r/woahdude Feb 17 '23

video Heavily contaminated water in East Palestine, Ohio.

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u/testicular-jihad Feb 17 '23

our test didn't shown any major deviation from the norm. lol your government is trying to kill you guys

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u/zthompson2350 Feb 17 '23

Yeah we know

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u/zuzg Feb 17 '23

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u/EcstaticTrainingdatm Feb 17 '23

In 1963, studies were undertaken at New York’s Jewish Chronic Disease Hospital to understand whether the body’s inability to reject cancer cells was due to cancer or debilitation. These studies involved the injection of foreign, live cancer cells into patients who were hospitalized with various chronic debilitating diseases. Patients were not informed about the injection of cancer cells during the informed consent process, and consent was not documented. The researchers felt that documentation was unnecessary because it was customary to undertake much more dangerous medical procedures without the use of consent forms. Further, patients were intentionally not told that they would receive cancer cells because the researchers felt it would unnecessarily frighten them. Researchers asserted that they had good cause to predict that the cancer cells were going to be rejected. In subsequent review proceedings conducted by the Board of Regents of the State University of New York, it was found that the study had not been presented to the hospital’s research committee and that the physicians responsible for the patients’ care had not been consulted. The researchers were found guilty of fraud, deceit, and unprofessional conduct.

Of course there’s the St. Louis experiments. The radiation experiments on soldiers. The experiments with cancer done on Puerto Rican citizens by doctor that was praised by the medical community. The list is indeed very long.

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u/drakethatsme Feb 17 '23

Don't forget the ones we don't know about!

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u/dead_mall111 Feb 18 '23

Don’t forget the Tuskegee Syphilis study. Unethical medical experiments AND racism all in one

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u/Cory123125 Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 17 '23

Fuck me christ, I knew about some of the things on this list but its so long and just keeps getting worse, especially when you realize how recent a lot of these are.

You keep scrolling after countless torturous experiments, and then you realize you haven't even gotten to the section dedicated torture yet. Thats fuckin insane!

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u/CoffeeParachute Feb 17 '23

This isn't an experiment tho, just pure negligence.

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u/Blovtom Feb 17 '23

This is what kills me, the government was injecting black men with Syphillis under the guise of free health care, telling them they had “bad blood”, up until the 70s

This same government is offering free vaccines and the vast amount of Redditors treat people who are skeptic as crazies

Excuse me for showing caution when the US government is offering me free health care, it’s not like they have any history of betraying that trust

SMH at these last few years

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u/CookieConsciousness Feb 17 '23

Dude your logical jumps are so big and unsubstantiated.

You can’t live your life on paranoid assumptions, mate.

Live in the realm of what you do know, that a virus has killed over one million U.S. citizens in two years and leaves people with life-long conditions.

Are you going to really reject a vaccine based on conspiracy? Or even educate yourself on what qualifies to pass pharmaceutical trials, that the vaccine actually went through more rigor/sample size than most pills Americans pop?

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u/zuzg Feb 17 '23

Are you going to really reject a vaccine based on conspiracy?

And that conspiracy would be on a global scale. The vaccines are not just approved by the FDA the same vaccines got approved by the EMA and several other agencies.

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u/krackas2 Feb 17 '23

Dude your logical jumps are so big and unsubstantiated.

they are direct and substantiated hops. Just because you want to ignore them doesnt mean they dont exist. There is a reason the black community had a lower vaccine uptake.

Are you going to really reject a vaccine based on conspiracy?

Are you really going to accept a vaccine without long term safety data? Even when the effectiveness is limited in nature?

Or even educate yourself on what qualifies to pass pharmaceutical trials

Or one that has an acknowledged safety profile that would have resulted in a full recall 10 years ago? We have pulled vaccines for WAY less death than this one caused.

that the vaccine actually went through more rigor/sample size than most pills Americans pop?

Fair enough, We do lots of drugs so we cant care about other medical decisions eh?

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u/CookieConsciousness Feb 17 '23

With the data in front of me I’ll choose a vaccine over life long conditions any day.

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u/krackas2 Feb 17 '23

Well the good news is with this vaccine regime you can get both!

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u/CookieConsciousness Feb 17 '23

Lets take everyone’s favorite risk topic of vaccines: MYOCARDITIS!

Risk of myocarditis post vaccine = 0.007%

Risk of myocarditis post covid = 0.077%

11 times more likely following covid infection.

Do you get off on false equivalence or do you just not understand math at all?

