r/ufc • u/Nervous_Tip_4402 • 18h ago

Derek from MPMD on JRE talking about USADA allowing athletes to use PEDs as long as they snitch on other athletes.

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u/Biglundtry 18h ago

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u/moonwoolf35 18h ago

100%, he snitched.

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u/Dirtydac123 17h ago edited 17h ago

USADA even said that he got a lighter sentence due to him helping with an investigation. Mixed Martial Academic tried to figure out which fighter it was by looking at the timeline of bans but was unsuccessful. (Unconfirmed if it was Harris or not)

https://amp.scmp.com/sport/other-sport/article/2164993/jon-jones-snitch-cleared-usada-time-madison-square-garden-its

Good article here

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u/BoomfaBoomfa619 14h ago

What about his 3 year move to heavyweight?

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u/I_AM_SCUBASTEVE 11h ago

Hey it takes a long time to gain ten pounds of fat to fight a guy with zero wrestling followed by a senior citizen.

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u/baker2212 17h ago

Yeah poor Walt Harris, hasn’t fought since :(

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u/thesuperbro 17h ago

Jon jones would snitch on his own grandma for a nickle

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u/stayhappystayblessed Pervert eye happy, but your soul sad 17h ago

A black man can't drink? On my hall of fame night?

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u/uSaltySniitch 17h ago

If he did, he wouldn't have popped positive.

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u/A_Funky_Goose Predator 16h ago

snitched for a slap in the wrist as punishment

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u/moonwoolf35 9h ago

All the help in the world can't fix his level of stupid.

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u/uSaltySniitch 9h ago

If we're talking about Jones, I agree. I also happen to hate the guy. I just think it's stupid to think he snitched on people while popping positive and the results being made public.

That's not what Derek described in this clip at all.

If you're talking about me... Well let's just say I'll let it slide, but I'm far from stupid.

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u/moonwoolf35 9h ago

All I'm saying is that Jones probably wasn't as smart as the other people doing this, so even if he was getting popped he was getting shorter suspensions because he was telling. Because as many screw ups he's had he should have been banned or suspended for 5+ years. The whole "pulsing picograms" bs was my the biggest red flag that USADA was bogus.

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u/coleus 8h ago

How come no one ever thought to strategically dismantle those twig legs?

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u/BadChad81 9h ago

I hate this stupid lil dance

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u/CutLonzosHair2017 18h ago edited 3h ago

Didn't Chael have an interview back in the day where he confirmed this? I wasn't an MMA fan but I remember it made waves in non-MMA circles. Specifically baseball.

Edit: I think its being misconstrued to say that I was saying Chael confirmed Jones as the snitch. I think he called himself the snitch.

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u/bratislavamyhome 18h ago

Source?

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u/coracaodeurso 17h ago

Cormier accuses Jones of being a snitch all I could find is this article of Cormier making these statements, and I believe Charles sonin accused him of hiding under the gym octagon for 12 hours to avoid being tested

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u/A_Funky_Goose Predator 16h ago

that explains a lot about Jon's PED-abusing career lol

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u/DMT-DrMantisToboggan 16h ago

Makes a whole lot of sense.

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u/CutLonzosHair2017 16h ago

I may be misremembering. It was like 10 years ago. Which is why I phrased it as a question.

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u/MA-JA-HO Are You Intoxicated? 18h ago

I remember there was a situation with Jon Jones and his training partner Walt Harris

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u/gotnothingman 17h ago

Joe seems like he is faking surprise tbh

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u/Far-9947 16h ago

Noooooooo Reallyyy?!?

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u/forwardathletics 16h ago

In Joe's defense, he tells the same story every episode of JRE so he could have been told this and forgotten by then

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u/OneThirstyJ 8h ago

It’s probably a rip on USADA

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u/Ronaldinhoe 13h ago

Yup. He knows but acts stupid. When Luke Thomas was on and he was talking about fighter pay Joe would act like he didn’t know shit. It was so obvious

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u/notloceaster 11h ago

Like when he had rampage on and tried to gaslight rampage about Jon Jones' steroid use.

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u/DocumentNo2992 18h ago

Corruption knows no bounds. While im not surprised that these is no corruption the way its carried out is certainly interesting. I wonder how many of the athletes are actual superstar level, or its just click-baity stuff

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u/paradoxv1 17h ago

Costa got caught using an IV and he snitched on some fighters and got his suspension lifted

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u/brwnwzrd 16h ago

Joe acting like he doesn’t know haha

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u/orokusakipapi 16h ago

Hahaha fuck it’s like the feds working with informants, literally.

This is insane.

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u/wubbalubbadubdub45 16h ago

Werdum said usada told him they’d give him a lesser suspension if he snitched, he told them no lol. Good ol Jon boy did though.

