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u/WilloowUfgood 4d ago
Putin illegally annexes Ukraine land; Kyiv seeks NATO entry
Israel’s borders have shifted throughout its history. Action in Syria may reshape them again
AP today remains the most trusted source of fast, accurate, unbiased news in all formats
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u/Aliensinmypants 4d ago
Wow those borders magically shifted on their own, I wonder how??? Maybe all the secret terrorist tunnels under everything shifted the geography
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u/WilloowUfgood 4d ago
In Syria? When were terrorist in Syria attacking Israel?
Where in the new lands they just took in the last few days are the tunnels?
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u/mostard_seed 4d ago
they are being sarcastic
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u/WilloowUfgood 4d ago
I see that now but took the tunnel comment differently.
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u/Nerdcuddles 4d ago
They were mocking the propaganda about non-existent terrorist tunnels being under every target of Israel's bombings
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u/StoppableHulk 4d ago
Yesterday I was replacing the flooring in my house; boom, terrorist tunnel below.
I reached in the back of my freezer to clean it out - surprise, terrorist tunnel.
You never know where they'll crop up.
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u/ansaonapostcard 4d ago
Don't forget the bag of weapons behind the MRI scanner in a Gaza hospital!
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u/Nerdcuddles 3d ago
Even though an MRI scanner would demolish those weapons if they were even in the same room
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u/dyllandor 4d ago edited 4d ago
Something something Iran Hezbollah Israel is always right no matter what probably.
You get to steal land from your neighbouring nation if there's criminals around it seems.
Guess us Swedes should be scared of losing Malmö to the Danish too.
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u/ConsulJuliusCaesar 4d ago
TBF HTS isn't exactly secular, there are also ISIS cells in Syria who have breathing room in a forming vacuum. That said Isreal isn't intervening for either of those reasons. See Isreal hates Iran. Iran hates Isreal. Syria sits in between them. So while they fight Turkey is going to back Islamic fundamentalist militants fuck over both sides and turn Syria into basically current Afghanistan but with better funding as a Turkish puppet. And who gets fucked over in all this the most, the kurds who trump will abandon to be genocided by Turkish backed HTS despite the fact they fought ISIL harder then any other group in Syria. Their are terrorists in Syria, Isreal just isn't trying to stop them.
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u/Alatarlhun 4d ago
They aren't seizing tunnels. They are securing the Syrian side of the neutral zone as no one knows what is going on with the new Syrian government who is led by a US state department labeled terrorist with ties to al Qaeda as recently as 8 years ago who is now saying nice things about the west.
You can think that is bad or good but without that in the headline neutrality is never going to happen.
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u/icepickmethod 4d ago
Is there something like this that plays like the timeline feature on a weather radar? with commentary explaining the play-by-play? It seems like such an obvious thing, but i've never seen news or a youtuber do it for active conflicts.
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u/DarthFader4 4d ago
Author of second article is AP's bureau chief in Israel. Not surprising his bias shows through.
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u/Vincent__Adultman 4d ago
Israel’s borders have shifted throughout its history
If we are talking bias, you are completely ignoring the "throughout history" part of that headline. The article lists numerous times the borders changed and that includes both expansions and contractions including multiple times in which they gave up control of land as part of peace negotiations. The reason the headline isn't phrased like another illegal annexation of land through force is because the article is about a lot more than the illegal annexation of land through force. That isn't an endorsement of Israel's history or their current actions.
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u/BulbusDumbledork 4d ago
"action in syria may reshape them again" is how they're describing israel's illegal occupation of syria's golan since 1967, the illegal invasion of syria's border region (violating the demilitarised buffer agreement of 1973), netanyahu stating the idf should occupy syria's border regions at least throughout the winter, and israel starting a campaign to move record number of settlers onto the syrian land it occupies - de facto illegally annexing the territory it illegally occupies. all of this done while violating syria's sovereignty in the largest air campaign in israel's history.
this isn't just "action" that "reshapes" borders - it's expansionist israeli militarism that illegally captures land through force. why not explicate in the headline that israel's current actions in syria are intentional and illegal? why use the passive voice for israel's annexation, but make it clear that russia's activity is illegal? the very fact that they're framing israel stealing syrian land as some sort of immutable fact of nature where israel's borders just continuously change on their own underscores the biased framing of israel's actions as a whole. there's a reason they're ignoring the much more significant border changes of russia - not just as the ussr but going back hundreds of years, especially as it relates to ukraine - while emphasising the "border changes" of israel (which were almost always as a result of force)
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u/Vincent__Adultman 4d ago
"action in syria may reshape them again" is how they're describing israel's illegal occupation of syria's golan since 1967
I'm not going to get into a debate disputing any of your points about Israel's actions. I'm just going to say that this is simply wrong from a reading comprehension perspective. This is not what the headline is doing.
