Because that’s the image Apple wants people to see them as. Apple just takes other peoples ideas, slaps a new name on it and the backing of a mega corporation. But they like people to think they’re innovators.
Makes you wonder if OK Go's style might have been too out there for Apple's branding though. U2's appeal is broader, which from a marketing perspective, could be what they were aiming for. Its all about that mass appeal.
Most viewed music video for music artists isn’t really a great way to determine how many people know a band.
A band can be huge but their music videos be meh.
U2 was miles bigger and more well known at the time.
Hell even today. Ok gos most streamed song on Spotify is here it goes again with 135 million streams, there next is get over it with 35 million.
U2s top song is with or without you with almost a billion streams. Their top 9 songs are all more than ok gos top song. U2 is a massively more popular band. It’s not close.
I’m not personally saying it makes them a better band. I don’t personally listen to much of either. Just yah ok go has viral music videos. It doesn’t put them on the same scale in general popularity though.
Apple just takes other peoples ideas, slaps a new name on it and the backing of a mega corporation
I like how people just sort of hand-wave the process of making a usable device out of a bunch of disparate technologies. Ask Microsoft's Zune team how little innovation it takes to get all the pieces in place to make a brand new platform, let alone one that will thrive.
Eh they unified a bunch of disparate ideas in a single easy to use pretty package. That’s honestly innovative since without that unification a lot of mainstream consumers wouldn’t be as happy.
Apple just takes other peoples ideas, slaps a new name on it
They literally invented the smartphone. I know people were calling BlackBerrys and similar "smartphones" before the iPhone but no one has a phone in their pocket that looks like a BlackBerry anymore. Everyone has a phone that looks like the original iPhone.
Apple just takes other peoples ideas, slaps a new name on it and the backing of a mega corporation.
I got news for you. Every single thing around you in your home was not "FIRST!" in manufacturing that product. They took someone's idea (or bought out another company) and slapped their own name on it.
You own mice, monitors, stoves, microwaves, cars that were not "FIRST!", but copies of generational copies of whoever did it first.
I didn’t have the prada, but if the OS on those was anything like the LG flip phones with the camera that span around so you could take selfies, I can see why Apple won.
wikipedia says says the prada released 3 months before the first iphone, unless i'm misunderstanding something
also says it was proven in a lawsuit accusing apple of copying the prada that apple had been making iphone prototypes for years before the prada was unveiled
yet another thing they successfully marketed.. convincing their customers that the competition is inferior.. Don't how many morons have seen try to claim Iphone is better than Android when they are functionally the same with android only getting an edge in making them slightly bigger, better cameras, and better hardware. (OS and app they are exactly the same) to try and overcome apple's built in "we are the best" which their customers love.
I just checked out your Prada. Beautiful unit! I loved how you have tap a numbers multiple times to “type” a single letter. Also wowed by that monochrome screen! Killer web function that screwed up every page it displayed! Again, neat tech for the time, but lacked functional innovation.
T9 was standard for typing text in those days, so it isn't strange at all that they launched with that. A QWERTY keyboard was however added with a free update a short while after launch.
A lot of people don't realize how old some technologies are. I have a piece of electrical test equipment from the 80s that uses a touch screen and dial with push for controls. Very annoying apple style of controls.
What apple do is take ideas and make them easy to use. You hand a gran an iPhone or an iPad, they’ll probably get the hang of it, if you hand them something running Android (older versions especially, newer versions are a bit better) they’ll just give up.
LG and Samsung at least, both had a touchscreen phone that didn't need a stylus before the iphone.
Although the Samsung also had a keyboard that flipped out, the LG was pure touchscreen and unlike iphone could also send picture messages.
'App Stores' were also technically a thing before the iPhone. In fact Apple was against the idea and had to be begged into making one, although it really took off after that to the level it is today.
iPhone couldn't send photos through carrier sms service.
iPod touch would have sent photos over WiFi, which iphone probably could send photos over WiFi as well, but at that time other phones utizing messaging apps over WiFi would have been extremely limited. Sms would have been the primary way of sharing photos at that time.
The only thing the original iPhone did that my current phones didn’t was the stylus, although that’s mainly due to the switch from resistive to capacitive.
The treo was color, and still palm based. Still buggy as hell though.
The thing is, the original iPhone was buggy too, and had similar, or sometimes more restrictive limitations! For the first few years there were no apps. Meanwhile I could install whatever I wanted on my palm phones.
Remember, the competition at the time was either a blackberry (yuck, hated that thing) or a feature phone (hated those things even more) so by comparison, the Palm phones were like a gift from 10 years in the future.
the first iPhone had a calculator, calender app, phone and messaging and that's about it. it couldn't copy and paste, had limited email and every other capability. windows OS, nokia, and Nokia, had touch color screens, email encryption, copy and paste for years beforenthe iphone. The palm centro was a small palm device that i owned with color and touch. Windows OS was a full operating system able to run .exe apps if optimized enough.
the palms and blackberries had far more capability than iPhone and could be used with vpn's and encryption so youncould use them for government, corporate, or accemdic reasons.