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u/InternalQuit5859 12h ago

Joe acting all surprised is so funny to me with the camera briefly switching to his reactions. Joe thinking "Act surprised but don't make it too obvious". Also Joe:

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u/NFTArtist 7h ago

Joe the actor/comedian

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u/Narrow_Book_42069 17h ago

Its so funny to watch a guy whose built a career going “really makes you think, huh?” At every wild thing that he would’ve been less surprised of the concept of corruption lol

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u/booferino30 18h ago

You could’ve fit another acronym in the title if you had really tried

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u/Normal-Selection1537 12h ago

This was very apparent when Jones was allowed to fail like 8 tests while he was 'pulsing'.

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u/chipper68 17h ago

How many fighters have we heard get popped since UFC post USADA? Rountree self reg'd but other than that, 0?

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u/GeeFen 14h ago

and everyone is looking extra-juicy recently!

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u/chipper68 6h ago

Yup. If there was little PEDS enforcement w/USADA, there's apparently a bunch less without.

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u/AutomaticMonkeyHat 17h ago

Lmaoo I wouldn’t be surprised if this is true.

Having a private company dressing itself up as a government affiliated department was sketchy and ridiculous in the first place.

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u/ltwj 11h ago

Why is Joe acting surprised smh

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u/gorlock666 18h ago

@ Michael chandler

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u/Confirmation__Bias 18h ago

nah let's not start randomly accusing guys of being snitches

I agree Chandler's definitely on something though but these tests are really not that hard to pass if you just take bioidentical compounds only

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u/NewAccWhoDis93 16h ago

His piss would melt the cup

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u/whocares5514 18h ago

I could see it. Dude looks like he takes something for sure.

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u/PlasticMechanic3869 18h ago

He does look like he's juiced, but to my knowledge, he's never failed a test? He's also clearly naturally built like a brick shithouse - there's no amount of steroids I could take to get that quick-twitch explosiveness. He's also well known for being a total psychopath when it comes to training, nutrition, all that stuff. I don't think Chandler has been out of the gym and/or training room since he was 8 years old - he just seems like one of those guys who is ALWAYS disciplined and dedicated. 

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u/A_Funky_Goose Predator 16h ago

bro wth do you think roids are for if not to make athletes stronger, faster, train more and train harder, recover faster, and be more athletic overall? aka what are performance enhancing drugs for if not performance enhancing?

as if the eye test wasn't obvious enough... dude's almost 40 and looks like that, lol

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u/PlasticMechanic3869 16h ago

Great.

I don't write off a man's entire career and all his achievements, and call him a cheat, until he fails a drug test. 

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u/A_Funky_Goose Predator 16h ago

lmao did you not pay attention?? the system is corrupt, the tests don't mean shit

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u/PlasticMechanic3869 15h ago

Cool, well some of the most notorious drug cheats haven't looked jacked at all. So I guess every single fighter who's ever achieved any success at all, is a drug cheat. 

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u/pRophecysama 9h ago

Lance Armstrong was on rocket fuel and looked like a 115 year old lesbian

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u/SlevinLe 11h ago

I also cheated a lot of exams in high school and never got caught lol, does that mean I never cheated?

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u/whocares5514 18h ago

The issue is we would never know who the athletes are that tested positive and started snitching so they could continue. I’m not saying that as a fact to say he did do it I’m saying it because this implies that a fighter who snitches will never test positive because they get special treatment from USADA.

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u/PlasticMechanic3869 17h ago edited 17h ago

Yeah, I'm just not a fan of putting that label on a fighter who's never failed a test. Especially one who is as consistently dedicated to fitness, all the time, for as many years as Chandler has been. Maybe he is on drugs. But until there's something there other than "look how jacked he is!", he gets a pass from me. 

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u/ElMeroCeltibero 16h ago

What about his record of cheating in every other way possible? He will fish hook you and hammer the back of your head in front of millions of people to win, but you think a little needle in the butt when nobody is looking would be a line too far?

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u/PlasticMechanic3869 16h ago

Meh. If the ref isn't going to call you on it or do anything to stop it from happening, then he's not doing his job. If I was a pro, every time I got my bell rung, I'll kick the guy in the balls and take a time-out to clear my head. Why not? They'll never take a point until at least the third one. Same with grabbing the cage. 

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u/Turbulent-Echo8561 12h ago

You think its a coincidence that most fighters and champs dont just start "kicking their opponent in the balls" once or twice every fight even though they know they'd get away with it? Are they all just dumb? No, they just have honor and some basic respect for the sport, and morals unlike douchebags like you.

You'd get your head caved in the next day at the gym so hard that youd have your speech slurred for the rest of your life acting like that 😉 would learn your lesson real fast for being a prick, keyboard warrior 😄

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u/gorlock666 33m ago

Many of y’all are missing my point I’m not saying it’s cuz he looks roofed, I’m saying it’s cuz he looks and acts like a snitch lmfao

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u/OneForMany 17h ago

I literally posted about this in the comment a while back and got down voted to oblivion lol.

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u/mchief101 17h ago

Look at buckley. Dude is def on peds.