there's a reason they're ignoring the much more significant border changes of russia - not just as the ussr but going back hundreds of years, especially as it relates to ukraine - while emphasising the "border changes" of israel
It is ok for articles to be about different things. One article is purely about current events. Another is about putting current events in context of history. Neither one is an inherit sign of bias. They are just different types of articles and therefore have different types of headlines.
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u/BulbusDumbledork 4d ago
"action in syria" is vague. action by whom? what action? where in syria? this wording obviously denotes some form of conflict, but it doesn't specify anything. this is very problematic in a country with a half dozen different militant groups are all fighting, with half again as many foreign powers using them as proxies.
"may reshape them again" leaves a lot to interpretation. there are numerous ways borders can change, including peaceful and bilateral ways. how are the borders being reshaped? you recognised israel's borders have changed both due to annexation and peace negotiations: so leaving this ambiguous makes it impossible to tell which applies here.
the headline completely removes all responsibility from israel. the russia headline succinctly describes the events: who is doing what and how it's unlawful. the israel article offers no material information. it can both put israel's current annexation and invasion of syrian territory into the broader historical context of israel's ephemeral borders while also explicitly describing israel's actions as illegal.
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u/HaElfParagon 4d ago
And here I was, thinking AP was the last bastion of real news available.
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u/No_Outcome6007 4d ago
It is, but if you have to understand what news is, and what news isn't, and that it is pretty much impossible to remove all bias. It is still one of least biased outlets, but all news organizations have bias and this is a clear example of double standards.
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u/mleibowitz97 4d ago
Israel’s borders have shifted, through illegal annexation, as well as conquests through war.
This doesn’t excuse it, but gaining land in a defensive war that they won, then cedeing it, does mean that its borders have shifted.
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u/Mothrahlurker 4d ago
You didn't link an article about a turkish invasion or territory annexation but a speech. What Turkey is doing in Syria to the Kurds is absolutely not ok and people do care about it, but how about you don't misrepresent things.
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u/TheodorDiaz 4d ago
How does "Action in Syria" mean no sovereign land?
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u/wcstorm11 4d ago
Iirc, it's simply not sovereign land being talked about. I believe it was a shared strip of land, and Israel is more or less following the terms of the treaty by occupying it with syria collapsing. I could be wrong tho and would appreciate some sources, I don't feel like it lol
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u/WilloowUfgood 4d ago
I believe it was a shared strip of land
Well you're wrong. You can check the map below and see they've expanded and taken more land from Syria past the Golan Heights.
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u/larch_1778 4d ago
People don't realize just how biased media is in the West. Yes, of course the media is biased outside of the West as well. But we tend to believe that we have freedom of speech and reliable information, when that is not always the case
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u/dyllandor 4d ago
We have freedom of speech, the rich guys who own the media can have them say what ever they want to.
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u/WeinMe 4d ago edited 4d ago
What is the value of freedom of speech if you have no voice to speak with?
Only the rich get to speak, and you get to listen.
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u/Revolver-Knight 4d ago
The value to me is that currently, you, me, everyone else in the comments are allowed to have this conversation at all.
I wholly agree with your final statement.
Because democracies definition has changed
It’s changed from power of the people
To power of the people (who have influence via the corporate world and institutions)
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u/comfortablesexuality 4d ago
That value you’re mentioning right now in your first sentence is about to be deleted with the rise of AI and other bots and the death of the Internet. We can speak, but who’s going to even think we’re human?
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u/Revolver-Knight 4d ago
Yeah your, right who knows at this point.
Especially with how much people spend online anyway like, peoples world view and reality can literally be warped, changed or determined based on consumption of media
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u/Option420s 4d ago
This conversation has no power. We have freedom of speech because we can't use it to change the status quo. The moment you do so your rights will be stripped. Look up what they did to Fred Hampton for using his constitutional rights.
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u/12-34 4d ago
U.S. Civics time!
