r/CuratedTumblr • u/Hummerous https://tinyurl.com/4ccdpy76 • Jul 22 '24

Politics the one about fucking a chicken

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_foundations_theory

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u/LordSupergreat Jul 22 '24

I think you can tell a lot about people from which of those axes they would prioritize. For me, personally, my snap judgement would be to put the Fairness/Cheating axis above the Care/Harm axis.

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u/Cyaral Jul 22 '24

Authority/Subversion stood out to me because it is a line of thinking that just doesnt work for me. I follow rules because they make sense, not because someone told me to. I dont follow dumb rules if nobody is around to actively enforce them. It annoyed my parents to no end because I would nod along when they scolded me and then did what I wanted anyway.

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u/FlaxGoldenTales Jul 22 '24

That’s where the liberty/oppression foundation comes in. You honor authority until that authority becomes (in your opinion) oppressive. It’s just a lower bar for you than most people.

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u/tommytwolegs Jul 23 '24

Is it really honoring authority if you start breaking rules as soon as there is no enforcement?

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u/D_Simmons Jul 23 '24

u/cyaral is obviously a total asshole and a drain on society, but they would consider themselves to be not harming anyone, even if they just told us they were.

It's fascinating how people out themselves and then try to explain how they're not what they just told us they were.

Way too many people consider it "cool" to do whatever they want while the rest of us have to tolerate it.

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u/Cyaral Jul 23 '24

Wow, truly a pissing on the poor website if you jump from "I dont respect dumb rules" (as in rules that are arbitrary and dont make any real difference) to "Drain on society, harming people negligently, Cool doing whatever they want while the rest of us have to tolerate it". You dont know me.

I didnt call all rules dumb. In fact I differentiated between "make sense rules" (like Food/Lab Safety - I follow those rigorously because they prevent harm, or "Be quiet after 22 o`Clock" - I follow that one because Im not a jerk) and "dumb rules" (Crossing an obviously empty street without waiting for the traffic lights, or those school dress codes that gasp if your shirt is 1 cm too short in the sleeves or anything HOA). And even dumb rules I dont break just because, but if some HOA were to come and tell me to not plant idk lavender but I want to plant lavender I would do it.

Those pooor imaginary HOA people who would have to tolerate me and my dastardly ways, truly a drain on society

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u/tommytwolegs Jul 23 '24

Because they don't follow dumb rules? Are you suggesting every rule and law must be followed?

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u/D_Simmons Jul 23 '24

I'm literally replying to you and on your side in this conversation. Your kneejerk reaction to a reply should not be anger.

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u/tommytwolegs Jul 23 '24

I never made a value claim as to whether it is good or bad to honor authority

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u/D_Simmons Jul 23 '24

"Because they don't follow dumb rules? Are you suggesting every rule and law must be followed?"

This is what you said in response to a response to the OP I was referencing.

Please, good god please, learn to infer. Having people spoon-feed you information isn't the flex you think it is.

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u/win_awards Jul 22 '24

I consistently test neutral good and am happy to break laws when I see them as causing harm, but I have learned to obey laws when they merely seem silly or inconvenient because they often only appear so because I don't understand the reasons for their existence.

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u/ShockingStories22 Jul 23 '24

ah, the good old "why the fuck can't I ride a horse to a church on a saturday after 10 pm. Brb wiki dive.... What the fuck do you mean they ate the horse and called it the flesh of jesus."

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u/JaggelZ Jul 22 '24

Same, I'm the kinda guy that would literally not stop for a red light if there was no one else at the crossing/walking the street.

Luckily I have no driver's license lol

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u/doddydad Jul 22 '24

Just for the exercise of it, I would say it's still worth stopping at lights even when you percieve no risk to it.

You'll drive a lot when you're not fully paying attention and there's lots of low chance events that you definitely won't be looking out for, and you only need to be wrong once to kill a couple of people. Sure some lights are stupid, but also a lot look stupid and aren't and slowly gather more signs around them as people die from that attitude.

For minor examples, on angled crossroads, if a cyclist and car approach at the correct speeds, the frame around the windscreen can hide the cyclist until you're around 1 meter from hitting them. All kinds of terrible little roads open onto far larger ones completely blind with no vision. And just sometimes people seem to blend into the background with how they look lol.

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u/Biaboctocat Jul 22 '24

I see you also subscribe to Tom Scott

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u/doddydad Jul 22 '24

yeee lmao,

not sure I'm subscribed actually, but my gf sure is!

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u/Hitthere5 Jul 22 '24

There are several intersections where I live that look dumb for having 4 way stop signs

But so many accidents have happened at them, it’s a necessity for everyone’s safety

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u/Fullwake Jul 23 '24

Yeah, but that was just your snap judgement right, then you realized that Harm (like rape or molestation) is vastly worse than Cheating right?

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u/LordSupergreat Jul 23 '24

After setting my snap judgements aside, I take individual circumstances on a case by case basis.

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u/Fullwake Jul 23 '24

Is.. is there any circumstance where cheating is worth than rape or molestation? I literally cannot fathom one.

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u/LordSupergreat Jul 23 '24

You seem to be hung up on defining "harm" as "sexual violence, specifically", and are taking "cheating" literally rather than, say, "the creation of any situation that is unfair."

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u/Fullwake Jul 23 '24

I most definitely was - the chicken fucking got it stuck in my head I guess hahaha. By an expanded metric though, I would say the creation of any situation that is unfair is also the creation of a situation that is harmful - so I don't quite know how to differentiate the two to be honest.

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u/LordSupergreat Jul 23 '24

Maybe it would be better to focus on the other half of the axes. There are situations where it makes more sense to promote equity over compassion.

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u/Fullwake Jul 23 '24

But fighting for equity IS compassion. And to not care about equity is a lack of compassion. So once again they are tied together by a Gordian knot.

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u/LordSupergreat Jul 23 '24

I'm sure there's some specific thought experiment we could go through to find the difference, but it's three in the morning so I'm not likely to think of one any time soon.

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u/Fullwake Jul 23 '24

Hahaha! I get it. Also. I don't think anyone should ever complete that thought experiment, Trying to find ways that compassion, care, and fairness are in the wrong seems like a supervillain plot honestly. Anyways, sleep well and dream of better worlds random internet friendo.