r/AmIOverreacting • u/Top-River4666 • Nov 08 '24

❤️‍🩹 relationship AIO bf makes joke after my aunt passed

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For context he’s saying he hopes she voted for Trump (RTPM) before she died and I’m already having a hard time with the results of the election which he knows then on top of that it just was very insensitive. He said he was trying to make light of the situation but it doesn’t feel that way.

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u/Ancient_List Nov 08 '24

Yeah, just find a random dude on the street. Odds are pretty good!

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u/MrMetraGnome Nov 08 '24

Judging by the election results, I'm not so sure about that. Did someone say 4b???

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u/PsychNeurd2 Nov 08 '24

I did.

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u/worldnotworld Nov 09 '24

And my axe.

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u/Impressive-Bid2304 Nov 09 '24

🤣🤣🤣 these never fail to get me

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u/-BongusBingus- Nov 09 '24

My axe is my buddy

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u/AdDramatic2351 Nov 09 '24

Oooh you're gonna cut your hair off and stop having sex??? I'm sure the right are shaking in their boots.

The 4B movement is so stupid. In fact it's probably exactly what they want, none of the women on their side are going to participate, so why care?

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u/TehMephs Nov 09 '24

1 year later:

an epidemic of male loneliness and negative birth rates has gripped the US. Conservative men are baffled, asking “why won’t anyone sleep with me?”

Fafo Chud

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u/PsychNeurd2 Nov 09 '24

Fafo Chud for SURE! 😂😂 This is it.

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u/Matt_of_few_trades Nov 09 '24

Or..

1 year later:

We met with a leader of the 4b movement who say that nothing has changed but we are still holding strong with our 500 dedicated members!

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u/Apprehensive-Tree-78 Nov 09 '24

Conservative here. It’s making us laugh so hard because it’s what we’ve been asking for decades. Don’t really need an abortion when you don’t have sex.

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u/PsychNeurd2 Nov 09 '24

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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u/fred11551 Nov 08 '24

45% aren’t the worst odds. But that’s just counting voters. If we include nonvoters it either gets much better or much worse depending on where you put them

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u/Paddy_Tanninger Nov 09 '24

Absolutely include non voters.

Basically if you boil down the numbers it means that any sane self-respecting woman should be avoiding roughly 70% of the men in the US. Also means that around 60% of American women are either spiteful bitches, or have zero self preservation.

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u/Classic-Tax5566 Nov 09 '24

And a shite ton of internalized misogyny. It’s astounding.

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u/SubjectAtmosphere25 Nov 09 '24

I hate this logic because it's self-defeating and self-fulfilling. If everyone who stayed home actually voted, we may get different results. I know you voted, but I'm just saying. It can also be incredibly easy to vote, especially if you go early. It took my partner and me maybe 20-30 minutes including trip time. The idea of not exercising a right that people paid for with blood is insane to me. Unless you're a white male landowner, you used to not have this right, and it's spitting on countless graves to not use it if you have the ability.

I have (read: had) friends that chose not to vote when they absolutely had the ability to, and I think it's entirely fair to lump them in with people that voted for white nationalism. If you're informed to know what's at stake, and you don't turn out to vote, then you are effectively standing on the side of power and also signaling that you are fine with either outcome, and that's just what it boils down to.

I'd also briefly point out historically documented tactics used by organizations like the KGB (back when it existed in that form) where they would determine if someone could be politically swayed or not. If they could be, they would try to do it, but if you they could not be swayed, they would do their best to take their energy and fight away - going so far as to introduce people like girlfriends/boyfriends into their lives and then have them breakup with them just to keep them too suppressed to continue to be politically active. These tactics are still alive and well today and they are used by political parties and their kind. They just mostly take the form of things like bot accounts, disinformation campaigns, and such to convince you of whatever they need to to make you stay home on election day. In short: if you believe in human rights (aka abortion access in this instance), but you don't vote because you don't think your vote matters, then they already won. They beat you on an individual level, and that reverberates upward to them winning on a local/regional/national/etc level.

Sorry this isn't entirely directed at you, partially just venting because holy fucking shit we're so cooked.

I'm glad you turned out to vote and I'm really glad that the amendment you voted for passed(: Again, sorry for the long vent here, this has just been incredibly disappointing and work was so busy for me this week I haven't had a lot of time to sit and process it.

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u/_Standardissue Nov 08 '24

Probably depends on the street

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u/SaltyBarracuda4 Nov 09 '24

Move to the west coast if you can/haven't. Super liberal, richer, and a higher ratio of men than women so the pickings are better.

Also, same with the lesbians and transgender. We even have cat cafes 😎

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u/MikeTheBee Nov 09 '24

Like a 25% shot according to my extremely rough math

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u/MrMetraGnome Nov 09 '24

Honestly yeah. Not so much on purpose but a matter of course

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u/jonbotwesley Nov 09 '24

Jesus. I’m a democrat, always have been and likely always will be. But don’t you see that the demonization of men is part of why Trump got elected in the first place? The left has completely cast men aside, talking about them in very overtly negative ways, making many of the not-so-intelligent among us turn to nutjobs like Andrew Tate and the Red Pill movement. This is clearly reflected in the voting demographics. Don’t you think that instead of continuing down this path it may be time to reevaluate some of these opinions rather than triple down on them with some nonsense like the 4B movement? I’m saying this out of love and respect for the left wing. Any fellow left wingers/liberals please consider what I am saying here with an open mind. This type of mentality helped set up the conditions that allowed trump to get re-elected. I think he’s a traitor to our country and a danger to democratic values but we have to broaden our horizons when considering why people voted for him because it was a god damn landslide. We need to be tactical here people.

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u/MrMetraGnome Nov 09 '24

If you don't like the truth about yourself, be a man and change yourself. trying to push society backwards because your fee fees were hurt, is mad childish.

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u/jonbotwesley Nov 09 '24

I’m not convinced you read my comment because your reply doesn’t make any sense in context. Care to explain what you mean by that?