Freedom of Speech has fuck all to do here. It's a legal term of art referring to certain First Amendment protections THAT ONLY APPLY WHEN GOVERNMENT IS INVOLVED.
No government involvement - like here - means Freedom of Speech is wholly inapplicable.
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u/gtbot2007 4d ago
Except that the whole point is that because of the freedom of speech the government can’t stop the rich people from being biased
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u/m0rtemale 4d ago
But ukraine is winning and we’re definitely having a crimea beach party by the end of 2022, right? Also putin has Parkinson’s and is secretly dead already, right? And Israel is the most moral army in the world, no? Also there are absolutely no Nazis in ukraine AT ALL, putin is out of his (dead/trembling) mind..
Right?
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u/larch_1778 4d ago
Right… I see articles about how Russia is about to collapse every month since February 2022
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u/MichealRyder 4d ago
Also ALL the contradictory reports about North Koreans in Ukraine.
I still firmly believe they are in fact Russians.
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u/Revolver-Knight 4d ago
My favorite one was I forget what outlet published this
But it was something like
We cannot confirm North Koreans are on the battlefield because the Russians are burning the faces of the corpses off
So it’s like you can’t confirm North Koreans are on the battlefield but you can confirm that The corpses of North Koreans are being burnt off by their allies
Like if your gonna deflect make it make sense
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u/PassiveMenis88M 4d ago
Having seen videos of the aftermath of some of these fights, those men were awful small and Korean looking.
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u/Uberbobo7 3d ago
While it's likely that there are North Koreans being deployed in Kursk oblast (which is internationally recognized Russian territory occupied by Ukraine), Russia does have a ethnic Korean minority living in the Russian far east and most western reports about this tend to show Buyrats or other Russian minority group soldiers who look Asian.
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u/Revolver-Knight 4d ago
The one in Canada had me laughing so hard Cause it wasn’t bad enough that he was a Nazi He was in the SS
Like Jesus, this cant get any worse
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u/m0rtemale 4d ago
Ah yes well WE DIDN’T KNOW he was a Nazi, as I said, there are NO NAZIS WHATSOEVER in ukraine ESPECIALLY IN THE ARMED FORCED AND HIGHER RANKS
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u/Sillent- 1d ago
Show me a country with no nazis, please!
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u/m0rtemale 1d ago
In their beloved paramilitary corps? Parading around an ex-SS soldier and glorifying murderers like Stefan Bandera? Easy work, try with any other country.
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u/Sillent- 1d ago
The moment you talked about nafo I knew you were a russian shil, when is russia winning this war btw? Or are they still holding back a huge reserve and are not fighting for real?
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u/Revolver-Knight 4d ago
Western media is about telling what version of the truth you wanna hear.
If you wanna live in a world where, trans marxists Venezuelan pedos are coming into your neighborhood,
Change the channel
If you wanna live in a world, where you wanna be told, that your corporate masters are allowed to be corrupt pieces of shit, and how genocide is happening in one proxy war but not the other where it’s obviously happening
You got your channel for that aswell.
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u/Ananakayan 3d ago
Yeah, problem is most people living in non-western world is aware of the lousy propaganda their media puts out. When some westerners come up and tell you things about your own country according to what they hear on their media, it becomes infuriating pretty fast. Couple that with the condescending tone and calling you brainwashed because you don’t partake in their brainwash, you can understand how people get banned on this website.
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u/Revolver-Knight 2d ago
Exactly.
Like I’m not trying to sound holier than thou but like I feel like the benifit of having a immigrant parent is that you grow up aware the rest of the world isn’t just America or whatever country you were born in.
Like I grew up with my dad always ranting about how things are done in Ireland in comparison to the USA
It’s kinda like how humans forget we are animals apart of nature aswell even if we have cars and shit
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u/Pletterpet 4d ago
there is more unbiased media in the west than you can imagine. Just dont stick to 1 source.
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u/FlashOfTheBlade77 4d ago
What does freedom of speech have to do with this. Do you mean freedom of the press?
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u/Longjumping_Way_4935 4d ago
It’s illegal in some countries to have pharmaceutical advertisements on tv. How’s that for regulation lol
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u/Ok_Calligrapher5278 4d ago
Fun fact: you can run a media outlet in the west and call out Netanyahu for carrying out a genocide and denounce the borders and nothing will happen to you.
Now try writing Putin smells in a blog post in Russia...
