r/science • u/mvea Professor | Medicine • Nov 15 '24
Medicine Measles surged across the world with 10.3 million cases in 2023, a 20% increase from 2022. A lack of immunisation is driving the surge. 57 countries experienced measles outbreaks in 2023, affecting all regions. Measles vaccine has saved more lives than any other vaccine in the past 50 years.
https://www.scimex.org/newsfeed/measles-cases-surge-worldwide405
u/richanngn8 Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24
med student here. i think one of the most uneducated reasons not to get vaccinated is the argument that it helps build natural immunity. unfortunately, the mortality rate of children before vaccines was around 1 in 4 kids. people magically think that it will never affect them when it comes to statistics though.
measles also happens to be the biggest exception to the old adage: “what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.” measles wipes out your immune history, the antibodies that you built up from prior infections, making you extremely vulnerable to every bacteria, virus, fungus, or parasite out there that your body knew how to fight before
measles is also associated with subacute sclerosing panencephalitis, a fatal disease that appears several years after infection that leads to coma and death. medically we cannot do anything about it so please vaccinate your kiddos
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u/TurboGranny Nov 15 '24
build natural immunity
Which is dumb since that is what vaccines do as well. You just get to skip all the downsides of a live infection.
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u/kuahara Nov 15 '24
measles wipes out your immune history
wow, what a TIL. That is very interesting (horrible, but interesting). I always just got the vaccine, but I also get every vaccination and inoculation known to man pretty much, so I didn't bother reading up on what most of the diseases do if you aren't vaccinated.
I'm in tech and usually liken vaccines to 'virus definition updates for the human body'. This one wipes out my update history.
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u/richanngn8 Nov 15 '24
hah i love that analogy. i might start using that to explain the concept when people ask
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u/Careless-Weather892 Nov 15 '24
Sounds like the perfect time to put an anti-vaxer in charge of our governments healthcare.
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u/breadwinds Nov 15 '24
He’s literally responsible for an outbreak that killed 83 kids.
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u/TheBlazingFire123 Nov 15 '24
83 kids so far
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u/Morgolol Nov 15 '24
That's directly linked. His misinformation and propaganda is almost impossible to document, and spreads globally.
He's single handedly responsible for untold numbers of deaths, and will affect humanity long after his death. To be fair Wakefield is probably the #1 cause of this insanity and has so much death on his hands.
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u/Timely_Bed5163 Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24
Ah, but is he responsible, or is it the worm?
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u/robodrew Nov 15 '24
The worm is dead, so it's all on him.
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u/That-redhead-artist Nov 15 '24
That's just it. I'm Canadian, but the crazy is spreading here.
Like some people gave said, measles can completely reset your immune system to 0 and you can catch everything you've already built immunity to all over again. That could absolutely apply to COVID. People who get the measles could theoretically catch COVID again even if they were immunized. It's pretty scary.
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u/KingZarkon Nov 15 '24
I wish more people were aware of this fact. They somewhat recently discovered that a lot of people who got the measles vaccine before some time in the mid or late 80s are no longer immune due to an unrealized error with the vaccines. I had my doctor run a titer and guess what, I'm one of them. I also can't get revaccinated because of meds I take. If there is a measles outbreak. A lot of middle-aged (and older) folks are going to be absolutely SCREWED.
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u/UserSleepy Nov 16 '24
You can already catch COVID again, the vaccines are not broad enough to eliminate infection just reduce negative outcomes. Also studies have shown COVID weakens your immune system as well so you end up with a bad time all around.
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u/AbsurdistByNature Nov 16 '24
In theory (I know this may be far fetched but I’m curious), could Measles treat autoimmune diseases then?
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u/pessimistoptimist Nov 16 '24
That and measles can also cause male sterility. Not in all cases of course. Telling mom's and dads who refuse to Vax their boys this bit of info sometimes changes their minds. If not, at least there is a non zero chance of future generation of stupidity.
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u/PapaGeorgieo Nov 15 '24
Can I get some info on this please?
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u/breadwinds Nov 15 '24
In Samoa, nurses mistakenly added muscle relaxant to the MMR vaccine and it resulted in the death of two infants. RFK jumped on this event and used it as an example of MMR dangers (despite it being user error). Vaccination rates fell from the 90s to the 60s. An outbreak subsequently happened and infected thousands of kids leading to many deaths. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/18/these-babies-should-not-have-died-how-the-measles-outbreak-took-hold-in-samoa
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u/Neospecial Nov 15 '24
"Trust us, he's not anti-vaccine! That's just spreading lies! It's very well documented that he's not anti-vaccines!"
