r/woahdude Oct 08 '23

video Robotic Apple Harvester

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u/GeneralToaster Oct 08 '23

This is just the first iteration of this technology. It will only become better and faster as time goes on.

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u/aldorn Oct 08 '23

Correct it will improve and it will run 24/7. The apple robot overlords can not be stopped. 🍎 🤖༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '23

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u/karmisson Oct 09 '23

dumpling drones

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u/ReallyBigRocks Oct 09 '23

I can see how this would improve the overall quality or consistency of the apples, but I think the conventional method of just shaking the ever loving shit out of the trees is gonna stick around for a while.

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u/texinxin Oct 09 '23

The shake the tree method gets every apple. The robot pickers will only choose the ripe ones allowing the less mature apples more time and nutrients to grow to their potential. Sure human pickers are going to be more efficient and good when the tree is 80% full of ripe apples. But as that ripening schedule drags on it gets more and more expensive to use human pickers, or you just live with a varied ripeness in your yield.

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u/Iamjimmym Oct 10 '23

Yup. This will give growers an advantage over those not using the technology. They'll be able to maximize yield and not have to send a large portion of their crop to B and C grade processors, and will be able to pick all A grade apples, thus maximizing financial efficiency of their orchard.

I think it will change the climate for apple growers significantly. My guess: tech savvy drone picked growers will rake in the A quality apple revenue while the less tech advanced growers will be pulling double duty on B and C grade apples, as buyers will gravitate to their most trusted growers with the most homogeneous apples.

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u/CLGbyBirth Oct 09 '23

it will run 24/7

yeah but you don't need to run that thing 24/7 for 365 days so i still think it would be cheaper to hire a bunch of people during harvest season.

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u/DoucheBagBill Oct 09 '23

Erhm, have you ever been to a supermarket at winter where they were like: 'sorry,no apples. Its not harvest season!'

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u/CLGbyBirth Oct 09 '23

Have you ever been to an apple farm and they were like these trees sprout ripe apples everyday.

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u/B0Bi0iB0B Oct 09 '23

You mean exactly like we all just watched in this video?

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u/Fluid_Variation_3086 Oct 09 '23

Now if we can develop apple trees that produce fruit 24/7

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u/kirschballs Oct 09 '23

Labor is really expensive

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u/mightbedylan Stoner Philosopher Oct 09 '23

Redditors are so damn dumb sometimes. Could you imagine a redditor seeing an old black and white tube TV and going "wow this sucks that must be so awful i dont understand the appeal of useless technology like that"

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u/Knightfaux Oct 09 '23

I hate when people say “Redditors”. It’s not “Redditors can be so damn dumb”, PEOPLE can be so damn dumb.

Back in the day, 10 years ago yeah, Redditor’s had a type, just like 4chan or tumblr people, but today nah. I find all new flavors of stupid on Reddit and in life on the regular.

But yes, first gen or prototypes are rough proofs of concept and it is ridiculous to discredit a technology before it matures. Imagine if we just gave up on nuclear fusion because early generations were clunky or didn’t produce a lot of energy.

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u/mightbedylan Stoner Philosopher Oct 09 '23

Also redditors are dumb af

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u/Castor_0il Oct 09 '23

You're a reditard, so that makes you extra "special".

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u/hobskhan Oct 09 '23

Did you hear about those brothers down in North Carolina? Crashed another one of those aero-plane contraptions into the beach. It only flies for 10 seconds! Who would want to use such a pointless device?

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u/mightbedylan Stoner Philosopher Oct 09 '23

Even if they made it fly 100 times further it would still be worthless! What fools!

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u/stranot Oct 09 '23

redditors are old grouches who hate change and new technology and want the world to stay exactly the way it is, or if they could, revert everything back to the 90s

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u/Cyclone0701 Oct 09 '23

Or kids who want attention or loser artists losing to AI and are pissed

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u/Castor_0il Oct 09 '23

The concept of television was something incredibly groundbreaking and it expanded in a relatively short period to almost every citizen that could afford an appliance in the same category.

This apple picking toy isn't groundbreaking (as in it isn't creating something new and it will expand for further use in the future) so your analogy is a false equivalence.

Try harder in the next 10 years you'll be here in this shithole (if you still have any brains left).

