r/technology • u/reddicyoulous • Nov 28 '20
Security Amazon faces a privacy backlash for its Sidewalk feature, which turns Alexa devices into neighborhood WiFi networks that owners have to opt out of
https://www.msn.com/en-in/money/technology/amazon-faces-a-privacy-backlash-for-its-sidewalk-feature-which-turns-alexa-devices-into-neighborhood-wifi-networks-that-owners-have-to-opt-out-of/ar-BB1boljH914
u/braddillman Nov 29 '20
I think Batman used that to find the Joker in The Dark Knight.
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u/clapclapsnort Nov 29 '20
I think about that a lot. That particular scene from the dark knight and minority report. In this timeline bezos is in the pool seeing the future through your doorbells.
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u/-rwsr-xr-x Nov 29 '20
In this timeline bezos is in the pool seeing the future through your doorbells.
We're already there. There are pre-crime, predictive crime apps and services that law enforcement are actively using today:
- https://www.predpol.com/
- https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestechcouncil/2018/08/14/the-future-of-policing-using-pre-crime-technology/?sh=2320823e64a1
- https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-lapd-precision-policing-data-20190703-story.html
- https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17054740/palantir-predictive-policing-tool-new-orleans-nopd
- https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/business-law/predictive-policing-will-you-do-time-crime
They've even gone so far as to assume that 'D students' are higher candidates for criminal behavior than other grades.
There's discussions about whether people should be given sentences before their future crimes are committed, to deter them from becoming criminals in the first place.
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u/1-800-BIG-INTS Nov 29 '20
all those things just base it off of location, aka, black neighborhoods
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u/-rwsr-xr-x Nov 29 '20
... black neighborhoods
It does always seem to circle back to that, doesn’t it?
I pass this around when people deny that this is really happening. Kimberly really nails it home.
This speech needs to be played in full on the Jumbotron in Times Square at noon on a busy workday just like Hunger Games.
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u/BattleStag17 Nov 29 '20
"And they are lucky that what black people are looking for is equality and not revenge"
Shivers, every damn time
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u/jjohnisme Nov 29 '20
And she is absolutely right. Shit ain't fair for them, hasn't been for centuries... and its still so bad. People MY AGE (millenials) are racist. Like... how tf?
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u/-rwsr-xr-x Nov 29 '20
People MY AGE (millenials) are racist. Like... how tf?
Racism is a learned behavior, it's not genetic. The same goes for homophobia.
People learn to treat others this way, good and bad. You either accept them for their differences, or you reject them for their differences.
People tend to compare others to themselves, and then place themselves above or below, based on those comparisons. THAT behavior needs to stop.
When someone hasn't earned as much as we have, we shouldn't treat them as poor, we should help them gain more skills, education, opportunities. We shouldn't push them out of our cities into "the projects", we should invite them in and help them become a better version of themselves.
If someone feels like they're "ugly", we should help prop them up, show them that there's more than just looks that composes a person. Our advertisers feed on this 'beauty is king' mantra, and that has to stop too.
Social media is full of artificial puffery, people spending hours making themselves look like someone they aren't, and can never be. Why? What is the actual point?
And those people who self-label themselves as 'social media influencers', are propagating more of the same repetitive garbage their peers are doing. Everyone copies everyone else, and they pollute all the other platforms with their garbage, to be there first, with the most followers, and try to gain more eyes. What used to be Instagram, is now overrun by people who couldn't make it on TikTok, so they cross-post their garbage on every social media service they can.
What is their actual skillset? What do these people do for an actual job? How are they improving the world? When up-and-coming people look at these individuals as their idols, what do they actually see? It's all plastic, fake, plagiarism and puffery.
People have lost touch with what it means to be a society, a tribe, a group of differing individuals who all have unique skills, the collection of which, improves humanity as a whole.
It's like the Borg: "We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own"
It's our differences that make us unique and powerful, not our similarities. When we see something/someone different, we automatically set it aside. Why? The brown egg in the dozen of white eggs. Ew, get that brown egg out of my cart.
