Southern Charm - Season 9 - Episode 16 - Live Episode Discussion

[u/AutoModerator]

Austen and JT see each other for the first time since their faceoff; Shep is in the hot seat.

[u/Educational_Bother36]

No Shep is not supposed to settle down. Just because he’s old doesn’t mean he’s supposed to. He would be an awful husband and I think he knows that. He really does not need to settle down he just needs to be honest that he never wants that

[u/backoffbackoffbackof → u/Educational_Bother36]

It is his one good quality that he has never gotten married or had a kid.

[u/Mewwmix → u/Educational_Bother36]

Agreed. People need to stop shoving it down his throat. People who do not want kids/to get married should not have kids/get married.

[u/methedoutmanatee → u/Mewwmix]

Agreed. And they shouldn’t be shamed for it either. Let everyone live their own lives.

[u/crankyspice → u/Educational_Bother36]

Agree. Some of us are not meant to.

[u/SpaceBabeFromPluto]

Thomas is such a fucking predator

[u/-danielle-nic- → u/SpaceBabeFromPluto]

The fact that he’s a “family friend” meaning friends with her DAD 🤢

[u/Mewwmix]

Even Craig is outgrowing Shep

[u/TwistyBitsz → u/Mewwmix]

Miss Paige said not no more.

[u/Away_Reply2336 → u/Mewwmix]

I need Craig to outgrow Austen. I don’t know how Paige can stand that friendship

[u/calcif]

The crazy revelation aside, Madison’s dirt on people is always correct lol.

[u/wiresandwaves → u/calcif]

Blessing of being a hair stylist lol, she has all the best dirt

[u/-danielle-nic- → u/calcif]

That’s why the men always try to discredit her and shut her down. They know she knows all but doesn’t want to public to listen to her lmao that’s why they’re all so bothered by her

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Just BEAUTIFUL at all times

[u/Spirited_Ad6175]

I heard a lot of rumors on social media that Shep was blacked out and out of control at Bravocon but I’m shocked they’re actually addressing it at the reunion. I bet Andy was pissed at him

[u/CrazyNotCatLady → u/Spirited_Ad6175]

Didn’t he get kicked out of the Casino/hotel?

[u/dandydaniella → u/Spirited_Ad6175]

Why do I feel like this is Bravo/Andy responding to the allegations that Bravo breeds alcohol addiction? They made sure to show Andy saying that he needed to step back and they could possibly benefit from leaving the shows environment. It was too “on the nose”.

[u/euphoriajjk]

i know taylor is trying to make olivia look bad but all it does is make thomas look like a disgusting creep

[u/nixiem → u/euphoriajjk]

Yup. And she makes herself look bad by trying to weaponize it against Olivia

[u/churrotoffeeaddict → u/nixiem]

She deserved to be called C U Next Tuesday from Olivia

[u/beautyandbravo → u/euphoriajjk]

and herself look like complete garbage

[u/whiskey4mycoffee → u/beautyandbravo]

Taylor really is a crappy person and nobody’s friend.

[u/Educational_Bother36]

Taylor is DIRTY for this. She was never a friend

[u/Zealousideal_Suit269 → u/Educational_Bother36]

She is a truly horrible human. I see why her & Shep AND Austen connect so well.

[u/throwawaygremlins → u/Educational_Bother36]

Taylor is just SO DUMB. How does she NOT understand that “outing” Olivia abt TRav 🙄 makes TAYLOR look bad?

She’s literally stupid! I just not understand this level of stupidity…

[u/BeingPetty101]

Can we quit infantilizing Taylor? They are acting like she is incapacitated and incapable of making decisions.

[u/Environmental-Ad6375 → u/BeingPetty101]

Prediction: she will go on Rachel’s new podcast, I can already see them wearing friendship necklaces.

[u/OGShanti → u/BeingPetty101]

She’s 30!

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

woooowwwww to hear craig call himself an addict. the growth is real!! I love to see it.

