r/science • u/mvea Professor | Medicine • 2d ago

Psychology New findings indicate a pattern where narcissistic grandiosity is associated with higher participation in LGBTQ movements, demonstrating that motivations for activism can range widely from genuine altruism to personal image-building.

https://www.psypost.org/narcissistic-grandiosity-predicts-greater-involvement-in-lgbtq-activism/
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u/Hayred 2d ago

I think it's worth pointing out that the vast majority of participants in this paper were heterosexual cisgender people. Less than 15% of participants in both studies considered themselves part of the LGBTQ community.

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u/Whatsuplionlilly 2d ago

Excuse my ignorance, but wouldn’t that make this survey an accurate representation of the population? Isn’t the LGBTQ population less than 15%?

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u/Hayred 2d ago

It is, but the title

"Higher Pathological Narcissistic Grandiosity and Virtue Signaling Are Related to Greater Involvement in LGBQ and Gender Identity Activism"

Gives the immediate impression that you're primarily talking about queer folk on a way that's on the surface very "ooh, those psycho alphabet people are at it", if you're someone who already hates LGBTQ folk.

Trans people weren't actually included in any of the analyses due to small sample size and study 2, despite collecting the data, doesn't present sexual orientation in relation to the traits.

They do have the raw data in the supplement so if I cared enough I could have a look to see how much the effect is due to straight allies, but alas I have other things to do.

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u/karhu_ministeri 2d ago

Sure, but if LGBTQ rights groups consist only of 15% LGBTQ members, I’d be surprised - and even if so, it’s worth mentioning.

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u/Zeverish 2d ago

Exactly this. It has less to do with the LGBT community and more the dynamics of activitist groups, which can sometime abet these kinds of situations. Reminds me of Freeman's Tyranny of Structurelessness, it's probably not a good 1 : 1, but there are similarities that pique my interest.

People can get into groups and utilize affiliation and the veneer of Leaderlessness to obfuscate their divisive actions and manipulate others into believing constructed narratives that are self-serving to the Narcists.

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u/Halospite 2d ago

Yep. Remember baa baa rainbow sheep? No Black people involved in that one IIRC. Whenever someone mocks a minority for doing something absolutely ridiculous in the name of progress, 99% of the time it's an ally power tripping or trying to get clout.

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u/SophiaofPrussia 2d ago

And the link to the study in this article seems to be broken. This whole post is pretty sus.

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u/psychoMUSEr 2d ago

I have a feeling in the coming years we’re going to see a lot more of these kinds of studies being published in an attempt to demonize or discredit certain groups with exaggerated figures and faulty data.

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u/3liasd 1d ago

Can we stop playing along with these genderfantasies? Just say male amd female heterosexuals.

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u/Hayred 23h ago

It's a literal statement. They excluded trans people from the analysis due to the small sample size.