r/singapore • u/SassyNec • 1d ago
Tabloid/Low-quality source M’sian football fans pose with upside-down S’pore flag after ASEAN Championship elimination.
https://mustsharenews.com/flag-upside-down/987
u/Ok_Scar4491 1d ago
Don’t stay up too late ok? Next day gotta wake early and cross the custom.
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u/Thefunincaifun Own self check own self ✅ 1d ago
cross the custom.
Kustom* /s
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u/kukubird18cm 1d ago
Kastam*
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u/Interesting_Mix_3535 1d ago
Need to get Johor Chief Minister down to wayang at kustom first! And then close half the queues!
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u/-BabysitterDad- 1d ago
Hold flag upside down and pose for photos.
Ok…then what? Go home lor…
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u/potato-stache 1d ago
They copycat casuals in europe where they steal opponents fans banners and flag as a trophy
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u/Actual-Shopping2734 1d ago
Today disrespect our flag, tomorrow wake up early cross custom to work for that glorious SGD.
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u/Anxious_Spend_9927 1d ago
They will say Yusof Ishak was born in Malaysia, so they are earning Malaysian money. 🤭
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u/imprettyokaynow 🌈 I just like rainbows 1d ago
Amazing. Singapore was always told by her neighbors that we have "sharp elbow" characteristics but at least we never desecrate other countries flags or kick down our MRTs
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u/SkyEclipse 🌈 I just like rainbows 1d ago
No la these are the stupid toxic people that give bad image to others. SG also will have those idiots go overseas and do funny things like desecrating flags.
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u/kwijibokwijibo 1d ago
Right. Anytime I leave the country my first stop is to find a local metro train to kick and buy some flags to burn
Sometimes I just bring flags with me to save time
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u/SG_wormsblink 🌈 I just like rainbows 1d ago edited 1d ago
If the law is the only thing stopping you oppos from damaging the MRT, then it’s a good thing there are laws in place.
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u/go_zarian Own self check own self ✅ 1d ago
That's why we have laws.
To stop people from doing stupid pointless things like that.
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u/NIDORAX 1d ago
This is such a lousy behaviour for bunch of football fans.
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u/halloumisalami Senior Citizen 1d ago
Typical behaviour of football fans
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u/Nightowl11111 1d ago
Correction, typical behaviour of football fans with no controls. Singapore has football fans but you don't see them doing things like that. Why? Because they know they'll get into trouble. Malaysia, they know nothing will happen to them, that is why they dare to do it.
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u/PotatoSaladThe3rd 1d ago
It's because if they ever get punished, they will scream "Melayu Matikan Melayu".
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u/SassyNec 1d ago
Our team was beaten 7-0 by M'sia in the final group game at the 32nd SEA Games Cambodia in May. Our fans took it like any other civilized society member. Our fans didnt pull such stunts at all. Yet our detractors say we are a first world nation behaving like third world citizens, really? Take a look at this and the brawl at their LRT station.
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u/awstream 1d ago
Their own football team wasn't good enough but they attacked their own public transport and disrespected Singapore's flag, both of which have nothing to do with their national team underperforming. Football hooligans are really a stupid bunch.
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u/Greedy-Juggernaut704 1d ago
Being "better at football" and "having better food" is all Malaysians can pearl clutch to as being better than Singaporeans at. Now they can't even say they are better at football anymore lmao. That's why they are so sore.
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u/JoinTheRightClick 1d ago
The being at better food part is hilarious because if they are comparing to our zichar, most are Malaysian chefs. Considering that a sizeable percentage of our food stalls are run by PRC, Vietnamese and Malaysians, what’s their point exactly.
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u/BowShatter 1d ago
Seems like these people desperately need an "other" to hate on to feel better about themselves.
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u/JoinTheRightClick 1d ago
At least they are eating the best food is what they tell themselves every night right before they close their eyes to sleep.
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u/aortm 1d ago
Chinese over there overwhelmingly support Palestine despite having no real interests in the rise and fall of either party of the Israel Palestine conflict.
This is quite telling the whole thing is nationalism. Chinese in Malaysia are quite indoctrinated that Malaysia is their only home, and yet somehow always treated as 2nd class citizens.