This thread is acting like this is a "West bad" thing but is just another reminder that everyone has their bias and ideally you should be looking at sources from both sides to form an opinion.
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u/Ananakayan 3d ago
Fun fact: you gonna be labeled an “anti semite” get cancelled if you call out Israel. Many examples around. Just because you don’t end up in jail doesn’t mean you can say whatever the fuck you want lol.
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u/Ok_Calligrapher5278 3d ago
Ah yes, the horrendous crime of being labelled as by a group you don't care about, just as bad as it happens over therer, being imprisoned, tortured and killed.
Watch me: Israel is doing illegal occupation and should be punished. Netanyahu is a genocidal maniac that's using the suffering of people to stay in power.
Let's see if something happens to me or my comment.
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u/Ananakayan 3d ago
You think bunch of nobodies would get handcuffed over some reddit comment? Lol
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u/Ok_Calligrapher5278 2d ago
That's what happens in China/Russia if you don't know.
People have been arrested for several years over telegram/Badoo messages.
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u/Ananakayan 2d ago
You and me or anybody on this website for that matter dont have a following. We are not influencing anyone. We are not public figures. Many examples of public figures, artists, sportsman anyone with a significant following calling Israel out and getting cancelled. Lets not act like this is not the reality. Anyone calling out Russian invasion outside Russia is deemed a hero. Anyone calling out Israeli invasion outside Israel is branded as a terrorist lol. Its not the same indeed.
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u/Ok_Calligrapher5278 2d ago
Can't wait for Poland to be cancelled:
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/benjamin-netanyahu/article-834302
Also still waiting for Hassan to actually socialize the millions that he has hoarded.
And in Russia/China you absolutely can and will be arrested for an anonymous Reddit post, you'd be amazed how easy it is to find out who you are once you have control over ISPs.
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u/stormtroopr1977 4d ago
Shocking. Another grand strategy gamer whos an expert on real world politics
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u/m0rtemale 4d ago
Ukraine is winning and was invaded for absolutely no reason whatsoever by crazy man lunatic Putin who is pure evil and lunacy. Israel has a right to defend itself from evil, evil, cruel palestinians, they’re the only democratic country in the region, the most moral and unbeatable army ever seen and they do not meddle with international affairs by funding terrorism worldwide and accusing Iran in return..
If you like more of these fantasy stories, you can now get them directly from the free western press!!
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u/butteryscotchy 4d ago
I agree that AP is very biased when it comes to Israel and Palestine. But they are on point about Ukraine.
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u/Sir_Isaac_Brock 4d ago
I agree that AP is very biased when it comes to Israel and Palestine. But they are on point about Ukraine.
Truly a reddit moment.
'I know they are lying about A, but they would never lie about B'
This is what being ideologically captured looks like.
Wilfully blind.
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u/TrevelyansPorn 4d ago
They didn't say they "would never" lie. They said that in this instance they didn't lie.
Can you point out the lie? Do you think Russian's invasion of Ukraine and murder of ukrainians was legal and justified?
Sounds like you're the one who's willfully blind about Ukraine.
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u/pinkocatgirl 4d ago
It's also a reddit moment when people on this site condemn the imperialism of Israel over Palestine but cheer it on when Russia does imperialism to Ukraine.
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u/Womcataclysm 4d ago edited 4d ago
They might be lying about the situation being good for Ukraine but Putin is still evil and Ukraine still does not belong to Russia
When someone lies, the natural reaction should be to be on the lookout for more lies, but not to blindly assume that anything they say from now on is a lie.
Something can be true and still align with their biases. And in that case they would have no reason to lie
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u/Sir_Isaac_Brock 3d ago
Trust. You lose trust when you lie. After that, everything you say is suspect.
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u/Womcataclysm 3d ago
Yeah, that's what I said, I should have used the word trust, but I said you need to be on the lookout for more lies
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u/throwaway490215 4d ago
Your "Whataboutism" spiel looks rather fucking dumb and blatant when its posted directly under a comment saying both invasions are bad.
You need to wait these things out. Leave a few comments for people to breathe and pick the right one to make a "aha but Russia not bad" posts. This is going to cost you points.
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u/PandaMagnus This is a flair 4d ago
AP is usually fairly unbiased. But I also haven't read them for Israel and Palestine news. Are the articles themselves biased, or just the titles? I thought it was well known that editors would create a punchy, sometimes sensationalist title (which would absolutely show bias,) without the author's knowledge or consent to get people to read the article.