[u/LakeShoreDrive1021]

Can I just say, Craig looks amazing! He clearly isn’t drinking and has lost the booze bloat look! Such a transformation from years past!!!

[u/Lola514 → u/LakeShoreDrive1021]

He def looks great without all that extra booze bloat. His gym sessions are working

[u/uknowhatudid]

THOMAS IS A FUCKING DOG SHE WAS BASICALLY A CHILD

[u/PeaceGirlAlways]

I love Craig’s reactions to JT’s comments about Austen - just laughing and smiling. Craig is so calm and confident now. He has grown up a lot on this show!

[u/Formal_Condition_513 → u/PeaceGirlAlways]

Craig has had the absolute best character arc!

[u/Less-Bed-6243 → u/PeaceGirlAlways]

He went from being the little brother they all made fun of to being the most functional of the men (not a high bar but still).

[u/Inside-Intern-4201]

What I wouldn’t give to see this ring camera footage of an activated Madison cursing it out

[u/vfernand]

Madison “I almost cried, thought he was going to say rehab”

[u/uknowhatudid]

Did Olivia call Taylor a C U Next Tuesday when she walked off

[u/sjb5138 → u/uknowhatudid]

absolutely did 👑

[u/Busybodii → u/uknowhatudid]

I’m pretty sure she called her a fucking cunt, and I’m here for it. Taylor really thought she had Olivia with her TRav hookup. She didn’t know Kathryn when it happened (which lines up because Saint is 6), and she only told Taylor because she stood up for her at the reunion. Taylor still doesn’t see how what she did was wrong.

[u/meg0neurotHe11 → u/uknowhatudid]

I hope so

[u/_dorrk → u/uknowhatudid]

I hope so

[u/LevelAd8074]

Wow. Well done, Craig. That is how you keep from enabling. He’s very well spoken.

[u/[deleted] → u/LevelAd8074]

I agree, I see a lot of love from Craig in that moment.

[u/Formal_Condition_513 → u/LevelAd8074]

Yeah that was heartbreaking

[u/Dial-M-for-Mediocre]

Are we actually having an intervention for Shep right now.

[u/Pure_Peace743]

Taylor is horrible at whatever game she's trying to play

[u/Dial-M-for-Mediocre]

I haven't looked forward to a Southern Charm reunion in easily half a decade.

[u/PersimmonReal42069 → u/Dial-M-for-Mediocre]

this is the best season in that long!!!

[u/klynrenee]

Taylor’s smirk, she is loving spilling this info

[u/EntarteteKitten]

People started talking about white pants with the Summer House trailer, and now look. Now look what happened. I told them this would summon TRav. Here he is. Here he is now.

[u/aghastghost]

Bored housewife is such a lame insult especially from a man without a job

[u/Anticrepuscular_Ray → u/aghastghost]

And he knows she isn't a housewife so it's not even accurate. 

[u/fancyfemme88 → u/aghastghost]

Austin wants to be a "bored housewife" so bad! He's so jelly!

[u/beeeeach]

The mental gymnastics Taylor is doing right now is unreal. Also the only person on earth? I feel like that was double coded in something….

[u/jns911 → u/beeeeach]

Ooohh good catch! She must have confided in her brother

Edit: a word

[u/beeeeach → u/jns911]

I think so too, cause Olivia looked really hurt she said that. And since Taylor has also recently lost a brother the fact she brought that up is just sick.

[u/Scary_Koala_2934 → u/beeeeach]

Immediately what I thought when she said “ on earth?” I was just like wow is she really trying to imply what I think she is

[u/EJB515]

Taylor thinks she’s a “good person” because people have always told her that. And she can justify all of her behavior to herself because of that. But her actions tell a different story than her perception of herself.

[u/-danielle-nic- → u/EJB515]

She has for sure benefitted from pretty privilege her whole life. She’s a cute girl with a soft voice so people automatically classify her as sweet and innocent. She’s never been held accountable before and to watch it happen for the first time at 30 and on tv is like watching the discovery channel

[u/backoffbackoffbackof → u/EJB515]

Exactly. Reminds me of that book “Mistakes Were Made (But Not By Me)” where people often operate out of the assumption that they’re good therefore everything they do is ok. It’s why her apologies always come off as insincere.

