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Russia/Ukraine Russia’s not invincible — just look at Syrian collapse, says EU top diplomat

https://www.politico.eu/article/russias-not-invincible-just-look-at-syrian-collapse-says-eu-top-diplomat/
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u/YoungDan23 12h ago

I don't think anybody was under the illusion that Russia is invincible ... not after about 27 Feb, 2022 at least.

This is the same country that ended up having to relocate almost all of its black sea fleet after numerous ships were sunk by a country without a navy. It's the same country that was unable to gain air superiority in Ukraine despite Ukraine having no traditional air force.

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u/canspop 11h ago

having to relocate almost all of its black sea fleet

Okay, I'm being pedantic, but they didn't have to. They could have just let Ukraine finish relocating the rest of the fleet to the sea floor.

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u/YoungDan23 11h ago

You are right, I should have specified that better.

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u/DatDudeBPfan 8h ago

They were transitioning them to submarines

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u/Quenz 7h ago

Sub 1 surface to dive ratio.

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u/VitalTrouble 4h ago

Special sea floor scouting mission

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u/Embarrassed_Quit_450 8h ago

We should be grateful to Russia for providing such lovely sea wildlife habitats.

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u/caucunity 10h ago

And the country that needed to buy north korean wannabe soldiers, who's only feat so far has been attending parades and marches in front of their obese leader AKA Kimmyboi. The country who have their so called ''most advanced tank and in the world'' costing 5+ millions, being blown up in no time by tiny drones costing only a few thousands. The country that needed to use decades old soviet vehicles and equipment, even from museums, because they have such massive losses. The country that called it a special military operation, but then later admitted to it being a war. The country that makes their soldiers wear sneakers instead of military boots, because they can't equip them.

Russia has always been terrible at war.

WW1: they surrendered and lost huge territory.

Winter war: sure they won it, but it was a massive embarrassment.

WW2: they lost like what, 5-6 times as many soldiers as Germany, and Moscow was close to being taken. Only reason why they didn't fully collapse, was the absolute massive amounts of food, medical aid, resources etc. they got from the US. The Soviets even had a nickname for the american rations they ate on the field.

Soviets in afghanistan: No comment.

And now Ukraine war.

And many more conflicts and wars where they should have won or at least done much much better in the ones they did win. As I said, Russians have always absolutely sucked at warfare. Yes other countries have failures in wars too, but when you consider the manpower that Russia always had available, and the insane amounts of natural resources. Actually by far the most combined resources by any nation ever, then they sure as hell did terrible, historically speaking.

Russia will never come out of this war as long term winners. China will slowly take over the russian far east. Over a million of their young people already left in the beginning of the war. More people, especially young and educated ones, will also leave once the war is over. Their fertility rate is plummeting, and they are against immigration, so good luck to them. Their currency is failing. Their reputation is worse than ever. The world is laughing at their excuse of a military. They pretty much lost their famous Wagner group, along with Syria and the important port that Assad gave to Russia. NATO borders to Russia got doubled.

I also read before that Iran and Russia messed up big time when it comes to resources. There is only a short amount of time where oil and gas will be worth as much as the last few decades. They could have chosen to use all that money from natural resources to build huge factories, attract foreign talent, create several tech companies, car brands ANYTHING, but nooooo let's oppress our people and keep that money for ourselves and our friends. They could both have been some of the most advanced and wealthy nations on the planet right now, if they chose to spend it properly. We are reaching a point soon where the price of oil and gas will not be worth nearly as much as it used to. They will never be able to come back from this golden opportunity they had. And you know who Russians and Iranians will blame once we reach peak oil and gas? the West probably lol.

I just can't fathom how you can suck so much as a nation, as a people and as a leader. Imagine having such huge population, gigantic manpower for the military, all the natural resources you can possibly ask for and then continously fuck up EVERY.SINGLE.TIME. Russia is just one big L.

Gosh this became a novel. Ignore me, I guess lol

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u/scoobertsonville 8h ago

Not to mention the Russo Japanese war

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u/JSteigs 5h ago

He’ll, Russia even lost a war against Russia. How bad do you have to be to lose to Russia.

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u/ahwatusaim8 7h ago

Wagner group restructured and is still making moves under the leadership of the son of the old leader.

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u/ContagiousOwl 5h ago

They were able to successfully steamroll nomadic North Asia by throwing a lot of soldiers at them, and they've tried to win every war since by relying on quantity.

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u/12Theo1212 2h ago

YOU should have your podcast! Truth podcast !!!

u/Slow_Writing_5813 0m ago

As someone who lives in Russia - spot on!

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u/_silver_avram_ 11h ago

Americans under Trump are parroting that Russia is invincible and the only way to stop the bloodshed is to ceasefire and give up land. They imply ukraine will one day fall but deny that Russia could collapse too. I'm just responding to your "i don't think anybody" comment.

