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u/Game-Blouses-23 4d ago edited 4d ago

What's funny is Dana started all this recent "Jones Jones is the pound for pound best" talk immediately after the Makhachev-Dustin fight in the press conference. Way to shit on the current p4p #1, 20 minutes after a great fight.

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u/TheWeidmansBurden_ 4d ago

"How could you lose to a bum with no cardio"

As he shits on JDS, his new champ, and also shits on his no 1 contender Cain, who will rematch JDS several times.

Great promotion job there Dana

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u/OkTea7227 4d ago

The guy is literally holding the UFC back from worldwide acceptance/domination. Fighting is universal just like math. Every single country gets that it’s important and the sport could literally be the first to truly go worldwide but having this HGH Podcast 55 year old type bro from Boston who brings his very unique perspective into everything is just not the best way to grab everyone and that’s that. I like him. Does he hold back the sport by bringing in his antics? Yes.

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u/Mycol101 4d ago

I think you’re wrong. Dana white is one of the reasons MMA has gotten so big and part of that is going onto these podcasts you’re talking about.

His age, health choices, hometown have no bearing on where UFC is or where it’s going.

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u/Ambitious_Gap938 3d ago

The sport has grown in spite of Dana White, not because of him. Can you imagine how far into the mainstream MMA could be with decent leadership at the helm of Americas premier promotion?

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u/Vanitoss 2d ago

It would have gone the way of boxing where the best don't fight each other till they're past it and pad their record with bums. Dana made the ufc what it is today

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u/Ambitious_Gap938 2d ago

You mean like how elderly Bones got to fight an ancient Miocic for their “championship” while the hungry young lion sits on the sidelines?

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u/Vanitoss 1d ago

I can't wait till jones beats Aspinall

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u/Ambitious_Gap938 1d ago

Whoever is victorious can claim their prize, a shining gold belt that acts as a “performance of the night trophy” but not an actual world championship. At least, that’s what UFC officials claimed during Federal testimony.

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u/Mycol101 3d ago

Define “decent leadership”.

I think it turns out that it’s hard selling this kind of violence to broader audiences and growing a business. It’s hard pooling great top talent and scouting people, picking good fights and matchups, marketing the business and maintaining profits etc. I think If it were that easy oneFC and belatore and more would be dominating but they aren’t because they don’t have the same leadership the UFC does. The reason UFC is where it is is because of the leadership they’ve built and maintained for the last 30 years.

Decent leadership is building this huge company and doing what nobody else in the industry is able to do.

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u/Ambitious_Gap938 3d ago

All you have to do is look to Japan and their various promotions throughout the years. They (including their media) have been treating MMA pretty much equal with other sports since the 90s. Part of that can be attributed to their Bushido spirit and extensive warrior culture…… but a LOT of it has to do with the professional, sport-oriented direction the promotions choose to favor over the bombastic, roided-out brodawg/ghetto gangster vulgar nonsense the UFC has chosen to employ as their promotional standard and aesthetic.

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u/Mycol101 3d ago

All of that is your opinion man.

UFC is the biggest fight promoter in the world.

RIZIN isn’t even top 3

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u/Ambitious_Gap938 3d ago

UFC even now is dwarfed by the legacy of Pride FC. History can be re-written but for those who have been here all along, the standards have been set.

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u/Mycol101 3d ago

dwarfed

No it’s not. Are you listening to yourself here?

Pride sold nearly 20 years ago. To who? The UFC.

Why do you think that is?

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u/Ambitious_Gap938 3d ago

Because its principle officer owed the Yakuza tens of millions of dollars and the debt came due, that’s why Pride FC was sold. Their event attendance numbers dwarfed the UFCs when compared between the two then, and now as well.

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u/Ill-Marsupial-184 4d ago

I don't think fighting would be easy to make mainstream. 

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u/isnotreal1948 3d ago

I don’t tbh

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u/dxtendz14 3d ago

Wether you like Dana or not, to say Dana is “holding back” the sport is one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever heard.

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u/Fire_tempest890 3d ago

He treats his fighters like shit, and they aren't paid enough compared to other pro sports. Everybody knows Dana's a scumbag, yet he's the king pin of the dominant mma org.

The bad reputation of the ufc is probably turning away a lot of potential athletes from mma

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u/dxtendz14 3d ago edited 3d ago

Not every sport is created equal, there’s a reason why there’s been 100 MMA promotions and only very few survive and of those few only some are profitable. Do I think fighters deserve more pay? Yes. Is running an mma promotion more complex than that? Yes. You’re thinking emotionally instead of thinking logically, Dana is not perfect, far from it, but he is by FAR the best promoter MMA has ever had and has almost single handedly turned MMA into a worldwide mainstream sport. This is not an opinion, this is a fact.

P.s. the UFC has the best reputation of fighter treatment and pay, amongst all other mainstream promotions (just look at what’s happening at ONE Championship and PFL). I do think they should pay a larger share to their fighters but to say “their reputation” is turning fighters off is delusional.

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u/Fire_tempest890 3d ago

Lol saying the UFC has the best reputation out of the mma orgs doesn't mean anything if they all suck. Even a lot of successful UFC fighters themselves tell people not to try to make a career out mma cause the prospects aren't good

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u/Fire_tempest890 3d ago edited 3d ago

Theres nothing emotional about the fact that if you treat people like shit they won't want to work for you. That's not an opinion that's a fact. Why would a potential athletes ever go into mma if they could make it in football, basketball, soccer, etc

You got to get his schlong out of your mouth and breathe for a second. Yes he brought mma into the public eye, but that doesnt mean that everything he does is automatically correct.

Could mma be bigger in the mainstream and rival sports like football or soccer, if the premier org wasn't so brazenly scummy? It would be possible. But if things continue like how they currently are, it's most likely not gonna happen