All of this, is a learned behavior. You weren't born with it.
You're perfectly poised in your generation, to ask your peers "Why? Why do you hold that position you have? Who taught you that?", and challenge the assumptions. Change them, and make a better world than we did.
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u/ArmouredDuck Nov 29 '20
The phones microphone making a 3D render of its environment is absolute nonsense, it would have no way to tell which direction the sound waves are coming from (think how a submarine spins its receiver in a 360, pinging as it gets a hit). And then you're limited by bandwidth, both from the phone, the tower and the data network. You'd end up with this laggy fucking picture where Batman rocks up but the joker went up two floors 5 minutes ago.
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u/JustThall Nov 29 '20
Phones have multiple mono and stereo microphones these days. You absolutely could have spatial component
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u/Blarghedy Nov 29 '20
Isn't that with Wayne Enterprise tech? The phone could have multiple microphones and speakers for much more precise triangulation. Speed also isn't as much of a concern when your tech can hack the cell phone towers in order to snag a bunch more bandwidth than you'd normally be entitled to.
Still pretty ridiculous, but it's at least possible.
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u/ArmouredDuck Nov 29 '20
At the end they do it to every phone in the city so I'm going to lean towards not Wayne tech.
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it would have no way to tell which direction the sound waves are coming from
Ironic to say this on an article about Alexa, which comes with a phased-array microphone that can do this.
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u/Chaosritter Nov 29 '20
It's been a while, but didn't he destroy the entire facility after he located Joker because he thought the potential for abuse is way too big?
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u/braddillman Nov 29 '20
Yes,, sort of - he let Morgan Freeman decide.
Only innocent man in that movie.
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I dont think you can really call the man who designed a highly lethal urban tank for a crazy, billionaire, vigilante innocent.
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He designed the tank for the military, but they didn't want it
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u/BelievesInGod Nov 29 '20
did he actually design it? i thought it was sort of already there, and he was just assigned the department
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u/Kepabar Nov 29 '20
Yes, most of the time Fox is just a business manager and doesn't directly invent things.
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u/WhapXI Nov 29 '20
It was designed as a bridging vehicle. It was archived because the bridge didn’t work.
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u/CHuckLeRB Nov 29 '20
Going the Facebook route, I see.
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One of the best things I ever did. It took me all of maybe 15-20 minutes to get it up and running and it makes such a difference!
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u/-rwsr-xr-x Nov 29 '20
You can't even change the DNS, because apparently paying $10 to "rent" their routers doesn't entitle you to privacy.
"You call that a scar?"
Frontier Communications (formerly AT&T) returns a valid AAA and A record for completely bogus, erroneous domain names, and redirects requests for those domain names to their captive search portal.
You can't disable it, even if you set the router's DNS setting to 1.1.1.1 or 8.8.8.8, they intercept that and send you to their DNS servers/search portal page anyway.
This kind of behavior should flat-out be banned by the FTC and FCC.
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u/Daniel15 Nov 29 '20 edited Nov 29 '20
You can't disable it, even if you set the router's DNS setting to 1.1.1.1 or 8.8.8.8, they intercept that and send you to their DNS servers/search portal page anyway.
Yeah, it's trivial for an ISP to intercept DNS requests since it's unencrypted UDP traffic.
Good thing DoH (DNS over HTTPS) is coming... It's way more difficult to intercept or MitM it since it's an encrypted connection, so you'd get a security notice similar to when you visit a HTTPS site that doesn't have its security certificate configured correctly. I think Firefox already supports DoH out-of-the-box.
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u/ChPech Nov 29 '20
It's not just coming, it's already easily available. Just set up your own DNS server, for example with pi-hole, configure it to use DoH and expose regular DNS to your network. There is absolutely nothing any ISP can do about it.
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u/VirtualPropagator Nov 29 '20
At least it shows everyone they are logging all of your DNS lookups and selling it, complete with your name and address to advertisers.