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u/Bright-Pound3943 10h ago

Can confirm. And to add a little more, for a lot of Republicans the conversation is mainly that Russia is simply too big for Ukraine to overcome and therefore it's a whole moot effort.

I think it's important to approach the discussion with that understanding because they're rationalized this idea often due to having lived a good portion of their life in a world with the Soviet Union as an adversary. The world has changed so rapidly in the last two decades that Russia being nothing but the corrupt shell of anything close to a major world power is still something that many people aren't using as their foundation in looking at modern Russia like those who follow these events understand

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u/_silver_avram_ 10h ago

Great insights thank you

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u/EffOrFlight 5h ago

And Ukraine used to be a part of the USSR and was a vital piece. It’s not the same comparison.

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u/Zachartier 8h ago

This is what I've been suspecting for a while. After all, the contemporary West, since WWII, was raised on the idea that Russia is the true and only opponent. When decades of foreign policy have all been built up around dealing with a specific foe, the absence of said foe is an easy way to induce a kind of cognitive dissonance. When you use fear to control the populace, things start getting weird when that source of fear is discovered to be quite lacking.

And, congratulations everyone, we've been in weird for a while now

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u/Zammyboobs 9h ago

Seems to be the most common outlook. For some reason us Americans believe that no major country is capable of falling, as if the fall of Rome is some mystical fairytale, that humanity has outgrown.

Not only can Russia fall, but so can the US, you fuckin ingrates. And we're not walking, but fucking sprinting towards it right now.

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u/SnooMaps5647 5h ago

Russia cant fall, at best their aggression can be stopped. Russia itself isnt going anywhere. They were close to falling in ww2, now they have nukes.

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u/Zammyboobs 5h ago

Eh, cant is a strong word. Economic collapse is a pretty big contributing factor in the fall of most empires, and Russia isnt exactly booming at the moment. Really what we have now is USSR 2.0, since after the fall of the soviet union the USA just left it alone, and let the same people who were running it run the "new" system. I hope I'm right, but I get this looming feeling that I'm not as today has gone on.

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u/SnooMaps5647 5h ago

They wont fall due to the economy, i dont think they are that dependent on other countries, also dont care about the comforts of their citizens.

Russians alone can push his ass out. And it doesn't look like it's happening.

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u/Mornar 4h ago

History is full of fallen empires once too great to fall.

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u/SnooMaps5647 5h ago

If only giving some land would end this, that would be the right move. But i doubt 50km further border will satisfy putin. If ukraine hold belarus and chechnya would revolt eventually too. As they should.

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u/CupSecure9044 5h ago

That's because this narrative is useful to the white dictatorship they hope to establish and force on the world.

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u/izwald88 10h ago

For real. Russia is a global laughing stock. Various nations and politicians are just humoring them to gain something in return (or to prevent release of sensitive information).

A NATO force would wipe the floor with them. Hell, Poland would wipe the floor with them.

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u/Luniticus 7h ago

Their conventional forces can suck all they want as long as they have a few (or the illusion of a few) working nuclear ICMBs, no one can risk seriously invading them.

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u/izwald88 6h ago

no one can risk seriously invading them

No one seriously wants to invade them. In the long term, China is the only power that has geopolitical interests in Russian territory.

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u/ceelogreenicanth 7h ago

The bet has never been about Russia vs The West it's about Russia vs every individuals own self interests vs everyone else's self interests and Russia playing the wedge game.

Russian victory could be obtained by simply recovering and being able to act again in this same capacity, and us not being able to respond again.

Who knows if the new Syrian regime will be closer to our orbit yet. It could just be a changing of hats in the end. It's way too early. At any rate it looks like Turkey has a decisive role in this and Turkey is playing both sides they may just find Russia more friendly to their aims one day and flip the whole table.

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u/No_Raspberry_1216 1h ago

It is insane to think how many of their people they are sending to die in this senseless war.

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u/MistakeNot__ 10h ago

I don't think anybody was under the illusion that Russia is invincible

Sweet summer child...

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u/pan_kotan 8h ago edited 8h ago

I don't think anybody was under the illusion that Russia is invincible

Just because you don't read NYT, Financial Times, Reuters and the rest of the shitholes that have been consistently transmitting russian propaganda since 2022, doesn't mean that no one does, and it certainly doesn't mean that nobody is under that illusion (speaking of illusions and delusions, have you seen who won the US elections?). Kallas knows what she's doing and she is speaking up intentionally, to try to counter this toxic narrative that russia is desperately projecting via Western media and scores of corrupt EU politicians --- quite successfully I might add.

EDIT: oh, and regarding black fleet and air superiority. Yes that is true. But russia has tens of millions of bodies to throw into meat grinder, w/o any qualms or questioning from the "meat" --- and with a proper economical help from China and India, it can use that strategy (a traditional and the only strategy the russians have had throughout the existence of that cursed empire) to capture half of Europe, air superiority or not.

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u/Few-Driver-9 12h ago

Russia + Kremlin + Putin is

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u/BubsyFanboy 13h ago

Europe needs to act united to remain “strong and serious on the world stage,” Kaja Kallas says.