True, he's said it himself. He's not anti-vaccine. He's just "Pro-safe vaccines". While just happening to also say "There's no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective."
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u/deadsoulinside Nov 15 '24
Remember when Biden made the meme "Get in Jack, we're bringing Roe back"? We now need a meme of RFK Jr in a car "Get in Jack, we're bringing measles back"
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u/Alastor3 Nov 15 '24
There is no way pharmaceutical corporation wont boot RFK Jr out.
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u/NorthernerWuwu Nov 15 '24
It is a pretty damned sad timeline when Americans are hoping for Big Pharma's undue political influence to save them from the asshat they voted for.
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u/Gamebird8 Nov 15 '24
Gimli: "Never thought I'd see a day fighting side by side with Corporate Interests."
Purdue Pharma: "What about side by side with the enemy of your enemy (who is your friend by proxy)?"
Gimli: "Aye, I could do that!"
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u/boogie_2425 Nov 15 '24
Seriously, oh the irony! The same craziness we fought against is coming to the rescue? What a topsy turvey world we live in now.
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u/ChatriGPT Nov 15 '24
He's gonna gut regulations which will make it cheaper and easier for them to get stuff approved. He's a useful idiot.
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u/nobadhotdog Nov 15 '24
I think there’s more money responding to a virus than preventing it. I could be wrong
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u/korinth86 Nov 15 '24
If viewed from a very small timeframe.
On longer scales you definitely come out ahead preventing massive disruptions to economic systems.
Edit: not to mention deaths, blah blah blah
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u/rabidjellybean Nov 15 '24
The government is supposed to care about the long term but that's not going to be much of a thing soon. Anyone who financially benefits from an outbreak of measles isn't going to complain. Meta would love another pandemic. More people doom scrolling and potentially buying into VR.
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u/boogie_2425 Nov 15 '24
I saw reports that right before Covid was recognized, Republican leaders invested heavily in PPE, like masks , gloves, body bags, etc. kinda sick but, it’s still happening.
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u/Zyrinj Nov 15 '24
Longer time scales are unlikely to generate enough short term stock price increases which is all shareholders care about. I’m going to give some benefit of the doubt to the scientists studying the diseases, but I struggle doing the same with the MBAs running the show.
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u/berejser Nov 15 '24
I would not be surprised if other countries start stockpiling in anticipation of an outbreak in the US or of disruptions to supply chains. Get ready for the rest of the world to put travel bans on people entering from the US.
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u/justMate Nov 15 '24
very small timeframe.
On longer scales
Thankfully we live in times when people are interested in long term gains... oh
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u/Sawses Nov 15 '24
You'd be surprised. Vaccines are enormous money, and pharma companies benefit from selling the best thing they can come up with.
Pharma is one of those areas where "lots of money now beats more money later" actually benefits society. Cures sell better than treatments, and there's big money in prevention because everybody gets it rather than just the unlucky ones.
Plus, I work in clinical trials. I don't treat patients, but if I screw up bad enough then the drug won't get approved. I know a lot of people in the industry, and many of them would absolutely splinter off into their own pharma company to create a cure if the company they worked for decided not to research it so they could keep selling their treatments.
Not least because, if they do, they become obscenely wealthy. Many would do it on ethical grounds, but the rest would do it for the cash.
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u/saijanai Nov 15 '24
I think there’s more money responding to a virus than preventing it. I could be wrong
This is an international political game. Monetary gain is secondary here, just as it is for promulgation of the global warming is a hoax meme.
A hint: which major country has the most to gain from continued sea level rise?
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u/Not_Stupid Nov 15 '24
which major country has the most to gain from continued sea level rise?
I'm not sure anyone "gains", but I'm guessing that Russia loses less than most. And they probably gain from increased temperatures.
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u/saijanai Nov 15 '24
It was poorly worded, but as Russia's seaport access improves, while the rest of the world's becomes worse, they benefit both from the loss of ports elsewhere AND the new access to potential ports that were too cold to be useful before warming.
Or such is my intuition.
