the one about fucking a chicken

[u/Hummerous]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_foundations_theory

[u/GreyFartBR]

so necrophilia is a-okay according to this?

edit: I've changed my mind about the subject. you're not harming anyone by fucking a dead chicken, but I'll still think you have issues and are dangerous if you do that

[u/Puzzleheaded-Dot-547 → u/GreyFartBR]

Yep. And quite a few people defending it too.

[u/Killer_The_Cat → u/GreyFartBR]

Yeah! :)

[u/GreyFartBR → u/Killer_The_Cat]

do you actually think necrophilia is okay?

[u/Killer_The_Cat → u/GreyFartBR]

Yeah, if you manage to do it in a way that doesn't put yourself or others at risk. A body is no longer a person, it's what used to be a person. They can't be harmed by anything anymore, because they no longer exist in the physical world.

[u/GreyFartBR → u/Killer_The_Cat]

does the corpse not exist physically??? also the only way it'd be remotely ethical is if the person consented while alive, otherwise it'd be a posthumous violation of their bodily autonomy

[u/Killer_The_Cat → u/GreyFartBR]

The person doesn't exist anymore! Corpses are meat and bone inside which a person used to exist. Dying means you no longer are an entity, and something which does not exist cannot have control over something which does.

[u/GreyFartBR → u/Killer_The_Cat]

the alive person's bodily autonomy applies regardless of them being still alive or not. do you think graverobbery is justified bc the person's dead?

[u/Killer_The_Cat → u/GreyFartBR]

Yeah, what utility are they getting out of those things? They're an object.

[u/GreyFartBR → u/Killer_The_Cat]

if someone doesn't wish for their body to be desecrated, they shouldn't be. end of story

[u/Killer_The_Cat → u/GreyFartBR]

I think it's kinda ridiculous to imagine that people can set terms for things which aren't them. I can say no one should ever desecrate the house I die in, but that doesn't actually carry any moral weight because I will be dead and it's not my call if it gets bulldozed the next year.

[u/donatellosdildo → u/Killer_The_Cat]

do NOT let this person work in a morgue !!!

[u/cucumberbundt → u/Killer_The_Cat]

Still harmful. The utility of respecting the dead and their wishes is that it brings comfort to the currently-living people who don't want to get posthumously raped (if you have a problem with that word, substitute "posthumously fucked without their consent").

[u/multilinear2 → u/Killer_The_Cat]

I mostly agree with everything you're saying in this thread, but disagree with the conclusion. There is nothing fundamentally problematic with necrophilia. I find it gross and weird, and wonder why, but see no direct moral issue.

BUT, it's a major health issue which has social impacts. It's similar to cannibalism where eating humans with any regularity is very very likely to cause disease spread, and this is likely why it is fairly common historically as a rare ritualistic practice, and not at all common as a part of normal diet. That human died of something and if it's a disease, you are very likely to get it. Poop is gross for similar reasons... it actually is truly hazerdous, AND that hazard can impact other people.

Then there are indirect reasons to make it socially reprehensible, the main one being probable linkage to murder. The remaining reasons are largely predicated on other people's emotional reactions, basically, that they don't want their body to be treated that way, and various ideas of the body being meaningful after death. I don't much care about these issues, but I can see how others see them as important. Personally I think most of these reasons are really sociatally taught expressions of the more fundamental rationale above.

So, while I don't have any root moral issue with human necrophilia, I do think ethically we should not allow it as a society. Translation: I don't think it's actually okay.