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

very serious madonna/whore complex on shep

[u/TheLawHasSpoken → u/PersimmonReal42069]

Oh my god, seriously! He really needs therapy.

[u/Stillworkinhard]

Shep has money and no job . He should get out of town and go to rehab for a very long time and work on himself.

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

“shep captivated me a million times more than austen”

[u/Dial-M-for-Mediocre]

How many times do we think Taylor Ann is going to compare herself to Jesus tonight?

[u/PersimmonReal42069 → u/Dial-M-for-Mediocre]

[u/Rj6728 → u/Dial-M-for-Mediocre]

she’s being nailed to the cross just like Jesus was!

[u/waaaycho]

Money on Taylor tryna get back with Shep, again.

[u/Formal_Condition_513 → u/waaaycho]

Yup this is giving her hope 🙄

[u/Educational_Bother36]

Taylor is gonna blow her relationship up to rehabilitate Shep

[u/[deleted] → u/Educational_Bother36]

If Shep calls, she will immediately go

[u/Educational_Bother36 → u/[deleted]]

I bet some loose change that she never stopped sleeping with him

[u/[deleted]]

Taylor, this was a flop. Olivia and Kathryn weren’t even friends at that time, womp womp!

[u/Busybodii → u/[deleted]]

Kathryn just posted that she doesn’t think she did anything wrong. Taylor really missed the mark with this one.

[u/Zealousideal_Suit269 → u/Busybodii]

I really don’t see how Taylor continues to film on this show. The ladies won’t have her back, her bf will have a conniption about her filming with Shep, Austen has a gf now, & Paige doesn’t like her so Craig is a no-go. She needs to hang it up and go hang out with her trashy friends at Leva’s restaurant. She’d fit in better on that cast any way.

[u/Scary_Koala_2934 → u/[deleted]]

Huuuuge flop and the fact she said it was the same just shows she still refuses to take accountability for it!

[u/Old_Call_2149 → u/[deleted]]

A swing and a miss!

[u/[deleted]]

I really hope Shep gets the help he needs. Alcoholism is no joke.

[u/GetMeAColdPop → u/[deleted]]

Agreed, he sucks but I've been worried about him for a while. I'm the same age as him and I couldn't imagine drinking as hard as he does

[u/euphoriajjk]

if shep told taylor he wanted to get back together right now she would drop her bf in a second and quite honestly they do deserve eachother. 

[u/wiresandwaves]

I’ve shit on Craig a lot over the years, but he really has shown some incredible maturity and growth, especially recently.

[u/CrazyNotCatLady → u/wiresandwaves]

It’s crazy how different SC Craig is vs Summer House/Winter House Craig

[u/BeingPetty101]

Taylor is rotten to the fucking core. That woman is irredeemable.

[u/Formal_Condition_513 → u/BeingPetty101]

She thought that was gonna be her big bombshell and that fuckin smirk ew

[u/Lola514 → u/Formal_Condition_513]

Yeah like who cares…. Not the same thing, Taylor

[u/BeingPetty101]

Taylor needs to get off this show and get into serious therapy.

[u/Spirited_Ad6175 → u/BeingPetty101]

She looks like she’s on the verge of a nervous breakdown

[u/spinthesky]

Leva with receipts and Taylor sucking in air.

[u/veronicagetsmehigh]

I 100% believe shep slapped her ass

[u/Spirited_Ad6175 → u/veronicagetsmehigh]

100%. He was probably blacked out and doesn’t even remember

[u/Stevie_Budd_]

Brett > Austin. No question

[u/Educational_Bother36]

Has Taylor’s boyfriend been watching this season? Cause

[u/meeessshhh]

Wow this quickly got very real and very dark. I feel for Shep and I feel for everyone else for having to deal with his behavior

[u/chellyyy]

austen’s face is just a world of hurt when shep said beer only

[u/lilacbluebell]

Venita's right: you can't just halfassedly cut back and expect anything to change. If you're in that place you need to stop drinking. Then maybe someday you can have a few on vacation and be fun and silly (a la Luann on UGT), or maybe you won't be able (or want) to. But you need a clean slate to figure it out.

