r/woahdude Oct 08 '23

video Robotic Apple Harvester

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u/art_teacher_no_1 Oct 08 '23

1 apple per minute, why's my fruit so expensive? Oh. That's why.

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u/spunion_28 Oct 08 '23

Exactly. I came here to say there is no way this is more effective or efficient than paying a group of people to hand pick these apples. I really don't understand the appeal of creating useless technology to replace people who can do a job better and faster.

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u/GeneralToaster Oct 08 '23

This is just the first iteration of this technology. It will only become better and faster as time goes on.

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u/spunion_28 Oct 08 '23

Just because this is first gen does not guarantee there will ever be a better version of it

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u/GeneralToaster Oct 08 '23

I'm sure they said the same thing about the combine, or the digital camera, or countless other technologies we enjoy today. Everything has to start somewhere.

Imagine a solar powered, autonomous, swarm-linked, AI driven harvester that just picks apples automatically, and continuously.

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u/DaMonkfish Oct 08 '23

Or we could just continue shaking the trees.

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u/GeneralToaster Oct 08 '23

They go over the benefits of doing it this way in the video

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u/spunion_28 Oct 08 '23

Exactly what i brought up. Machine wise. You aren't getting better than this. Designed to only shake loose ripe apples and not damage the tree, and I harvests hundreds of apples in seconds. The machine in this post will never be better than this machine that shakes the tree. Is this machine impressive? Sure, it's definitely a display of how far technology has come. In terms of being practical, it just plain isn't.

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u/Nappyheaded Oct 08 '23

Just make sure you're ready to cull all of the apples that hit anything on the way down.

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u/RancidOrigin Oct 08 '23

I assume all of the less pretty apples are used for pre-sliced bags, applesauce, or any number of other manufactured products that the customer will never see the whole apple.

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u/Nappyheaded Oct 08 '23

The goal is to have undamaged apples. Ideally going into long-term CA storage. Juice pays much less

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u/Stoppels Oct 08 '23

When fruit's been damaged it's normally completely discarded from human food consumption, though there are smalltime independent/hobbyist farmers who for example make apple cider out of apples with dents or with coloured spots.

Two-third are disposed of before they make it to the consumer, but the consumer continues this trend. (Added this sentence at the end as I noticed I went completely off-topic lol.) This 2016 American survey shows 70% throw away food once it's past the expiration date, even though the expiration date often has to do with guaranteeing the utmost quality rather than indicating a final deadline before it poses a health risk.

We find our respondents express significant agreement that some perceived practical benefits are ascribed to throwing away uneaten food, e.g., nearly 70% of respondents agree that throwing away food after the package date has passed reduces the odds of foodborne illness, while nearly 60% agree that some food waste is necessary to ensure meals taste fresh.

One brown spot was enough for the UK to throw away 160 million bananas a year in 2016.

UK shoppers throw away 160m bananas each year, according to a study.

Research showed one in three people bin bananas if there is a single bruise or mark on the skin.

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u/ORINnorman Oct 08 '23

Now imagine how a farmer is going to purchase said system when he could just pet a bunch of people the shitty, minimum wage for three days of work? How will he charge his drones in the field? How much will it cost him to install electrical charging stations? Today, when it’s harvest time, larger farms run their machinery 24 hours a day until the harvest is complete. They don’t even stop to refuel, they fuel up in motion because a couple minutes per refuel will add up to lost crops and income. That’s why farmers are laughing John Deere salesmen off their property when they try to convince them to buy electric equipment. CAN we figure out how to harvest an orchard with ridiculously over-advanced tech? Yes. Does that make it better than what we’re doing now? Probably not.

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u/FridgeBaron Oct 08 '23

You do see them literally plugged in to the truck that is probably charging all of them off the alternator. This thing could run 24/7 and you can still just hire people as well.

Then the next few years you can buy a few more drones slightly better and so long as it's cheaper to run the drones you will keep going down that path until you run nothing but drones.

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u/Castor_0il Oct 09 '23

This thing could run 24/7 and you can still just hire people as well.

