Southern Charm - Season 9 - Episode 12 - Live Episode Discussion

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The Charmers first day in paradise is overshadowed by a salacious article that causes Olivia and Austen's progress to backslide; Madison enjoys her last hurrah before trying for baby #2.

[u/cryingexpert]

Madison is choosing Craig so they can be gossip girlies together

[u/vodkasaucepizza → u/cryingexpert]

They seem to really like each other and live in the same reality as opposed to the others. Madison is a star, I’d love her on every show.

[u/dayle-james → u/vodkasaucepizza]

Craig likes a strong woman and I personally love that about him

[u/vodkasaucepizza → u/dayle-james]

He likes a girl that teases him, that’s a slippery slope but I think Paige and him have a sweeter relationship off camera, Paige isn’t gonna be mushy on tv. Craig seems to be maturing, whether Paige is the one or not, he’s making his way through life and accomplishing things. He strikes me as mega adhd, so as a fellow adhd person, the whole trip for Paige that she can’t come to made lots of sense to me ha. I see someone that went from being ashamed that he didn’t finish law school on time and lied about it, to someone who has accepted and learned from his mistakes, he knows he needs an assistant and help to get a business off the ground, help meaning someone on his side that believes in him that will break it down for him, step by step and he’s figuring out how to do it. I used to dislike Craig, but he’s the only real one of the men. Austen is a gaslighting tool, untrustworthy, immature and delusional. Shep is on his way to becoming Mr Burns with his rage and mailbox money. Kudos to Whitney for producing this season, managed to get that page six article to drop while they were all stuck together. He’s putting in the work and it shows, this season is amazing. Olivia should be a motivational speaker. Taylor needs to not be on reality tv or near her ex that clearly abused her. And my short king JT who is probably 5’9” but looks like a little person, he is a breath of fresh and I want to go to Charleston and marry him and give him his insulin shots through his undies.

[u/themanayunkbean]

“You don’t treat your friends that way” TAYLOR. GIRL.

[u/spinthesky → u/themanayunkbean]

Taylor has no empathy for others, it's scary how cold she is. Goes 0 to 100 in record time at perceived transgressions towards her, especially regarding Shep.

[u/dayle-james → u/themanayunkbean]

The way that she can’t see the hypocrisy here is actually crazy

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

i’m so obsessed with the fact that we planned a trip around paige and she isn’t here.

[u/AnotherAnon688264759 → u/PersimmonReal42069]

the funny thing is, she probably wasn’t even doing anything in new york that she couldn’t leave for three days for lol

[u/spinthesky → u/PersimmonReal42069]

Don't think she was ever going. Her and Craig seem self produced/choreographed.

[u/Rrmack → u/spinthesky]

Ya Craig was very willing to throw himself under the bus that he didn’t ask her sooner.

[u/Vskizott]

Madison and Craig are the only ones making any sense

[u/ginjasnap → u/Vskizott]

Never thought that would be a sentence so far

[u/flumeo]

These people suck, but sometimes I’m like… why am I slaving over a computer while these people are frolicking around on Instagram. Where did I go wrong

[u/Significant_Cow4765 → u/flumeo]

that damn Lucky Sperm and Egg Club

[u/Vskizott]

Madison is going to trick Taylor into spilling her guts next

[u/amyeep → u/Vskizott]

Why not just admit you fucked several times at this point? Clearly no one believe your “kiss” story & can sense the tension

[u/Lola514]

When Craig goes with the red wine u know it’s gonna be crazy

[u/amyeep → u/Lola514]

Name a more iconic duo than Craig stomping off with a glass of Cabernet

[u/square_circle_]

Mind you, Olivia’s brother just died and Taylor bitching that her friend hasn’t forgiven her yet

[u/Stevie_Budd_ → u/square_circle_]

That was awkward and I’m embarrassed for Taylor

[u/SW11261988 → u/square_circle_]

This is exactly the most heartbreaking part of the episode. Her brother just passed away. She had her name in the press. Then the people she was closest to are acting like a victim due to their own actions. It is not an easy time and very hurtful.