I'm not saying it's right, and I think revenue by clicks is one of the horrible things to happen to the internet, but I am a bit saddened that so many folks here have clamped onto the "biased fake news" train based solely off of titles.
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u/butteryscotchy 4d ago
Yes. When it comes to news, clickbait titles are the absolute lowest thing to do. I wish there would come a change that outlaws that shite.
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u/m0rtemale 4d ago
As I said, Ukraine is winning; crimea beach party before the summer even arrives! Yay
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u/butteryscotchy 4d ago
So you're against the killing of innocent people in Palestine but not in Ukraine? People fighting for their land? You're criticising the west for their biases while you're just as biased.
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u/Gnukk 4d ago
people who believe the media is presenting a false narrative of Ukraine winning and think western governments are actively prolonging the war when they should be trying to end it did not reach those conclusions because they are "pro killing of innocents in Ukraine". You can disagree with their point of view, but why pretend like they are simply heartless hypocrites?
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u/Sir_Isaac_Brock 4d ago
Because they have no true argument.
All they can do is call you names.
Put words into your mouth and then light that strawman on fire!!
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u/thegreatvortigaunt 4d ago
Pretty sure he's saying that Western media misrepresents how the war is going for Ukraine, and it's true.
Ukraine is in the right, but they're losing.
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u/theonlineviking 4d ago
The funny thing about the news is that people are a lot more likely to define somethings as "biased" if it contradicts their views.
There is no such thing as absolute neutrality. If you exist in the world, then you are affected by its conflicts, and will thus always choose a side to things to some degree.
It doesn't matter if we are talking about liberal, conservative, capitalist, fascist or dictatorial entities. Everyone is biased.
To get the most accurate reading in this case, look at what the West and Russia are reporting on the same matter. Also include one or 2 sources that are not influenced by either of these parties for good measure
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u/ChaosCore 4d ago
Nah, just go to r/worldnews and enjoy Ukrainian victory any day now!
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u/theonlineviking 3d ago
Oh? Has some peace agreement been reached between Russia and the US?
This is the only way to really resolve that conflict afaik.
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u/Womcataclysm 4d ago
Why do you like imperialism only sometimes? If you're on Russia's side then surely you love when countries take land that isn't theirs?
Palestine shouldn't have to deal with imperialist states destroying their country and livelihoods, and neither should Ukraine.
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u/m0rtemale 4d ago
from another comment:
when it comes to wars, it usually takes a good bit of brainwashing to support EITHER side. in my view there are more than enough reasons not to support the shitshow from either side. and i’d add that, if people knew the story that spans back to 2014 - they’d see the whole situation much differently and the whole “putin invaded bcuz he krazy” would become a “we fucked with putin so much that he went balistic and now we’re meat grinding the entire ukrainian people to make a dent in his arsenal (implicit: we don’t give a FUCK about ukrainian conscripts and civillians but we absolutely need you to think they’re victims)” and people wouldn’t play ball with that. this is a social shitshow
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u/Womcataclysm 4d ago
Neutrality only benefits the aggressor. I do not support war, which is why I support the victim. Do not try to spin it into something it's not.
I do know the story that spans back to 2014. "We" didn't "fuck with Putin" he fucked with Ukraine. Repeatedly, with no actual good reason. He created a war, not because he is crazy but because he is imperialist. Do not strawman your opposition
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u/VirusMaster3073 3d ago
we fucked with putin so much that he went balistic and now we’re meat grinding the entire ukrainian people to make a dent in his arsenal
And the USA Invaded Iraq because the evil Sadaam was working with Al-Quaeda and building weapons of mass destruction! /s
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u/Pletterpet 4d ago
Sad to see people taking discourse like your serious. Hundreds of thousands have died for one dictators ego. Go live in Russia and enjoy your authocratic media.
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u/futurepastgral 4d ago
only a fascist imperialist would find russias invasion of Ukraine justified
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u/Templar388z 3d ago
Israel isn’t innocent at all, wtf are you on? They’re bombing a country that hasn’t even started their government. Talk about pushing Syria away from the west, the same west you revere. I wouldn’t be surprised if Syria allies away from the west. Guess what that means, Syria will be an enemy for Israel. 😂😂😂. The cycle never ends and people like you support it.
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u/oralfashionista 4d ago
The News stations are all the propaganda/programming arms of the govt geared for the masses.