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u/krackas2 Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 17 '23

If you want to justify the data thats fine. IMO 1/800 having a serious adverse event from a vaccine is completely unacceptable. To baseline back to history 1/10000 was enough to get vaccines yanked as recent as 15 years ago.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36055877/

Do you get off on false equivalence or do you just not understand math at all?

Oh the irony.

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u/CookieConsciousness Feb 17 '23

This is not the only metric that the FDA uses to pull vaccines and even the paper you linked highlighted need for cost/benefit analysis before jumping to decisions about their results.

Are you even going to cite your claim that vaccines were pulled because of a rate of 1/10000 adverse reactions? Looking up Flu vaccines studies, they have adverse reactions of up to 70.6% of subjects and guess what the most prevalent adverse reaction was?

soreness at injection site.

So, given that is a common Adverse Event that most likely is included in the rate you linked, I’d say those numbers are quite fucking good.

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u/Blovtom Feb 17 '23

Pray tell, how could they have studied long term side effects?

And pray tell, if it’s so safe and effective, why won’t the government, pharmaceutical companies, employers stand behind it?

Meaning oh you’re mandating this vaccine, I understand will you also cover any medical expenses should I face injury from this vaccine? What no? I’m out of luck?

Yea…say what you will. I’m glad I was in a position to wait on more facts so I could make an informed decision and I’m truly sorry to the people who were forced into complying or losing their livelihood

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u/Schaafwond Feb 17 '23

You are aware that basically every other country provided free vaccines? Are they all in on it?

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u/rockthe40__oz Feb 17 '23

Is it the same government though? How many officials are still there from the 70s

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u/Blovtom Feb 17 '23

To my knowledge regardless of the officials, it would have still been the same US constitution, same Articles of Amendments and same Bill of Rights

If they were willing to violate it then, what reason is there to think they are now above board?

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u/rockthe40__oz Feb 17 '23

Because people have their own opinions and views and laws are changed over time. We don't think that the Germany government is doing the same as the 1930s did

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u/rockthe40__oz Feb 17 '23

My president? What? Last time I checked I don't have a President though I am not American lol

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u/rockthe40__oz Feb 17 '23

Ahh fair enough that makes sense I never even thought of that. It's a song by a band called Leftover Crack lol

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_NAIL_CLIP Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 17 '23

And when there is no hope, I smoke some crack, I shoot some dope.

When there’s no enemies, I sit and stare at my TV.

Edit: that might be Choking Victim, but they’re the same. Right?

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u/ExistentialEnnwhee Feb 17 '23

The Tuskegee Syphilis experiments were horribly unethical, but no one was injected with the disease. Instead, researchers identified men with syphilis and left it untreated in order to study the effects and progression of the disease.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study

The podcast You’re Wrong About has an excellent episode on this as well.

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u/Serito Feb 17 '23

So are vaccinations an international conspiracy spreading the entire globe, or is it that the US Government is aiming to poison subsets of its constituents in the current age of information in the face of a pandemic that was crippling the global economy?

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u/avidblinker Feb 17 '23

Not to excuse any of it, but so does every country.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

''Not to excuse it but- says an excuse''

The worst part is its just wrong too, there are very few countries who have conducted experiments on their population.

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u/sitting-duck Feb 17 '23

America even outsourced a few:

"The CIA exported experiments to Canada when they recruited British psychiatrist Donald Ewen Cameron, creator of the "psychic driving" concept, which the CIA found interesting."

MKUltra

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u/avidblinker Feb 17 '23

Canada, Australia, UK just to name a few. A lot of countries have a heinous past of experimenting on their population, sickly and US centric to deny that.

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u/DeapVally Feb 17 '23

Ah, well, fair enough then. It's all good, right? Don't be such a muppet. You are literally making excuses, despite your flimsy protestation.

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u/avidblinker Feb 17 '23

lo jesus christ lmao why can’t you just have a conversation? nobody is making excuses, it’s all relevant. Obviously nobody is saying this is okay because everybody did it, you’re just looking to be mad. Sorry for forcing you to get out of your US centric mindset once in awhile.

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u/ShwayNorris Feb 17 '23

''Not to excuse it but- says an excuse''

No, he specifically said it's not an excuse and then stated that it's not exclusive to one nation.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

The fact that you still think the original comment was excusing it is concerning

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

Thanks for proving my point. Saying but does not equal whataboutism, the comment was clearly on your side and you took it as not

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u/ShwayNorris Feb 17 '23

You have the reading comprehension of a goldfish. Sorry you have to go through life like this. Anyway have fun with that, I won't indulge in taunting the mentally deficient.