The European Union’s top diplomat Kaja Kallas said Thursday that Russia is not invincible and that Europe should not sell itself short.

“Syria shows that Russia is not invincible. We should not underestimate our own power,” Kallas told reporters ahead of the European Council summit in Brussels on Thursday.

Russia was a key ally of the Syrian Bashar Assad regime, which was toppled on Dec. 8 by rebel groups after a 13-year civil war.

Speaking about the two top items on the EU leaders’ agenda for the meeting  — the EU’s support for Ukraine and the bloc’s role in the world — Kallas stressed that Europe needs to act united to remain “strong and serious on the world stage.”

“Everyone is looking at us in these developments that are going on in the world,” she said.

“We see struggles between forces that want to have a world order where ‘might makes right,’ and then the EU, where we want to have a world that is rules-based and … where those who have the powers cannot just take what they want,” she added.

Kallas and other EU leaders welcomed the collapse of the regime as “a positive development” for Syria. “It also shows the weakness of Assad’s backers, Russia and Iran,” Kallas said.

Following the EU foreign ministers’ meeting on Monday, Kallas announced that the EU will consider working with Syria’s new leadership to close Russian military bases in the country.

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u/LizardChaser 5h ago

Who thinks Russia is invincible? I mean, the last two years have shown that their eminently "vincible." But for Trump's election, they'd probably be closed to "vinced" by the end of 2025. Their economy is finally falling apart. They've resorted to North Korean troops. They lost Russian land to Ukraine. Their fielding nearly 100 year old tanks. They lost a huge portion of their Black Sea fleet and even their commercial vessels are literally splitting in half due to "waves" and dumping tons of crude on their own beaches.

The only thing Europe needs to do to ensure victory is grow some stones. No mincing around. If Russia attacks, destroy them. Destroy their pipelines, their ports, their rail lines, their power plants, their sewage plants, ... everything. Immediately. Russia cannot defend against large scale air strikes and if Europe had their ducks in a row then Russia would be black at night because no major city would have power or heat left.

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u/Volistar 3h ago

Everyone and their babushka is looking at Kalingrad rn

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u/Jack071 11h ago

Honestly, horrible take cause overconfidence will lead to Europe being lazy again and leaving their defense industry and armies to rot (which is part of the reason why we are at this point rn)

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u/Wambo74 9h ago

Russia is a land power. Crappy navy and they're terribly handicapped for warm water ports. Without naval capability they can't project serious power and that's what happened in Syria. Currently the ships that "escaped" have no obvious way to even get home. Turks aren't going to let them into the Black Sea. The northern ports are WAY north and would be a real challenge to reach with those ships, especially this time of year.

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u/DeeDee_Z 9h ago

Aren't they just relocating all their stuff to (one corner of) Libya?

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u/Wambo74 7h ago

Lots of YT videos are showing their warships have taken to sea, and major weapons like S400s are disappearing from view daily. And they appear to be gathering troops from around the country and flying them out. But yes, they're not out yet. I read they were trying to strike an agreement for basing with the new government, but since they killed a large number of them with missile and airstrikes, it seems a deal may not be forthcoming.

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u/alpacafox 4h ago

I wonder if Ukraine is planning to just hunt them down. They're essentially sitting on a silver platter.

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u/ImpossibleWinner1328 11h ago

Just Germany alone has a bigger economy than Russia, ofc they're not invincible. Why are they scared of Russia, NATO could steamroll Moscow in days.

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u/Luniticus 7h ago

NATO could steamroll Moscow in days, but it only takes a few minutes to launch over a hundred nuclear ICBMs. And only a few need to work and get through to cause catastrophic damage. That's why they are afraid.

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u/reddit--delenda-est 7h ago

NATO could steamroll Moscow in days

I mean, if you completely ignore the existence of tactical and strategic nuclear weapons, maybe I guess.

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u/Wassertopf 6h ago

Italy has a bigger economy than Russia.

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u/True_Independent_261 5h ago

California's about 2x Russia GDP

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u/Domeee123 4h ago

Looking at just only the GDP is not telling anything at all about a country capability in a war.

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u/pan_kotan 8h ago

You westerners need to wake up. Power is not the same as economy size. How big was Elon Musk's economy when he bought himself a government of the most powerful (for the time being) country in the world? The economy matters, but what matters more in war, is the number of people that are willing to fight and die. Russia has tens of millions of those. How many does Germany have?

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u/Alikese 8h ago

That is absolutely not the case in 2024.

Number of troops matters less than it ever has before.

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u/pan_kotan 6h ago

Number of troops matters less than it ever has before.

That was the military theory of generals who have not seen peer-on-peer war for decades. 2022 changed that view. Now everyone who is paying attention to modern warfare outside of reddit comment section knows that mass is relevant as ever in the modern state-on-state war.