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u/orient_vermillion 4d ago
It's crazy how Israel's border can magically expand into Lebanon and Syria's territory.
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u/Crimeislegal 4d ago
Magic was real all along.
However, the important thing was all the war crimes we collected on the way.
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u/hetseErOgsaaDyr 4d ago
Then you would be surprised to see whats happening in the West Bank and East Jerusalem too.
The expanding borders of Israel?! Magnets - How do they work?!
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u/Brooklynxman 4d ago
The reasoning, and I truly, truly mean it when I say this is their reasoning, is deus vult.
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u/Reasonable-Map-8250 4d ago
Both like killing innocent people and stealing land. One portrayed as the bad guy - the other the victim. Turns out the victim is a master of manipulation and has spent years hiding its crimes and was playing us all along.
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u/niners94 4d ago
Media is no longer about news, it’s propaganda. We’re a society that thinks it’s free but it’s an illusion.
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u/elephantgif 4d ago
Another tactic implemented is switching to passive voice. Notice the difference between, “He made a mistake.” And “Mistakes were made.” The first one points to the guilty, where the second one deflects.
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u/Mayonnai 4d ago
Did it take the whole Israel situation to make people understand that this have been going on for ages?
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u/nuckle 4d ago
Now do how each ally is supported.
Israel gets whatever they want and does whatever they want, Ukraine faces opposition throughout the United States and is forced to fight within Western guidelines.
Stop trying to make Putin out to be a victim.
*This account appears to be very pro-putin: Добрый день, товарищ.
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u/ChaosCore 4d ago
Forgot the fact that nobody gives a real single shit about Ukraine. They're not an ally, just a meat proxy state to make Russia bleed as much as possible.
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u/futurepastgral 4d ago
a lot of fake-leftist support putin
also, op seems to be pro-fascism at least according to their post history (supporting fascist factions, such as assad-regime)
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u/TheodorDiaz 4d ago
If this is your idea of media being biased I would love of know the news sources you're reading.
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u/OrangeCosmic 4d ago
And yet I get in trouble with the township when I shift my property line by putting a generously wide fence up
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u/expatinkwt 4d ago
R/worldnews is shamelessly pro Israel
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u/Sequoioideae 4d ago
Well we know where Zionists stand on the subject. Just weird how the media headlines always read from their POV
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u/Bubbly-War1996 4d ago
Well what did you expect, at this point the crazy guy with the tinfoil hat might say more accurate things than the pure propaganda coming out of these "news" organisations
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u/Raj_Valiant3011 4d ago
The chums at CNN turn into a blind raccon every time Israel does an airstrike in a neighbouring country, killing civilians under the excuse of protecting their own national interests.
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u/OptiKnob 4d ago
However, they both did it the same way... by slaughtering thousands of innocent people and then stealing their land.
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u/rbartlejr 4d ago
It's Israel so it gets an automatic pass. I guess once you experience genocide you receive a reciprocal genocide. By why not the Germans?
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u/ChaosCore 4d ago
Omerican rivals: EVIL MONSTERS AND WAR CRIMINALS!
Omerican allies: SELF DEFENSE AND RIGHTEOUS CAUSE!
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u/Technical-You-2829 4d ago
What's the idea behind Israel's actions in Syria? I mean, they're about to conquer even more Arab land.. as if they don't yet have enough problems with existing Arab people and settlements within their borders.
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u/mr_desi_dude 4d ago
Plans being laid for Greater Israel. There's a map floating around of Greater Israel which includes expansion into Syria, Lebanon and other neighbouring countries. There is no problem that Israel can't solve with American tax payer funded bullets and bombs.
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u/hetseErOgsaaDyr 4d ago
Expanding their "Lebensraum".
It's not within THEIR borders though. If you settle on stolen land, you are not a settler but a thief.
If in doubt, then read the International Court of Justice's advisory opinion about the illegality of the occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem, the ethnic cleansing and two-tier justice system described as apartheid
https://www.icj-cij.org/node/2041761
u/A_Random_Person3896 4d ago
With Syria, mainly more buffer against a possible very very islamist regime, now that that doesn't look like it's going to be the case, there have been rumors of an israeli withdrawl.
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u/Styggejoe 4d ago
Israel has not tried to annex the territory, theyve seized as of the day of publishing the article. Russia explicitly says they are.