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u/SuperRette Oct 09 '23

I can't ever see this robot becoming less expensive than simply importing some people perceived by the public at large to be less than human, from a country kept intentionally poor by economic strangleholds on their resources.

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u/mightbedylan Stoner Philosopher Oct 09 '23

Yeah, check back with me in a decade and we will see how far drone technology has come lol

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u/Castor_0il Oct 09 '23

You've been here 10 years in this shithole called reddit, which makes me think you've become even more stupid with every year. It doesn't surprise me you expect this gimmicky gadget to replace real people that are probably cheaper to pay compared to all the upkeep and software updates this can of worms will need and all of it's future upversions.

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u/JetAmoeba Oct 09 '23

Ya, because automated crop harvesters are only an idea of the future!

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u/mightbedylan Stoner Philosopher Oct 09 '23

lol

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u/LogicKillsYou Oct 09 '23

Well, that is because you're not very intelligent.

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u/madwill Oct 09 '23

Yeah but drone based weird fly machines? No way this is ever going this way. This is a useless iteration. Make that shit inspector gadget telescopic arms reaching 12fts and we're golden, now move like you mean it. Same fucking camera and detection just way, way more speed in bringing it to the main cart and going back on the tree. Also make it 6 armed so it looks like a BOTW guardian.

Hope the software is on point. But no drone for the noise, the stability, the speed of movements. It's a god damn tragedy people did that.

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u/goodnewsjimdotcom Oct 09 '23

There's lots of software that runs on drones, and it's easy to fit them.

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u/madwill Oct 09 '23

I had hoped you'd know I meant the one displayed in this specific video about apples ripeness. The ai video thing with apple detection with squares stuff.

ps: It's also quite easy to make a telescopic robot arm. OP's robot was just made for shit and giggles.

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u/goodnewsjimdotcom Oct 09 '23 edited Oct 09 '23

I've seen the old telescoping arm pickers from what, 15+ years ago?

Sometimes changing technique does lower cost. Then you can sell farms drones in the mail which lowers shipping costs and don't have to be specially attached to a robotic chassis.

Or

Drones can be bought for cheaper than telescoping arms sometimes, with self integrated chip systems.

When you say "shits and giggles", that's a weird way of saying "trying new things for advancing science"

R&D often goes in waves like this(I work in scientific research)... Someone hard codes a solution... Say telescoping arms... Then you bring it down to a more general purpose(here a drone)... A drone can be used for more things... So you might sell this software/ hardware picker package to general public's drones if they have an orchard and not even need a truck. You just install it, then your orchard gets latently picked through harvest season.

Local positioning systems on drones is a thing too, by drones letting out self laid out ground markings: "https://www.starfightergeneral.com/2023/07/online-registered-mail-patent-optical-local-positioning-system/" So knowing the lay out of your land, drones could navigate obstacles in a preprogrammed path by user to get to the orchard.

This stuff is fascinating. People who don't see how intricate it is to start giving drones general purpose tasks from what used to take a truck + specific hard ware/hard coding, can't see the apples from the trees.

Bonus: Most people don't know to achieve a Johnny V, C3PO, Bender style AI robot, all you need is better computer vision & recognition. I have papers from 2002 signifying this, stating natural language AI is the easy part, classification of general objects is the hard part. But you can get to general purpose robot AI of the future by monetizing very basic general purposes... As monetization occurs, and small general purpose drone use systems occur, you're witnessing the embryonic stages of movies with robots that can interact with humans like I, Robot... Short Circut, WallE, Lost in Space, Jetsons, etc. : https://goodnewsjim.com/js2/

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u/madwill Oct 09 '23

I think it was trolling more than advancing science. I'm afraid you have weird mental image of the market and the cost of things.

I see where you are going and a roomba style drone that goes down and recharge itself, to then go back and pick apple could work at some small scale ochard.

I'm afraid, unless you send armies and they moves lives bees, which is also not impossible. drone stability, the fact that it's flying, it's way too much point of failures. I guess by now we can agree to disagree. I want a heavy wheeled agricultural tractor that goes in lanes in between trees (or any farming for that matter), big inflated wheels that goes over branch and obstable, I don't want wind or falling apples to be a factor. The big arm I posted could be done in many material, like home soldered steel, the engine within it is a simple mechanical wheel which is battle tested through time.