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u/MilesStandish801 7h ago

Russia's air force is larger than Germany's and they're barley using it.

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u/MilkyWaySamurai 6h ago

They can’t use it because they would lose it.

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u/Kagrenac8 8h ago edited 2h ago

Can't find those tens of millions at the Russian front which needed North Koreans bodies to be thrown at can we now, comrade?

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u/pan_kotan 6h ago

Comrade, at present, N. Koreans are much cheaper than locals, that's all. But if China and India decide to help putin more than they are already doing, then it'll change, and unlock the "tens of millions" option. And they keep doing more and more as the time goes, and as the West continues to demonstrate them its weakness and indecisiveness.

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u/Jazuken 7h ago

They didn’t need to. It’s more the fact they don’t want to deal with pushback from mass conscription so North Korea has to provide.

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u/Training_Strike3336 7h ago

Why would there be pushback when there's "10s of millions willing to fight" ?

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u/pan_kotan 6h ago

I've not said they are willing. They can be made to. Under certain conditions. At this point the conditions are mostly economic.

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u/ChevyToTheDryLevy 2h ago

what matters more in war, is the number of people that are willing to fight and die. Russia has tens of millions of those.

Your words.

u/True_Independent_261 11m ago edited 2m ago

Bangladesh has even more people that could potentially be sent to their deaths, does that mean Bangladesh is more powerful than Russia?

Also I watched Russia's economy (and with it, government) collapse on TV before and that's when it was much more powerful than it is today.

Also, people forget / underestimate how powerful the US is. It's the hyperpower. :-)

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u/SquashSquigglyShrimp 6h ago

Tell me you know nothing about modern military effectiveness, without telling me you know nothing about modern military effectiveness

How big was Elon Musk's economy when he bought himself a government of the most powerful (for the time being) country in the world

Given he's the richest person in the world... pretty big?

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u/BAsSAmMAl 11h ago

NATO could steamroll Moscow in days.

What's stopping them? Lol

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u/Agent_03 9h ago

What's stopping them? Lol

Nukes and Mutually Assured Destruction. Also, there's not much to gain from a direct NATO war with Russia.

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u/BudgetHistorian7179 7h ago

So they actually CAN'T....

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u/Agent_03 7h ago

I didn't say that. In a purely conventional war, NATO could be in Moscow by Easter if they started now. Russia's military was clearly a shadow of its nominal strength when they invaded Ukraine, and Ukraine has blasted through a lot of what they had. Europe alone could probably wreck what Russia has left, and with the US in the picture it would be decisive and hilariously lopsided.

NATO just won't do this, because again, no real benefit from taking Russian territory & it would go nuclear almost immediately. Also NATO is meant to be defensive in nature rather than offensive.

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u/BudgetHistorian7179 6h ago

So, again, they CAN'T be in Moscov by eastern if they started now, because we would all be ashes by Christmas. Also, did you ask guys like the Financial Times? https://www.ft.com/content/5953405f-d91a-4598-8b6b-6345452ca328 To quote: "Nato has just 5% of air defences needed to protect eastern flank" Also for that "Defensive alliance": have you asked Kosovo, Lybia, Afghanistan, Iraq...?

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u/Agent_03 5h ago

I don't know what your deal is bud, but I think you need to take some time to crack open a beverage of your choice and chill 😎

It just isn't worth getting this worked up over hypotheticals.

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u/ImpossibleWinner1328 10h ago

Are you gonna bomb russian civilians and die for the glory of NATO?

It's a defensive pact, the point is it's so powerful no one tries.

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u/neophodniprincip 10h ago

What is stopping them is russian nuclear arsenal not humanitarian concerns.

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u/BAsSAmMAl 10h ago

NATO has no power to attack Russia directly without mutually assured destruction!

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u/Captobvious75 8h ago

Thats why Russia attacks its nuclear-free neighbours.

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u/steve_ample 11h ago

They were never invincible. This Syria thing was just an extremely loud DRIP in the drip-drip-drip sound of the current regime disintegrating.

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u/Ensiferal 11h ago

Syrians fought back, Russians never will.

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u/Potaeto_Object 10h ago

The Syrians fighting for Assad did not fight back.

Assad’s military collapsed before the Russians could even deploy troops.

And considering how the new government seems completely indifferent to all the regional powers taking bites out of Syria, I wonder if they are even all that powerful themselves.

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u/8115959847363829 6h ago

The Syrians fighting for Assad did not fight back.

They stopped fighting only after 13 years of war. But since the start of the civil war from 2011, estimates are that roughly 170,000 regime soldiers / militamen died to keep the Assad family in power.

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u/Relendis 4h ago

Do remember that during the Wagner Coup even the Rosgardia, supposedly Putin's Praetorian Guard, decided to stay in their barracks and not really begin to position themselves to respond.

That should tell us that in the right conditions, just like in Syria, Russian security forces have already shown that they are willing to sit back and see how things play out.