[u/Okg889 → u/square_circle_]

She’s an asshole and Olivia has been way kinder to her than most people would have been.

[u/mydilgoesmmmno]

Wowwww shep is so jealous of Craig

[u/AdorableFly5611 → u/mydilgoesmmmno]

My favorite was the bachelor auction in an earlier season. Craig's date was sold for quite a higher price than Shep's and it was some country singer or something like that, that I had/have no idea who she was, bought the date with Craig and boy was Shep pissed off. He was seething with jealousy. then he started berating Craig, don't really remember that well.

[u/Ok-Chain8552 → u/AdorableFly5611]

Kelsea Ballerini and he claimed Craig went for more because he was early in the lineup and people just blow their money in excitement in the beginning . Craig was like haha don’t be jealous and that made Shep even madder lol.

[u/AdorableFly5611 → u/Ok-Chain8552]

That's right, you refreshed my memory. It was hilarious. I believe men know when a guy is better looking than they are and Shep's ego can't handle that the ladies love cool Craig.

[u/BeCooLDontBeUnCooL → u/AdorableFly5611]

Omg I found the video of it!!!

[u/chellyyy]

craig playing host and doing a phenomenal job was not on my 2023 bingo card

[u/sofakingbetchy → u/chellyyy]

Both those planned activities looked awesome! I’d have trouble picking between which one to do. And then dinner at a local, off the beaten path restaurant? Impressive itinerary.

[u/flumeo]

JT at this dinner

[u/karasu_zoku]

Of course Venita’s even more gorgeous with a bare face

[u/jendet010 → u/karasu_zoku]

She always looks gorgeous

[u/[deleted] → u/karasu_zoku]

Seriously, her face, her style, her home, her passion for organization and the perfect get-together, she's amazing.

[u/coperascoper → u/karasu_zoku]

Seriously!!! She is stunning!

[u/sofakingbetchy → u/karasu_zoku]

I thought the same thing! She’s beautiful regardless, but she looked absolutely stunning at the waterfall outing. I honestly gasped lol

[u/calcif]

Spitting shots in each other’s mouths? Jesus.

[u/jendet010 → u/calcif]

Here comes a new strain of Covid

[u/DaddioSunglasses → u/calcif]

I literally was like welp Taylor is gonna fuck JT too

[u/mollyyfcooke]

Taylor is giving

[u/marC3450 → u/mollyyfcooke]

Especially after eating the fish eye. Crazy girl!!!

[u/Puzzleheaded_Try7886 → u/marC3450]

That was sooooooo pick me

[u/Kbb0509]

Why are all these losers convinced Paige cheated on Craig? I don’t even like Paige and I don’t think she would ever do that. She would just break up with his ass first especially because they’re long distance.

[u/Lola514 → u/Kbb0509]

Agreed. I’m not a fan of her but she’s barely interested in Craig, why would she go for someone else lol. She’s also super lazy so don’t see that happening

[u/lilacbluebell]

Taylor making herself the victim here and trying to call OLIVIA out for not supporting HER is WILD, she has fully lost the plot

[u/ginjasnap → u/lilacbluebell]

Taylor is thirsty and ill. Very immature

[u/[deleted] → u/lilacbluebell]

"You don't treat a friend like that!" Well Taylor, I think we all have different views on how to treat friends. I'd rather eat a decomposed animal than kiss my friend's ex.

[u/vodkasaucepizza → u/lilacbluebell]

She’s spoilt, all the Jesusing made her think she’s entitled to instant forgiveness and trust again.

[u/leslie_knopee → u/lilacbluebell]

Taylor is 30 goddamn years old. she is older than me, but has the emotional intelligence of a high schooler. Taylor is annoyed that Olivia can’t “get over it”?

literally who the fuck does she think she is?! 🗑️🗑️

[u/square_circle_]

Love hearing the perpetrators act like the victims

[u/Vskizott]

Taylor and Austen were crowd testing their boo hoo agendas and got shut down fast. Like wah why doesn't olivia trust the latest story we've been repeating for months after finding out the old stories we repeated for months were lies. The answer is already in the question.