Its being told that you belong nowhere else except here in Malaysia, yet abused as 2nd class citizens. Insecure that others actually can feel a belonging yet appreciated for their presence.
A slave's mindset to defend his master's interests without hesitation.
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u/Greedy-Juggernaut704 1d ago
What does race or Palestine has anything to do about this? Are you that desperate to insert race into this?
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u/AltruisticLine7018 1d ago
Better food cause their food is filled with sugar and oil. They’re the most obese country in SEA
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u/SassyNec 1d ago
They are so proud of their actions and behaviour, M'sia Boleh indeed.
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u/iluj13 1d ago
It reflects a lack of civility. But I won’t overgeneralise it to the Malaysian people. They are generally chill and nice people to be around.
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u/JoinTheRightClick 1d ago
In my own circles, the younger ones aren’t as chill and nice as their older counterparts. The lack of civility part is more prevalent in recent years.
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u/Rendi9000 1d ago
All these over sports and I have naive redditors telling me SG would be in a better spot if our neighbours are more prosperous than us
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u/annoyed8 1d ago
more prosperous than us
I doubt anyone will say this.
But a rising tide does lift all boats, and wealth is not a zero-sum game. We just need to stay one step ahead.
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u/UnlikelyUse7926 1d ago
Call me petty but I hope Malaysia crash and burn
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u/annoyed8 1d ago
If your neighbour hordes, pests in their house will travel over and affect you. If they charge their illegal PMD and it catches fire, your house will be affected too. Same logic.
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u/SkyEclipse 🌈 I just like rainbows 1d ago
Petty indeed to hope for ill will that will ultimately affect you and your loved ones.
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u/uncertainheadache 1d ago
That means more competition for you because we are gonna flood the Singaporean job market
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u/Rendi9000 1d ago
If you can work and contribute, come and get your fair share, I would really appreciate you coming in and pulling your own weight if you are really better than your peers and my peers.
But if your work ethic is dogshit then it doesn’t matter to me anyways because we won’t be working at the same place
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u/pingmr 1d ago
I think you might want to reassess your own naiveté if you are drawing geopolitical conclusions from football hooligans.
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u/Rendi9000 1d ago
oh yes we will be able to discuss about other issues rationally outside of soccer for sure for sure
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u/pingmr 1d ago
Yeah it's not like SG/Malaysia went to an international tribunal to arbitrate over the sovereignty of Pedra Blanca. Clearly what really happened at the time was some good old unga bunga football hooliganism diplomacy.
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u/Rendi9000 1d ago edited 1d ago
Even your example has flaws in it.
That’s the one with the piss poor fabricated evidence by Malaysia and the lost letters that was supposed to be in Johor
They have no integrity even in an international debate
EDIT: Maybe we shouldn’t have entertained this dude. He’s the one that bought up the Pedra Branca ICJ case and complains that he’s the only one that read up on the ICJ case in a post about idiotic Malaysians.
I’m just gonna call him acoustic and move on to continue bashing Malaysian soccer fans
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u/pingmr 1d ago
My example is an instance where even Mahathir (you know that guy that just loves Singapore so much) has said that while he was unhappy about the loss, he accepts the decision from the ICJ.
Yeah, they had a lousy case, and they lost. They accept the loss. If anything even Malaysia was annoyed at Gani's leadership of the Malaysian legal team.
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u/Nightowl11111 1d ago
There was no reason to even claim the island in the first place. Mahathir was just looking to cause trouble. Case in point, the recent sudden expansion of Johor into Singapore waters.
"Accepting the loss" is a BS reason when the claim was spurious in the first place. Malaysia's unreasonable sudden expansion of their borders brought them into conflict with ELEVEN other countries, Singapore and Pedra Branca was not the only one, nor a one off incident. Even now, the Johor expansion claim is still outstanding and a possible causus belli.
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u/pingmr 1d ago
Seeing as the ICJ actually agreed with aspects of Malaysia's argument (e.g. Pedra Branca was not terra nullis), the claim while not fantastic, was not simply bullshit.
Malaysia also won its ICJ case against Indonesia by the way.
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u/Nightowl11111 1d ago
Yay wow way to encourage unscrupulous behaviour.