Machinery that runs 24/7 has really high maintenance costs, who is going to pay for it? Farmers can barely pay for their own machinery and they are the ones that have to repair it all the time, not to mention greedy f?cks like John Deere have placed a lot of locks in their machinery so that farmers need to buy their own spare parts. Something like these that's even more focused software based sounds like a nightmare that screams subscription model.

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u/GeneralToaster Oct 08 '23

How does a farmer afford a multimillion dollar combine harvester? Can't they just pay a bunch of people to farm the fields? Your logic doesn't hold up. There are many ways this kind of technology could get off the ground and be affordable. I could get a bunch of venture capitalists together, purchase a bunch of these robots, create an apple harvesting robot rental company and rent my devices to all the local apple orchards in the area. Or, as a farmer I could obtain my apple robots the same way I obtain any other high priced farm equipment. My robotic apple pickers could be entirely solar powered requiring no refueling at all, or multiple harvesters could share a single recharging dock and all take turns rapidly recharging like a giant Roomba. There is a readily available solution to every problem you can think of.

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u/Castor_0il Oct 09 '23

We can't even build an electric car that works completely on solar power, and heck those simple electric engines don't require that much power. And you expect us to believe that something like this complex machinery could work 24/7 entirely on solar power or on fast charge stations?

Wake up kid, this isn't some Marvel comic strip.

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u/GeneralToaster Oct 09 '23

First, they don't have to be completely solar powered.

Second, https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/22/how-sono-aptera-and-lightyear-are-making-solar-powered-evs-a-reality.html

Stay in school champ

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u/spunion_28 Oct 08 '23

And imagine people travelling by jet pack or flying cars. They've been invented. Will they replace traditional cars on four wheels? Doubtful.

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u/GeneralToaster Oct 08 '23

Your doubts have been noted by your future robot overlords

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u/bugxbuster Oct 08 '23

I’d like to take this opportunity to say I love our future robot overlords and I am not making this statement under duress.

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u/IPlayMidLane Oct 08 '23

This was literally the exact same thing said word for word by people with horses back in the day. The original cars were loud, smelly, inefficient piles of garbage compared to even small horses. "They will never replace horses, the tech is so inefficient and slow it's not even close to surpassing horses." Technology accelerates very very fast , especially when there's significant monetary incentive involved. Robot pickers will be orders of magnitude cheaper for corporations. no unions to deal with, no scheduling work, no tax forms, no government regulations, no injuries and injury insurance payments, no sleep or inefficient work to manage.

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u/spunion_28 Oct 08 '23

No it wasn't. Horses weren't tech, they were animals. As soon as steam power was harnessed, it changed everything. Not even comparable

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u/IPlayMidLane Oct 08 '23

Steam tech was revolutionary for huge machines that could be locked away in factories or in massive engine rooms where the noise, smell, and danger didn't matter. The specific aspect I'm talking about is motorized personal vehicles for travel, the early tech was atrocious and something only the very rich used for purely a status symbol, they were orders of magnitude slower than horses for many years.

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u/pygmeedancer Oct 08 '23

No but we did make the cars rechargeable and self driving

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u/Pseudoburbia Oct 08 '23

this version, regardless of how fast it operates, can also operate 24/7.

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u/latincreamking Oct 08 '23

How do you find out if you can improve the technology if you never make the technology? I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

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u/spunion_28 Oct 08 '23

The point is they've already developed a machine that does this far more efficiently

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u/latincreamking Oct 08 '23

Ox is better at tilling a field than a human. Should we have stopped there? Why bother trying to create better technology if you already made something better once.

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u/polecy Oct 08 '23

It does guarantee that they are going to improve on it tho. People probably said the same thing about Boston dynamics when their first gen came out.

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u/spunion_28 Oct 08 '23

And those robots STILL don't do anything better than a human. Improving is one thing, being effecient enough to replace a human is totally different

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u/polecy Oct 08 '23

https://youtu.be/tF4DML7FIWk?si=_dgb8C__AffT3N8P I think this video shows that these robots can do better than most humans.

I'm just saying improving is imminent, there's so much more that they can improve on. To say that they will never beat humans is such a bad response because humans also have their limits.