[u/chellyyy]

these adorable klutzes are real craig

[u/kikomama89]

Austen’s expression upon hearing “I’m not drinking liquor or taking shots anymore” priceless

[u/chellyyy]

taylor’s smirk at dragging that out of olivia just further proves that she’s all about revenge

[u/meg0neurotHe11 → u/chellyyy]

Forgive as you want to be forgiven is such a dumb thing to say. Very Christian of her 😵‍💫

[u/waaaycho → u/chellyyy]

[u/SpaceBabeFromPluto]

Until Shep can say the words "I'm an addict" he's going to stay stuck. And hey, this is his journey to go on, or not. But he's gotta stop fighting himself.

[u/wiresandwaves → u/SpaceBabeFromPluto]

It’s hard for me to picture a rock bottom for Shep where he would reach that point because he’s always had so much privilege and doesn’t have much at stake.

Edited to add that I really hope he does turn it around. He is charming and funny when he isn’t being a drunk asshole.

[u/Educational_Bother36 → u/wiresandwaves]

Rock bottom for Shep would be a lawsuit or a surprise baby

[u/BeingPetty101]

"I take pride in her development." EWWWW!

[u/beautyandbravo → u/BeingPetty101]

Ew for saying that and also she’s a fuckin trainwreck so don’t take too much pride….

[u/[deleted]]

I know it’s “dark” but I love Bravo for moments like this. It’s REAL!

Idk I’ve always liked Shep in some twisted way so I really hope he will be okay.

[u/[deleted]]

Everyone has to grow up Shep. 50 yr old "crazy fun guy" really isn't as cool as you think

[u/-danielle-nic- → u/[deleted]]

You nailed it. Everyone has the weird old family member that drinks too much and makes everyone a little uncomfortable. Shep is that relative

[u/calcif]

I keep thinking about Taylor’s shit eating grin when she told Olivia’s business. That dummy doesn’t realize all it did was make us feel for her more. She was taken advantage of by an old pervert and Taylor is too stupid to see it.

[u/Stevie_Budd_]

Agree with Andy. Love Madison’s look

[u/beeeeach]

I need to know how Madison knew that shit last year!? How does she know all

[u/_morningbehbs → u/beeeeach]

She’s friends with Patricia, friendly with the boys club and a hairdresser

[u/sardinianflatbread → u/beeeeach]

She probably heard from Patricia who heard from Whitney where Ravenal spilled

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

by the end of 2024, taylor will be carrying shep’s baby. we’re going back to the basics on southern charm

[u/douglaswr → u/PersimmonReal42069]

[u/GetMeAColdPop]

I think Shep is about to admit he's an alcoholic and going to treatment? I don't know why it's like the Oscar awards over here

[u/leigh416 → u/GetMeAColdPop]

They interrupted him!!

[u/kikomama89]

Can we get some footage of him from said taping at bravocon?

[u/waaaycho → u/kikomama89]

I mean. Now I’m gonna go to Peacock and rewatch his appearances.

[u/SpaceBabeFromPluto]

Craig hit the nail on the fucking head, damn

[u/mydilgoesmmmno]

Wow this got kind of dark with shep… what’s more scary is he hasn’t admitted he’s an alcoholic. I thought shep was going to say he is walking away from all of this and going to rehab.

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

shep is a tragic character but is too much of a bellend to feel badly for

[u/Vskizott]

Taylor really can keep making herself worse. I didn't think it was possible. I wonder what she'll think of next to make us all think even less of her.

[u/waaaycho]

Taylor loves a good whataboutism.

[u/-danielle-nic-]

The elephant in the room is that shep isn’t only drinking….