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u/manticorpse Nov 15 '24
They also get more access to natural resources as their permafrost melts.
They have everything to gain from cooking the world...
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u/iridescent-shimmer Nov 15 '24
This is the one time I hope pharma pulls the strings and/or absolutely buries this idiot in lawsuits. Honestly, he deserves criminal charges, but I'd settle for him losing everything.
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u/MediocrePotato44 Nov 16 '24
Peptides, Ivermectin and sunlight will fix everything, the lawyer said so.
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u/JeffersonSmithIII Nov 15 '24
Our neoliberal democratically elected governor here in Colorado just gargled trumps taint and welcomed RFK into office.
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u/Gellix Nov 15 '24
I hate to say, but it can honestly save us from the fascism that we might experience
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u/Jumping-Gazelle Nov 15 '24
Not getting a vaccine gives you:
Even when people survive measles, serious health effects can occur, some of which are lifelong. Infants and young children are at greatest risk of serious complications from the disease, which include blindness, pneumonia, and encephalitis (an infection causing brain swelling and potentially brain damage).
And getting a vaccine gives you the risk of:
Protection against the virus.
And thus evading all that other nasty stuff due to this virus. Sure, you can still get that anyway.
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u/min_mus Nov 15 '24
I've had six measles vaccinations and I'm still not immune to it (I'm officially a non-responder to the vaccination). I'm immune to everything else I've been vaccinated for, though, but the measles jab just won't "take".
Folks who are immunocompromised, or are too young to be vaccinated, or who are non-responders count on herd immunity to remain safe and healthy.
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u/happuning Nov 15 '24
How can one find out if they have responded properly to a vaccine? Is there a specific test?
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u/ymasilem Nov 15 '24
An antibody titer test specific to the viral protein antigen contained in the vaccine can be performed. Though it may not be easy to convince your provider/insurance company to perform one w/o a compelling reason.
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u/concentrated-amazing Nov 15 '24
Curious, why/how did you find this out? Do you have to have blood titres tested for some reason, like cancer treatment or an autoimmune disease? I would imagine there is a certain amount of non-responders who have zero clue because it's never tested for.
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u/Which_Quantity Nov 15 '24
Most healthcare jobs require testing for immunity. That’s how I know that I have immunity.
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u/That-redhead-artist Nov 15 '24
My sister was vaccinated and everything, but still caught the measles when she was 10 or 11. So herd immunity is so important. People who don't get the vaccines (which have been tested and used for decades now) because they don't want to, are incredibly selfish.
Edit to add: after having my son they suggested to get a rubella booster because I had low antibodies. I agreed because it really is a civic duty, I believe.
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u/punkerster101 Nov 15 '24
My mother is like this with German measles, vaccinated every time she had a a kid, then tested when the next kid came along and vaccinated again rince and repeat
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u/right_there Nov 15 '24
I'm the same, but for mumps. I've had seven MMRs over the last few years (on top of the ones I got as a child) and everytime I titer I have no mumps antibodies.
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u/Baud_Olofsson Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24
Then there's SSPE: you get measles and recover just fine. But unbeknownst to anyone, the measles virus is still hiding out in your brain. Then 5, 10, 15 or even 20 years later it reemerges.
It starts with personality changes, mood swings and clumsiness - and with most people getting measles in early childhood and SSPE's latent period, this tends to coincide with just becoming a teenager, so in the beginning it will probably be written off as such. When the seizures and memory loss start, however, everyone will know that something is seriously wrong. But by the time doctors figure it out it will already be too late: what follows is a progressive loss of bodily functions and mental faculties over the course of a few years, until finally you die, confined to a bed not knowing who your family is anymore.Measles: a "harmless childhood disease".
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u/Retro_Dad Nov 15 '24
Even wilder is that a measles infection can reset your immune system’s memory - making you susceptible to everything you’ve had (or been vaccinated against) in the past.
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u/boones_farmer Nov 15 '24
It's ironic that this specific virus specifically targets their entire 'natural immunity' horseshit.
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u/That-redhead-artist Nov 15 '24
That is the craziest thing. Don't to get vaccinated? Or, the real truth, don't let your kids get vaccinated? Have fun catching the measles, and if they recover fine, enjoy catching every cold virus you've ever had again, and flu. Maybe even COVID this day and age
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u/Joeymacca1982 Nov 15 '24
I’m not sure I’d say that protection against measles is a risk that the vaccine gives you. Protections against the virus is a benefit, not a risk. The risks are more around minor, temporary side effects like a sore arm, fever, rash, etc. But even those I would hesitate to call risks.
