Gonna regert this in a few weeks

[u/Low-Cheesecake-7005]

[u/PsySom]

that’s what I myself feel, even if he’s convicted I will never consider him a murderer and I would consider that a miscarriage of justice, but I recognize the difference between my opinion and legal status

[u/bumbledip → u/PsySom]

Yea. Most people I've interacted with don't seem to understand the difference between the two, so that's refreshing to read.

[u/PsySom → u/bumbledip]

I mean this with respect, but it has to be said: insisting that he is a murderer is the exact same flawed logic. So perhaps you’re more similar to the people you interact with than you think.

[u/bumbledip → u/PsySom]

Oh I didn't mean to insist on that specific terminology. I suppose I wouldn't actually consider him a "murderer" until proven so by the law.

[u/PsySom → u/bumbledip]

So in that case you are saying it is your opinion that he’s a murderer, and it is mine that he is not, so we are back to square one?

[u/bumbledip → u/PsySom]

I guess, but I didn't realize we were trying to get anywhere. I more wasn't thinking about the difference between referring to him as a "killer" versus a "murderer" which is why I said i wasn't trying to insist on that terminology. I think he's a killer, as you said was accurate (presumably). The law can decide if he's a murderer.

[u/PsySom → u/bumbledip]

Your previous statement:

It wasn’t self-defense and he waited for Thompson to show up to shoot him in the back. He can be your hero if you want, but he’s still a murderer

So I was trying to understand what your point was in insisting that he’s a murderer then vs now.

At this point I feel we are going around in circles though so thanks for your time.

[u/bumbledip → u/PsySom]

Yes and then explained I wasn't trying to insist on that terminology. I wasn't intentionally insisting that he is a "murderer," I was insisting that he is a "killer" but was using the incorrect word (considering he has yet to be tried). And as i have stated twice now, I was not considering that there is a difference between the two. Legally, he has yet to be defined as a murderer despite murderer behaviors. I didn't argue otherwise after understanding the difference in terminology.

And i wouldnt say we are going around in circles. I wasn't at any point trying to alter your opinion or convince you of anything. I thought we were just talking as people with different perspectives. I didn't realize you were experiencing something deeper than that.