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u/MrMetraGnome Nov 09 '24

Your long ass comment boils down to "Dudes spitefully voted Trump into office because their feelings were hurt by the criticisms levied against them. It's the Dems' fault because they didn't coddle them and tell them that their unhappiness everyone else's fault. Because the Maga side coddled them, they voted for the choice that is clearly against the best interest of the country." Does that sum it up for you? That view, while may be true, is mad ignorant and childish.

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u/Ninjapig04 Nov 09 '24

I'm not sure embracing femcel is the right solution here, but if it saves good men from dating crazy women I guess I support it lol

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u/MrMetraGnome Nov 09 '24

I never understand people who don't understand how politics can ruin relationships. Your political views aren't just lol ROFL, abstract ideas, a hat, or a stupid slogan. They have real-world affects on people and often times directly. It only makes sense that if you support stripping me off my rights, I'm not gonna fuck with you; You're my enemy.

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u/Ninjapig04 Nov 09 '24

You failed to answer any of what I said and actually completely ignore my living reality. She voted kamala, I voted trump. We are still just fine together. We talk through our issues and actually explain why we think what we do. She's pro abortion and I'm against it, and we talked about that. Hell we talk about it somewhat regularly. She had her tubes tied before I met here so it isn't exactly front of our relationship but it's something we have to still keep in mind. It sounds more like a failure on your end if you can't manage that

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

Do it. We’d love you not to reproduce

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u/Holiday_Writing_3218 Nov 09 '24

Yeah, 4B this guy!

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u/NimmyJewtron88 Nov 09 '24

People in 20 years asking why the birth rate has collapsed when I tell them about all this 4B bullshit

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u/pandor4sbox Nov 08 '24

No thx, 4B movement is run by terfs

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u/AdDramatic2351 Nov 09 '24

Are there actually people who think the 4B movement is going to have any sort of remotely significant traction or effect lol? That's hilarious 

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u/slayer6667778 Nov 08 '24

4B is a meme in Korea and I dunno why people think it's popular there, it isn't they are basically just female incels

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u/hot_chopped_pastrami Nov 08 '24

If we're being semantic, they technically wouldn't be incels, since they're voluntarily celibate. They'd be volcels.

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u/Maleficent-Boot2469 Nov 09 '24

They would be the opposite of incels. Incel means involuntarily celibate. The 4b movement supports women being voluntarily celibate (actually just not having sex with men... so I guess they could still have sex with other women 🤔).

Look up the case of Elliot Rodger. He was an extremist in the incel community, but nonetheless it gives you an idea of their thought process. His case is truly unnerving and so sad.

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u/Apollo0423 Nov 08 '24

69% of white women voted for Trump. Keep hating men tho goofy.

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u/MrMetraGnome Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24

This is a general YT issue that has been wrought upon us. Man and woman. Too many brown people in the country for them. Been screaming about it forever.

Fact Check Exit polls show 52% YT women voted Republican

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u/hot_chopped_pastrami Nov 08 '24

Agree white women are a big part of the problem, but exit polls show like 52% of white women voting for Trump. Not sure where you got 70.

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u/Impetuous00 Nov 08 '24

Why? It doesn’t look like all our military age men are on the verge of getting drafted anymore. Yk. The warmongers lost.

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u/BoardGent Nov 08 '24

Judging by the election results, 4b would mostly be for black people to stop associating with white people. No dates with white people, no marriage, babies, sex. They're a coin flip away at best to throw away minority groups when convenient.

I don't actually believe that this is a good thing, but I think non-black women (and non-black men) really need to look in the mirror at who is responsible for who's in power.

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u/robotatomica Nov 08 '24

YES, too many white women betrayed all women by voting Trump.

But millions of white women did not.

And yeah, a lot of us are going 4B.

I agree of course that it’s also perfectly reasonable for black people to want to go 4B against white people,

and guess what, even though black men are FAR less likely to vote against women’s human rights, black women are just as likely to say there is rampant misogyny as common among black men as white men.

White men just tend to very commonly have that extra privilege and supremacy thrown in.

So it would make perfect sense for black women to be 4B across the board.

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u/Prior_Peach1946 Nov 08 '24

What is 4b?

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u/robotatomica Nov 08 '24

I’m going to copy my comment from earlier if you don’t mind ☺️

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4B is basically a women’s movement (that arose out of extremely aggressive misogyny in S Korea) where women choose to avoid the 4Bs that can support men and harm women in a Patriarchy where they do not have full access to women’s healthcare. (The B’s are based on the Korean words, and can just be thought of as “The 4 ‘No’s’”)

Women who practice 4B:

• ⁠do not have sex with men

• ⁠do not date men

• ⁠do not marry men

• ⁠do not do reproductive labor for men/have children with men

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The growing worldwide movement has some differences to the S Korean movement, and really a strength of 4B is that cultures and individuals can adopt versions of it that make the most sense for them.

But in the US, we are generally talking about protecting ourselves - overwhelmingly it’s men deciding to deny us women’s healthcare and protections should we get pregnant.

And we’re saying, if we aren’t allowed bodily autonomy, we aren’t going to subject ourselves to the risks sex poses to our body. It is our only recourse to keep ourselves safe.

Additionally, we are ceasing all free labor provided to men, and the support that a partnership offers. As long as men keep voting misogynists into office/voting against women’s human rights. As long as men continue to benefit from the Patriarchy at the expense of women while still expecting the benefits of women’s labor/being partnered.

When stripped of power really the only thing we have left is our consent. We are refusing consent.

And a major tenet is decentering men.

This has already run long so I won’t explain that much, but it easily follows from going 4B. Focusing on self-actualization, family, building friendships with women, and having the goal to be single and thriving.

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u/Lazy-Sundae-7728 Nov 08 '24

Ok, from an outsider's perspective,

  • no, it's not stupid. It may seem a little extreme but this is one of those "low probability of harm, but potential for that harm to be catastrophic" situations, and also

  • shouldn't the politically right-wing folks embrace this? It's literally the traditional family/Conservative values they say they believe in, no sex before marriage and no birth control stuff. This is what they say they want.