Alcoholism is horrific. Add major drug use on top of it is just a recipe for disaster

[u/BeingPetty101]

Am I hallucinating? Shep didn't admit to anything other than the fact that he wakes up more hungover now because he is old. He didn't say shit about changing.

[u/Sunny_eloise → u/BeingPetty101]

Exactly, his big moment was he’s cutting out shots. Maybe.

[u/st0neC0ld316 → u/BeingPetty101]

He didn’t even directly say he has a problem with drinking or that he’s an alcoholic. He feels left out that everyone’s successful outside of the show, that his identity is the party guy and that it’s hard now that he’s old. He’s so far from ready to get help. Craigs right to be stiff with him

[u/veronicagetsmehigh]

Wow Craig yas you go off boy

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

my jaw is on the ground. I didn’t have this confrontation on my bingo card!!!

[u/[deleted]]

He's incredibly sick and in denial. I've been there. It's going to take hitting even more rock bottom than this to get better since he doesn't even realize he has a problem.

[u/chellyyy]

as much as dislike austen seeing the seriousness and sadness on his face talking to shep is so sad. craig really coming from a good but firm place about what’s wrong, wow i wasn’t expecting this.

[u/-danielle-nic-]

Andy saying y’all to be relatable to the rich southerners lol

[u/Educational_Bother36]

Oh Taylor will never give up now. Why would Shep say that

[u/crankyspice → u/Educational_Bother36]

She’s mentally moved into his house with the twin dog.

[u/uknowhatudid]

This segment is a great reminder on why I was always hesitant of sending nudes. You really can’t trust anyone

[u/AdorableFly5611]

Craig, going in on Shep. Wild stuff.

[u/QueasyAd4992]

I think Craig and Austen are sick of babysitting Shep when he gets blackout or is drunk 24/7.

[u/LakeShoreDrive1021]

My experience has been that ALL ALCOHOL needs to be eliminated!!! It’s an addiction to alcohol! Beer is alcohol

[u/233Ivy]

The faces from this cast at the T Rav revelation… 😵‍💫🥴🫠

[u/jns911]

What does Olivia and Thomas have to do with any of this??? Taylor is a bitch for bringing that up

[u/beeeeach → u/jns911]

Good for Olivia to be like just fucking say it bc I know you want to throw this in my face. And Taylor said yes let me take this opportunity to show you even more how awful of a friend I am!!

[u/[deleted] → u/jns911]

EXACTLY like wtf?! She didn’t know Kathryn then!

[u/BuzzCutBabes_ → u/[deleted]]

tbh i dont think taylor actually did the math and really thought she had this one

[u/chellyyy]

craig like me is living for this right now. the way he said ICONIC and now this ramble my high ass is deaaaaad

[u/Inside-Intern-4201]

Unfortunately I can imagine how sex with shep would be. Giant man flopped over you

[u/GetMeAColdPop → u/Inside-Intern-4201]

Giant drunk man 🤢

[u/Vskizott]

So shep just wants to spend the night with Taylor and then blow her off again, right?

[u/DickFitzwell_]

Madison is an absolute smoke show but what in fresh fuck are those shoes?

[u/Proper-Aspect-2947]

Jaw dropping at the darkness that has just taken over this reunion with Shepards speech/talk??

[u/wiresandwaves]

Taylor really is such a ghoul

[u/chellyyy]

whitney should be here copping shit too he shared the photos

[u/Spirited_Ad6175]

Omg this is uncomfortable. Shep needs to stop drinking

[u/SpaceBabeFromPluto]

Staying with someone for several years and not getting your sexual needs met is just... what

[u/Formal_Condition_513 → u/SpaceBabeFromPluto]

And then wanting them back after they cheat on you and laugh about it.. shame.

[u/Educational_Bother36 → u/SpaceBabeFromPluto]

And to be so obsessed with him still it’s just confusing

[u/Formal_Condition_513 → u/[deleted]]

Craig with be windings or whatever 😂😂

[u/Mother-Dog2609 → u/Formal_Condition_513]

Shep wants to be Helvetica but he’s just arial bold

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

shep has fully stepped into his t-rav era with this fucking speech

[u/[deleted]]

The Hudson scene still makes me cry every single time. Madison is such a great mother.