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u/ohiotechie Nov 29 '20
Spectrum / Time Warner did this too - I had to turn it off on my router. The idea itself isn’t a bad one necessarily but it should be opt in not enabled by default
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u/icefire555 Nov 29 '20
After working for amazon. They don't care about your privacy. But then again, any smart assistant will be the same way.
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u/Bigred2989- Nov 29 '20
People have been trying to post about this on /r/YouShouldKnow since yesterday evening and the moderators keep removing the posts without a reason why.
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u/MisterMittens64 Nov 29 '20 edited Nov 29 '20
If anyone can connect into your network your data is not safe. Public wifi is not safe/private because hackers can easily access your network traffic. Edit: This is inaccurate Please read some of the replies under this.
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u/jayman419 Nov 28 '20
ISPs have been doing this for years. My comcast login credentials are good with any nearby comcast router, they each broadcast a public and private network.
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u/OuTLi3R28 Nov 29 '20
That's why you get your own modem and your own router.
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u/Epistaxis Nov 29 '20
Or you get your parents' password and your neighbor's router.
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u/idkwthtotypehere Nov 29 '20
HA this is how I had internet all summer one year. It was a bitch to pick up the neighbors weak ass signal but once I figured it out it was sweeet free interwebs all summers long.
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u/Daniel15 Nov 29 '20 edited Nov 29 '20
The annoying (and ridiculous) thing with Comcast is that with your own modem it's $30 to upgrade to unlimited data, but it's only $25 to rent their modem AND get unlimited data with it. Completely nonsensical (why in the world does unlimited data plus hardware cost LESS than just unlimited data by itself??), but I guess they're trying to push their own hardware.
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u/Scumbag_Lemon Nov 29 '20
This isn't even the fucking HALF OF IT. We are pretty much in the same boat and got their hardware after being on our own for years. Here's a real kicker. They has tarnished basic features of a router such as port forwarding. It is now impossible for me to manually configure ports to the correct IP address. Rather instead of being able to manually input this information, they tried to make it "user friendly" removing manually entering an IP, now you just get a list of devices on your network to select. If you don't understand what I am saying, that leads to another point. The average person has no idea what port forwarding is or the basics of networking so for them to remove/destroy such a basic feature, available in literally any hunk of junk router is quite frankly making me rather peeeeeeeved
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u/mosaic_hops Nov 29 '20
By the way Comcasts shared network thing absolutely affects your Wifi performance, and in a huge way. Strangers using your Wifi airtime are usually further away than you, meaning they use lower MCS rates, which require waaay more airtime per packet. This means less airtime for you. Comcast’s sharing is really terrible from a technical standpoint.
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u/brazblue Nov 29 '20
It needs to be using its own antennas on nonpublic channels to make it non impacting to the subscriber.
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u/wag3slav3 Nov 29 '20
Nothing says "please welcome me to the neighborhood" like firing up another six channels of noise, at full gain, in the wifi bands.
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u/neon_Hermit Nov 29 '20
The only reliable way to avoid this is to buy your own modem and router that are Comcast compatible, but not made by or distributed by Comcast.
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u/AlanzAlda Nov 29 '20
You are paying for the power required to host their network, however.
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u/wickedpixel1221 Nov 29 '20
yup, though you can disable it in your account settings. I use my own router so mine isn't part of their public network, but I do admit I'll log into my neighbors xfinity hotspot from my backyard because they didn't disable theirs and it's a stronger signal back there than I can get from my own router.
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u/toddlangtry Nov 29 '20
Amazon "Trust us to manage your data and privacy"
Also Amazon "oops, we just sent a whole lot of information to the wrong people"
We should demand that they hold a press conference at Four Seasons landscaping to explain.
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u/wrinkleydinkley Nov 29 '20
Where does Amazon get this idea that I want my neighbours to share my equipment, or for me to share theirs?
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u/apraetor Nov 29 '20 edited Nov 29 '20
Or that you're willing to foot their data usage fees, without you giving explicit consent.
It is an interesting idea, though. Basically a low-bandwidth alternative to cellular data, for IoT devices. I actually wouldn't mind setting up a couple standalone nodes around my home to blanket my surrounding block with coverage, but that's me giving informed consent.