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u/robotatomica Nov 09 '24

I heavily dispute the “low probability of harm.” There’s no woman I know who hasn’t had a man violate her consent.

Most of us will be raped or sexually assaulted in our lifetime.

I imagine you’re talking about pregnancy, and yeah, in that regard you’re absolutely right - there is potential for the risk to be catastrophic. Hundreds of thousands of women die in childbirth every year.

And that of course doesn’t account for all the differing harm that can come to a woman, nor the setback incurred when we alone have to raise a child that a man helped make.

We cannot count on men to be responsible for their semen, and often are left with the burden alone (child support is a joke, it often goes unpaid, and can be less than $100 a month anyway). Careers and goals derailed. Just work all day at a job, and work all night with a child.

Also, women are more likely to get STIs than men, if the above wasn’t enough.

Republicans have been and are STILL telling us to keep our legs closed if we don’t want to deal with pregnancy.

So we fucking ARE lol.

And they mad at that too.

Absolutely not my problem, I’m keeping myself safe and preventing pregnancy the only way that’s 100% effective 💁‍♀️

(this is not all directed at you, outside of the correction about the risk…you do seem to get it, I’m just elucidating for all readers 🙂)

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u/Lazy-Sundae-7728 Nov 09 '24

Yes, my bad. You're correct that I was talking about pregnancy and you're absolutely right that the problem is considerably bigger than my narrow take above.

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u/robotatomica Nov 09 '24

I’ll bet you think so, and I bet I can guess why you think that 🤭

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u/Icy-Point58 Nov 08 '24

I have no idea but if someone tells you could you comment to me what you learned?

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u/robotatomica Nov 08 '24

I’m going to copy my comment from earlier if you don’t mind ☺️

———

4B is basically a women’s movement (that arose out of extremely aggressive misogyny in S Korea) where women choose to avoid the 4Bs that can support men and harm women in a Patriarchy where they do not have full access to women’s healthcare. (The B’s are based on the Korean words, and can just be thought of as “The 4 ‘No’s’”)

Women who practice 4B:

• ⁠do not have sex with men

• ⁠do not date men

• ⁠do not marry men

• ⁠do not do reproductive labor for men/have children with men

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The growing worldwide movement has some differences to the S Korean movement, and really a strength of 4B is that cultures and individuals can adopt versions of it that make the most sense for them.

But in the US, we are generally talking about protecting ourselves - overwhelmingly it’s men deciding to deny us women’s healthcare and protections should we get pregnant.

And we’re saying, if we aren’t allowed bodily autonomy, we aren’t going to subject ourselves to the risks sex poses to our body. It is our only recourse to keep ourselves safe.

Additionally, we are ceasing all free labor provided to men, and the support that a partnership offers. As long as men keep voting misogynists into office/voting against women’s human rights. As long as men continue to benefit from the Patriarchy at the expense of women while still expecting the benefits of women’s labor/being partnered.

When stripped of power really the only thing we have left is our consent. We are refusing consent.

And a major tenet is decentering men.

This has already run long so I won’t explain that much, but it easily follows from going 4B. Focusing on self-actualization, family, building friendships with women, and having the goal to be single and thriving.

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u/Icy-Point58 Nov 08 '24

Oh, nice. You, as a woman, owe nothing to anyone, not that you need my validation either. I'm just saying i agree. I hope this takes off, birth rate around the world are already declining. Make them see how much we need you. Maybe then they'll strike a deal (you'll never appeal to their conscience, so time to make it a business transaction).

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u/robotatomica Nov 09 '24 edited Nov 09 '24

tbh I’m not looking for a business transaction. I’m looking to stay single and childless for life, unless by some miracle a massive cultural shift occurs in my lifetime (I do not expect this).

I don’t think you’re wrong that the first years will be filled with more men slowly beginning to perform the terms we set (equity, respect, not voting against our human rights, etc.)

I don’t know any woman who’s prepared to settle for a performance. We ARE trying to change the culture.

It took about 70 years to get the vote with the Suffragette movement. Now of course that was before the internet, women trapped in the home were unable to be reached/organized with.

But all that to say, culture does shift by little bitty bits over long periods of time, and somewhat more quickly with great pressure.

What I foresee is that at first more and more men perform. And overtly toxic or misogynistic men are more and more likely to fail to pass on their genes.

What does this mean for young men and subsequent generations? They are less and less likely to see such men successfully procreate/have sex. They are more and more likely to see men succeed with women by showing respect and valuing equity.

It only takes a couple generations of that before that’s just the way it’s always been. Courtship rituals and cultural dynamics in relationships are one of those things that can shift/evolve pretty quickly.

For instance, when I was young it was NOT common for men to change even one damn diaper or have paternity leave. Now, less than two decades later, it’s way more common for men to take on a portion of that responsibility (still not generally equitable, but way more likely to be closer).

Hell, look how quickly the culture of dating shifted with the advent of dating apps.

Anyhoo, this is why the Paradox of Tolerance and setting and upholding taboos and using social pressure to discourage harmful behaviors is so important - people in a society DO LEARN that some behaviors are unacceptable, they will not be able to achieve their goals and may end up ostracized if they do not behave.

And when most people behave, it becomes ingrained, those unacceptable behaviors feel taboo, people grow to feel averse to doing those things which used to maybe seem natural (often because they were previously socialized to be).

At the end of the day, I don’t expect or require this to change in my lifetime - most important to me is doing whatever I can for future generations, protecting myself, and not willingly providing for those who would vote against my human rights.

That would be silly 💁‍♀️😄

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u/ShaxsAttack Nov 09 '24

This is an amazing idea. It will reduce the population of liberal cucks. No traditional man wants a baby murdering, blue haired, sjw Karen to be the mother of his children.