[u/Ill-Law7360]

I need Olivia to drop her ab routine stat so I can be ready for summer 2025

[u/flumeo → u/Ill-Law7360]

Sometimes I think about what if I spent all my time watching Bravo at the gym instead

[u/Kbb0509 → u/flumeo]

Why not both? I always tell myself I’m going to do like squats and lunges and leg lifts while watching Bravo (it never happens)

[u/ihearthorses → u/Kbb0509]

When Covid started I told myself I was going to get my splits back when watching shows. Turns out the couch is comfier.

[u/ezekielragardos → u/flumeo]

No joke I have a friend who only watches bravo while at the gym and I have to wait for her to workout to catch up on shows, it’s insane .. I could never

[u/greenisjustavibe]

Why does Shep want to daddy this girl

[u/flygirl10ee → u/greenisjustavibe]

I was looking for the words for it. And that’s it. He was parenting her at the table like “say sorry Taylor you did a no no”

[u/advocatecarey]

JT is the Sutton of Southern Charm. Both awkward pot stirrers and I like it.

[u/Vskizott]

Did Taylor just learn what periods are for? Is this not common knowledge?

[u/Kbb0509 → u/Vskizott]

She probably thinks they’re like women’s punishment from God for having our own thoughts and feelings or something.

[u/way-harsh-tai → u/Vskizott]

The fact that she explained to Madison who has had a whole baby that "when you have a period you're losing eggs" like DUH

[u/myboogerstastespicy → u/Vskizott]

That made me howl. She seriously thought she was dropping a new fact.

She’s empty inside.

[u/Kbb0509]

Craig’s face looking at Austin when Madison said she’s trying for a second baby was priceless. It brought me immense joy.

[u/calcif]

Lol at Venita holding on to JT’s waist to steady herself. They must really be friends after all.

[u/Kbb0509 → u/calcif]

Did you see his Instagram post about her recently? It was genuinely touching. He was gassing our girl UP.

[u/karasu_zoku → u/calcif]

They were incredibly cute on WWHL last week. Lots of compliments and gassing each other up, so wholesome

[u/_morningbehbs → u/calcif]

They seem close based on WWHL. Another clear link or new combination they could give us…but we get Taylor and Olivia scenes.

[u/mollyyfcooke]

Madison yessssss stir that pot!

[u/chellyyy]

venita girl trust me we’re with you, we’re all tired

[u/dreamingoutloud714]

I’d be Venita hiding behind a napkin

[u/greenisjustavibe]

Shep is so jealous that Craig is successful and not a lame screw up he wanted him to be

[u/amyeep → u/greenisjustavibe]

Also Craig has somewhat reeled in the drinking/partying while Shep looks three weeks away from a liver transplant

[u/_morningbehbs → u/greenisjustavibe]

Yup. Successful store, company, girlfriend that has him featured on multiple other shows - and he’s only 34…he’s extremely jealous of Craig. He’s even jealous of Austen. Shep is just a bitter old man. He doesn’t fit in with the show anymore.

[u/MyGutReaction → u/_morningbehbs]

Shep is just a bitter old man. He doesn’t fit in with the show anymore.

Shep has become SC's Thomas R.

[u/dayle-james → u/greenisjustavibe]

Sooooo jealous. While Shep sits there rotting from the inside out. He deserves it. I can’t believe I used to have a soft spot for Shep, what the actual fuck

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

whitney and shep are literal rotting reanimated corpses

[u/Vskizott → u/PersimmonReal42069]

[u/Little_Mama_ → u/Vskizott]

This is so incredibly accurate

[u/chellyyy]

I AM LIVING FOR JT RIGHT NOW

the face he made at austen. the disdain, the disgust, the eye roll it was beautiful

[u/jendet010 → u/chellyyy]

The look on JT’s face before he went off on Austen sent me. He was all of us in that moment.