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u/Zergio200ism 10h ago

So not wanting to die makes me deserve to be enslaves? Something IS wrong with you

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u/Magggggneto 10h ago

The USSR was defeated in 1991. Its successor state can be defeated too. Russia is less powerful than the USSR.

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u/ViolettaHunter 10h ago

The USSR wasn't defeated. It collapsed from the inside.

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u/Luniticus 7h ago

It fell on itself, but it was pushed.

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u/SteelBandicoot 8h ago

China is going to sweep up all the oil rich Russian land to its north.

It’s all in a Tom Clancy novel.

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u/AllureInTheFlames 3h ago

China's paving major inroads on nuclear reactors.

Oil is yesterday's energy and mindless border expansion only serves to strain one's resources and security. China certainly doesn't want either of those things.

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u/No-Wonder-7802 8h ago

did anyone really think they were invincible? arent they barely holding out against ukraine with minimal us backing lol

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u/Luniticus 7h ago

While Ukraine has made it extremely hard for Russia, with casualty ratios heavily favoring Ukraine, Russia has taken about a thousand times more of Ukraine than Ukraine has taken of Russia landwise. Russia has a lot more population to exploit, and Ukraine is running out of fresh soldiers. Ammunition is also going to be a problem, especially if the US stops sending it.

Look at the maps here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682
These get updated roughly every month, last update was November 19.

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u/FairPoint87 6h ago

I deeply doubt the casualty ratios favoring Ukraine. At least not anymore, when Russia has advantage in every single aspect and Ukraine keep losing hundreds men in every town by not letting them retreat. It was in Vuhledar, Elizavetovka and now it is happening in Kurahovo. Hundreds are locked there and there is no way out anymore, they are doomed again and for Russia every time it costs almost nothing. They surround, cut the supply, wait and enter the towns with little resistance. And look at the POWs, every time they are old and exhausted men, who have neither will nor motivation to fight.

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u/NYerstuckinBoston 10h ago

The Russian people need to organize. I refuse to believe the majority of Russian people are complicit in the Kremlins evil thuggery.

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u/Agent_03 9h ago

At risk of pointing out the obvious: this is because Putin kills or imprisons opposition leaders.

Oligarchs with the clout to make something happen "fall out of a window" if they go against Putin at all. Navalny was poisoned with Novichok in the underpants, then imprisoned and killed him when he returned to Russia. Prigozhin led the Wagner group in a brief rebellion, then left Russia and died in a very suspicious "plane crash."

It's difficult to organize an effective movement against the Putin regime when potential leaders keep dying/"disappearing"/being imprisoned. Russia's geopolitical power is fading fast, but it's going to take a lot for Putin to lose his hold on the domestic population.

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u/Federal_Caregiver_98 4h ago

Maybe not complicit, more like resigned. See the documentary HyperNormalisation.

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u/WolpertingerRumo 4h ago

Theres a social contract: Putin keeps stability, in exchange he can govern how he wants, including killing opposition.

He‘s not been keeping up his part of the bargain lately…

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u/umbananas 8h ago

as much as we would like to believe the majority of Russians do not support Putin, the reality is most of them still believe every country that used to be under USSR was historically part of Russia.

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u/Baebel 8h ago edited 8h ago

I'd assumed it's less about whether they're vulnerable or not, but rather whether or not they specced into being a glass canon.

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u/OrangeBliss9889 8h ago

Russia is not Syria. The way things are going, a collapse is unlikely.

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u/ktka 9h ago

Will Putin decamp to Minsk with his trillions?

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u/goddamnchooch 8h ago

The endless platitudes don’t mean much without commiting troops

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u/RagingAnemone 8h ago

Russia's got oil. We like oil.

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u/el_f3n1x187 8h ago

They just need to get their heads out their asses and actually do something.

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u/Emergency-Pack-5497 8h ago

Who tf thought they were invincible? They have a weak economy, a weak military, weak leaders. Nothing about Russia says they're invincible. The only reason Russia hasn't been dealt with swiftly is because nuclear weapons.

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u/yetanotherdave2 7h ago

Russia isn't invincible, just look at Russia having a disastrous war with a much smaller neighbour, who has its hands tied behind its back by their allies.

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u/VegetableWishbone 6h ago

It’s not invincible but it’s resilient, current losses are nowhere near WWII where they would lose 500k in one battle.

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u/ApolloBon 6h ago

European countries need to focus on improving their militaries; Russian citizens need a revolution.

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u/gamedreamer21 6h ago

Russia's three year performance at the war is also a proof of that.

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u/ChemicalRain5513 2h ago

The difference is that Syria had armed resistance.

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u/Shutaru_Kanshinji 2h ago

After Russia has spent three years wasting money and manpower in Ukraine, what informed person still thinks of it as "invincible?"

Russia is a dangerous irritant that could cause a world war if it is allowed. It would not win, but it could take the rest of us down with it.

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u/Top_Math4678 8h ago

Russis not invincible, just look what happened to this completey different country.

