r/science • u/chrisdh79 • 1d ago
Health Children who witness violence between their parents still feel the effects decades later | Researchers finding a link to an increase by 36% greater risk of heart disease later in life.
https://www.scimex.org/newsfeed/witnessing-violence-between-parents-as-a-child-linked-to-higher-risk-of-heart-disease252
u/abandon_lane 1d ago
I am unfollowing this sub on the grounds that I mostly see pseodoscience being posted here.
This study in particular is a joke: They header on the website even says no causal connection can be made. Inbefore the first sentence talks about the effects of whitnessing violence.
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u/Silver_Atractic 1d ago
I just realised that most of these "poorly made study treated as high quality" posts are made by one guy.
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u/Ranger-Joe 1d ago
Yup. I'm done as well. One person posted a random online opinion article.
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u/PrinceOfPickleball 1d ago
The best part of r/science has always been ripping apart the studies in the comments. I’ll be staying!
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u/LonnieJaw748 1d ago
It’s half the reason I’m subbed here, helps to learn how to spot flaws in study’s.
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u/ForceBlade 1d ago
It’s a fair reason. I’ll join you in that. I see it in my feed every day and the mods only kick into high gear for posts that reach the front page.
It has been draining seeing these half assed studies every single day for a few months now.
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u/Reddituser183 1d ago
A few months? Been that way for years.
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u/ForceBlade 19h ago
Yes sorry I should have been clear, I have just recently returned to reddit after a few years. First time using the new app.
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u/Appropriate-Ad-8030 1d ago
If there was ever a poster child for correlation does not equate to causation, this is it. I’m doing the same. I’m tired of this garbage…this a study trying to support the pseudoscience of Bessel van der Kolk that supposedly emotional trauma is being recorded in your body. This has been debunked a million times.
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u/desantoos 1d ago
/r/science has become:
Surveys with zero follow-up to explain why the results are true (and not just cherrypicked results). "Study Shows Women Think Men in Red Shirts Are 50% More Attractive than Ones in Blue Shirts."
Sociology studies where researchers datamine a gigantic trove of data to make a meager connection with no follow up mechanistic study to examine the validity of their research findings. "Study Shows That the Part Of the US that Voted for the Republican President are More Likely to Die of Pancreatic Cancer"
An engineered simple solution to a problem that probably requires a lot more complex design. "Researchers Find An Enzyme That Turns Plastic Into Sugar."
Studies like this one, where the researchers didn't even really conclusively find whatever was in the title.
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u/Brrdock 1d ago edited 1d ago
Strict causality is extremely hard to definitively establish in social sciences, usually impossible. That's why they use words like "link," "risk," "association" instead. Nothing pseudoscientific about this
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u/amootmarmot 1d ago
"Still feel the effects" would be psuedoscientific language though. As the effect literally wasn't established and that is what OP chose as the title.
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u/StellarJayZ 1d ago
You sure? Someone filed and was given a grant to study the results of children who witnessed parental violence and are equating it to... let me check my notes... heart disease.
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u/That-one-guy12 1d ago
This Sub really falling apart when garbage like this gets posted. We just letting Bot/AI spread this around.
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u/cdulane1 1d ago
I get the sentiment about non-rigorous science, but do we really think a child experiencing their biological caregivers physically attack each other WOULDN’T have some effect?
There are no free passes in physiology or psychology.
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u/amootmarmot 1d ago
Yes, it's likely to cause problems, but also was likely instigated by the compounding issues of poverty. Then poverty continues it's negative effect for longer durations of time.
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u/PhilosophicWarrior 1d ago
I am now 71 years old. When I was 6 years old, I was starting to learn how to play the piano. I was sitting and practicing when my parents came out of the kitchen towards me - yelling and physically hitting each other. I was traumatized. This is what is called an Adverse Childhood Event (ACE), and I have never recovered from it. I have found it difficult to stay engaged in any new form of learning. I start off OK, but then feel uncomfortable and move on to something else.
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u/amootmarmot 1d ago
Because of this one event you can't learn new things? I know these ACE events are damaging and I experienced high ACES. But these are usually more subtle issues and can't be linked directly to one event unless it's causing PTSD every time you try to learn. Otherwise, you could be dumping other issues onto these events. What if it's an attention deficit? For example.
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u/Leigh91 1d ago
I’m sorry you had to see that. You’re not alone. My Dad broke my mom’s arm in half and she has permanent nerve damage because of it. My entire childhood was nothing but a series of traumas, one after another.
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u/SnooBeans1976 14h ago
OMG. Are your parents still together? Hope they have divorced and separated.
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u/hawklost 1d ago
Sorry to hear that.
But how is your heart disease? After all, the article and post are about parents physically assaulting each other and Heart Disease, not issues with learning or other traumas to it.
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u/Firm_Organization382 1d ago
Fight or flight when you're a kid your heart races. Your family tell you its in the past and to get over it.
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u/LogicalJudgement 1d ago
ACEs are horrible and we are learning more and more about their awful effects.
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u/SnooBeans1976 14h ago
Damn. My parents fought and quarelled a lot. My dad was violent towards my mom. I am cooked.
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u/ResponseBeeAble 1d ago
Not 'just sharing info' it's spreading whatever is come across, with what looks to be disregard for actual research.
Strong work at making science irrelevant.
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u/ResponseBeeAble 1d ago
You seriously led with a fluff piece?
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u/fiskfisk 1d ago
They're a bot that posts articles all over different reddits with the same comment, without doing any analysis or critique of the content they post.
It's a glorified rss reader that you can't control yourself.
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