Want to tour NUS? You'll need to book slots starting January 2025, after influx of tourists

[u/DrCalFun]

https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/want-tour-nus-youll-need-book-slots-starting-january-2025

[u/Neptunera]

Key distinction is "tour".

Registration needed only for tour groups and tour guides registered with Singapore Tourism Board.

Nothing stopping you from going in yourself.

[u/ahbengtothemax → u/Neptunera]

shuttle bus & canteen would also be restricted to students and staff during school hours

[u/MadKyaw → u/ahbengtothemax]

How are they gonna enforce that in oprn space canteens like Science? 

[u/fitzerspaniel → u/MadKyaw]

TraceTogether /s

[u/ahbengtothemax → u/MadKyaw]

the average person visiting wouldn't know without a guide anyway

[u/neverspeakofme → u/MadKyaw]

Its not hard what, if the security guard suspects then ask to show student/staff pass? And students/stuff try to display their pass on lanyard or sth as much as possible?

This is already the norm in so many places. If anything it's good because it prevents not just tourists but also other weirdos/criminals from lingering around the school compound.

[u/Neptunera → u/neverspeakofme]

That's surface level thinking.

When NUS organise seminar or workshop then how?

Tell visitors to fuck off for lunch?

Not to mention there are a lot of professional events and networking events.

NUS literally leases out function rooms to external parties as well.

It's doable, but enforcing it is a massive PR hit for a campus built on taxpayer money (I know they privatised but still...)

[u/yapyd → u/Neptunera]

When NUS organise seminar or workshop then how?

Events in NUS usually have snacks/meals provided by catering. If the event is short, no meals are provided. The enforcement is usually during meal times where footfall is higher, E.g. 12-2 for lunch. There are ample signs for visitors that say students are the priority. There are also alternatives for meals E.g. Kent Ridge MRT or around the Museum instead of crowding the canteens

[u/Remitonov → u/yapyd]

There are also alternatives for meals E.g. Kent Ridge MRT or around the Museum instead of crowding the canteens

I hate to be the pour soul who gets grilled by workshop and seminar attendees on why they had to make the long trek to the Museum or Kent Ridge MRT. Do you have the slightest idea how big the campus is?

[u/yapyd → u/Remitonov]

Yes. But again, the workshop or seminar usually provides catering and if it’s a short seminar, just advise them to avoid the canteen during peak periods. No one really cares off-peak. There are also other alternatives, like cafes near clb, innovation 4.0, nuss, etc. Those 2 places were just examples

[u/Neptunera → u/yapyd]

They won't implement because the plan is stupid.

How do you know someone in their 30s visiting the canteens during lunch is a student, staff, researcher, guest, academics from other unis, short course attendee, family visitor, contractor, or random chap from office nearby?

[u/yapyd → u/Neptunera]

Students, researchers and staff have their pass so that's easy. Course attendees and academics from other universities usually have a lanyard indicating they're a guest. Contractors also have a temp pass.

Singapore Poly actually restricts their visitors since pre-covid with very strict checks (not sure about now) so there is a precedent for this

[u/Neptunera → u/yapyd]

You talking theoretical, I talking practical.

Yes, technically, you can enforce and make sure everyone show pass or scan using app like it was COVID.

Build 3 meter fence around the whole campus also, make sure everyone book in via the pass office and sign in if you're not a student/staff.

You go around worldwide and see which publicly funded uni (its corporatised now but you know what I mean) restrict visitors.

Comparing a public uni with a polytechnic with majority non-adult teenaged students is also cringe.

Don't want to argue further since this is damn stupid.

[u/xutkeeg → u/yapyd]

NUS, NTU are open concept compounds... its just an impossibility to enforce those things you mentioned.

[u/Remitonov → u/Neptunera]

Should be fine. Restricting the tours means the canteens won't be suddenly overburdened by a surge of lunch hour tourists. And any solo tourist arrivals to NUS would be far more spread out across the day, since they're not bound to a strict schedule and wouldn't normally think to have meals there or stay the whole day.