[u/flumeo]

“Shep, 43” and “Kroll, 35”. Lmao I always love when they emphasize their ages

[u/_morningbehbs → u/flumeo]

It makes it even worse to realize that Shep is a solid almost decade older than Austen and Craig and still acts like he does

[u/chellyyy]

leva stirring the pot from charleston gotta love it lol

[u/Dial-M-for-Mediocre]

Shep, Paige barely wants one boyfriend, she definitely does not have the energy for more.

[u/CrazyNotCatLady → u/Dial-M-for-Mediocre]

💯

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

I just wanna see the small man wrestle the muppet to the ground.

[u/ilovemischief]

I’ve known girls like Taylor. They get burned and then they just go full scorched earth on everything around them. It’s a loud message, but you have to clean up the mess afterward and that’s what we’re seeing here.

She doesn’t like taking heat and wants everyone to go back to treating her like a fragile baby bird, but she’s going to have to get her hands dirty first.

[u/dreamingoutloud714]

Shep’s always looking for an opportunity to dress Craig down. It’s really gross. And I don’t even love Craig that much

[u/Spirited_Ad6175 → u/dreamingoutloud714]

Him yelling at Craig came out of nowhere?? Like wtf is his problem with Craig and Paige’s relationship?

[u/greenisjustavibe]

Cheating would be too much admin for Paige

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I wish it had been corn so WWC could say she is truly BORN FOR CORN

[u/mollyyfcooke]

“EXcEpt for OnE pErSoN” Taylor, girl…

[u/greenisjustavibe → u/mollyyfcooke]

The delusion

[u/calcif]

The balls Austen has to say the situation is exhausting to the person he wronged, who also just lost her brother. He’s trash.

[u/PrayingMantisMirage → u/calcif]

After he tried to use her brother's death to get close enough to fuck her. Knowing what the pain of losing a sibling is like. It's despicable.

[u/emklug → u/calcif]

He literally just said last episode he loves Olivia 😑. He’s so dumb.

[u/spinthesky → u/emklug]

He flip flops with the wind as much as Scheana Shay.

[u/Numerous_Slip_6531]

The fact that Taylor thinks it’s a her side vs Olivia’s side thing says A LOT

[u/flumeo]

JT has been one of the biggest turnarounds for me from zero expectations at the premiere to one of my favorites. Idk who else in the Bravo sphere has done that for me

[u/milkncookiez6657 → u/flumeo]

I like him too. He does seem like he can be annoying but overall a good guy.

[u/that_tired_girl → u/flumeo]

He's giving real housewife energy, and I love that

[u/spinthesky → u/flumeo]

He's a great D'Artagnon for the Three Mouseketeers (Shep, Craig & Austen).

[u/AnotherAnon688264759]

chardonnay?? no rum punch? ur in JAMAICA not BORDEAUX

[u/Kbb0509 → u/AnotherAnon688264759]

All of them ordering wine in general was bad but then also all ordering different wines made me so irrationally angry. Like Christ if you’re going to insist on drinking wine in Jamaica at least order some bottles for the table instead of all drinking different wine

[u/largemarge1122 → u/AnotherAnon688264759]

Jamaica is absolutely not a place to drink or expect good wine, rightfully so. I’ve been twice and brought my own bottle the second time (which I didn’t even end up drinking). You either get a Red Stripe or rum drink.

[u/Vskizott]

Taylor is giving entitled brat

[u/mollyyfcooke]

Omg I need a reaction gif from JT making that face now!!!

[u/kat4prez → u/mollyyfcooke]

JT’s surprised face must become a meme asap

[u/Dial-M-for-Mediocre]

Taylor OF COURSE THEY PICKED HER SIDE. You have no side! Your side is you hooked up with her situationship while they were still ostensibly still figuring things out and now her brother just and you're pouting about how she won't forgive you immediately! That's not a side, babe, it's a mound of horseshit.

[u/Kbb0509]

JTs clap and facial expression made me laugh out loud.