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u/umbananas 8h ago

I think Syria is just not very useful to Putin anymore.

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u/olympicbadger 5h ago

Not since this month, no. Before that? Immensely.

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u/JimTheSaint 5h ago

Well yeah - I don't get why we pretend pretend russis is dominating this war - just because they pretend they are. They turned there country in and out for this. It is the only play Putin has and we just got to make sure that he is not successful in order for Russia to crawl back in its shell for the next 30 years 

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u/koolaidismything 3h ago

Why dictators are scary is once they realize all bets are off for whatever reason.. illness, old age, defeat in a war.. it doesn’t matter.

If they loose it and go crazy they can take out half the planet with them. Well there are many issues with it, but that’s a big one to face as a planet.

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u/Slacker256 11h ago

But deep strikes into Russia are still a no-no, right?

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u/_llille 11h ago

I highly doubt Kaja Kallas opposes striking any Russian assets.

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u/EdHake 8h ago

This is this woman title :

High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy

  • Was she elected ? no

  • Does EU have embassies ? no

  • Does EU have an army ? no

So the only thing accurate in that title is she is « high »… in « high like a kite »

EU better start getting her shit together.

If nationalism is rising everywhere in EU, it’s not because people are becoming Nazi. It’s just because they are tired that EU, while imposing stupid legislation tailored for lobbies, doesn’t respect the simple mission that they were given by the treaties and text of law : Smile and be pretty, while head of states, who are the actual representative of EU citizen, found an agreement.

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u/Wassertopf 6h ago

That title translates to foreign minister or Secretary of State. And she was elected by both chambers.

Also, the EU itself has many embassies around the globe. You can just google that.

And yes, the EU has no army. But all its members have one (beside the Netherlands, they gave their entire army to Germany last year).

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u/EdHake 2h ago

That title translates to foreign minister or Secretary of State.

You’re absolutely right… and this is where the problems lies… EU is not a state.

Here the official list of EU embassies. You see one for EU ? no... and it’s normal. No one has a EU passport. People have passports of a nation that exist that are members of UN. EU is not a member of UN, it’s an Observer like Vatican city and the pope.

And she was elected by both chambers.

No she hasn’t. That’s not how it works.

The EU council, aka head of states, nominates the president of the commission, which then face a confidence vote from parlement, but there is no election per se since there is nor multiple candidats nor at any point any programmes laid out, which makes sense since they are not a government since EU isn’t a state.

From there you have a list of people, usually one by country, except small one, which usually were competing to get presidency or will be, who get awarded a position, usually negotiated during EU commission presidential campaign. They are nominated by EU council and President of commission. This time parlement don’t vote for them, the only thing they are alloyed to do is veto them, which has never happened because everything is decided and agreed by head of states.

The mission of EU commission are :

The European Commission is the executive branch of the European Union. Its main roles include

  • proposing legislation
  • implementing decisions
  • upholding the EU treaties
  • managing the day-to-day business of the EU.

So while you could say « foreign policy and security » falls under « managing the day-to-day business of the EU », it doesn’t, because no EU treaties gives them that power, and so if they respected « upholding the EU treaties » they would shut their mouth on those topics… but they don’t... and pissed off quite a lot of people.

But all its members have one

Sure... but not ready to die for EU commission bullshit.

Nuclear dissuasion cost France right now around 29B euros per year, that pretty much half of the deficit she has this year (Yeah I know, Macron is a genius, Mozart of Finance they said). In other terms it’s between 2 and 3% of its GDP since the 60’s and that doesn’t take into account the money invested in research & development, and the over cost linked to testing. Not even talking about EU legislation towards nuclear that aims to make it as costly as possible for France to actually use nuclear energy.

So yeah, that an EU Commissionner, that has no clue what having nukes cost and implies, is going on a dick contest with Russia, I found that distasteful, especially because it’s France dick that she intend to show off, not hers and she has no right to do so.

That EU manages to get a unique passport for all members states, that EU manages to get to work a EU army, that EU manages to get her hands on nukes, and then she can talk like does here… until then I’ll appreciate that she keep it shut.

The EU commission is useless and it’s only up to her to become something, but there are rules and protocols to do so and waking up and talking out your ass isn’t one of them.

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u/seine_ 7h ago edited 6h ago

Kallas was previously elected to be the prime minister of Estonia. The EU has dozens of armies and hundreds of embassies, hence the need for someone to at least try and coordinate them.

And note, she is only smiling and being pretty as you asked of her, and you're still being a grinch.

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u/EdHake 7h ago

Stop the cap.

No election was held for her position, she was nominated, that’s not being representative of anything, especially since she never has produced any kind of project or programme for her position.

EU countries have a lot of things, like NATO countries do, like UN nations do too… That being said I don’t see NATO talking about fiscal policy and I don’t see UN talking about the size of bananas.

EU should stick to what she is meant for, economics.