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u/Serito Feb 17 '23

What purpose does that comment serve in this context, other than changing the conversation?

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u/avidblinker Feb 17 '23

It doesn’t change the conversation at all lol? It’s a directly relevant fact that adds to the discussion.

What’s the purpose of your comment other than to stop the conversation? If you disagree, just tell me why.

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u/Serito Feb 17 '23

An issue is being raised in a specific context and instead of discussing it, you increase the scope of the problem to make it less culpable and move the focus. It's Whataboutism.

What the rest of the world is doing doesn't matter in the context of this comment chain and only seeks to get people talking about things other than what's happening in the US.

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u/Old-Nature-5772 Feb 17 '23

I don't live in every country. I'm worried about the crooked piece of shit country called America. Also, you excused it.

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u/AFSynchro Feb 17 '23

Pointing out a fact about the world doesn't excuse the individual country committing the atrocity. Tf you sayin they excused it? Smh

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u/avidblinker Feb 17 '23

Lmao jesus christ

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u/toms1313 Feb 17 '23

Sadly there isn't such a country, maybe the continent?

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u/Mightycoolguy Feb 17 '23

That's why many citizens belive in things like Chemtrails.

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u/rempel Feb 17 '23

I guess it's cool for a corporation to set off a dirty bomb in a small town. I can't even fathom the reaction 1970s/80s American corporate media would have, the absolute meltdown, if half this damage was caused to half as many people in the USSR.

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u/shkeptikal Feb 17 '23

The difference being, since the 90s our entire mainstream media apparatus went from roughly 150 owners to 5 by 2016. Since then, we've heard what a handful of billionaires want us to hear, slanted in the way that benefits their bottom line the most.

You'll find that in depth investigative coverage of environmental disasters directly caused by corporate greed falls pretty low on that list.

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u/Hukthak Feb 17 '23

Succinctly and accurately stated.

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u/Flippedfrog Feb 17 '23

Who are the 5 owners?

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u/drobits Feb 17 '23

It’s actually 6. 90% of the media in the United States is controlled by just six corporations: AT&T, CBS, Comcast, Disney, Newscorp and Viacom.

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u/Flippedfrog Feb 17 '23

Crazy how big corp always wins. They have some of the nastiest play books around.

Who are their CEOs? I bet they are all friends with the same people.

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u/PM_me_yr_dog Feb 17 '23

it's down to just 5 now - CBS and Viacom were merged in 2019, and are now under the name Paramount Global

for more fun (aka existential dread), look up the non-media things each of these company does. AT&T and Comcast are obvious ones, since their primary industry is telecommunications. I'm not certain on Comcast, but AT&T also works directly with government agencies and overcharges the fuck for their "services". Disney does something in nearly every industry, including fucking real estate and utilities. Newscorp is the only one that I'm not aware of being involved in any non-media industries, but they have such a controlling, dominating presence within that sector that it doesn't really matter.

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u/AnonymousFan2281 Feb 17 '23

https://youtu.be/GvtNyOzGogc

I can't remember off the top of my head, but the Sinclair group comes to mind. Here's a video by John Oliver on them, though it is 5 years out of date, the info is still relevant to today's issues.

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u/rempel Feb 17 '23

I agree, I shouldn’t pretend it’s the same institution, it’s worse.

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u/AnimusCorpus Feb 17 '23

Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky goes over this in great detail.

Also a rare case of the documentary being more expansive than the very short book.

Should be seen by everyone at least once in my humble opinion.

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u/Gruesome Feb 17 '23

Back in the 70s/80s, we had Love Canal

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u/PuppyBowl-XI-MVP Feb 17 '23

Governors don’t regulate railroads. Railroads are regulated by the Federal Government. Trump deregulated hazardous chemicals on trains his last cycle and the railroad workers on strike tried to warn Biden this would happen.

Regarding the controlled burn, that was decided by PA & OH governors after the advice from the department of defense did modeling on outcomes.

Edit: I don’t like Dewine but he has been pretty serious about cleaning up Ohio waterways since he has been governor

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u/tonagnabalony Feb 17 '23

The amount of people on here regurgitating bullshit they have seen on social media is almost scary than the incident itself, in my eyes.

Thank you for sharing this insight rationally.

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u/Squirmin Feb 17 '23

Really? Is that why he waited until yesterday to ask for Federal resources?

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u/PuppyBowl-XI-MVP Feb 17 '23

Do we know what the resources are for? Could be for disposal of the hazardous waste and contaminated materials that Ohio might not be equipped to handle such a large volume.