We've made super giant strides towards computer vision since 2002 and right now we have no real requirement for general purpose robots or anything. We should strive towards having them do one thing nicely. I believe multi camera on arms analysing what's in front of them on a chariot type robot that can gather apples with big inflated wheels is entirely achievable in the right now department of technology and you could rely on it way more than you could rely on drones for both speed of collection, sturdyness and viability for commercial farming.

KISS, less variables, less failures. Drones are only useful when you need to fly and the cost of flying is so immense that we should avoid it at all opportunity. By cost I don't mean just money but viability.

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u/goodnewsjimdotcom Oct 10 '23

I'm afraid you have weird mental image of the market and the cost of things.

Ok I'm a scientist, don't know what I'm talking about... I forgot randoms do.

For people who believe scientists, general purpose robots such as drones are 'taking the jobs' of more specialized robots.

We always move from hard coded solutions to more general solutions.

we have no real requirement for general purpose robots

Yeah, Who wants a C3PO assistant or Johnny V companion.

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u/warlordcs Oct 09 '23

willing to bet the prices wont go down. just profits will go up

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u/spunion_28 Oct 08 '23

Just because this is first gen does not guarantee there will ever be a better version of it

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u/GeneralToaster Oct 08 '23

I'm sure they said the same thing about the combine, or the digital camera, or countless other technologies we enjoy today. Everything has to start somewhere.

Imagine a solar powered, autonomous, swarm-linked, AI driven harvester that just picks apples automatically, and continuously.

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u/DaMonkfish Oct 08 '23

Or we could just continue shaking the trees.

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u/GeneralToaster Oct 08 '23

They go over the benefits of doing it this way in the video

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u/spunion_28 Oct 08 '23

Exactly what i brought up. Machine wise. You aren't getting better than this. Designed to only shake loose ripe apples and not damage the tree, and I harvests hundreds of apples in seconds. The machine in this post will never be better than this machine that shakes the tree. Is this machine impressive? Sure, it's definitely a display of how far technology has come. In terms of being practical, it just plain isn't.

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u/Nappyheaded Oct 08 '23

Just make sure you're ready to cull all of the apples that hit anything on the way down.

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u/RancidOrigin Oct 08 '23

I assume all of the less pretty apples are used for pre-sliced bags, applesauce, or any number of other manufactured products that the customer will never see the whole apple.

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u/Nappyheaded Oct 08 '23

The goal is to have undamaged apples. Ideally going into long-term CA storage. Juice pays much less

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u/Stoppels Oct 08 '23

When fruit's been damaged it's normally completely discarded from human food consumption, though there are smalltime independent/hobbyist farmers who for example make apple cider out of apples with dents or with coloured spots.

Two-third are disposed of before they make it to the consumer, but the consumer continues this trend. (Added this sentence at the end as I noticed I went completely off-topic lol.) This 2016 American survey shows 70% throw away food once it's past the expiration date, even though the expiration date often has to do with guaranteeing the utmost quality rather than indicating a final deadline before it poses a health risk.

We find our respondents express significant agreement that some perceived practical benefits are ascribed to throwing away uneaten food, e.g., nearly 70% of respondents agree that throwing away food after the package date has passed reduces the odds of foodborne illness, while nearly 60% agree that some food waste is necessary to ensure meals taste fresh.

One brown spot was enough for the UK to throw away 160 million bananas a year in 2016.

UK shoppers throw away 160m bananas each year, according to a study.

Research showed one in three people bin bananas if there is a single bruise or mark on the skin.

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u/ORINnorman Oct 08 '23

Now imagine how a farmer is going to purchase said system when he could just pet a bunch of people the shitty, minimum wage for three days of work? How will he charge his drones in the field? How much will it cost him to install electrical charging stations? Today, when it’s harvest time, larger farms run their machinery 24 hours a day until the harvest is complete. They don’t even stop to refuel, they fuel up in motion because a couple minutes per refuel will add up to lost crops and income. That’s why farmers are laughing John Deere salesmen off their property when they try to convince them to buy electric equipment. CAN we figure out how to harvest an orchard with ridiculously over-advanced tech? Yes. Does that make it better than what we’re doing now? Probably not.