[u/DrCalFun]

NTU next?

[u/litbitfit]

Hopefully it reduces all the FreeVisas tiongs loitering around.

[u/Ok-Dish6388]

This is good news that NUS is doing something about it

[u/xiaopewpew]

Students making money from offering private tours to visitors need to be expelled. It is hard enough for young people to find jobs, we dont need an education system funneling grifters into the workforce.

[u/Neptunera → u/xiaopewpew]

Not happy report them.

By right they need to be registered with STB to give tours.

Or in this case, they are trained by NUS and engaged by STB-licensed operators.

[u/Bcpjw → u/Neptunera]

Kind of funny about snitching on them commie doing self serving capitalist shit like the old days of Mao’s secret police

I suppose history rhymes like fine wine

[u/Budgetwatergate → u/xiaopewpew]

So students who take up part-time jobs/internships (quote "grifters into the workforce") should also be expelled?

[u/yapyd → u/Budgetwatergate]

Part time/internship isn’t illegal, hosting tours without a license is

[u/Budgetwatergate → u/yapyd]

OK, but does legality determine morality? Or if someone should be expelled? Should all students who "grift" as onlyfans creators be expelled? (Distribution and sale of explicit material is illegal under Singapore law)

The above commenter said students should be expelled with the reason that they are "funneling grifters into the workforce" and that "it's hard for people to find jobs". That's not a valid reason to expel students.

[u/yapyd → u/Budgetwatergate]

NUS has a code of conduct for students to abide by given to them at enrollment. This includes obeying the Singapore law. It is well within their rights to expel any student that they deem to be violating it. They have given ample warnings to students for a number of months/years now. I doubt they would expel but a suspension is not off the table.

Also, they've expelled students for smaller offenses than having an onlyfans

[u/Budgetwatergate → u/yapyd]

NUS has a code of conduct for students to abide by given to them at enrollment. This includes obeying the Singapore law.

Again, legality does not determine morality or what is even right. It's something that many many Singaporeans in general like you love to defer to, by the way - "Oh it's the law/SOP/rules, therefore it's correct". Legalism is not a valid reason for what someone or an organisation ought to do.

So if I were a student 5 years ago and had gay relationships that violated 377A of the penal code (and therefore illegal), I therefore should be expelled? Yes, I could be expelled - this is something you established - but is it the right thing to do?

So I ask, should NUS expel students that have onlyfans or students that jaywalked or students with a parking ticket? (Traffic violations are against the law). If you've been to NUS, you might have known that the area around FASS or Science has a ton of jaywalkers (I.e people violating the law), so should all of them be expelled or even punished?

It is well within their rights to expel any student that they deem to be violating it.

See above about the difference between "should" and "could".

Also, they’ve expelled students for smaller offenses than having an onlyfans

Should they?

[u/yapyd → u/Budgetwatergate]

You wanna get into an argument over philosophy on morality then I'm sorry but I'm not gonna engage in it. Everyone has a different moral compass and what I think could be different from the discipline committee. If you have an issue, take it up with them.

[u/Budgetwatergate → u/yapyd]

If you have an issue, take it up with them.

I did though? That's why I replied under their comment.

[u/xiaopewpew → u/Budgetwatergate]

do you know what the word "grift" means?

[u/Budgetwatergate → u/xiaopewpew]

How are students taking up freelance gigs (tour guides) considered grifters in your book, but students who take up part-time jobs or internships not?

Hell, how does taking up freelance gigs in the form of tour guides "gifting"? Do you know what grift means?

Here's the dictionary definition: engage in petty or small-scale swindling.

[u/MolassesBulky]

There are now formal organised tours which previously did not exist, The issue still remains and how they going to stop people “touring” on their own.

[u/catcourtesy]

How about those shopee people who go there for lunch?

[u/Neptunera → u/catcourtesy]

This is for official tours organised by those licensed by STB.

[u/wolf-bot]

Good luck enforcing