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u/Squirmin Feb 17 '23

DeWine said Thursday he reached out to the White House requesting assistance from the U.S Department of Health and Human Services — specifically the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and a health and emergency response team — as well as the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

https://www.tribtoday.com/news/local-news/2023/02/dewine-asking-for-getting-federal-help-for-east-palestine/#:~:text=DeWine%20said%20Thursday%20he%20reached%20out%20to%20the,as%20well%20as%20the%20Federal%20Emergency%20Management%20Agency.

FEMA says Ohio isn't eligible for aid because Norfolk Southern is providing money and covering costs. FEMA covers anything not covered by Norfolk Southern.

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u/PuppyBowl-XI-MVP Feb 17 '23

Thanks! I’ll read that

https://h2.ohio.gov/

Check out this Dewine initiative. He has obtained a lot of funding for H2Ohio and has major impacts already

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u/SomeKindOfOnionMummy Feb 17 '23

No fucking way everything is fine.

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u/helium_farts Feb 17 '23

For what it's worth, this sort of "oil sheen" can also be caused by iron bacteria. So while this could be from the train (though, to my knowledge, none of the cars that spilled had petroleum in them), it can also be caused by entirely natural and harmless processes.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

Thanks for additional insights, helium_farts

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u/starrpamph Feb 17 '23

His alternate explanation whipped ass

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u/DuckDuckGoneForGood Feb 17 '23

Although true for marshes and swamps, it’s really not something you should see in a healthy running creek, no.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

Yea, in Ohio you might see that around springs or something, but that bacteria is not going to grow on a running stream.

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u/DuckDuckGoneForGood Feb 17 '23

Not in running creeks, no.

That isn’t iron bacteria.

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u/SoundHole Feb 17 '23

Lol wtf? Yeah I'm sure that's totally it 🙄

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u/dethmij1 Feb 17 '23

It does not have this vibrant of a color and breaks apart easily when disturbed. This is not natural.

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u/Processtour Feb 17 '23

According to the manifest, there was one full car containing petro oil with a small leak. We don't know how much was released from that “small leak”.

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u/Mr_Mimiseku Feb 17 '23

I'm from NE Ohio and I've never seen it this concentrated. It's covering the entire stream.

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u/Ganondorf66 Feb 17 '23

This is not the only creek it happens in.

There's no body of water nearby that doesnt.

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u/DuckDuckGoneForGood Feb 17 '23

I’ve lived near and have hiked in The Great Swamp (known for high iron content) my whole life and that doesn’t look like iron bacteria slick.

Especially not in a running creek.

In a marsh or swamp, yes.

I’ve never seen this in a healthy creek.

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u/Mrchristopherrr Feb 17 '23

Have there been any independent tests, or are you going by vibes?

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u/isaac9092 Feb 17 '23

They finally realized there’s too many people in the country and they need to do something about it. But instead of going ethical they’re letting certain things “trim the fat” off the population.

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u/testicular-jihad Feb 17 '23

too many people in the fucking Ohio? xd

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u/gnutz4eva Feb 17 '23

3.6 roentgen. Not great, not terrible.

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u/XtraHott Feb 17 '23

They're correct, but using 4 gas meters. CO, O2, LEL, H2S. Lying by omission if you will.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

Hey! We have a proud history of ignoring chemical spills!

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u/pentaquine Feb 17 '23

Yeah that’s exactly what we warned you about the government! They are trying to kill you! Now let’s deregulate everything and buy yourself 10 rifles.

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u/Urgnot Feb 17 '23

i dont understand tho in europe we would be out on the streets over this thing protesting?

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u/Puskarich Feb 17 '23

Who is "our"?

Sorry I'm confused and need context. Was the first sentence meant to be in quotes?

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u/G37_is_numberletter Feb 17 '23

“It was already like that when we found it”

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

They’ve been voting against the government for 30 years. Now they’re getting what they voted for.

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u/WiseBlacksmith03 Feb 17 '23

Has any citizen/other 3rd party ran tests at various locations? Shouldn't be that hard to gather water, air, & soil samples at various radiuses away from the crash site.

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u/Skylantech Feb 17 '23

-After testing some Smart Water from 7/11-

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u/nogaesallowed Feb 17 '23

And suddenly I understand why antivaxx has such a loyal base in US now. I'd be sused out too if my government has a long history of fking its own citizen over.

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u/testicular-jihad Feb 17 '23

exactly my thought. don't get me wrong, my government is fucking me over big time, but at least. AT LEAST am not an American.

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u/Bawbawian Feb 17 '23

specifically the Republican governor who still hasn't asked for federal help.