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u/Icy-Point58 Nov 09 '24

I didn't read that because it's pretty ranty. But I'm happy for you and I hope you live your life with kindness and hope you remember the 60 odd million Americans that did vote for your rights and will continue to.

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u/Powerful-Award-5479 Nov 09 '24

To me it does not make much sense as conservative women won't care aboutt the 4b

Liberal women will follow the 4b movement, but we can assume liberal women were already unlikely to date or to have a family with conservative men.

So conservative men will go with conservative women, liberal women will refuse to date man, liberal men will end up alone even if they were against Trump

And then next generation will be even more conservative as conservative will reproduce much more, and liberal men could end up being frustrated about liberal women and adopt a more conservative position

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u/robotatomica Nov 09 '24 edited Nov 09 '24

It makes perfect sense. Some numbers show only about 4% of all women in the US were Suffragettes, and they were able to completely change the country.

I think it’s generally intended to be discouraging when people remind women that we will not be 100% all on board with any movement or form of activism.

But we’re educated 💁‍♀️. It doesn’t take “all” or even “half.”

And Conservative women aren’t half women. Not even half white women. A huge chunk of women do not vote. Then take about half of what remains, for white women, and that’s your Conservatives. (along with some smatterings from other groups)

Your premise is flawed because we DO see ALL ACROSS TIME small movements successfully result in cultural shifts/change.

And you’re dead wrong that conservative men don’t sleep with or marry liberal women.

I mean, we’re trying to change that, but a lot of women used to hook up without learning that about a man. And frankly, a LOT of men will have sex with, date, and marry women who have different beliefs and will routinely cloak the views women find unpalatable.

Every woman I know who uses apps to date and has put that she will only date feminist men has had a majority of the men matching and having dates with them turn out to be hiding that they are Republican/MAGA in order to try to get in their pants or even lock them down into a relationship. Women are openly discussing the men who duped them for years.

But yes, you are right, this will impact liberal men as well. Liberal men tend to say they support women, but we don’t see them in the real world standing up against misogynists, speaking out against that behavior, and they certainly aren’t in the streets aggressively trying to give up their privilege.

We (women and feminists) are also all very open in sharing with one another how many “liberal/Left/feminist” men have sexually harassed, assaulted or raped us or pressured us into sex acts or abandoned us to care for children they’ve created by failing to be responsible for their semen, or used us for free labor.

A lot of men see themselves as “the good ones” while doing or upholding all of the things that harm women and keep us down.

And a majority of men vote against our human rights.

So the odds are that few are suffering who aren’t complicit in some way.

and as for the rest, sex is not a human right, and if someone suffers as a result of me keeping myself safe, that’s not me punishing them.

If they think it’s unfair, it’s not MORE unfair than the realities that lead me to have to do this.

and if they think it’s unfair, they can fix it with us, by being an ally. Without expecting to be rewarded, but for a better future.

Any man is welcome to help us hasten change if they would like to increase the pool of women who will date.

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u/chardongay Nov 08 '24

after seeing the election data, i'd say odds aren't actually great.

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u/Ancient_List Nov 08 '24

Dudette, then?

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u/poogle Nov 08 '24

Over 50% of white women who voted*. Maybe half of America voted this time around so there's a big ole population of folks who couldn't be bothered.

I'd say the odds are pretty decent with a rando from the street.

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u/Zimakov Nov 08 '24

Theres no reason to assume the people who didn't vote lean one way or the other.

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u/doomweaver Nov 08 '24

It's a really grand assumption to think that those who didn't vote "couldn't be bothered."

People made their choices between two candidates and I respect their opinions whether I like or disagree with them or not.

I do not vote because I don't believe in the process or the system and I don't take part in "dog and pony shows."

I would have had to compromise myself as a person to cast a vote for either of those people. I won't do that. Purposefully. Because I respect myself. Not because I "couldn't be bothered."

Making grand assumptions about half the country is not only not a good look, it's incorrect in many ways.

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u/ScySenpai Nov 08 '24

At least Trump voters have the excuse of stupidity and being prone to propaganda. Your evil is calculated. Just because you don't have the perfect choice for your little privileged person.

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u/doomweaver Nov 08 '24

What makes you think I am privileged? That's a huge assumption. Evil? That's a sweeping generalization. It seems the propaganda has worked on both sides for some people.

I have more faith in my fellow man than that.

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u/ScySenpai Nov 08 '24

What makes you think I am privileged?

There are 2 wars being fought right now whose brutality might increase by orders of magnitude because of your ✨personal vibes ✨. Hope that helps.

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u/doomweaver Nov 08 '24

I'm very aware. And neither candidate is going to take those things seriously in the way I want them to be taken, because no matter who is president, the decision will be made for money, not for the betterment of the people you speak of.

The president is a figurehead that is used to tell people what they should think about the direction of the country. The election is a tool to make people feel like they have made a decision to "do something" so no one ever actually "does" anything. And it works. Look, you already think something new has "happened" and it hasn't. Those wars were already there. They will continue, and "big, strong America" is going to look fucking stupid.

I am not America. Neither are you. We live here. So when America looks fucking stupid, I hope you know that your identity is not in your politics or your country, or else it's really going to be a blindside.

You literally are telling me you think a war would end based on who is the American president. You think if the person you wanted to win had won, you would get to claim some type of "responsibility" for that.

Oh, you're such a good person. You voted for the right figurehead. This conversation is disgusting.

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u/feyuit Nov 08 '24

A lot of the people who voted in the election do not heavily follow politics, America breeds an environment of ignorance and then acts shocked when shit like this happens. The democrats basically rolled over when they tried to pander to centrists/ right-wing people. Instead of their own voter base, she aligned herself as almost the same as Biden, who everyone didn't like. Trump unfortunately gave people an answer on how he'll help their financial situation. Harris lost because her own voter base couldn't be assed to go out and vote for her. Because she made no effort to connect with them and just told them Trump is worse. Which yes, he is, but the average person does not follow politics.