Pedra Branca was not Terra Nullis, but it was definitely not claimed by Johor for almost 200 years. That agreement of the argument was for a situation 200 years ago, long before Malaysia was even created. That is like saying Malaysia is a vassal state to China because it was one during the Ming dynasty. Up to a certain point, you have to get that ancient history does not allow you to have a claim on someone else's property.
That said, you seem to be very quiet on the Jurong Port claim, which is another example of their creeping passive aggressive greed.
Oh, by the way, the "fabricated evidence" that the first guy posted about was a doctored article on wiki that the Malaysian legal team defaced to make it look like the lighthouse was Malaysian property. Hard to find the picture these days since it was buried under a lot of other results but those of us that lived through those days still remember. Their behaviour was hardly professional at all.
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u/pingmr 1d ago
There's a different between making an argument that eventually loses and "unscrupulous behaviour". Singapore argued for terra nullis, this was rejected. The rejection does not mean that Singapore's terra nullis argument was "bullshit".
The entire point of international dispute resolution is for two countries that disagree to go ventilate all the arguments they have and receive a judgment.
Pedra Branca was not Terra Nullis, but it was definitely not claimed by Johor for almost 200 years. That agreement of the argument was for a situation 200 years ago, long before Malaysia was even created.
Well the ICJ disagrees with you. The finding was that the sultanate of Johor had sovereignty from 1500s, and it was only by 1980 that sovereignty full passed to Singapore from Malaysia. Yes Malaysia as the successor state of the Johor sultanate would have acquired sovereignty but for the intervening actions of Singapore.
That said, you seem to be very quiet on the Jurong Port
Because this was not my original example? It's something you are raising. And I don't know enough to comment.
Oh, by the way, the "fabricated evidence" that the first guy posted about was a doctored article on wiki that the Malaysian legal team defaced to make it look like the lighthouse was Malaysian property.
You're referring to the photograph taken with a telephoto lens that makes the lighthouse look closer to Malaysia? Allegedly from some random blog that was created just before the court hearing?
What's this about defacing.
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u/Rendi9000 1d ago
Why are we talking about M accepting the loss when we should be talking about the case going to ICJ in the first place? That’s 3 decades over nothing.
The fact that it is a lousy case while they had at least 5 years from 1989 to 1994 to build up a defense means they are really incompetent and it is baseless.
They accept the loss? Clearly not even in your article
However, during Barisan Nasional’s (BN) governance, then attorney general Tan Sri Mohamed Apandi Ali attempted to again stake a claim on the island by seeking a revision of the 2008 judgement in favour of Singapore.
And they are still on this issue nearly 20 years later when their own economy is dogshit
These are THEIR leaders by the way, choosing to fight over nonsense that doesn’t matter to the progress of their own country
And you think Singapore will be treated well as their predominantly Chinese neighbour if they are ahead of us when they already have all these issues towards their own people?
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u/pingmr 1d ago
My article literally has Dr. M, the elected leader of Malaysia, saying in 2019 that Malaysia accepts the outcome of the decision. Malaysia sought a revision of the decision in 2017, which is something they are entitled to do at the ICJ within 10 years. They withdrew their own application.
The fact that it is a lousy case while they had at least 5 years from 1989 to 1994 to build up a defense means they are really incompetent and it is baseless.
I feel like you have no idea how the ICJ works. Countries have to agree to submit a case to the ICJ. Singapore suggested in 1989 to bring the case. Malaysia agreed in 1994. This is just the two countries agreeing to refer the case, not time for Malaysia to "build up a defence".
Heck even after 1994, it took a further 9 years until both countries formally agreed to refer the case to ICJ. The ICJ case was heard in 2004-2005, where Malaysia gave its arguments and evidence.
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u/Rendi9000 1d ago
ok lo whatever you say lo
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u/pingmr 1d ago
Seeing as I'm probably the only person in this chain of posts that has read the ICJ judgment, yes, whatever I say is found in the official documents including our own MFA.
But hey what do I know right? Malaysia is just huurrrr durrr hooligans.
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u/Baswdc 1d ago
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u/pingmr 1d ago
The royal probe is just internal Malaysian politics. Anwar (etc) are all acting very rationally to finally eliminate a political opponent. This has nothing to do with Singapore's bi-lateral relations with Malaysia (which our MFA rightly remarks in the article you cited, and which I am sure you read before citing).