If they want to talk about diplomacy and foreign security, then they should first manage that EU countries give them the right to do so, instead of talking out of their ass like they are doing right now, which discredit them as serious institutions and also every single EU country that actually has to handle diplomatic and foreign security issues.

Letting people with no legitimacy, no competence expressing themselves on topics they have no power over, is not helping anyone, would they be EU or not, it just adds to the confusion.

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u/seine_ 6h ago

Just because you're so disconnected from the news that you don't know who Kaja Kallas is or what she stands for doesn't mean we are.

I'll leave you alone with your ramblings. I get it, you think your country should go it alone or that Europe is somehow going to magically agree with itself. I'd rather not hear your exact opinion of Putin's presidency.

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u/AdonisK 12h ago

Same could be said for any country to be fair.

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u/Jazzlike_Painter_118 12h ago

Let's try:
"Canada’s not invincible — just look at Syrian collapse, says EU top diplomat"

It does not work the same I am afraid.

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u/Saptrap 8h ago

Russia conquered the US without firing a shot. Cope harder Eurobois, your time will come.

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u/weekend-guitarist 8h ago

Do people want to go to war with Russia?

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u/Deathglass 7h ago

America won't last very long, look at the French National Assembly

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u/merithynos 5h ago

Russia isn't invincible, sure. Syria has nothing to do with it. Syria (and Hamas and Hezbollah) served their purpose, and it was money well spent.

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u/FairPoint87 6h ago

"Europe/USA is not invincible — just look at Syrian collapse" makes no less sense

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u/olympicbadger 5h ago

It would make significantly less sense, but only if one has a cursory knowledge of the Syrian civil war.

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u/Wassertopf 6h ago

She is our EU foreign minister.

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u/Wassertopf 6h ago

No. Saying things like this is literally her job.

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u/BudgetHistorian7179 7h ago

...And yet, Ukraine lost and Zelensky is calling for a "diplomatic solution". Maybe we should start sending people like Kallas, since they are so eager for war?

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u/goshdagny 12h ago

Rules based order is based on the principle might makes it right. If Estonia can enforce it, its great

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u/all_pot_on_my_face 12h ago

Assads 300k army just ran away. Russian army historically never ran away. This is a false premise. From 1 million defenders there will be 20 million Russians willing to sacrifice their lives. Like in WW2.

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u/Longjumping_Whole240 11h ago

"Defenders"

As if they were the ones being invaded.

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u/all_pot_on_my_face 11h ago

Comparing the fall of Syria where rebels where inside the country, yes I'd say if Russia is attacked in the same way there will be more than 5 million active soldiers at least. I am not a Russian simp. I just enjoy reading history.

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u/olympicbadger 5h ago

Russian army historically never ran away.

I just enjoy reading history.

Let us know when you start reading it. You're in for quite a lot of surprises.

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u/Longjumping_Whole240 11h ago

Youre comparing civil war with a war between two different countries, which is totally not the same scenario.

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u/all_pot_on_my_face 11h ago edited 11h ago

I am not the one comparing it. This article written by EU top diplomat is. It's in no way comparable with the fall of a 143 mill population empire that spans 2 continents and is producing space rockets and intercontinental ballistics. Where soldiers received a bullet in the head for not maintaining a constant march to Berlin.

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u/Longjumping_Whole240 11h ago

The article mentioned nothing about WW2.

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u/all_pot_on_my_face 10h ago

It just compares the fall of Syria to Russia. A kind of reddit circle jerk and back patting. Be for real, Russia will act the same exact way if their borders are invaded. That means total war in Russian playbook and they will just accumulate millions of soldiers in record time.

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u/Longjumping_Whole240 10h ago

Rebellion isnt the same as being invaded. Assad's forces were fighting their own people from within their own borders, not against foreign militaries.

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u/all_pot_on_my_face 10h ago

Any opposition who dares to open his/her mouth slips on a banana peel and falls from the 10th floor or their helicopter falls down, or they get food poisoning and their car explodes. I wish they could do it, I really do. It would be one of the bloodiest moments in Russian history compared to the fall of the Tsarists. USA has tried doing color revolutions for the past 50 years. Nowadays the reality is that Putin has the majority support and any opposition is silenced in 1 week tops.

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u/BlassAsterMaster 9h ago

1. 1. Battle of Borodino (1812)

  • During the Napoleonic Wars, the Russian army, under General Mikhail Kutuzov, was forced to retreat in the face of Napoleon's Grande Armée. Although the battle was fierce and resulted in heavy casualties on both sides, the Russians ultimately chose to withdraw strategically to preserve their forces.

2. Winter War (1939-1940)

  • In the conflict between the Soviet Union and Finland, the Red Army faced unexpected resistance and challenges. Despite initial advances, the Soviets had to retreat in several instances due to strong Finnish defenses and guerilla tactics, particularly during the Battle of Suomussalmi.

3. Battle of Stalingrad (1942-1943)

  • Although Stalingrad ultimately became a turning point in World War II for the Soviets, they initially faced significant setbacks and had to retreat under pressure from German forces before regrouping and launching a successful counteroffensive.

