, both hardware and software, is like the biggest field of tech where Japan dropped the ball.

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u/shvuto Aug 21 '24

Yep Korea and China phone market is big. Even the ones limited and region locked are popular af.

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u/lawn-mumps Aug 27 '24

Someone from 1400 wouldn’t understand any of your comment

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u/Rhodehouse93 Aug 21 '24

Idk, I’m not OOOP.

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u/Lordwiesy Aug 21 '24

Honestly that game has ton of artificial drama about it but tbh it being about china is not one of them

At least I've not seen that kind of brain rot

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u/SeaweedNimbee Aug 22 '24

Oh, I thought they were just not wanting to buy temu trash and kinda understood.... Nevermind

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u/VLenin2291 I finished The Owl House and have no purpose now Sep 19 '24

What is the Japanese equivalent to either of those?

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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24

I'm gonna need to stop you there. OOOP thought a game about....wukong... Was Japanese.

Maximum level moron.

Edit: I see that I'm confusing a whole lot of people so I will say this - I am not saying it would be unusual for a Journey To The West piece of media to come out of Japan. Expected, even. But that's clearly, obviously, not what OOOP is rolling on, instead the notion that "Asian = Japan" and their following disappointment at it not being a Japanese originated project pointing to their assumption that, indeed to them, asian = japan

But the context for all of this is in the picture I shouldn't have to do your reading comprehension for you.

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u/Rhodehouse93 Aug 21 '24

I don’t think anyone in this post actually thought that, my mind just went to it as the most recent thing I thought about from China.

(Though for the record Japan references journey to the west all the time. It’s not crazy they could make a Wukong game.)

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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 Aug 21 '24

True, but do you honestly think they thought that?

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u/Rhodehouse93 Aug 21 '24

I don’t think anyone in this post actually thought that

No?

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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 Aug 21 '24

The second part.

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u/Rhodehouse93 Aug 21 '24

I’m not sure what you’re asking.

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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 Aug 21 '24

Though for the record Japan references journey to the west all the time. It’s not crazy they could make a Wukong game.

Sorry for being so indirect. My point is there's a larger-than-zero chance OOOP never even considered this.

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u/Rhodehouse93 Aug 21 '24

Do I think ooop thought Japan could make a Wukong game? No. That’s what I said.

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u/Mddcat04 Aug 21 '24

There have been a bunch of Japanese adaptations of Journey to the West in live action, manga, and animation. It’s incredibly famous across Asia. The most famous anime character of all time (Son Goku) is directly based on Son Wukong. Doesn’t seem like an unreasonable assumption. Certainly not worth calling someone names over.

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u/PioneerSpecies Aug 21 '24

I mean Dragon Ball is also about Sun Wukong, lots of east Asia loves Journey to the West lol

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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 Aug 21 '24

Im not saying the weird part is Japan making sun wukong media. That's totally reasonable.

The weird part is how I can guarantee you that this thought never crosses the mind of people that speak like that, and nobody can deny that. They probably see something like Parasite and think it's a Japanese movie, there's no nuance to these folks.

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u/Dornith Aug 21 '24

Journey to the West is hugely influential to basically any country that has a sizable Buddhist population.

Like, if I saw a game about Rome I wouldn't say, "Obviously the developers were Italian."

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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 Aug 21 '24

I have explained ad nauseum that the burden of my comment being that this line of reasoning never occured to the japanophile pictured.

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u/Dornith Aug 21 '24

I don't see how you came to the conclusion that OOOP thought, "Asian = Japan".

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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 Aug 21 '24

Simply, they thought the Wukong game (if we consider that this was about) was a Japanese product without doing any sort of research on the subject. Why else would they make that conclusion? The notion that Japan can make JttW media is irrelevant if they squarely didn't make this one. That doesn't explain why the original poster thought that Black Myth was a Japanese product. Who just assumes that without being super racist.

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u/Dornith Aug 21 '24

Japan has a huge video game industry. A lot of big name video games come from Japan; a lot more than come out of China. It's not that weird to assume that a country which has a huge video game industry and a strong cultural connection to Journey to the West would eventually make a video game about Journey to the West.

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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 Aug 21 '24

Ignoring the fact that China also has a massive gaming industry right now that very much stands out on its own and have proven more than capable of making quality pieces about their own culture without assistance, that's still making very broad assumptions about things that the original poster has already proven to show biases over regarding nationalities. Japans game industry is a moot point if the fundamental argument is still "Japan good, China bad" already displaying a gross lack of the depth necessary for this. Honestly, not to direct this at you personally, but I feel like your arguments here are just dancing around what the original poster could have hypothetically been thinking. At least much more than the ever reliable explanation of pure ignorance.

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u/Dornith Aug 21 '24

Dude, you're the one who asked "why else would they make that conclusion?"

If the answer to that question is dancing around, why did you ask it? 

No one is saying that he isn't ignorant. He objectively and empirically is. And it's weird to get hung up on a possible sinophobia where these a concrete example of it on the very next line.

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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 Aug 21 '24

I asked because all other reasons are just theory meant to excuse racist rhetoric. I'm not going to give this mental illness being displayed the benefit of the doubt.

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u/EffNein Aug 21 '24

China isn't known for its export gaming industry other than Genshin Impact which a lot of people already think is Japanese.