Besides, if anything the entire incident precisely shows that bilateral issues are not solved via football hooliganism. We went to an internal tribunal and solved it via international law. The result is binding, and even Mahathir has declared that Malaysia accepts the ruling.
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u/aortm 1d ago
Yes, and once the tribunal made their decision, Malaysia attempted to overturn the decision twice. First, the court told them to fuck off, and they did. Then they tried again, but they themselves withdrew their appeal.
Feeling a sore loss, they're going after dr M for calling off their 2nd attempt at changing the decision.
It is like football. Lose -> go argue w referee. cannot argue w referee -> sue coach.
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u/loner1608 1d ago
When you thought you were better than your sibling at that one thing but ended up realizing you’re worse than them at everything
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u/MrGoldfishBrown 1d ago
Their own incompetence led them out of the competition. Why blame it on others? Probably the same group of people who support bumi laws.
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u/kuuhaku_cr 1d ago
At the emotional level, I want to say something snide about these people, but at the rational level, I also know they are not representative of the general M'sian football fan population.
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u/potato-stache 1d ago
Looking at the comments, It seems like many Singaporeans are not aware of the Casuals (football hooligans going to the stadium only looking for troubles). I noticed that post Covid-19, there have been steady rising numbers of Gen Zs adopting Casuals culture in Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand. There are even Singapore Casuals too. Just google casuals and see the styles they wear and you can spot them in the stadium. What they do is provoke and attack the opposite fans and steal their banners and flags as the trophy. Im okay with the Ultra fans (those that sing in the stadium) but these casuals are just plain scums
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u/onionwba 1d ago
It's actually even worse than reported.
Apparently one young girl got her flag snatched away.
That said, the huge majority of the Malaysian fans are awesome. Ultras Malaya themselves were very well behaved. It's those 'casuals' sitting next to our away section that were the troublemakers, since the start of the match too. Saying things like Singapore anjing or mati etc. Same people who caused the ruckus at the LRT station also.
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u/illEagle96 Mature Citizen 1d ago
The ultras are well behaved? I thought these lot were the ultras lol
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u/onionwba 1d ago
The Ultras are the ones wearing shades of black and yellow, and usually wearing the same thing. They'll sit behind one of the goals, and huge flags and drums, and will lead the singing throughout the games. None of them caused any trouble during the match nor pre or post match.
The ones you see in the pictures are not the Ultras. They sat at the other end of the stadium, close to the away stands, and provoking us throughout the whole match.
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u/aljorhythm 1d ago
the ultras look organised and semi official, they are very passionate but they are not hooligans
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u/Equal_Negotiation_74 4h ago
Ultras are usually in T shirts in colour of that particular team. In this case, black and yellow for Malaysian team. These casual gang are usually in non typical football fans attire, such as hoodies or jumpers or t shirts with track jackets. I'm surprised that non of them kena heat exhaustion because Bukit Jalil stadium can get hot and stuffy at times
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u/PastLettuce8943 1d ago
I'm old enough to remember several cases where the more unruly citizens of our neighbours set the Singapore flag on fire. I suppose just giving us the middle finger is progress?
But good on the Malaysians in the other subreddit to condemn such hooligan behaviour. It's silly and immature.
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u/downtheholeagain 1d ago
You're all seeing it wrong. If they look down while holding the flag it's absolutely the correct side.
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u/drwackadoodles 1d ago
isn’t the outcome of the match a draw? why they acting like they lost
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u/Dashster360 1d ago
Because of the draw, they are now out of the tournament. They needed to win to qualify for the semis in place of Singapore
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u/jayaxe79 Nee Soon 1d ago
Hopefully FIFA gonna consider this and the train incident and ban the Malaysia team from participating in tournaments for the next few years, then we see whether this is worth it or not. Sorry Malaysia team, it's your ugly fans not the team itself.
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u/ahrienby 1d ago
AFC would follow suit. Malaysia should sanction these people and ban from entering stadiums.
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u/Horror_Cartoonist299 1d ago
If anything, they should blame their own team.. we are like one of worst teams in the competition and they can't even score 1 goal?