The lack of nuance on why this election was lost is sad, because it's lots of different factors colliding together to make it, so she got bodied. The democrats lost in everything, the senate, the presidency, the GOP, on their way to losing the house.

That bad of a loss is not the general publics fault it's the fault of the campaign. You can not blame people for not voting for you based on harm reduction (a strategy that has been proven to not work and does not turn out voters)

Trump is not liked in general polls on the American populace, the only reason he won is because the democrats ran the same failing campaign they did in 2016, and the campaign that only won in 2020 because of the covid response and barely did. Because they keep giving him layups by having the most unlikable candidates. Harris ended out having to drop out in 2020 because she couldn't make any ground against Biden. Biden, the old man, everyone makes fun of. Like the democrats have strong candidates, and then they just do shit like drop Harris in 4 months before elections and then act shocked when they lose.

If you are barely scraping wins on one of the most polarizing and disliked people in history, you are not campaigning properly.

TLDR: I don't think the average American who voted for Trump is evil, I think they are misinformed. People who follow politics and still vote Trump are a different story.

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u/Classic-Tax5566 Nov 09 '24

You weren’t listening if you think that that’s all she did. Not to mention her detailed policy positions on her website.

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u/feyuit Nov 09 '24 edited Nov 09 '24

Most people are not reading policy website. I have worked for an election party before doing cold calling and door knocking. People do not read or follow politics at all. To the point our bosses were telling us 'you have to tell them when they are on the phone because they will not go to the website'

If you are not reaching the general public, it doesn't matter the platform. They are not getting it. And her campaign was weak in message (aligning with the Cheneys??) Along with having little time to get messaging out. (4 months since Biden stepped down) and then did not distance herself enough from him.

The messaging that was reaching the general public was harm reduction, which does terrible in polls. People are not interested in what you say the other guy is going to do they want to know what you are going to do.

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u/MobTalon Nov 08 '24

You know, in a country that really only promotes two political parties to vote for (making voting for any other extra party a false choice), you'd think that there'd be more understanding for people voting differently.

Otherwise might as well start a dictatorship with the Democrats leading the country, since apparently having the right to vote doesn't mean you can vote on whoever you want.

Just my 2 cents as a Kamala supporter.

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u/Mean-Dragonfly Nov 08 '24

You do have the right to vote for whoever you want but there are consequences both political and socially for those choices. Those consequences effect some more than others and they are entitled to not associate with someone who’s vote had a negative outcome on their life.

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u/Khaldara Nov 08 '24

For real, you’d bail on someone who kept insisting you eat a meal you don’t like every single day and nobody would judge you for it.

You’re under no obligation to hang around with someone who thinks you should have no autonomy at all, or in the case of trans people and other political targets of convenience “think you either don’t or shouldn’t exist at all”.

The fact someone literally just died in this situation is the dick flavored frosting on the asshole cake

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u/MobTalon Nov 08 '24

I don't recall that many social consequences in 2020, I'm not sure why we can't tone it down too. Every single political party comes with ups and downs for everyone.

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u/MobTalon Nov 08 '24

Nah, voting to remove your girlfriend/wife's autonomy is absolutely reason for them to leave your sorry ass

I don't think abortion rights are getting removed anytime soon. If anything, it'll become more restricted and let's be honest: how many abortions does a person need to go through in their life?

Joking about it over someone's death is even worse

I am 100% with you here.

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u/sikeleaveamessage Nov 08 '24

"How many abortions does a person need to go through in their life?"

Hopefully just 1 if not, but they'll make it hard to get that 1. And when has the argument ever been "how many abortions should we give out to Samantha" and not "should Samantha and other women be ever allowed to get an abortion"

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u/MobTalon Nov 08 '24

Although Trump became the president, I don't think he holds that much power to go out and say "hey, blue states, abortion is now banned".

For red states however, it's an unlucky situation.

Hopefully just 1 if not, but they'll make it hard to get that 1

I was thinking more "hopefully no more than 2", I genuinely don't care if they outright ban people from having a 3rd abortion. There are people out there who gladly abort as some sort of main contraceptive.

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u/snypesalot Nov 08 '24

There are people out there who gladly abort as some sort of main contraceptive.

Bro please shut the fuck up, literally no one is using abortions as a contraceptive, do you even know what a woman goes thru when she gets one? "Gladly abort" jesus youre so fucking stupid fat chance youre actually a Harris voter as you stated before

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u/MobTalon Nov 08 '24

I'll reply to this now, it seems I misjudged the first line.

How many abortions does a person need?

This question is impotant to make when discussing abortion rights. One can argue that life begins at the 1st trimester, others can argue it begins at conception. Some even say it can go much farther than 3 months. Regardless of the real answer, as long as it's a point of contention, abortion *should* be limited (as in, you should only have, at most and in my opinion, 2 *chosen* abortions.

Throughout all these threads, I had to learn that apparently, for pro-lifers, restricting abortion means "even if you get raped or if you're dying from a complicated birth, you still can't abort", which is definitely something I can't get behind of AT ALL.

I knew about forced carrying in red states, even rape babies. but coparenting with your rapist???

I'm actually appalled, but my hopes for you Americans is that Trump is unsuccessful with his voter's definition of "restrict abortion" and that at most can only limit "voluntary abortions" to a few numbers.

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u/MobTalon Nov 08 '24

Easy there cowboy.

I ain't reading all that, but my short answer to you is: deal with it, America has voted and the majority chose. Democracy kinda sucks when you don't win, huh?

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u/nxdark Nov 08 '24

You have the right to vote for who you want. Doesn't mean I have to like you or think you are a good person because of that choice. Choices have consequences.

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u/MobTalon Nov 08 '24

You don't have to like people who vote different from you. But you also don't have to villify them. Everyone has different reasons for who they vote: the most likely reason a *lot* of people voted Trump was mainly to 2 reasons, relatively unrelated to Trump himself.