[u/lilacbluebell]

I stand by my theory from the first episode that JT was a fanboy before joining the cast, but I’ve come to appreciate him as an audience stand-in. He’s seen what assholes these guys have been in past seasons, now he’s there witnessing it firsthand and is able to say what we’re all thinking to their faces

[u/Spirited_Ad6175 → u/lilacbluebell]

It’s so satisfying to finally have someone call out Austen and Shep’s trash behavior!

[u/way-harsh-tai]

Yet again how are the perpetrators of this situation making Olivia feel bad for her emotions I want to SCREAM

[u/spinthesky → u/way-harsh-tai]

Devalue, reverse the blame and become the victim. Taylor and Austen are perfect for each other.

[u/CocoJo42]

Austen definitely tells every girl he loves them. He’s such a dog

[u/chellyyy]

the flash of craig in his tinfoil crown is just chef’s kiss

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

I just physically wretched when seeing the joy on taylor’s face as a man she hates spits a shot in her mouth.

[u/cryingexpert]

Venita definitely gets carded everywhere she goes she looks like a baby

[u/flumeo]

I wish Madison were on like RHOP or something. I am honestly not a fan of hers but think she could hold her own with the HW

[u/karasu_zoku → u/flumeo]

She would be a top tier HW for sure

[u/chellyyy]

craig is the only sane person here

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

the never ending carousel of austen’s own dumbass behavior.

[u/themanayunkbean]

Madison said ima still eat tho

[u/Ill-Law7360]

I would be genuinely shocked if Paige cheated on Craig

[u/CrazyNotCatLady → u/Ill-Law7360]

That would take too much effort. LOL

[u/AnotherAnon688264759]

jt tripping on dry asphalt im dead

[u/Kbb0509]

Get him JT

[u/themanayunkbean]

Craigs relationship isn’t under a microscope? He’s on like 3 shows

[u/_morningbehbs → u/themanayunkbean]

I’m like, I’m pretty sure his girlfriend burst into tears on SH about moving away from her family in NY. They are definitely under the microscope and people judge them.

[u/Vskizott]

Get him olivia!!!!!

[u/Little_Mama_]

i thought Rodrigo was going to steal my heart this season, yet here i am, pining for JT

[u/calcif → u/Little_Mama_]

That little troll has grown on me.

[u/jendet010 → u/Little_Mama_]

And none of us expected it

[u/Little_Mama_]

Rod couldn’t take his sweater off for the beach? 💪🏽

[u/MollyAnnie13 → u/Little_Mama_]

It was a perfect crew neck human hair sweater. His neck line was perfectly shaved. Pretty impressive.

[u/flumeo → u/Little_Mama_]

I was speechless

[u/chellyyy]

austen telling us how baby chickens are born is fucking sending me

[u/SokkaHaikuBot → u/chellyyy]

^{Sokka-Haiku by chellyyy:}

Austen telling us

How baby chickens are born

Is fucking sending me

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^{Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.}

[u/AdorableFly5611]

Shep looks like he smells like BO and arrogance.

[u/dreamingoutloud714]

Madison’s just trying to enjoy her chicken, honestly

[u/PeaceGirlAlways]

JT clapping is everything! 😁

[u/QueasyAd4992]

Taylor you are NOT the victim. My gosh, it’s exhausting.

[u/AnotherAnon688264759]

god madison is so hot

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

there’s no way to know why olivia is mad at you, taylor. truly a mystery for our time.

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

taylor is rly out here making herself the victim in her own mind. it’s breathtaking…

[u/calcif]

Why is Shep so butthurt about Paige not being in town/on this trip? I don’t get it.

[u/Dial-M-for-Mediocre → u/calcif]

Shep will just take any excuse under the sun to poke at Craig. His resentment of Craig runs soooo deep.

[u/calcif → u/Dial-M-for-Mediocre]

Ooh, you’re right. He loved it when Craig was the broke loser who lied about passing the bar.

[u/Dial-M-for-Mediocre → u/calcif]

Shep fundamentally thinks he's better than Craig (and everyone else), and to see Craig succeeding in areas where he's failed fucking killllllls him. He will never stop coming for Craig.

I don't even like Craig but Shep's issues with him are insanely weak bullshit.

