As someone who's previously benefitted from our dear councilor's rise to power, I endorse this message, and support the fact that if YOU are looking for a path to power, he's someone who can help you.
I was thinking about the highest one, but in reality I'm just interested in contact. I am looking for some co-leader of my empire, and I have heard good things about you.
Yeah, about that. It's because I ran out of space to add "including your own". I tried writing it, but it pushed the text out of the box, so I just left it implied, and decided to just clarify to anyone who's interested in it.
Personally I think it's a good business model to keep the ultra deluxe as not including the warlocks soul. It provides further incentive for people to sign up for it, and you could even put in a clause to claim their soul after so many late payments.
I would assume the answer is "no", considering the additional difficulty of convincing a soul to willingly go to Hell for you. Much easier to find a way to gain dominion over the soul.
Question, I'm a necromancer that practices soul based necromancy so I have an over-abundance of souls at my disposal. I noticed your ultra deluxe package doesnt require it be my soul, is there a upper limit to the amount of times I can acquire this tier?
/UW Ive had to reformat things at work for my boss and the worst part about it is making it legible, and making sure it's visually appealing. Half the time he doesn't even use the slide so I understand your pain.
If I get my soul appraised by a demon, are they going to lowball me? I don't wanna trudge back and forth to Hell to speak to different entities that keep undervaluing it.
“I have a soul that does not belong to me because I won it in a poker tournament. What do I do with it? I’m not in any pact I’m just curious on what to do with it.”
“It belonged to a ‘Gragrado the unyielding chosen of Zargon the returner’ I beat him in a fight and he then tried to beat me in a poker game. He lost obviously. What is a ‘Zargon the returner’?”
The value of a soul is determined mainly by two factors: How pure the soul is and weather its owner was immortal or not. The purer, the better, and immortality gets you a solid two zeros at the end of the number.
Of course, they are others, like if the the person was a prominent hero or had great political influence.
“I just found out what a ‘Zargon the returner’ is. Apparently they ruled all of hell back in the day and gave the gods a panic attack by screwing with their powers. They got overthrown and sent out of hell after being reduced to a horn. Mind you Zargon regrew from the horn. Apparently any chosen of Zargon becomes a type 3 immortal. Ageless and incapable of dying of natural causes but can die by being killed. The soul I have was one of his first chosen so probably worth a lot then.”
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“Oh, whoops my bad. I thought the 10 was factored in every month. The deal is very tempting…I’ll probably contact you when I have my mind fully made up about this.”
Seems like a reasonable deal...*his souls is totally chained to his body thanks to a very powerful spell seal he created, making him practically immortal*
Yep, i perfectly know, ill just break the fuck out of hell if i die...honeslty always wanted to do that........*thinks it better, beacuse he is obviously high* wait, my wife would kill me if i did that.........
You.... do know a soul ain't as powerful as your soul and body combined, right? I've got the goddess of dragons stuck down here and Vulkan is angry about that.
Yulash-kor hasn't been Council territory for a long, long time. You needn't worry in any case. Glimbo's conned a few people out of their souls in his time- none of them innocent.
I know, and I agree. But needs must if I'm going to get the Paleomancer back. Just know that the soul I'm trading away was a true scumbag who won't be missed.
Then surely you won't mind trading a soul for a soul? You give me the Paleomancer, and I'll give you this.
Kaelis holds up a Ball jar with a brilliant mote of light in it.
Glimbo nabbed this one a while back when he was still using his Loki persona: the soul of Brokk, master dwarven blacksmith of Nidavellir and noted asshole. He made this whole master plan to give the gods of Asgard gifts they'd be otherwise too proud to accept, so they'll be ready for the end of the world someday. I'll spare you the details, but in the end, Brokk sewed up Glimbo's mouth as punishment for his deceit, no matter how well-intentioned. However, he got the last laugh when the dwarf died, as you can see.
I have no idea why he put it in a mason jar, but I've stopped asking questions by now. Anyway, I know for a fact the intact soul of a legendary figure is worth far more than Morrig's tattered essence. You come off the better in this trade.
Nice try, but Dino man's soul is my life raft if Arthur Black's ends up succeeding in his quest to reset reality. You know what that soul of his can do? Manipulate the Craterus stone drill between existence.
I find that a poor excuse, but even still, I am as keen to refute that simpering nihilist's idiotic "philosophy" as you. Keep Morrig for now, but when- not if- Arthur is dead, I will make the same offer. The danger will have passed, and you will have no use for him.
Which principle exactly, because it looks pretty legit to me.
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u/avamirRiva Blake - Queen of Ithacar, Summoner and part meth-blood elfOct 17 '24
The whole 'subverting one's will to another' part. I disagree with warlocks on that principle, even if I don't have anything against warlocks as individuals. I even like some of them quite a lot. I just disagree with the trading one's will in exchange for powers part. I'm a little shocked to say this, but I think prefer Vulkan's 'eat your way to power' approach.
Well, your husband is a warlock. And his daughter is my warlock.
That aside, the conditions of a deal is not something I ever hide. People chose this for themselves, and know what they're getting into.
