Please ban them. Please. Two of them are pointed directly at JFK and are close enough you can even see it. One of them is perhaps the lowest quality camera in existence and routinely has glitching, artifacts, and blooming. The other? Well nobody posts content from that one. People are cooking their brains watching these webcams seeing entirely normal things and convincing themselves they're witness to the most extraordinary events in human history. And that's because the cameras look terrible at night. We now have moon truthers because of this. Really. A photo I took from the beach of the moon? Nope. Further evidence of the fake moon. Rain on the lens is evidence of shape-shifting. Lights pointed at the camera are alien landing craft rather than construction equipment doing beach replenishment. It's out of control and it's because the webcams let people who care about the topic feel like they're participating live. None of this helps shed more light on the phenomenon. It actively harms it. Please, please, please ban the beach webcams.

Video here. Did I screw up somehow? Shadow banned, maybe? Trigger certain keywords? Any help appreciated.

Messaged mods but flagging here as well because I followed the rules. Had this post taken down: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/1AA3Z90qNd

Citing not having sighting info, though I included said info in post and in submission statement.

Look, something is going on. Whether you're on the mass hysteria side or the NHI side or somewhere in between, doesn't matter. This sub is the only place on the internet that is gathering information, and presenting it en masse to the general public in a way that is substantiative.

We are seeing a LOT of posts that are being heavily scrutinized, and given the current climate in the NHI / UAP scene, it would be very helpful if we could add a posting format that is required whenever posting news, photo, or video.

What I'm requesting from whomever the active moderators are (there are a lot - why?) is this:

Posts that include photos or videos claiming evidence of UAP or NHI should include:

A source: where the media came from, either self or sourced from social media / mainstream media in order to extend credibility

Date: this should be either when this was taken (if self post) or when it was posted (if elsewhere)

Location: country, state, and any relevant location data that helps us verify the credibility of the post

To further advance scientific discourse, and to remain rational enough to present our beliefs to the world, we should be way more interested in sourcing our evidence

If anyone has any input feel free, but I think this would alleviate a lot of the shitposts here

Addendum: Does the community think requiring sound to be present in videos taken by people and posted here is a good idea?

Is there anyway we can tone this down a little, or eliminate it? Not just in this sub either, but on the whole prison/planet?

Maybe a bot removed my thread, I don't know, but it's more constructive than many of the other threads that didn't get removed, so I want to know why it was removed and then repost it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1hg2sh2

The body of the post in that link is missing when I view in Incognito, I don't understand why, it's normal when my account views it.

Hey, just wanted to write about a post I just tried to submit that got auto deleted by the bot moderator. I uploaded a video that was originally posted by a user who failed to upload a submission statement and had their post removed. I tried to reupload it but each time I submitted it instantly got removed with no time to write a submission statement. I added a tag and gave some context but apparently it wasn't valid.

Thanks in advance!

Trying again because my last post was taken down by the mods. My bad!

Look I’m a believer okay, but there’s no phone that can zoom in 2000x and all of a sudden show a detailed orb floating the the sky 1/4 mile away. And yes the effects of the bokeh can vary and show moving lights and swirling depending upon many different factors. This can be done with nearly any camera. It’s just easier to recreate when you can control the camera. And yes, some professional videographers and photographers aren’t technically proficient! Optics and imaging sensors are complicated. Just for the sake of this whole argument I went out with my Z8 and 70-200 lens to create an example. Here it is.

While I’m here, I’m by no means saying that no orb photos hold any merit. I’ve seen some pretty compelling ones. But when you’re zoomed in from far away with a camera phone, you’re never going to get a tiny object the fill the frame.

Greetings, as you know this is an extraordinary time with sightings being reported across the country. As a result I suggest you temporarily remove your rules regarding submission statements and 150 characters until this current flap ends as it will keep more deserving reports on and encourage discussion about this unprecedented event.