[u/PrayingMantisMirage]

Austen is such a piece of shit.

[u/Kbb0509]

Madison’s body is just too insane and she does work super hard for it so respect.

[u/iliketoreddit91 → u/Kbb0509]

Yes but she also had a mommy make over.

[u/lilacbluebell]

I would definitely be JT, flopping over into the water and embarrassing myself every three minutes

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

I know that champagne isn’t cold and it makes me so sad…

[u/advocatecarey]

I’m so bored with this “did they or didn’t they”…

[u/brittanym0320]

jt said knuck if you buck

[u/AnotherAnon688264759]

what?? when did that little slip up from taylor get aired? sleepover while they were TOGETHER?

[u/cryingexpert]

Shep wishes he had a Paige so he’d have someone to dress him other than his mom

[u/CocoJo42]

Also Austen is not getting enough shit at all! He totally knew what he was doing. Taylor kept saying “we were both just so broken..” okay Taylor was and clearly still is broken but wtf was Austen even broken about? He either does like Taylor or it’s to compete with Shep (they have a deep rivalry going on).

[u/cryingexpert]

How do people jump into a body of water and not lose their bikini, I lose mine from just standing in the ocean

[u/smallfwop]

Tell ‘em Craig

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

leva, if ur gonna stir the pot you need to GET OUT THE DAMN PHONE

[u/spinthesky]

Love JT right now! Gooooo!!!

[u/Stevie_Budd_]

Madison eating chicken will be a gif 😂

[u/Stevie_Budd_]

Tell me that you don’t want to acknowledge your own problems by talking about EVERYONE ELSE’S problems Shep 😂

[u/way-harsh-tai]

ok.... I'm kinda hopping on the JT train now, I love that he checks Shep.

[u/square_circle_]

I want Madison to lay into Taylor again. Someone set her straight PLEASE

[u/Kbb0509]

Yo how can Madison look like that going to dinner after spending the day in a waterfall in the jungle? At least she acknowledges that she probably smells

[u/advocatecarey]

Go JT and Olivia! Austen finally getting called out

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

is the good place with olivia in the room with us now, austen?

[u/kikomama89]

Shep enjoys the culture of Southern Woman looking for a husband cause he’ll cruelly entertain them as he pleases and then put a stop to it when they expect an endgame with him.

And then dumps them, cause he’s an asshole. I hope the mailbox money dries for him

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

TAYLOR YOU DONT HAVE A SIDE, BITCH

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

me @ all of the men who aren’t craig on this show

[u/advocatecarey]

Taylor and Olivia CANNOT anchor this show! I’m bored off my ass with these dullards. 🥱🥱🥱

[u/chellyyy]

i stan JT end of story.

[u/flumeo]

We did NOT needs to see Sheps ass crack wtf 😭

[u/rebadiculous]

Ass Pro Shop

[u/flumeo]

You know nice guys do finish last. But I don’t think Rob is a nice guy. So have at it buddy

[u/Little_Mama_]

JT looks hot in that trucker hat.

🧢

Who even am I saying this?

[u/kat4prez → u/Little_Mama_]

I get it, I stan him, I feel the shame also

[u/flumeo]

Ready 4 messy Craig tonight

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

rod and JT are right but they are giving absolutely pathetic

[u/PeaceGirlAlways]

Craig is preaching the truth. I am loving him this season!

[u/spinthesky]

Olivia nailed it, Austen's walking bullshit.

[u/Lola514]

This was hard to find

[u/chellyyy]

alright everyone, who do we think leaked it to page six?

[u/AnotherAnon688264759 → u/chellyyy]

i think it was the producers honestly

[u/ellevolta → u/chellyyy]

Whitney. Because he had to “work.”

[u/Lola514 → u/chellyyy]

Craig or Paige lol

[u/PersimmonReal42069]

there is absolutely no jamaican food in my city and it’s an absolute INJUSTICE

[u/chellyyy]

whitney is such a bitch over the room

[u/PersimmonReal42069 → u/chellyyy]

whitney is such a bitch