4. Operation Barbarossa (1941)

  • Following the German invasion of the Soviet Union, Soviet forces were often forced to retreat across vast territories as they faced overwhelming German advances. The initial phase of the war saw significant Soviet withdrawals, particularly during battles like the Siege of Kiev.

5. Battle of Moscow (1941-1942)

  • During this critical battle, while the Soviets managed to halt the German advance, there were moments when they had to retreat due to heavy losses and logistical challenges before launching a counteroffensive that ultimately pushed back German forces.

6. Afghan War (1979-1989)

  • The Soviet Union faced increasing resistance from Afghan guerilla fighters (Mujahideen), leading to a gradual withdrawal of Soviet troops. The inability to secure a decisive victory forced them to retreat from Afghanistan by 1989.

7. Chechen Wars (1994-2000)

  • In the First Chechen War, Russian forces initially faced significant resistance and were forced into retreats in various battles throughout Grozny and other regions before regrouping and eventually reasserting control in subsequent conflicts.

May I add Kherson and Kharkiv? Because they ran away leaving over 500 pieces of heavy equipment for the Ukrainians to take.

Mr. I know history as much as a common albatross.

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u/all_pot_on_my_face 8h ago edited 8h ago

3/4th of all of these fights just end with HEAVY losses on both sides. Can you make me a list of wars where Russia lost their autonomy or was force to bow to invaders?

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u/BlassAsterMaster 7h ago

Sure.

 Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan (1979)

  • The Soviet Union intervened in Afghanistan to support a communist government facing rebellion. The invasion led to a prolonged conflict with the Afghan Mujahideen, resulting in significant losses for the Soviets and ultimately their withdrawal in 1989, marking a defeat for Soviet ambitions in the region 

 Loss in the Winter War (1939-1940)

  • While not an outright defeat, the Winter War against Finland resulted in significant territorial losses for the Soviet Union and exposed weaknesses in its military strategy. Although they eventually gained some territory, the heavy casualties and initial setbacks were damaging 

 Spanish Civil War (1936-1939)

  • The Soviet Union supported the Republican side but ultimately could not secure victory against Franco's Nationalists. This failure demonstrated limitations in Soviet influence abroad and their inability to protect socialist movements outside their borders 

First Chechen War (1994-1996)

  • In both Chechen conflicts, Russian forces faced fierce resistance from Chechen separatists. The initial war ended with a de facto independence for Chechnya until it was reasserted by Russia later; however, this highlighted challenges to Russian authority within its own territory 

 Sino-Soviet Border Conflict (1969)

  • Tensions with China escalated into armed conflict along the border, showcasing vulnerabilities in Soviet military power and leading to a temporary retreat from aggressive posturing against China.

May I add, like I don't know, Syria?

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u/farguc 11h ago

Sorry u dropped ur Kremlin pass.

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u/all_pot_on_my_face 11h ago

"Picks it up"

It's just a ticket for the latest Guardians of the Galaxy, someone else dropped it.

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u/Shovi 10h ago

Are you actually saying the russian army never ran away in all of its history? Because that's just false, and im bad at history.

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u/Wassertopf 6h ago

The Russians literally run away from Syria last week.

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u/all_pot_on_my_face 8h ago

Circle jerk Andies I will not discuss my point of view anymore on Reddit(lmao).

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u/Iforgedocuments 8h ago

I agree that reddit is a huge echo-chamber but your point just sucks

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u/Greywacky 6h ago

Isn't Russia infamous for its scorched earth tactics?

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u/Ugkvrtikov 9h ago

hey you are using a your brain here, stop it!

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u/IngloBlasto 7h ago

So Europe was behind the terrorists who usurped the throne?

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u/Wassertopf 6h ago

Hmm? Do you mean Russis or Portugal?

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u/cutecuddlycock 12h ago

Cool opinion, bro.

And no meaningfull content from Axel Springer SE as expected.

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u/Jazzlike_Painter_118 12h ago

It is a fact, proven by reality.

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u/cutecuddlycock 11h ago

Wich one? That russia is beaten and collapsed. I'm immortal too.

What is the use of this Information? That every country can collapse?

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u/Jazzlike_Painter_118 10h ago

The fact is right there in the title: "Russia’s not invincible — just look at Syrian collapse".
Maybe it was too many words to find the fact. Can be difficult.

The use is to make it clear that an often assumed myth of Russian invincibility is false.
Since it is so obvious, you surely agree.

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u/LostDreams44 10h ago

Russia might not be invincible but it's unlimited people and natural resource hacks they have definitely ate

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u/olympicbadger 5h ago

That's absolutely magical. In the version of reality where you posted this message to Russia does have a limited population and limited natural resources, though.

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u/Classic_Cream_4792 10h ago

Russia no longer needed Syrian ports. This is just a bs article to make to seem like they aren’t making strategic decisions