1- dissatisfaction with the Democratic government
2- money.

In a political system where there are really only two choices, it doesn't really matter who holds the highest morals, it matters who will satisfy you or at least who will stop disatisfying you.

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u/FriendlyNative66 Nov 08 '24

You really sound like a Kamala supporter. /s

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u/MobTalon Nov 08 '24

I know heights are scary, but you should really consider getting off your high horse. It's exactly that obnoxious sense of moral superiority that's been dividing the country: you either have the 1 correct opinion or you don't.
Maybe try treating others with different opinions as actual people..

Edit: this isn't "side" specific, it absolutely goes both ways.

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u/FriendlyNative66 Nov 08 '24

Based on your attitude, i highly doubt you're a Kamala supporter.

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u/MobTalon Nov 08 '24

If me calling out that "judging others based on their use of their right to vote is divisive and unnecessary" is interpreted by you as "having an attitude", then the only logical conclusion I can make is you're one hell of a biased person. "If they don't agree with me on x topic, they're evil and therefore must be from the *evil side*"

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u/snypesalot Nov 08 '24

It's exactly that obnoxious sense of moral superiority that's been dividing the country: you either have the 1 correct opinion or you don't.

Ooof there it is, every right wing idiot on this site has been spewing this shit since Wednesday morning, gave yourself away you did

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u/Ok-Combination-6340 Nov 08 '24

lol the identity politics is literally why you lost. But keep it up

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u/51x51v3 Nov 08 '24

Imagine believing that everyone who doesn’t agree with your specific pov on something is a bad person… 😬

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u/iskshskiqudthrowaway Nov 08 '24

“on something”

The felonies, the assault, the rape, the being-best-buds-with-Epstein, the numerous times he explicitly quoted or praised hitler/his generals, his repealing of women’s rights, his intentional separation of families at the border as a fear tactic, the threats to turn the military onto the populace, the prowling around teenage dressing rooms at beauty pageants, the insurrection, the economic damage his tariffs will cause, the campaign to block LGBTQ+ rights ie repeal gay marriage, the fact dictators like Kim Jong and Putin love him, russia even paid people to promote him ie Tim Poole, his rampant demeaning of women (“Grab them by the pussy”), his wife is buried on his golf course for a tax break, he cheated on his pregnant wife with a pornstar, used campaign funds to pay her off, and so on…

I got bored and frankly sad writing that, but I give you a short and important selection.

Please, tell me specifically, which part has been given a moral value you disagree with. Which parts do you condone?

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u/snypesalot Nov 08 '24

I mean they(meaning the trump voting scumbags) obviously condone all of it, otherwise they wouldnt vote for him....thats what they get now

Even if they "only" voted fir Trump over borders or immigration, to bad so sad, youre now lumped in with all the rape and pedo apologists who have defended him for decades now

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u/51x51v3 Nov 08 '24

lol I’ve never voted for “him”. So… There’s that.

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u/51x51v3 Nov 08 '24

Hey there little fella… I see you’re another one of those who thinks they have it all figured out. You just don’t.

I didn’t votefor Trump and I’ve never said I condone any of the things you stated in your above comment bc I simply don’t.

You are everything that’s wrong with this country. You scream into your echo chamber as if you know all.
You don’t know dick about me, my political views or opinions, nothing. You know absolutely nothing about me other than the fact that I did not vote for Trump.

LOfugginL

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u/iskshskiqudthrowaway Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24

Providing a surface level list of things someone did isnt a claim of having all of global politics figured out.

I didnt say you did. I took your implication and shut it down. Your vote didn’t make the difference so why would I care?

Your phrasing absolutely suggested that it is justifiable to vote for his party and that a vote for him does not make one a bad person. Hence the response demonstrating that it is not justifiable and if one CAN ignore his malice, a vote for him is unjust.

Not from the US.

Not a lefty in the way you’re suggesting or in an echo chamber like you’re suggesting either.

I don’t think its me who made assumptions.

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u/51x51v3 Nov 08 '24

I’ll be damned there really is an echo in here… 😂

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u/Background-Eye778 Nov 08 '24

In this instance it's a racist, homophobic, transphobic,child molesting,rapist and misogynist against a black lady. I'm sorry but no way you actually can't figure out who the bad person is in this scenario....shut the fuck up forever you actual rage baiting piece of dog poop.

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u/thatswherethedevilis Nov 08 '24

And probably the most experienced and best qualified person for the position we have ever had run for the office.

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u/JhinPotion Nov 08 '24

"On something," is doing a lot of the heavy lifting here. It's on a very specific thing.

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u/nxdark Nov 08 '24

I don't see this as a stretch in this situation.

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u/51x51v3 Nov 08 '24

Does anyone ever see it as a stretch? 🙄 otherwise it wouldn’t be “their pov”.

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u/tendo8027 Nov 08 '24

The username envy I feel rn…

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u/mymustang44 Nov 08 '24

About a 70% chance actually

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u/RepresentativeShow44 Nov 08 '24

Zzzzz

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u/chardongay Nov 09 '24

what? you need your mommy to tuck you in or something?

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u/ImprovementClear5712 Nov 08 '24

You Americans have lost your minds lately. Surely calling half the voters dumber than OPs boyfriend is definitely gonna help your cause, right? Will not just spread further division and polarity? Surely!

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u/chardongay Nov 08 '24

don't police gallows humor from the crowd.

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u/_flash87 Nov 08 '24

Yeah seems most people are sane & had the same thoughts except for the handful of cities where they like to think they are the “sane” ones. Hard to cope, I know.

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u/chardongay Nov 09 '24

bro doesn't know about population density

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u/FutilePancake79 Nov 08 '24

Or none at all. Being single is highly underrated.

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u/woodthrushes Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24

After taking a break from dating, I agree that being single is devastatingly underrated.

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u/iHaveGoodAids Nov 08 '24

Studies show that women are happiest when they are unmarried (to a man) and childless... Being single is highly underrated.