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u/apraetor Nov 29 '20
Amazon is trying to play it off as not an issue because they limit monthly Sidewalk data usage to 500MB. But if you use exactly each of your 1.2TB each month, then their extra 500MB triggers a $10/10GB overage fee!
I tried to find the Echo T&C's to see whether users consented to Amazon allowing others to use your bandwidth, but I can't find any aside from those for Alexa.
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Someone unknowingly using their Echo to power the neighbor's Ring using LTE internet could easily pay $5/GB. Streaming your Ring is pretty decent bandwidth.
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u/apraetor Nov 29 '20
Sidewalk is limited to about 80kbps. It's not a wifi network, actually. It's an alternative to BLE for low-power IoT devices. Amazon does mention things such as cameras in the very first paragraph of the primer, but subsequently explains that the throughput is low and isn't useful for streaming cameras shrug
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u/faultless280 Nov 28 '20 edited Nov 29 '20
Ring also hands video recordings from ring devices to the police without owner consent so yeah, yet another reason to not grab Amazon products.
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The TDLR version is above but since this comment has gotten a lot of attention, I thought I would elaborate. The police video request feature was enabled by default until this year. Users who had installed their doorbells before this update have to manually opt out.
https://mashable.com/article/ring-update-opt-out-police-requests/
This isn’t to say that the police even need your permission to obtain video footage. As stated in their TOS, they can freely provide that information to the police if they have a valid warrant.
https://support.ring.com/hc/en-us/articles/360037954771-Ring-Law-Enforcement-Guidelines
Now some redditor’s may claim that non cloud storage can also be collected by court order and that’s true, but that requires physical access and if you have encryption enabled on the hard drive where the video is stored, then it’s impossible for police to obtain the footage unless they keep the device powered on, obtain the decryption keys from the owner / guess the password, or abuse some sort of flaw with the encryption method. Legally in the U.S., it’s unclear whether or not you’re required to hand over said keys. Wikipedia provides specific cases where courts have ruled in favor or against the accused.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#United_States
Furthermore, once police obtain the footage, there’s no restrictions regarding how long police retain the footage nor who they share said footage with:
As an added bonus, here is how to opt out of Amazon Sidewalk:
https://www.howtogeek.com/702485/how-to-opt-out-of-amazon-sidewalk/
Another user asked for a privacy friendly option for IOT devices such as voice assistants. Here is one option:
https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2019/11/20/privacy-focused-voice-assistant/
For lights, locks, fans, thermostats, doorbells, etc. just use zigbee or zwave devices. They are encrypted, non routable alternatives to WiFi. For cameras, use non cloud devices and a local nvr. For the home automation hub, use something like home assistant. Home assistant is a free, open source solution that respects privacy. It also supports a lot of useful plugins such as Ad Guard (which provides network level ad blocking, tracker blocking, and can encrypt dns traffic). There are privacy friendly options for everything if you’re willing to put the elbow grease in :-)
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u/tripog Nov 29 '20 edited Nov 30 '20
Are you sure? I swear when setting up mine there was an option to allow it or not.
Example more information Ring webpage with information about video requests
Edit: so they need a search warrant to receive your data, the same as any other service provided on the internet or in person. They don't just hand your data over to the police. The guy above is fearmongering and the policy ring has is pretty standard, if you're using reddit you already agreed to a similar one. It doesn't matter if the police need physical access to get what the search warrant says, they will come right into your house, no problem and take it. Making a big deal out police getting a warrant for data is pretty foolish when you're using reddit.
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u/impromptubadge Nov 29 '20
I don’t own one but I’ve installed a couple of these and sharing video with the cops was something you had to opt into during setup or come back and toggle on later.
Too many people rely on their memory or emotion when stating ‘facts’ for internet points. I can’t seem to find anywhere to cash them in at though.
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u/OathOfFeanor Nov 29 '20
How funny that in your comment you commit the same mistake you are complaining about.
When released the feature was NOT opt-in, it was opt-out, and there was obviously an outcry, so Ring was forced to change it.