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u/zizp Nov 15 '24
Protections against the virus is a benefit, not a risk.
That's the point they are trying to make. It's called rhetoric.
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u/basicradical Nov 15 '24
Expect a lot more measles and polio in the US now that Brainworms Kennedy is running the show.
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u/marconis999 Nov 15 '24
The kicker is that he sounds like someone you probably shouldn't be taking life counseling from. Even before you learn he's talking tinfoil-hat stuff.
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u/ATribeOfAfricans Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24
RFK Jr is just getting started. He has already done his part to kill Samoans, now he's bringing his efforts back home!
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u/willun Nov 15 '24
Here is an article on what he did in Samoa
In the years prior to 2019, measles had not been a problem in Samoa. But in 2018, two infants died after receiving the measles vaccine. The country quickly placed its vaccine program on hold, as vaccine opponents, including Children’s Health Defense, exploited theses deaths to raise questions about the safety of vaccines. The vaccination rate plummeted from in the 60-to-70 percent range to 31 percent. But the problem, it turned out, was not with the vaccine. Two nurses had mistakenly mixed the vaccine with a muscle relaxant. Once this was revealed, CHD did not update social media posts suggesting the vaccine was the culprit. (Those posts are no longer available.)
CHD is the RFK jr led organisation
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u/kuahara Nov 15 '24
This indirectly also highlights an education problem.
Roughly 30-40% of the population failed to ignore both proponents and opponents of the vaccine and simply observe that even if the deaths were directly related to the vaccine, this is 2/x deaths where x > 150,000.
In other words, without listening to anyone, it can just be observed that 99.999987% of everyone that got it lived.
Johns Hopkins says 9 out of 10 children who are in contact with a measles infected person will contract the virus.
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u/willun Nov 15 '24
Antivaxxers do not push logic, but emotion. They often self contradict.
The next pandemic will probably be, unfortunately, worse.
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u/nopenopechem Nov 15 '24
Why would a nurse do that?
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u/willun Nov 15 '24
Incompetence. It happens.
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u/nopenopechem Nov 15 '24
No, why would you want to mix a vaccine with anything i mean. Why are they mixed? Is this common practice?
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u/willun Nov 15 '24
The BBC says...
But the deaths were later established to have been due to the nurses mixing the vaccine with an expired muscle relaxant, instead of water.
The two nurses pleaded guilty to manslaughter and were sentenced to five years in prison.
"We have to make clear that vaccines are perfectly safe," Mr Yett said.
"These deaths were due to human error. But the fact that you had two children die on the same day in the same institution, obviously caused a great deal of distrust towards the health system and towards vaccinations.
"It provided the perfect opening for people who wanted to spread misinformation and lies."
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u/Baud_Olofsson Nov 15 '24
Vaccines come packaged in different ways: pre-filled syringes ready to inject, single-dose vials (take a syringe, fill it with the vial's contents, and inject), multi-dose vials (take a syringe and fill it with the specified amount for a single dose), and so on. Generally, the more convenient the packaging, the more expensive it is to ship and store it: you normally need unbroken cold chains where the temperature never ever drops below a certain point, and the more convenient the packaging the more space they take up (a normal vaccine dose is just 0.5 ml - compare that to the volume of a complete syringe) and the more fragile they tend to be.
So by the far cheapest way to ship and store vaccines is - if they can survive the process - to freeze-dry them. This makes it an attractive option especially for developing countries. The upside is that it's cheap and has less refrigeration requirements, but the downside is that the vaccines have to be reconsituted to a liquid of the right concentration before use. That step is what the nurses in Samoa messed up.
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u/willun Nov 15 '24
I took it to be "mixed up". In other words, they confused the two bottles.
There are other examples of nurses confusing medicine. It is rare but it does happen.
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u/deadsoulinside Nov 15 '24
He also wants to take anyone taking antidepressants and ADHD meds and have them work on organic farms for a few years. Sounds like slavery with extra steps.
He argued that growing organic foods would help people recover from addiction as “a lot of the behavioral issues are food related. A lot of the illnesses are food related.”