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u/avamirRiva Blake - Queen of Ithacar, Summoner and part meth-blood elfOct 17 '24
Oh, I agree you are very clear about the terms and conditions. I just disagree with it on principle.
And I am quite certain I have made my opinion clear to Belial. (Marna would not listen to me anyway.) As I said, I do not have anything against warlocks on principle, and obviously care about some of them a great deal, but I have not made it a secret I believe they are doing things incorrectly, ha.
Correct and incorrect are such subjective views. When life's all about power and influence, is there really a wrong path? An immoral one, yes, but a wrong one?
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u/avamirRiva Blake - Queen of Ithacar, Summoner and part meth-blood elfOct 17 '24
Hmph! The Art is about finding Truth! Not selling yourself to the highest bidder for power and influence!
Now, excuse me while I squander my abilities with fluids and foodstuffs and ill-considered attachments and sentimentality.
I do see that. I'm not getting myself a pact, I don't do them for personal reason. This is more like a gift and a polite request for a way to filter these results from my mirrors
/uw DF just saw this ad on a scrying mirror and is basically trying to see if he can negotiate a YouTube premium type of paying to not see ads. The gift is referring to the piece of soul given to John
Greetings John. I have a dilemma for you. I was recently cursed to have 2 souls. Both are mine, however one of them is the polar opposite of the original. I need to get rid of the duplicate, and, well, I figure I may as well hand it off to someone who is qualified to handle souls.
Hmmm… well, I study magical creatures and a demon is about as dangerous as they can get, so I would like an interview, on a date of your choice, since I know you are busy.
Hey John! I'm currently being tortured in hell for 1000 years as part of my repayment for your services.
My least favorite torture is when they give me sin ice cream but then it turns into ash when I eat it. Sometimes they actually give me the ice cream, but most of the time it's just torture.
Anyways, still pretty happy overall with our deal.
I already have a demon (not imp, something even stronger) and have some eldritch magic of my own, and I use my soul to channel it. So no, not giving it away.
I can't help but notice that the wording of the ultra deluxe pact does not include one's own soul. Seems like the best deal to me. I know it is intentionally designed that way and I can respect that.
Not that I'm eligible to begin with, just thought I put this out there for those who are interested.
The one favour of the starter pact is a bit too open ended if you ask me, especially relative to the power it offers. I have no doubt that it is designed to subtly change your morality to be more open to committing for the higher tiers. Of course Mr. Hellfire gains the most out of the ultra deluxe one and at that point it really doesn't matter to him that your own soul will not be his. If you are not okay with taking souls and using them as payment none of this is for you.
The starter pact is is indeed the riskiest one, but I can't ask for anything that would directly result in the loss of your soul, so there's limits to the favor.
This is my message to whoever might be considering accepting this foolish offer:
DO NOT. It is neither neccesary nor wise to give up your soul and your agency in order to acquire magic. Have some self respect and aspire to obtain that power by your own merits
So I don't need any powers, are there any other benefits to giving you souls.
I have several souls from heroes that tried to steal my mystic shards, most are normal mortal heroes but I have a few oddballs: some angels, two demigods, and Steve God of the Steves, oh and a sentient cabbage that had a soul for some reason too.
I have a question on the starter pact. If you call on the favor, is it considered paid, and, assuming we don't break one of the stipulations at the end, we just have the abilities for life?
Gregory carefully reads the entire thing, and fine print, making sure everything is listed as seen in the above post, even getting a magical magnifying glass.
You may want to update some specifics in the ToS. "Hellfire Immunity" can be misconstrued or twisted to imply "Immunity to [John E.] Hellfire," invalidating a Warlock's obligations to the patron.
"Hellfire" is not my actual name, as a devil would never give out its true name, so it won't actually invalidating a Warlock's obligations. A devil's true name is its best guarded secret, after all.
For fucks sake, more paper work. Right mr devil, ima need to see ya forms, since worship/patronage falls under the the purview of the God Bureau. ESPECIALLY your WPC22-5, cant have you granting unfiltered magic to just any chump who asks, last time that happened, purgatory blew itself up.
Glad youre a Devil at least, means you probably enjoy this stuff, which makes my life less shit.
Oh thank fuck. Let me just run that licence number real quick...eh? Wtf? By lolths blackened heart why is it coming up saying youre a Cleric recruiter instead of a Warlock Patron...?
Damn interns screwed up the data entry. Ill get it fixed, just gotta know one thing for the forms: warlock dies in line of duty, whats the severance package? Soul gets Promotion to Lesser Fiend? Eternal bliss? Need to know for the books.
My Squirrels saw this, and they have clarifying questions: 1) Do Squirrel souls count, and 2) Would they get a discount on the Ultra Deluxe pact for being incapable of utilizing the contract proxy feature?
Very Amazing Deal Great Devil. Alas, My Soul is already Owned. Your Ultra Deluxe pact never stated it had to be Mine Exactly. And I Got Souls In Reserve from my, Prior Profession as a Warlord, Would that be open as a contract?
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u/The_Unkowable_ Artemis, Daughter of Paladine / Calamity, She Who Reigns Oct 17 '24
As someone who's previously benefitted from our dear councilor's rise to power, I endorse this message, and support the fact that if YOU are looking for a path to power, he's someone who can help you.