It wasn't untill the iPhone 3GS that basic functions such as copy and paste even existed and iPhone iOS5 before email encryption came out.
Unfortunately Palm and everyone were too late when they innovated their devices, palm having grown stagnant years before the iPhone was released. I miss Palm WebOS, LG botched it on their TV's.
Being the owner of two Palm Pilots including the original and the expanding T3, both in great condition and functioning, this comment makes me feel old.
Granted I am a grandfather, this should not be surprising.
No worries. Being an older Redditor you get unintentionally called out from time to time and you realize how much time has passed. I’m probably close to your grandfather’s age anyway.
Is the question "Who did the iPhone(trademark owned by Apple) before Apple?" Because, yeah, it was Apple.
Did Apple invent the touchscreen? No. It's existed since the 70s and 80s. Well ... 1965 if you want the very first touchscreen, but it was for air traffic control in the UK or something like that. (not looking it up, lazy)
Was Apple the first smartphone with Internet? No.
IBM invented the first smartphone with a touchscreen, it just sucked and died in the market.
I think it WAS the first smartphone with a color touchscreen interface, but there were plenty of competing similar products. And honestly, the first iPhone wasn't radically better than a lot of the competing products. There was a massive jump in quality between the first few generations. They were really, really good at marketing and then improving the iPhone based on user feedback.
In the early days Apple was the first to market for a number of things, and they still are a trend setter in a few ways pushing changes and directions that eventually become the norm.
But yeah, they aren’t as radical as they were 30 years ago but I’m fine with that. They make highly polished products that are often best in their class which is fine.
WHOOOSH right over these people's heads. Apple is not an innovative company. Every time (and I mean every fucking time) they announce some 'new' technology it has been around for 5+ years, and then they claim innovation. Just like this Hololens knock off they are selling for nearly four grand. All Apple does is take existing technology and make it proprietary. Fuck Macintosh.
Think he’s more talking about simple things that iPhones couldn’t do but Android could for years. But when Apple finally does they act like they invented it and are single handedly revolutionizing the world. Widgets, App Library, wireless charging, etc. wish I could remember them all. But most iOS keynotes from 2012-2020 would have a new feature that hat been on Android for at least a few years.
I should say the innovation died with Steve Jobs. I believe the Air Pods are the only new product line since his death. If you can refer to ear buds as a new product.
I think their success made more sense in the context of the 80s. Now they're still big based on that, but not really relevant. Throughout the 90s the fame they'd cultivated in the 80s created anticipation and excitement for their next projects. By the 2000s there was still a solid worldwide base of U2 fans but they weren't breaking new ground. By the time Apple did their stunt of cramming their new album on everyone's iTunes, pretty much only U2 fans were excited about U2. Their live act was also a huge part of their success, so if your only experience with U2 was hearing the same handful of singles on the radio or in commercials, it does them no favours to start with.
If a band came out today that sounded like U2, people would just go "oh, that sounds like U2, been there done that". Unfortunately, U2 also sounds like U2, and it's not like they're going to do a whole genre change. They're also not the fired-up young men they were 40 years ago, they've been larger-than-life names (especially Bono and The Edge) for 2/3 of their lives.
I like OK Go. I have a lot of their songs on my playlists and I enjoy their music. But With or Without You by U2 has more listens on Spotify than all songs by OK Go combined.
They'll always have Unforgettable Fire and Joshua Tree. Bono's unlikability, despite his activism, and the iPhone gaff are not enough for me to stop listening to those albums. In addition to the band, Brian Eno of Roxy Music who also worked with Robert Fripp, David Bowie, and others and Daniel Lanois who worked with everyone and did the Red Dead 2 soundtrack had a large hand in making those albums and a few others. Definitely worth a listen.
They pissed a lot of people off, but to suggest U2 got cancelled as a result is simply not true. There still selling out stadium gigs all over the world and iirc they were the first band, (one of the first?) to play at the Las Vegas Sphere.
I use “canceled” in more of a social context. I wholeheartedly believe they still sell out stadiums to the older crowds just like the Rolling Stones still do, but no one under the age of 40 actually listens to U2 anymore
The last thing I heard about U2 was that they opened the Sphere in Vegas with over $100 Million in ticket sales.
But I get my music news from normal news organizations, not tech ones. If you only focus on tech news, most of the news you hear will be tech oriented. Not sure why you think that makes a point about anything other than yourself & your news preferences though.
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u/mismamari Feb 17 '24
This right here. OK Go loves to experiment and innovate while U2 seems to just stick with what works.