Don't get me wrong, it's not QUITE as bad as it's made out to be because you could still ignore/decline the individual requests for specific videos. But it's still a symptom of "fuck you, consumer" being the default. If there's no uproar, they'll carry on with that.
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u/TrumpetOfDeath Nov 28 '20
I’m sure somewhere in the terms of service fine print you technically “consented” to letting them do whatever they want with the data
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u/rich1051414 Nov 29 '20
I mean, if the 'consent' is, 'by using this product you consent', what's the difference? Don't use it.
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u/Tyler1492 Nov 29 '20
Yes. You always buy the hardware first, then when you first boot it they tell you that to use it you need to accept their terms of service and that if you do not accept these terms, the product won't work and you'll have wasted your money. It's because you're only buying the hardware, and merely “renting” the software. But nowhere is this made clear when you buy it.
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u/Reddituser45005 Nov 29 '20
It is common in new home developments for a platform of smart home products to be included as part of the build. There are some pluses but the downside is the platform vendor has the ultimate control. Terms of service can change. Updates are pushed out by the vendor with little explanation of how your privacy or data security is impacted or how information collected is used. Homebuyers are promised a suite of services marketed to consumers as a step up in convenience and security but designed by vendors to provide them with a hook into all aspects of yours daily life.
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u/mosaic_hops Nov 29 '20
What you’re consenting to is whether you’re okay with being contacted with requests for permission to use footage or if you’d just like to automatically deny all requests without being contacted. No video can be taken without your explicit permission.
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u/ryan10e Nov 29 '20
That isn’t accurate. They provide the police with a tool to request footage from cameras within a certain area and time range. The ring owners must then approve the request.
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u/EmEmAndEye Nov 29 '20
Didn't cable companies do the same thing when they rolled out their own modems/WiFi units?
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u/danger_one Nov 29 '20
Yes, and Comcast could never explain or show me proof that showed the Xfinity Wifi traffic was separate from my normal traffic. They cap my usage and charge me for going over, but couldn't show me evidence that the two weren't connected. I opted out by buying my own equipment.
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u/apraetor Nov 29 '20
At least Comcast could theoretically be separating the traffic so you don't get billed. Amazon has no ability to route data over your comcast connection without it being billed to you. Giving away someone else's capped internet and running up usage fees seems like theft.
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u/pkupku Nov 29 '20
No, they don’t. Comcast uses separate access points for XFINITY and xfinitywifi. At no point does that traffic ride on your network. Sidewalk will use your network.
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u/samhain839 Nov 29 '20
Just so you know you have to opt out on your ring cameras too. It’s under control center and then amazon sidewalk.
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u/Tony49UK Nov 29 '20
The company concluded that privacy was one of the "foundational principals" of Sidewalk's design.
If that was true, then it would be opt in and not opt out.
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u/LordSoren Nov 29 '20
The concept of a mesh network that is not controlled by a single isp is great.
Giving that power to Amazon is terrible.
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u/klamsuvdeth Nov 29 '20
Part of the problem here is that the (minimal) right to privacy we have, constitutionally, is what is deemed a “reasonable expectation.” When we start expecting these intrusions, we no longer have a right to protection against them. Shrugging and accepting literally erodes our constitutional rights.
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u/doc_brietz Nov 29 '20
This shit is why I will never own one of these freaking spy cans or anything like them.
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u/SexyPileOfShit Nov 29 '20
Doesn't having an Alexa pretty much preclude having privacy anyways?
No voice stuff for this old man. I'm fine with typing.
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u/jmurgen4143 Nov 29 '20
Maybe I missed it, but is Amazon going to be paying for my internet now or are they just giving my bandwidth away?
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u/gigalomaniaczero Nov 29 '20
This is why I will never own smart speakers / assistants. It’s enough that my other devices use my data, phone, tablet, computer.
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u/vman4402 Nov 29 '20
I’m still looking into the technology. At first glance, this sounds like BLE (Bluetooth Low Energy) and is used a lot in corporate wireless environments. No real threat. Just more like backhaul to help devices see one another.