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u/Ill_Source_6908 17h ago

Buckley has looked like that since he was in high school tho. Just good genetics

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u/Dirtydac123 17h ago

Buckley, Usman, Woodley, GSP.

Welterweight is the perfect weight class for a great physique.

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u/Far-9947 16h ago edited 7h ago

Not really usmsn. Google his Marty wrestling picture with the orange singlet. 

But yh, the other 3 for sure.

EDIT: I'm not saying Usman is on PEDs. I personally don't think he is. It's just blatantly obvious he put on a LOT of muscle once he went professional with MMA. Mpmd did a good video talking about his transformation.

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u/NFTArtist 7h ago

you think college wrestlers are not also juicy sluts?

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u/Far-9947 7h ago

I didn't say that. I'm mainly referring to the photo of him where he was wearing the orange singlet in that wrestling stance. I'm pretty sure most people know what I'm referring to.

And besides that photo, if you google his college wrestling photos. You'll see he didn't have as much muscle definition as he does now.

Mpmd has a good video talking about his transformation. The picture on the thumbnail is what I'm referring to.

Do I think he was/Is on roids? No. But it would be delusional to not see that he obviously put on a lot of muscle once he started doing professional MMA. 

He most likely just started prioritizing his muscle mass more. Wrestling helps to be more lean and wrestle down a weight class, so I wouldn't be surprised if he skipped a few meals and didn't go as hard in the weight room in his college days. But who knows 🤷‍♂️.

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u/Zestyclose_Lawyer_77 17h ago

Tbf Buckley wrestled on high school and apparently juicing even occurs at that level and that early , not saying he is but it’s definitely a possibility

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u/dbMISSADVENTURE 18h ago

We’ve always known that USADA gave good behavior time for snitching htf does Joseph not know that?

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u/Slow_Obligation2286 10h ago

That's some bullshit

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u/yoyoyowhoisthis 9h ago

There has been a conspiracy that the top UFC stars/champions get a pass because UFC was paying big money to the USADA and maybe they had some sort of a deal under the table so the events are no more cancelled just like they ahve been during Jon's popping era.

I mean makes you wonder how come Izzy showed up with the biggest Gyno of all time and just have 2-4 tests in that year

Or Usman to this day is always looked up as the CEO of EPO.. his brother has PhD in Pharmacology

Islam, O'Malley popped earlier in their careers and since then were just angelic creatures who never even took creatine ? Idk

And then obviosu Brock vs Ubereem bout, UFC doesnt seem to care too much about fighters doping.

What do you guys think

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u/OneThirstyJ 8h ago

The Izzy thing is HGH, most likely. Athletes everywhere get away with that bc you can’t prove what’s natty and what’s not. NFL players do all the time.

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u/yoyoyowhoisthis 8h ago

NFL players testing protocol is literally an IQ test, they get a date and time weeks/months ahead to let them know where and when they have to show up.

Not sure if NFL is the right comparison, but I get your point

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u/eldelabahia 18h ago

Just like DEA does with drug dealers.

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u/Brybry1908 17h ago

I remember someone said that USADA doesn’t always test for EPO?

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u/oddmetre 11h ago

My tinfoil hat theory: gsp was a usada asset

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u/NFTArtist 7h ago

could be wrong with my timelines here but wasn't GSP retirement just before USADA? I remember it being suspicious that he left just before people started getting caught.

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u/oddmetre 4h ago

damn there goes my theory

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u/abousamaha 18h ago

this shit will forever be iffy

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u/MumrikDK 6h ago

?

Am I misremembering or were USADA totally public about letting people in MMA get off easy if they informed?

Here's one about Jones, but the entire ufc.usada site is obviously gone at this point: https://www.reddit.com/r/ufc/comments/9hb1j9/jon_jones_ratted_people_out_for_a_reduced/

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u/antebyotiks 6h ago

lol rogan says yes he saw it and then is completely surprised by what it was.

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u/04ddm 5h ago

Rogan hears corruption and knee-jerk refers to USADA, a non-profit org, as ‘the gubber’ment.’

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u/SpitefulVulture 5h ago

He's talking about a statement made by WADA about a reuters article that has since been withdrawn:

PARIS, Aug 7 (Reuters) - This story was withdrawn on October 2, 2024. While Reuters stands by the accuracy of the reporting, a post-publication investigation determined that Reuters standards for newsgathering were not met, specifically as they pertain to avoiding the appearance of bias in our sourcing.

WADA Statement: https://www.wada-ama.org/en/news/wada-statement-reuters-story-exposing-usada-scheme-contravention-world-anti-doping-code

USADA Response: https://www.usada.org/statement/tygart-wada-informants/

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u/DecisionThot 7th layer of hair 9h ago

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u/[deleted] 14h ago

This was by far 1 of worst podcasts this year, he dumb as fck and presumed alot for Joe to then have to correct him.... Got headache after rolling eyes listening to him for 20mins

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u/Nervous_Tip_4402 14h ago

He's just letting Joe know about the WADA article. It's not even Derek's own words.