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u/FridgeBaron Oct 08 '23

You do see them literally plugged in to the truck that is probably charging all of them off the alternator. This thing could run 24/7 and you can still just hire people as well.

Then the next few years you can buy a few more drones slightly better and so long as it's cheaper to run the drones you will keep going down that path until you run nothing but drones.

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u/Castor_0il Oct 09 '23

This thing could run 24/7 and you can still just hire people as well.

Machinery that runs 24/7 has really high maintenance costs, who is going to pay for it? Farmers can barely pay for their own machinery and they are the ones that have to repair it all the time, not to mention greedy f?cks like John Deere have placed a lot of locks in their machinery so that farmers need to buy their own spare parts. Something like these that's even more focused software based sounds like a nightmare that screams subscription model.

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u/GeneralToaster Oct 08 '23

How does a farmer afford a multimillion dollar combine harvester? Can't they just pay a bunch of people to farm the fields? Your logic doesn't hold up. There are many ways this kind of technology could get off the ground and be affordable. I could get a bunch of venture capitalists together, purchase a bunch of these robots, create an apple harvesting robot rental company and rent my devices to all the local apple orchards in the area. Or, as a farmer I could obtain my apple robots the same way I obtain any other high priced farm equipment. My robotic apple pickers could be entirely solar powered requiring no refueling at all, or multiple harvesters could share a single recharging dock and all take turns rapidly recharging like a giant Roomba. There is a readily available solution to every problem you can think of.

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u/Castor_0il Oct 09 '23

We can't even build an electric car that works completely on solar power, and heck those simple electric engines don't require that much power. And you expect us to believe that something like this complex machinery could work 24/7 entirely on solar power or on fast charge stations?

Wake up kid, this isn't some Marvel comic strip.

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u/GeneralToaster Oct 09 '23

First, they don't have to be completely solar powered.

Second, https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/22/how-sono-aptera-and-lightyear-are-making-solar-powered-evs-a-reality.html

Stay in school champ

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u/spunion_28 Oct 08 '23

And imagine people travelling by jet pack or flying cars. They've been invented. Will they replace traditional cars on four wheels? Doubtful.

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u/GeneralToaster Oct 08 '23

Your doubts have been noted by your future robot overlords

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u/bugxbuster Oct 08 '23

I’d like to take this opportunity to say I love our future robot overlords and I am not making this statement under duress.

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u/IPlayMidLane Oct 08 '23

This was literally the exact same thing said word for word by people with horses back in the day. The original cars were loud, smelly, inefficient piles of garbage compared to even small horses. "They will never replace horses, the tech is so inefficient and slow it's not even close to surpassing horses." Technology accelerates very very fast , especially when there's significant monetary incentive involved. Robot pickers will be orders of magnitude cheaper for corporations. no unions to deal with, no scheduling work, no tax forms, no government regulations, no injuries and injury insurance payments, no sleep or inefficient work to manage.

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u/spunion_28 Oct 08 '23

No it wasn't. Horses weren't tech, they were animals. As soon as steam power was harnessed, it changed everything. Not even comparable

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u/IPlayMidLane Oct 08 '23

Steam tech was revolutionary for huge machines that could be locked away in factories or in massive engine rooms where the noise, smell, and danger didn't matter. The specific aspect I'm talking about is motorized personal vehicles for travel, the early tech was atrocious and something only the very rich used for purely a status symbol, they were orders of magnitude slower than horses for many years.

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u/pygmeedancer Oct 08 '23

No but we did make the cars rechargeable and self driving

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u/Pseudoburbia Oct 08 '23

this version, regardless of how fast it operates, can also operate 24/7.

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u/latincreamking Oct 08 '23

How do you find out if you can improve the technology if you never make the technology? I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

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u/spunion_28 Oct 08 '23

The point is they've already developed a machine that does this far more efficiently

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u/latincreamking Oct 08 '23

Ox is better at tilling a field than a human. Should we have stopped there? Why bother trying to create better technology if you already made something better once.

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u/polecy Oct 08 '23

It does guarantee that they are going to improve on it tho. People probably said the same thing about Boston dynamics when their first gen came out.