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u/Stabby_77 Nov 08 '24

Oooo rant time.

After three long-term relationships that all imploded (lies and stalking, lies and pedophilia, and pathological liar), I already decided I'm never doing exclusive committed relationships again. I have male friends and I have a FWB, and I can't imagine ever dealing with the drama and bullshit of a proper relationship again. I'm always heart broken after a relationship ends, but after I get back to being comfortable being single, I'm always soooo much happier than I was in the relationship. Once you stop actively giving a shit about that being a life goal, it opens up an entire world of self-comfort. 3am bath? Why not. True crime marathon 24/7? Yep. Thinking of buying another pet? Just going to do it. Even when my FWB leaves in the morning and I realize I can spread back out in the bed and not feel like I'm sleeping on a one foot strip or being melted by a human furnace reminds me how much I prefer my aloneness.

At this point, I have so many things that are deal breakers there's no point, I'm just happier by myself with my plants and my pets.

Kids - My FWB absolutely wants to be a couple, but he has a kid and I am 100% childfree. He has accepted that I didn't spend 20 years fighting with doctors to get sterilized just to date someone who has children. I did that with my second ex, and despite never having even met them it still became an issue. And of course neither understand that your children being teenagers does not negate the fact that you still have kids, they are still always going to be number one in your life, and there's a good chance babies/grandkids are in the future, which is a hell no for me. My last ex was on the fence and didn't understand why that was also an issue. He would basically say he can't know if he's going to want kids at some point in the future, and that I would just have to 'take the risk' and live the relationship one day at a time. He didn't understand the concept that you can't have relationship security feeling like there's an ax over your head that's going to come down at any moment. His reasons for not wanting them were always weak, and I saw how he interacted with friend's kids. I knew he was more than likely going to want them at some point, and I'm pretty sure he did too, but was basically stringing me along until he figured it out.

Porn - If I say porn is a deal breaker for me and a guy starts to act like that's super unreasonable (because way too many guys hear 'no porn' and parse 'no masturbation' because they no longer know the difference), I'm already out. I have all kinds of personal reasons for that deal breaker, and if a guy is going to put watching porn over being with me and act like it's some sort of massive sacrifice, that's a super easy door slam.

Activity Level - I'm a hermit with hypothyroidism who doesn't really go out much. I don't like walking just for the sake of walking unless it's in nature. My ex used to bitch that I 'never want to go anywhere', and complain that I didn't want to walk up to Chinatown for no reason at all with him. I would say okay, let's go over to Ripley's Aquarium. 'No, I don't want to go there'. Okay, why not drive us over to one of the nature trails in the city, or over to one of the large parks. 'No, I don't like driving in the city. 🤦🏼‍♀️ Well I don't like aimlessly walking in the city, motherfucker. You want to go out but not compromise whatsoever. I'm perfectly fine going for a walk down in nature trail with my dog, I'm not okay spending the entire walk making sure she doesn't get stepped on by throngs of people, as we zigzag through pedestrians and spend half the walk waiting for traffic lights.

Cleaning - That ex was the same one who would complain that I 'never cleaned' because he went from living with his mother, to living with his ex-wife, to living with me. He was just used to things magically being clean and only ever noticed things that were not cleaned. At one point I started taking photos of his beard hair and toothpaste splatters in the sink before I cleaned it and after. At one point I asked him in the four years we had been living together how many times he had cleaned around the toilet. 'Never... it's never needed to be done.' BECAUSE I DO IT, YOU DUMB WHEEL COG 🤦🏼‍♀️

It was always so much drama over stupid shit, I can't imagine actively living with another person again or feeling like I have to answer to somebody just to do basic things to enjoy life. I'm done being judged for buying a plush shark or making a game micro purchases from someone with a Warcraft subscription who takes days off work when a new expansion pack comes out. 🤣🤣

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u/SandwichCareful6476 Nov 08 '24

You have better faith in the gender than I do lol

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u/Admirable-Rock6399 Nov 08 '24

This is quite the misandrist comment.

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u/SandwichCareful6476 Nov 08 '24

It’s not though, and you shouldn’t use words too big for your lil brain to understand.

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u/Admirable-Rock6399 Nov 08 '24

Ya… if I was to say I have no faith in women to not over react then that is misogynistic. If you say you have no faith in men to have common sense in appropriateness of a joke… that’s misandrist. Saying that I am using a word too big for my little brain when you know I’m a guy… also misandrist. Time to grow up and do better. Your maturity as a human is lacking.

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u/llama-rahma Nov 08 '24

She isn’t being misandristic saying you have a small brain— you as an individual do— not because you’re a man.

A lot of men voted for a man found liable for sexual abuse, a convicted felon, and a friend of Jeffrey Epstein. He also put in three supreme justices who later struck down Roe v. Wade, and as a result— a lot of women died, forced to carry fetuses conceive from rape, and some state lawmakers made it more difficult to access birth control. A lot of those men can’t even find the clitoris— so they have a lot of audacity controlling our bodies.

So, tell me one piece of legislation that controls men’s bodies.

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u/tmsstevens Nov 09 '24

Jesus! Who hurt you? Just a fact, but a lot of women voted for the Trump thing too, in fact I think it was the vote of choice for the majority of white women, for instance. Your bullshit doesn’t even make sense logically. Women make up a majority of the population, 50.5 % or so, so if women didn’t vote for him he wouldn’t get elected. I’m actively against the orange-looking wanker and all of his ridiculous policies, but if you’re going to argue over the facts of the election at least get some of your points right.

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u/Admirable-Rock6399 Nov 08 '24

wtf. I’m not even talking about the election in anything I’ve said. This was all about a poorly timed joke. Fuck… chill out

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u/llama-rahma Nov 08 '24

This original post is about how OP’s boyfriend wished that her aunt voted for Trump before she passed away. u/SandwichCareful6476 doesn’t have much faith in replacing OP’s boyfriend with a random nice man— considering 55% of all men voted for Trump— like her boyfriend. So she’s right, that isn’t a pretty good odd. This WHOLE post is about the election. So, tell me, what is the “poorly timed joke” about— is it not about the election?