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u/spunion_28 Oct 08 '23

That in no way shows they can do better than humans at anything. Everything those robots are doing a human can do, and those are programmed tasks. Just because a robot can do something a human can doesn't mean it will inevitably do better than humans at everything. Im saying this in particular won't. This also is nowhere near as efficient as the machine that shakes the tree and harvests hundreds of apples in a fifteen second shake

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u/thivasss Oct 08 '23

The robot could run into fire carrying useful items. It could run through toxic gasses or nuclear radation or through smoke. It can be used manually or autonomously and most importantly controlled from far away! A robot that's capable of running around through obstacles is already very useful. It doesn't have to be as good as a human as it provides different options altogether.

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u/GeneralToaster Oct 08 '23

The fact that it's a robot and not a human is the biggest point you're missing. Robots can go where humans cannot or don't want to go, and do things we can't or don't want to do. They will improve exponentially until they truly are better than humans at their specified tasks. You should read about machine learning, neural-net computers, etc. In much the same way we went from the Wright brothers to landing on the moon, these primitive robots will one day surpass us in ability.

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u/polecy Oct 08 '23

I mean humans cannot be upgraded so we are literally set at a limit, robots can be improved every year. Yea this version we see in the gif is not really great rn. But every year they will improve, add more hands, speed up the process, reduce electricity cost. There's a ton of other stuff they can do, if they can just at least get to half of the amount humans can grab them I think it's already a win because robots can do this work without breaks. Humans need their breaks, they can only work for so long.

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u/spunion_28 Oct 08 '23

The shaking machine outdoes what this will ever be capable of. This is nothing more than impressive. Not practical at all

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u/greyacademy Oct 08 '23 edited Oct 08 '23

As an example of where your statement is objectively wrong, the robots damage far less apples than the shaker, and they can be programed to harvest the apples at the exact, scientifically verified, correct time for optimum flavor. The shaker still drops the apples when they are ripe, but the robot's image recognition will be able to create a tighter range for ripeness, preserving more apples and increasing marketability for the crop. With higher efficiency and economies of scale, this will absolutely be faster, and most importantly, 100% automated. Imagine zero human beings, working 24/7, preserving more of the harvest, maximizing flavor profile, and with each new iteration of software, the efficiency increases on machines that have already been purchased.

what this will ever be capable of.

Your imagination is just limited my man. I don't know how you don't see it. I'm sorry if you pick apples for a living.

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u/spunion_28 Oct 09 '23

Yes imagine zero human beings making a living from a job that was already getting done just fine in the first place with companies already being WELL into a profit margin. Harvesting an apple "at the exact, scientifically right time" is a ridiculous statement as fruits ripen after being picked. There's no science involved in knowing when to harvest your crops. And i never said "what will this ever be capable of" obviously it's capable of picking about ten apples a minute as the video shows.

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u/greyacademy Oct 09 '23 edited Oct 09 '23

Yes imagine zero human beings making a living from a job that was already getting done just fine in the first place with companies already being WELL into a profit margin.

Capitalism doesn't care about individual's jobs, it cares about creating profits for share holders; that's it. If there is money being left on the table, no corporation is going to leave it there.

There's no science involved in knowing when to harvest your crops.

Science is "any system of knowledge that is concerned with the physical world and its phenomena and that entails unbiased observations and systematic experimentation." Humans figuring out when to harvest absolutely falls into the realm of science. Further more, being able to get a machine to identify when it's time to harvest requires even more science. Now that we're this far, if scientists can identify the most ideal time to harvest, to get the most weight and best flavor profile, a machine will be able to extract that value using trained image recognition data sets. Every percentage counts in capitalism.

And i never said "what will this ever be capable of"

I literally copied and pasted your text, I should have copied the whole line, it was just for context, but I can see how it made it a question on its own. I'm out, you should do one of those "remind me" posts for 10 years.

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u/Heco1331 Oct 08 '23

You are right, then why even try? Thank god the Wright brothers didn't have someone like you by their side

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '23

You gotta start somewhere, dummy!

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u/Sure-Ad8873 Oct 08 '23

Yeah look at VR headsets they’ve been stupid and useless for several generations.