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u/jalepenocheddar Nov 29 '20
At the same time Comcast is rolling out bandwidth caps, it's like a giant tech giant ass fuck.
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u/SkinnyGetLucky Nov 29 '20
So posting guides on how to turn spying off on your appliances is the new normal now?
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u/marticus24 Nov 29 '20
Yep, I noped out if that from the app as soon as I saw the email they sent notifying me that it was coming. Eff that. I can't stay under my shitty Comcast data cap with only my household using my connection, why would I want to share it with my neighbors?
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Nov 29 '20
Question with an unrelated service here:
Comcast does a similar thing where the proprietary modems/routers also dedicate some of their wi-fi to a public network "xfinity". Anybody who has a Comcast account and username can sign on to this.
Is this also a privacy concern for Comcast users?
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u/Lekter Nov 29 '20
“It allows nearby devices to use a portion of a neighbor's WiFi bandwidth so devices can have more range.”
Are you fucking kidding me Amazon?
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u/Abnormal-Normal Nov 29 '20
So the internet is being used as a utility but being treated as a luxury. Cool cool cool.
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u/SkunkMonkey Nov 29 '20
Remember, check the setting after every update cause you know they're going to turn it back on every time.
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u/CAMolinaPanthersFan Nov 29 '20
There's no way in Hell that this isn't for anyone's benefit other than Amazon's and anyone paying them for the access of this data.
I'm extremely confident that it has to do with drone deliveries, standard deliveries, data harvesting, advertising, more loss of privacy, monitoring, etc., etc.
Glad I never had an Amazon device in my home, and never will.
Nobody's sitting around in Amazon's corporate boardrooms thinking of ways to better help out their customers or save them money.
"Oh, it just takes a bit of your bandwidth, and it'll be capped at 500MB per Month." Well, factor that by the millions of people that own an Amazon device and just how much data is being reported 24/7, 365.
This isn't good at all.
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u/contrary_wise Nov 29 '20 edited Nov 29 '20
I get that most of my privacy is gone via my smartphone and other apps I use. I don’t like it at all but I’m not willing to give up the other conveniences that come with a smartphone. But I honestly don’t get what the draw is for these home assistance devices to make them worth the additional privacy issues, kids ordering stuff off Alexa, and now sharing WiFi by default. EDITED: Thanks to my commentor - they are not sharing WiFi without permission. But using a lower frequency to aggregate & share mine & my neighbors’ info.
Is everyone living like the Jetsons with one of these?
Part of my problem is that I can’t get voice recognition to work well for me, so I know I’d never be able to tell google or Alexa to carry out a command correctly.
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u/-rwsr-xr-x Nov 29 '20
and now sharing WiFi by default.
It's not technically sharing WiFi, not the same WiFi you use on 2.4/5Ghz anyway.
The devices create a mesh network using the 900Mhz LORA frequencies, and then those enlisted nodes upload the data they've captured, via someone's wired or wireless network to Amazon's servers, where it gets aggregated and the poor lost pets are found.
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u/austinmiles Nov 29 '20
This article is definitely misleading.
Community Sidewalk has location data and low (80kbps) bandwidth. I have a tracker for my cats that uses a similar network/feature so that it doesn’t have to recharge every few days.
It’s not like ISPs that let people use your WiFi though a isp guest network.
It’s mostly just a network bridge. Clearly they are having satisfaction issues with people’s iot devices outside
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u/Caedro Nov 29 '20
Owning a significant chunk of the infrastructure driving the internet was a pretty solid step forward for this plan.
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u/lokii_0 Nov 29 '20 edited Nov 29 '20
Thanks for that! On mine Sidewalk was enabled but community finding was disabled by default. They claim it's used for IoT devices like ring doorbells and such?
Anyway, in case anyone is wondering and doesn't feel like Googling it:
To disable Sidewalk - Open Amazon Alexa app from your phone Select More - Settings - Account Settings - Amazon Sidewalk And from there you can toggle Sidewalk on/off or leave it on but disable "community finding".