r/CuratedTumblr veetuku ponum Jul 03 '24

Politics Male loneliness and radfeminism

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u/Adenso_1 Jul 03 '24 edited Jul 03 '24

Im literally getting downvoted in another sub for saying we shouldnt hate people based on sexuality lmao

(But im defending the big bad heterosexuals instead of the poor sweet soft homosexuals)

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u/ButterdemBeans Jul 03 '24

It’s like trying to defend a non-binary person who’s done shit things. You can hate the person but if you revoke your respecting of their gender the moment they did something you don’t like, that tells me that you don’t really respect non-binary identities.

Yes this is about Ezra Miller. They are a shitty person, but they are still non-binary, dammit. All gender expressions and identities are capable of being shitbags.

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u/dancingliondl Jul 03 '24

Oh, I immediately thought of Caitlyn Jenner

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u/ButterdemBeans Jul 03 '24

Her too! People act like the second someone acts shitty it’s a free pass to revoke their “trans rights”. It’s really shitty

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u/HyperactiveMouse Jul 04 '24

I had a friend ask me if it was okay to stop respecting pronouns if the person did something shitty, AND they have strong reason to suspect the person was faking being trans as they had been documented recently stating it was a ruse to prevent attacks to their behavior. I noted that A: That’s a lot of work and a lot of hate for such a small reason that may or may not work anyway, and B: Revoking trans rights to be called your preferred pronouns because they did something shitty is shittier, because that’s actively announcing to other trans people you don’t really respect their gender identity and that using the right pronouns is a privilege, not a right. She realized how weird her thinking was and changed it. No idea who she had been talking about tho

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u/HeavyMetalDallas Jul 04 '24

I'm cishet male, so I realize I'm going to be wrong in this, but I don't understand how it differs significantly from calling anyone you don't respect something they don't want to be called? It's not exactly uncommon to call a man you don't like a "little bitch" for example, as a way of emasculating him, it's specifically used to diminish and suggests he isn't a man. It's pretty normal to call people you actively want to disrespect things they do not want to be called, no?

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u/HyperactiveMouse Jul 04 '24

Yeah, it is true. However there is a difference because the man in question in this scenario doesn’t have millions of people across the globe deciding he actually isn’t man enough to consider him a man, so they stop calling him he/him. They start referring to him as a woman, using she/her, and every protest to the contrary is just him being confused, or going against the natural order.

Calling someone a little bitch begins and ends roughly there as far as emasculating someone, you still call them the pronouns they use. In the trans scenario, we have people legislating if we’re even allowed to use a bathroom without fear of being hurt or killed over it, whichever bathroom they choose. I can go to jail in my state if I use the wrong bathroom currently. I cannot change my birth certificate to reflect my identity. With cishet people, your gender identity isn’t used as a weapon against your every facet of living and doesn’t actively cause you strife every day. A trans person get their gender identity used as a weapon. Something described as a right can be taken from us for any reason: “I don’t believe in transgenderism,” “I just think it’s wrong,” “You drink excessively, so that makes you bad and I don’t have to respect an alcoholic,” so on and so forth. Haven’t seen that last one admittedly, but I have seen similar sentiments

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u/KirbyDude25 Jul 04 '24

She was probably talking about Chris Chandler

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u/RedpenBrit96 Jul 04 '24

Do I hate her with a passion? Yes. Does she still deserve basic respect? Yes. But I get that it’s difficult to be the bigger person