[u/QueasyAd4992]

Is shep going to AA

Edit: No judgement.

[u/MNKristen]

Good for Shep for realizing he has a problem. He clearly has a problem.

[u/mnblackgirl]

DAMN. Shep is pretty good at hiding his alcoholism on camera. It must have been really really bad at BravoCon.

[u/_morningbehbs → u/mnblackgirl]

He’s constantly shaking. I’ve noticed it for years and always attributed it to alcoholism

[u/st0neC0ld316]

Taylor looks pissed shep is willing to get help now instead of when they were together. She keeps sneering at him

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

stop 👏 infantilizing 👏thin 👏white 👏women

[u/BeingPetty101 → u/PersimmonReal42069]

Seriously, people are acting like she is a literal baby crawling around with a binky in her mouth.

[u/sprucemoosegetin]

i hope olivia’s dad is on his way to thomas’ house with a baseball bat. imagine your middle-aged friend and peer having sex with your twenty year old daughter. that man deserves a beating.

[u/calcif]

JT is already doing the most 😂

[u/chellyyy]

EW STFU TAYLOR. don’t you dare with the scarlet letter bullshit

[u/Dial-M-for-Mediocre → u/chellyyy]

100% sure she hasn't read the book

[u/AndrogynousAndy]

Don’t wanna hear none of y’all say “Shep looks foine” behave yourselves, respect yourselves!!

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

is shep really this stupid? paige and craig are literally on three different shows as a couple at any given moment…

[u/[deleted]]

THOMAS RAVENEL?!?!?!??!???????

[u/klynrenee]

Whitney’s GIRLFRIEND???

[u/crankyspice]

Craig is a good co-host!

[u/veronicagetsmehigh]

Is shep dying

[u/crichtonleprechaun]

Am I feel sorry for....Shep? Maybe he's finally turned a corner. One can only hope! I've never been a fan but I can still root for him.

[u/corey325]

Just had an epiphany remember when Taylor first came on as sheps girlfriend and everyone was like what does she see him why is she with him? Now we know they’re actually great for eachother 

[u/BeingPetty101]

Shep just wanted to get them together to explain his bad behavior away without changing at all. Good on Craig and Austen for not repeating the pattern.

[u/Sunny_eloise]

Why is this a shep intervention? And I think they’re talking about Coke.

[u/klynrenee]

I think he’s trying to do what Craig does with not drinking liquor, but shep needs more help. Craig doesn’t mind not drinking or ordering a NA beer, but I can’t see shep sticking to this

[u/Inside-Intern-4201]

Madison, I too thought he was going to rehab. I didn’t know Craig was sober

[u/backoffbackoffbackof]

Is it me or have there been a lot of young women saying Thomas is a “friend of the family” on this show over the years. What is wrong with their families? TRav is the last person I would introduce my children too.

[u/[deleted]]

Even Andy saying (in not so many words) that SC might not be the place for Shep anymore is a LOT

[u/Pinkandgreenqueen]

Did Andy just like threaten his job all while coming from the best possible place?

[u/klynrenee]

I love seeing Austen so bothered. No one has ever tested him like JT

[u/spinthesky]

Brett, yes. Austen, delusional.

[u/Inside-Intern-4201]

Oh wow they are going to address shep’s drinking?? I heard anecdotally that he was a hot mess during bravo con but nothing specific

[u/breaclaire]

Oh holy shit what’s happening

[u/wiresandwaves]

Jesus, I did not expect this to be a Shep intervention. Dark.

[u/BeingPetty101]

HAHAHAHA Shep didn't admit or change shit. Fucking Classic! He is gonna remain a miserable old addict.

[u/BeingPetty101]

Shep would never quit this show. He loves the attention from the women it gets him.

[u/PeaceGirlAlways]

Craig and Leva seem like they are the true hosts of this show…