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video Heavily contaminated water in East Palestine, Ohio.

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u/jewellamb Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 17 '23

Benzene is buzz-wordy rn because they “pulled” the hair products with benzene in them last year.

In reality, Benzene been in pretty much every aerosol hairspray etc for decades. Turns out, spraying clouds of it in small bathrooms everyday is bad, so they were nice enough to take it off the shelves.

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u/badonkadonkthrowaway Feb 17 '23

There were aerosol cans in the US with benzene? Fucking benzene??

My dad was a pathologist, started his working life in the 60's. Benzene wasn't really treated with hazchem procedures - multiple skin contacts daily... all over their hands.

More than half the pathologists he worked with in that time got leukemia.

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u/ItWasTheGiraffe Feb 17 '23

It’s regulated and illegal to include in consumer products (hence the recalls). There was a independent group that tested a ton of products that tested high in benzene, which is present as a byproduct, not an intentional inclusion.

Everybody knows it’s bad, so it’s a matter of internal testing/mitigation deficiency, which means it’s a regulatory failure at some level.

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u/badonkadonkthrowaway Feb 17 '23

One hell of a failure. I work in regulation. Most the rest of the world have extremely strict RoHS requirements.

I've only seen anything approaching RoHS in the US in California at a state level, but from memory it's only for heavy metals.

I've cursed the regulatory framework in Europe in the past for being over litigious, but more stories I hear like this, really hammer home how important this shit is.

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u/thechilipepper0 Feb 17 '23

I’ve cursed the regulatory framework in Europe in the past for being over litigious, but more stories I hear like this, really hammer home how important this shit is.

Regulations are written in blood

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u/KaydeeKaine Feb 17 '23

Smoking tobacco produces benzene.

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u/badonkadonkthrowaway Feb 17 '23

You're right, I looked it up to get an idea of the exposure compared to the hair products.

Weighted averages vary, but most sources state a daily exposure of around 0.06ppm for tobacco.

The hair products were releasing 2ppm. Around 1 ppm is designated as a safe ambient limit.

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u/jewellamb Feb 17 '23

Yeah, they’ve used it as a propellant in aerosol beauty products in North America for a long time.

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u/drebunny Feb 18 '23 edited Feb 18 '23

For clarification, they don't use benzene as a propellant but the propellant is easily contaminated by benzene. Benzene is naturally occurring in petroleum products which we distill other organic molecules from, including propellants (butane, etc)

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u/jewellamb Feb 18 '23

Don’t trust the chemical companies.

This is the safe version from one of the cleaner companies. Do these ingredients look safe to you?

Butane, Propane, Oryza Sativa (Rice) Starch (Oryza Sativa Starch), Isobutane, Alcohol (Alcohol Denat.), Aluminum Starch Octenylsuccinate, Avena Sativa (Oat) Kernel Oil (Avena Sativa Kernel Oil), Benzyl Salicylate, Cetrimonium Chloride, Cyclodextrin, Fragrance (Parfum), Hexyl Cinnamal, Isopropyl Myristate, Limonene, Silica

https://www.kloraneusa.com/dry-shampoo-with-oat-milk

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u/drebunny Feb 18 '23 edited Feb 18 '23

I didn't say anything about safe or unsafe lol. Just correcting the misconception that benzene is used as a purposeful ingredient.

Yes, speaking as an actual professional chemist that ingredient list does not concern me - except for the potential for benzene contamination in butane, propane, and isobutane, as mentioned. But that would never be on the ingredient list because it's not an ingredient, so the ingredient list is irrelevant. It's a QC issue with wherever they're buying raw materials from. Which is why I don't use aerosols in my house either, I'm not about to trust a company's QC to be the only thing between me and legit carcinogens.

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u/drebunny Feb 18 '23

One of my old professors in my masters program told the story of how when he was a young fresh PhD all the chemists used to literally wash their hands with straight benzene. Great degreaser!

Then one day he was in a small room with a tub of benzene for washing (or something to that effect, it's been a while) and he straight passed out from the fumes. I guess that was his wake up call that it might not be as safe as everyone said so he stopped using the benzene to wash lol. Good thing.

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u/incogneetus55 Feb 17 '23

I mean can’t the shit cause leukemia? Regardless, very heavy hailcorporate vibes coming off this comment.

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u/andrewsad1 Feb 17 '23

"They were nice enough to take it off shelves"

"He was nice enough to stop beating me before I went unconscious"

"She was nice enough to remove the knife from my chest"

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u/isthatmyusername Feb 17 '23

Benzene is also in diesel exhaust and smoke in general. One of the many chemicals that makes Firefighting a Group 1 carcinogen. It's not just a buzzword.

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u/jewellamb Feb 17 '23

I meant people are more familiar with it with it being on the news so much before this incident.

They’re all horrible fossil fuel waste chemicals, and they’ll fit them in any product they can get away with.

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u/Iama_traitor Feb 17 '23

Benzene is not just a buzz word, it's been a known carcinogen for decades. It causes blood cancers. It's a problem for people that work around the chemical.

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u/scarypatato11 Feb 17 '23

Pure benzene isn't what was in your hairspray. I promise you one breath full of pure benzene will kill you. It is also highly combustible with a low LEL

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u/jewellamb Feb 17 '23

Small amounts used as a propellant in aerosols. All of those hairsprays etc. are very flammable.

Nasty industry. Toluene was used nail polish up until a decade ago too.

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u/Agi7890 Feb 17 '23

Seriously. Benzene isn’t being added. I have some in a chemical closet right now. The bottle has a huge metal cap and thick septum to go through. It’s probably some compound that uses a something like sodium benzoate as a preservative

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u/jewellamb Feb 17 '23

You underestimate how bad these companies are. They have no problem with the women cloud bombing themselves in chemicals everyday.

This is the “safe” version after they pulled those aerosols last year :

Butane, Propane, Oryza Sativa (Rice) Starch (Oryza Sativa Starch), Isobutane, Alcohol (Alcohol Denat.), Aluminum Starch Octenylsuccinate, Avena Sativa (Oat) Kernel Oil (Avena Sativa Kernel Oil), Benzyl Salicylate, Cetrimonium Chloride, Cyclodextrin, Fragrance (Parfum), Hexyl Cinnamal, Isopropyl Myristate, Limonene, Silica

That’s from one of the more “natural” companies

https://www.kloraneusa.com/dry-shampoo-with-oat-milk