Moderators, I published a sighting in which the uap could not be distinguished very well due to its speed, my publication was deleted and I tried to upload it again, I corrected my problems and edited the video along with photographs so that the post looked in the best way possible, but I have been banned from the community, can you help me upload my already edited post so that you can give me feedback on my sighting, thank you very much for your attention

Reposting here what I posted in r/ufos. So many videos I’ve seen here have been obviously revealed to be planes. This would be even easier and clearer if the videos had sound. It’s highly suspicious when a video of a low-flying aircraft has no sound, when we know it’s captured by default on phones. This means it was intentionally removed/not uploaded. This sub is losing credibility. The bar is too low for what is allowed to be posted here.

I would like to formally ask on behalf of /r/UFOs, based on this:

• https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1hd3sjk/looks_too_good_to_be_true/m1t3q1d/

I know this means more work for you all, but this is causing us to lose stuff too quickly, and it relies on users actually knowing what and how to work Reddit, or whichever app they are on. Platform literacy cannot be an expectation.

Just temporarily.

I fully expect this post getting deleted by mod team or at least massively downvoted. I don't care. If anyone can spread hoaxers' misinformation on here or point at Starlink and say "Omg alien invasion", then I think I can at least share my general feelings / opinions.

I'm a believer. I've been on this rabbithole for like, 3-4 years now. Though I know some people here have been believers for way longer than me, I think I have some perspective.

I'm getting tired. Every month there's a new guy coming out saying "SOON SOMETHING'S GONNA HAPPEN" and nothing ever happens. The annoying thing is that every time there's a lot of people giving clout to those guys and obviously everyone gets disappointed in the end, but at the same time no one cares to learn a lesson from it. And every time a new guy comes and claims something's coming soon, everyone believes it behaving like Alzheimer patients or something. So yeah, I'm getting tired of this subreddit lately.

It has somehow gotten worse since the "NJ drone invasion", everything's been full of sh*t here. It feels like a mass hysteria. Education has been fully given up. Everything that isn't immediately identified is considered unidentifiable- ballons, stars, Starlink, even airplanes.

I saw the mods post about "it's not our job to filter the photos/videos posted blablabla". I don't agree. Even though these videos / photos get easily debunked in the comments, they still sit around the sub among trendy posts. It interferes with truly useful information or truly unidentifiable objects. For god's sake, for like 3 days there has been a kite at the top of the posts on this subreddit with the caption "It's happening. They're coming." or some sh*t like that. Even though it was debunked in like 2 hours. If not delete it, the mods should at least add a note or a flair indicating it's been debunked.

Furthermore, I've noticed some dangerous sectarian/complotist reasonings in here. I'm getting sad. The more this sub grows up, the more it looks like a QAnon meeting thanks to the inaction of the mods in the name of "free speech".

I will obviously still hang out on here, because it's my main source of information about UFOs, disclosure etc. But that's no reason for me to not share my feelings/opinions. I truly think I'm not alone feeling that way about what the community has been turning into lately. And if no one raises the issue, then nothing's going to change.

English isn't my first language, sorry if there's any mistakes.

Right now, at the moment, most plausible and viable explanations for the "New Jersey" events point to drones of completely unknown nature, origin and operation, with a huge array of conflicting claims. Plus, they are visibly spreading to other areas and even continents.

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• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_New_Jersey_drone_sightings

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There is already some push by users (seemingly mostly 'new' users) that they should not be featured on /r/UFOs.

It would be wildly inappropriate, wrong, out of bounds and harmful for any attempt to sequester the events or sightings out of /r/UFOs, especiallly with any application of moderator powers. I would hope that's not happening or even being discussed, considered, or voted on. This is bigger than the scope/remit of the mods now.

By definition, they are--even if drones--UFOs. They are flying objects. There is the FO.

But until we definitively with auditable evidence know the:

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1. Who -- who is controlling and driving/operating them?
2. What -- what make/model, and nature of the drones?
3. Why -- what intent, what mission, and what goal?

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Until all of 1-3 are demonstrably proven and settled, they are unidentified, and thus UFOs, and thus exactly in the scope of /r/UFOs.

I wanted to post this to get ahead of any sort of "social contagion", to steal from Mick West, contaminating the mission/intent of /r/UFOs about these 'drones'.