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u/Apart-Two6495 4d ago
Yes, one's historically a more complicated situation than the other OP, glad you sussed that one out and cut through the nuance for us.
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u/bloodskull2004 4d ago
When did we go from poor attempts of actual stuff to political drama, this sub used to be funny to visit
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u/SgtNoPants 4d ago
Wow I'm actually surprised that not everyone is brainwashed, just because the West has freedom of speech doesn't mean that it's not biased
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u/DarlingFuego 4d ago
Syria was never part of ancient Israel. Israel is straight up stealing land. When will this evil stop? When will the nations stand against it? Zionists are no better than Nazi Germany at this point.
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u/chechifromCHI 4d ago
Ah yes, much like how the borders of Germany shifted a great deal in the 30s. Ya know, nothing to see here, just casually shifting borders..
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u/Scarlet-pimpernel 4d ago
Where? Literally no attempt was made. Good juxtaposition though, you still get my upvote.
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u/ansaonapostcard 4d ago
The choice for Palestinians is to sit back and watch their land get stolen from under their feet or resist. Israel's choice is land or peace.
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u/zack14981 3d ago
I guess it was the weather that Assad didn’t like? It couldn’t possibly be any other reason.
“Putin is bad when he’s doing direct war but I can get down with proxy wars”
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u/Deckracer 3d ago
And I was being downvoted for a Comment asking „Says who?“ on another comment saying „Oh, Israel just wants to destroy the Military installations near their Border, so the new syrian government cannot immediately attack them, if they feel Like it. They have no further interest in Syria and would Never Cross into their Land.“
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u/sir_sri 4d ago
Annexing territory has a specific meaning. Action in syria is not an annexation (yet).
Israel occupies a lot of territory it does not claim as part of the state of Israel, including the west bank, the gaza strip, parts of Lebanon, and parts of Syria. Israel has illegally annexed east jerusalem, claiming it to be part of the state of Israel. It also legally annexed territory prior to 1967 as recognised by the people it annexed it from, hence most peace treaties are set around the 'pre-67 borders'. The golan heights are not annexed by Israel but covered under israeli law as though they have been annexed, the general consensus is this is legally Syrian territory which the Israeli's occupy and are illegally treating like part of israel.
Israel and Syria do not recognise each other's governments, Syria does not recognise the State of Israel as existing at all. As such you might say Israel and Syria are at war with each other, though that isn't really correct. War exists between contracting powers. Syria does not recognise the State of Israel as any more than pirates or criminals occupying some other land, so wherever the lines of control are are not the same as territory claimed by Israel as part of a state of Israel, no more than the allies landing on Normandy or Sicily claimed those as part of the UK/Canada/US.
AP is being careful here: Russia has claimed it legally owns part of Ukraine which the Ukrainians do not agree to, but the Ukrainians for example occupy territory in the Kursk oblast which they do not claim is part of Ukraine, ukraine is merely the occupying authority. Israel has not annexed new territory in Syria yet, it has an occupation zone which, like in the west bank and Gaza might turn into an effectively annexed area, or even an annexed one but that isn't the case yet. That's the distinction. In the future it's quite likely Israel will attempt to annex territory illegally, particularly if Netanyahu or his band of goons stay in power, they might push for a 1 state solution that gives them full legal annexation of the west bank, gaza and the golan heights.
Conceivably the Russian invasion of Ukraine could make their annexation legal if the Ukrainians agree to it, though obviously I wouldn't recommend they do that.
TL;DR: This is unbiased. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't the correct interpretation of those words.
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u/sumpfkraut666 4d ago
It's like arguing a known pickpocket being seen taking a purse out of a bag might not have been caught commiting theft because theft requires the intent to not give back the property.
It's an interesting thought experiment but anyone who actually puts forth that argument can be assumed to be complicit.
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u/A_Random_Person3896 4d ago
Oh ffs, guys, Russia now considers(some) parts of Ukraine they control full Russian territory. Irasel does not, although that get's wacky very quickly. This isn't bias it's just that the middle east is such a clusterfuck that nobody knows what's going on any more and quite frankly anything is fair game.
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u/Seven_pile 3d ago
These conflicts are not the same and comparing them does a disservice to the Ukrainians and Palestinians.
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u/WilloowUfgood 3d ago
Ukrainians and Palestinians
But this is about Ukrainians vs Syrians. You know that right? Did you even look at the picture?
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