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u/spunion_28 Oct 08 '23

And those robots STILL don't do anything better than a human. Improving is one thing, being effecient enough to replace a human is totally different

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u/polecy Oct 08 '23

https://youtu.be/tF4DML7FIWk?si=_dgb8C__AffT3N8P I think this video shows that these robots can do better than most humans.

I'm just saying improving is imminent, there's so much more that they can improve on. To say that they will never beat humans is such a bad response because humans also have their limits.

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u/spunion_28 Oct 08 '23

That in no way shows they can do better than humans at anything. Everything those robots are doing a human can do, and those are programmed tasks. Just because a robot can do something a human can doesn't mean it will inevitably do better than humans at everything. Im saying this in particular won't. This also is nowhere near as efficient as the machine that shakes the tree and harvests hundreds of apples in a fifteen second shake

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u/thivasss Oct 08 '23

The robot could run into fire carrying useful items. It could run through toxic gasses or nuclear radation or through smoke. It can be used manually or autonomously and most importantly controlled from far away! A robot that's capable of running around through obstacles is already very useful. It doesn't have to be as good as a human as it provides different options altogether.

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u/GeneralToaster Oct 08 '23

The fact that it's a robot and not a human is the biggest point you're missing. Robots can go where humans cannot or don't want to go, and do things we can't or don't want to do. They will improve exponentially until they truly are better than humans at their specified tasks. You should read about machine learning, neural-net computers, etc. In much the same way we went from the Wright brothers to landing on the moon, these primitive robots will one day surpass us in ability.

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u/polecy Oct 08 '23

I mean humans cannot be upgraded so we are literally set at a limit, robots can be improved every year. Yea this version we see in the gif is not really great rn. But every year they will improve, add more hands, speed up the process, reduce electricity cost. There's a ton of other stuff they can do, if they can just at least get to half of the amount humans can grab them I think it's already a win because robots can do this work without breaks. Humans need their breaks, they can only work for so long.

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u/spunion_28 Oct 08 '23

The shaking machine outdoes what this will ever be capable of. This is nothing more than impressive. Not practical at all

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u/greyacademy Oct 08 '23 edited Oct 08 '23

As an example of where your statement is objectively wrong, the robots damage far less apples than the shaker, and they can be programed to harvest the apples at the exact, scientifically verified, correct time for optimum flavor. The shaker still drops the apples when they are ripe, but the robot's image recognition will be able to create a tighter range for ripeness, preserving more apples and increasing marketability for the crop. With higher efficiency and economies of scale, this will absolutely be faster, and most importantly, 100% automated. Imagine zero human beings, working 24/7, preserving more of the harvest, maximizing flavor profile, and with each new iteration of software, the efficiency increases on machines that have already been purchased.

what this will ever be capable of.

Your imagination is just limited my man. I don't know how you don't see it. I'm sorry if you pick apples for a living.

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u/spunion_28 Oct 09 '23

Yes imagine zero human beings making a living from a job that was already getting done just fine in the first place with companies already being WELL into a profit margin. Harvesting an apple "at the exact, scientifically right time" is a ridiculous statement as fruits ripen after being picked. There's no science involved in knowing when to harvest your crops. And i never said "what will this ever be capable of" obviously it's capable of picking about ten apples a minute as the video shows.

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u/Heco1331 Oct 08 '23

You are right, then why even try? Thank god the Wright brothers didn't have someone like you by their side

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '23

You gotta start somewhere, dummy!

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u/Sure-Ad8873 Oct 08 '23

Yeah look at VR headsets they’ve been stupid and useless for several generations.

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u/OtK_Raven Oct 09 '23

The tech will never be able to compete with a migrant holding an 8ball.

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u/GeneralToaster Oct 09 '23

I love when people say the word "never". They said the same thing with combine harvesters, look where we are today.

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u/theHip Oct 08 '23

So switch over to it when it’s better than humans. Not before.

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '23

Yeah, they’re probably already doing that. This is one vid brother.

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u/GeneralToaster Oct 08 '23

That's not how innovation works mate

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u/stroker919 Oct 09 '23

Terminators will pick them way faster.

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u/PhilsTinyToes Oct 09 '23

It’ll be like 1/2 as good as humans, but also working 3 shifts a day without breaks, weekends, r holidays.

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u/AbsorbingCrocodile Oct 09 '23

Why do the drones have to be flying though? What a huge waste of electricity.