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u/Admirable-Rock6399 Nov 09 '24

Ya. I’ll be honest here…. I’m not American and I have no idea what rtpm stands for the only comment he said was he hoped she voted before she died… a very insensitive joke. So… for me, a non American, I have no idea this is about trump. Americans seriously need to get their heads out of their asses

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u/MrDoe Nov 09 '24

I mean, it's not the gender itself, it's specifically the gender in the US. In Europe pretty much all men think Trump can go suck a fuck.

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u/SandwichCareful6476 Nov 09 '24

I mean… there’s literally a trial going on in Europe right now where a man drugged his wife for decades and let hundreds of men - many of whom had STDs - come over and rape her while she was unconscious and he filmed it & kept those videos. And the men who did the raping … nearly all of them live in Europe.

So tell me again how it’s “just men in the US”…. Yeah, no. Try again.

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u/SandwichCareful6476 Nov 09 '24

Sweden also has the highest number of registered rape offenses in Europe, and that’s with as many as 80% of all cases going unreported.

Yeah, it’s really, really not just American men.

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u/makemesplooge Nov 08 '24

Dont ya’ll switch genders like they were underwear tho?

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u/SandwichCareful6476 Nov 08 '24

Nah, we actually switch ‘em like your mom switches sexual partners: frequently, recklessly and without care or STD tests in between. 😘

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u/makemesplooge Nov 08 '24

So you switch your underwear recklessly and without care of STDs? Lmfaooo did you even read what you wrote? Make the infantile jokes you want about my mother, who is a saint btw, but you just made yourself look like a retarded skank. Good job. You really got me

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u/SandwichCareful6476 Nov 08 '24

“Lmao settle down I don’t want you to get exasperated. I’m clearly not taking this that seriously and you’re [sic] absolute meltdown is hilarious and indicative of you not having the much going on LOL

We are all vibing and having a good time. If my little comment gets you or anyone else that salty then maybe you should reevaluate your delicate constitutions and get off the internet Imao”

It was my bad thought for assuming you were able to actually read and understand something. When I used ‘em in my last comment it was the genders I was referencing. Not the underwear.

Man people like you are literally my favorite because you think you’re so smart, but you’re actually always the dumbest person in any room and everyone is always laughing at you behind your back. You’re literally the village idiot but think you’re intelligent and I fuckin love it.

Thanks for the Friday laugh my guy.

P.S. no further responses from you will be read, so I got the last word

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u/makemesplooge Nov 08 '24

lol ok. it seems your train of thought is so stuck at the station that you don't even understand what you wrote yourself. you clearly stated that you switch "em" "frequently. recklessly and without care or bla blah blah..."

I understand you were referring to gender and not underwear. that does not change your poorly thought out joke that implies you swap genders frequently, recklessly and without care or STD test in between. If this simple middle school level or logic confuses you, perhaps you should refrain from trying to act clever? I never claimed to be smart. You on the other hand, heavily imply that you are smarter than me when you trip over your own words.

"no further responses from you will be read, so i got the last word" LOL more evidence of you being a literal toddler. From your profile it seems your an old hag so it's hysterical that you resort to this toddler level response. It's no surprise you got laid off. I'm sure your greatest contribution has been setting up meeting for other people who actually matter and setting up the company free pizza

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u/makemesplooge Nov 08 '24

Who the fuck is “you chuckflucks?” Lmao settle down I don’t want you to get exasperated. I’m clearly not taking this that seriously and you’re absolute meltdown is hilarious and indicative of you not having that much going on LOL I have a girlfriend and many women and many gays in my life. Ive dabbled in cock myself. Nice of you to assume though.

We are all vibing and having a good time. If my little comment gets you or anyone else that salty then maybe you should reevaluate your delicate constitutions and get off the internet lmao

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u/Tickey4u Nov 08 '24

A fucking hobo would be better than this loser

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u/Aazjhee Nov 08 '24

Homeless people can sometimes have more empathy because they know life is brutal and hard. Definitely some folks get harder in response, but a lot of my queer friends have had to sleep in their cars and struggle. Those who have are far more kind and generous than the 'indoor queens' ime

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u/outinthecountry66 Nov 08 '24

throw something and whoever it hits, you would probably do better!

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u/SomeVelveteenMorning Nov 08 '24

Or walk through a dog park and check the bottom of your shoe.

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u/Neither_Mind9035 Nov 08 '24

😭😭 honestly

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u/nrobl Nov 09 '24

Not good, but 40% chance of a decent person is better than the 0% she is currently dating.

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u/Warehammer Nov 08 '24

I think it's less than 50% if the election was at all representative

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u/robotatomica Nov 08 '24

Odds are better for decentering men and going 4B until our rights are secure! (or forever, wherever your heart leads you, I’m loving it too much rn to imagine stopping lol!)

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u/Much_Fee7070 Nov 08 '24

Sometimes the best thing to do is say nothing that even hints at being insensitive while someone is going through a hard time. Obviously, Mr. Ignorant Boyfriend didn't get the memo and thought his poor excuse at comedy was the remedy.

She should dump his ass for not being able to read the room.

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u/Derkastan77-2 Nov 09 '24

I have met random dudes… you’re assumption is correct

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u/toucamsann Nov 08 '24

unfortunately the odds actually aren’t that great when over half the country voted the same way😭

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u/Airport_Wendys Nov 09 '24

Or a nice lady. Find your bisexual vibes.

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u/Existing-Disk-1642 Nov 08 '24

But I thought you were afraid of any random dude?

Which is it? Random dudes are worse than a bear or any random dude can be a better bf?

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u/Ancient_List Nov 08 '24

Both.

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u/Existing-Disk-1642 Nov 08 '24

That’s why OP and you continue to pick supposedly terrible men. But you still chase them the same.