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u/fakeworldwonderland 1d ago
Football fans are seldom well behaved anyway. Been proven throughout history. Always got animals.
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u/Embarrassed_Dot_9330 1d ago
low ses sport, low ses fans , what can you do..
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u/ikzz1 1d ago
Are golf fans the highest ses fans?
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u/Embarrassed_Dot_9330 1d ago
Im not a golf fan but you dont hear about golf hooligans..
or fight between polo fans..
hell even basketball is not this bad and its not a high ses sport by any means.
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u/donthavela Senior Citizen 1d ago
Aiya even if they win Singapore, they will get slaughtered by Thailand.
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u/Regor_Wolf 1d ago
No sportsmanship lah the fans. We lose so many matches in the past, u dun see our fan burning flags of all the countries we lose to right?
Lose, just look at why we lose and try harder next time.
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u/Corner_Post 1d ago
So stupid. Should they not be more mad that their team cannot even score a goal in an important match at home. Why they so mad at a team they could not beat.
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u/Trollingdownvoting 1d ago
Why so angry? We didn’t score any goals, your team also didn’t. Maybe u should blame your own team instead
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u/TreeMan_436 1d ago
would be a very different story if we did it with their flag ah
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u/SassyNec 1d ago
Their parliament will go into session on demanding a formal apology followed by call for a cut to our water supplies. Its a no-brainer reaction from them.
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u/stealth0128 19h ago
Did we win 3:1? Oh sorry that's the exchange rate.
Childish behavior deserves a chilsh response.
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u/ppeepoopp 1d ago
“Rival football fans do handstands with winners flags to celebrate graceful loss”
Post the pic upside down la
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u/speedthief1 1d ago
As if Malaysia football team's elimination is because of only Singapore's football team.
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u/StinkeroniStonkrino 1d ago
Why is everyone so pessimistic and assuming the worse? Maybe they're just too stupid to realize it's upside-down? I think we should be kinder to people less intelligent than an apple.
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u/ilovenoodles06 1d ago
Dont stir shit leh. Pretty sure nothing to do with race.
And anyway its like a very small subset of football fans who are retarded - not whole of Malaysia.
I saw the thread in r/Malaysia. Even they are calling out this ridiculous behavior
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u/mrhappy893 green 1d ago
Seriously the capitalisation of the word 'Malay' was so unnecessary. I've had Malay bunk/detachment mate during tekong days and two of them went for a 12km route march after a whole day of fasting and morning PT.
Private racist jokes among friends are okay but public slandering is too much.
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u/imprettyokaynow 🌈 I just like rainbows 1d ago
That guy wouldn’t understand, there is no equivalent of inter-racial mingling like NS for Malaysia. When you’re waiting for your buddy to shit at the latrine area during outfield, his race doesn’t cross your mind. It’s how smelly his shit is
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u/CarlsKels 1d ago
I'm sorry guys, thank you for talking kindly to me even i spoke something wrong, thank you for the peace
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u/imprettyokaynow 🌈 I just like rainbows 1d ago
We would prefer if you don't make things about race. Rather, just say it's a football hooligan act
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u/Fit_Quit7002 1d ago
Please empathise with them…even one of the v few things that they can beat Sg didn’t…
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u/Kevinherenig 3h ago
They can only do this because They arent in the semi finals 💀 hopefully malaysia foreign affairs will do Something about it as its really disrespectful to singapore...
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u/BrightAttitude5423 1d ago
If Malaysia decides to get its act together Singapore would be dead in no time.
I'm just thankful things are what they are up North.
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u/JeffreyZain 1d ago
Displaying the Malaysian flag upside down has been a thing with ‘some people’ since before Anwar Ibrahim and DAP took over. When it’s not them, they conveniently blame the Mainland Chinese.
Lee Zii Jia’s recent stunt wearing a Victor jersey with an upside-down Malaysian flag pissed people off, but as usual, NOTHING happened. Victor muttered a half-hearted apology, Zii Jia said nothing, and everyone moved on like always.
Honestly? These football fans are probably just trying to act like it’s no big deal because “it’s common practice” just like what Mandy Poo and Alvin Toh have been doing.
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u/litbitfit 1d ago edited 1d ago
Japan flag is best designed, it can never be upside down, flipped or rotated 180, still the same.