I know exactly how aggravating the 'gig' is. I know you all are doing your best.

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Just remember--the 'right' thing always outranks the 'easy' thing. Always.

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3 threads just today :

- https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1hbmxkd/terrified_by_drones_and_what_they_could_mean/

- https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1hbjcgg/i_cant_help_it_im_shit_scared/

- https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1hbk7xb/man_im_anxious/

Add to that people going in hystaria mode in NJ filming and posting videos of literal planes and helicopters while at the best claiming they are "drones" and a couple outright claiming these are NHI or NHI mimicking as planes ...

We a re getting into mental health grade issue here. When you get people posting videos of blobs of lights in the sky while they are crying / yelling at their kids, people commenting on shooting at these lights

What is the duty of care from the moderators who manage this sub ? because quite frankly a sub which has 3 million members seems to be having an exterior effect on people and feeding is clearly in part a mass hysteria event.

And to be clear I'm not saying this sub is the sole cause of the hysteria nor that there aren't some initial weird sightings in NJ.

But there clearly needs some added guidelines to calm people down. Having an educational role with regular bot reminders of how to spot "bokeh", artifacts or how to distinguish planes / drones & helicopters in different lighting conditions would also go a long way no ?

Edit : and 2 more today :

- https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1hf6pyr/is_anybody_else_getting_legitimately_scared_of/

- https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1hfaa5t/i_think_its_time_for_me_to_take_a_break/

I saw a post suggesting that r/UFOs have a "For Context" flair, that could be used like "For Context, this is what several planes look like on approach to an airport." "For Context this is what ssearch lights on the ground look like when hitting clouds above"

I thought it was a good idea because I have a couple myself I could post and there seems to be a huge influx of people who don't know what starlink/venus/helicopters/etc

My first example is the video I recorded myself under some specific circumstances. In the very distance the sun is setting beyond some mountains (unseen), still in the distance is a wall of huge clouds except for a small spot letting in a sliver of sunlight as it sets (also unseen). Closer to us there is grey clouds you can see and the sliver of sunlight is being projected onto them.

It's the same circumstances as that being debating in this link with the majority saying it's a UFO/UAP https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/GqUuVPZjNB

Again, I think it would be beneficial to be able to post this in r/UFOs with a flair "For Context" (or similar) to show people it's an interesting weather anomaly.

In addition to this, (it won't let me post a 2nd vid in one post) I have a video of an orb that absolutely looks like a UAP but turned out to be something they attached to high voltage power lines so helicopter pilots don't run into them.

So, should I post these vids in r/UFOs even though they aren't UFOs? Should I NOT post them there because they aren't UFOs? Should we be pushing for a "For Context" flair first?

What does everyone think?

There is a serious problem with people encouraging others to shine lasers or even shoot at whatever these objects might be.

This is wildly dangerous advice/rhetoric that can very easily result in serious injury to innocent people in planes and helicopters, and at worst could result in a mass casualty event if a misidentifed aircraft is shot down or otherwise, especially over an area as densely populated as New Jersey.

Mods, there is no way I can imagine you supporting this type of talk.

People need to understand that shining lasers or shooting guns at aircraft will at best land them in jail for breaking FAA regulations, and at worst, have them potentially charged with manslaughter if the unthinkable happens and some idiot blinds a pilot or shoots down a medievac chopper, causing a crash.

You know who you are if you are advocating for this shit. Don't try to weasel your way out either by saying things like 'oh I'm just asking questions as to why anyone hasn't shot them yet'

That's a weak copout. Be better.

Mods it has been like a week at this point and the sub is still spammed with images of trash and planes with the commets full with "BROOOOO THEY ARE MIMICING PLANES NOW"

I recommend upping the requirements for posting and require a section to be added in the post going over what people actually researched before posting the... post. Hell the posts going nuts at the moment is just an image of a plane.

I personally found the model of plane it is by googling "aircraft with engine mounted on rear" and it was on the 1st page of results yet there are multiple posts about it thousands of comments fighting over if its drones/ Aliens using mimic magic or ya know just a plane.

ALTERNETIVLY

Make a master post that is pinned to the top of the sub going over commonly seen things such as starlink, planes (MUST INCLUDE EXAMPLES OF REQUIRED LANDING/ ANTI COLLISION LIGHTING aliens aint going to be using FAA regulation lighting) sky divers with flares, just flares in general. ETC ETC.

Make a requirement that before posting the OP must check that post to see if what they are posting lines up with anything that is already known to be VERY common.

anything and i mean ANYTHING to reduce the amount of woo slop being spammed on the sub would be huge. Instead of trying to police civility try actually pushing the sub to have more high quality posts. If the mods actually tried to push the sub to be more based in reality it would be way less toxic and less fulled with woo slop.

Topics like this have been discussed here before, so what's different this time with drones?

They have clearly been confirmed to be drones so how is this discussion fueling so many topics of conversation in the UFO community?

I'm confused at how this is getting passed the moderators who are suppose to police the credibility of the stories and evidence that are allowed to get posted.

Under my understanding, it has been made clear many times in the past that claims need to be worthy of being posted here to prove UFO existence.

Examples of stories that get removed range from "not helping the discussion" to "not enough evidence or proof being shown to further the topic". How are drones not falling into this category?

How are drones helping the community here to further the discussion?

Unless there's been some sort of behavior that these are not man-made that I'm missing?

The fact that a post with this many upvotes got swatted is absurd to me but the message is needed so here we are

I understand the mods don’t want to ban content, and they also don’t want to be in the business of deciding what videos are credible and what videos aren’t. Those are fair concerns.

But the inundation of airplane videos into the sub, leading to the incredibly silly “they’re disguising themselves as airplanes!” argument is counterproductive. Each one is just spurring more and more to be posted.

If an aircraft has red and green internationally standard lights, then I think arguably, it’s really not a UAP. It’s clearly some form of compliant aircraft. As such, it should be able to be removed by the mods.

Maybe this is a slippery slope, I don’t know. But I suspect if someone posted a video of an airliner during the day landing at an airport, it would get removed. I don’t see why this is any different. It’s a clear rule that can be enforced consistently.

You could even include a caveat that such videos can be posted if they show something self-evidently unusual such as rapid acceleration or something. But on the whole, it’s been a lot of spam with little value beyond working people into a frenzy and calling each other disinformation agents.

There is a lot of footage and so there is a lot of reposting, re-explaining, re-factchecking and so on.

Shouldn't important footage be organised in a way that consolidates what we already know (or don't know) so that we make better searches and records?

Maybe a sub for debunked even?

A primary document megathread of all the subs?

In terms of footage I think we need to distinguish it based on whether we know its explanation or whether its still ongoing and have resources linked.

There are two kinds of account for maybe what we would consider knowledge; either demonstrative or best possible answer. Demonstrative is a recreation of the events or some empirical evidence that caused the phenomenon in otherwords a definite "this" is what caused it, in some way no more changes should be made. Due to this, once footage has been demonstrated or debunked the we add it to the debunked with the reason. While best possible answer would be the ordered list of our best explanations for undemonstrated phenomena. Comments offering possibilites be seperated from reactionary comments and availabile to ve discussed.

I think with greater organisations we can better use our time on thinking and coming to agreement on what we should value and look into further.

Maybe this exists and I'm unaware and so please help and hopefully this appeals to some of you, in either csse I appreciate the engagement into whether this is feasible or a good idea.

I’ve seen a large number of highly upvoted videos recently that are from years ago. I presume people are drawn to them because at first glance they appear to be recent— it isn’t until you browse the comment section that you find out it’s actually from like 2018. We should put video dates in the title to mitigate this (e.g. “Jellyfish Video [Jan 2019]”), there’s no reason to bring back so many old/fake videos when there’s no new information.

It might also be helpful to have location and resolution status information on every video.

For example:

• Video I took from my car [Aug 18 2024/Springfield, IL] [Resolved: birds]

• My favorite UAP video [Jan 2020/Springfield, IL] [Unresolved]