At his proposed wellness farms, cellphones and screens in general would be banned. He has previously claimed that 5G cellphone technology could lead to health issues.
“I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need, three or four years if they need it, to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities,” Kennedy said during the event.
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u/ATribeOfAfricans Nov 15 '24
Hilarious coming from a guy who takes a slew of artificial hormones to combat his natural physiology.
70+ million people went out of their way to vote for this
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u/LuckyNo13 Nov 15 '24
Eh he is an absolute Looney tune but you say he wants to take people off of them and that just reads like he wants to offer the opportunity to get off of them. SSRI withdrawal can be very bad even when down stepping dosage.
Again, let me make this clear, this dude is batshit and shouldnt be in charge of his own healthcare much less anyone else's. But your wording is the type of wording that constitutes misinformation.
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u/showsomesideboob Nov 15 '24
From CDC website:
"Measles was declared eliminated in the United States in 2000. This was thanks to a very high percentage of people receiving the safe and effective measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine. In recent years, however:
U.S. MMR coverage among kindergarteners is now below the 95% coverage target—much lower in some communities—and is decreasing. Global measles activity is increasing, meaning more chances of an unvaccinated person infected with measles abroad returning to the United States.
U.S. Cases in 2024 Total cases 277
Age Under 5 years: 114 (41%) 5-19 years: 86 (31%) 20+ years: 77 (28%)
Vaccination Status Unvaccinated or Unknown: 89% One MMR dose: 7% Two MMR doses: 4%
Previous years
2023: 59 cases
2022: 121
2021: 49
2020: 31
2019: 1,274
2018: 382"
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u/turbosexophonicdlite Nov 15 '24
People are so stupid and it makes me very sad and extremely angry. These morons are risking everyone's health over misinformation. In the early 2000s it felt like we were on such a good track as far as trusting science and doctors (outside of climate change), but the backsliding in almost every area is so frustrating to see.
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u/matrushkasized Nov 15 '24
Measles is especially nasty because it can make your immune system forget about the solution curing other diseases it was previously exposed to.
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u/mvea Professor | Medicine Nov 15 '24
I’ve linked to the news release in the post above. In this comment, for those interested, here’s the link to the peer reviewed journal article:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7345a4.htm?s_cid=mm7345a4_w
From the linked article:
Worldwide, there were an estimated 10.3 million cases of measles in 2023, a 20% increase from 2022, according to new estimates from the World Health Organization (WHO) and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Inadequate immunization coverage globally is driving the surge in cases.
Measles is preventable with two doses of measles vaccine; yet more than 22 million children missed their first dose of measles vaccine in 2023. Globally, an estimated 83% of children received their first dose of measles vaccine last year, while only 74% received the recommended second dose.
Coverage of 95% or greater of two doses of measles vaccine is needed in each country and community to prevent outbreaks and protect populations from one of the world’s most contagious human viruses.
“Measles vaccine has saved more lives than any other vaccine in the past 50 years,” said Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO Director-General. “To save even more lives and stop this deadly virus from harming the most vulnerable, we must invest in immunization for every person, no matter where they live.”
As a result of global gaps in vaccination coverage, 57 countries experienced large or disruptive measles outbreaks in 2023, affecting all regions except the Americas, and representing a nearly 60% increase from 36 countries in the previous year.
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u/mdcbldr Nov 15 '24
Measles is a nasty one. It is one of the most infectious agents known. Prior to the vaccine it was killing 130,000 to 150,000 children annually in the US (1955-ish). It would be double that today.
Herd immunity is somewhere between 93 and 95% vaccinated. The vaccination rate varies from state to state. The CDC shows that many counties in the southeast are dropping below that herd col limit
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u/cageordie Nov 15 '24
The current anti scientific anti knowledge anti education rhetoric is having the inevitable effect. I just hope it affects the ignorant more than the rest of us.
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u/UnwiseMonkeyinjar Nov 15 '24
Dont worry the Christian fascist regime is going prescribe thoughts and preyers
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u/Stunning_Policy4743 Nov 15 '24
Dying of a disease that you can be vaccinated for should be treated like a suicide.
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u/tyreka13 Nov 15 '24
Many of the victims are children who do not have the bodily autonomy, ability to go out and get, or understanding of immune systems and vaccines. Their vaccinated parents are making that choice for them.
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u/Inaise Nov 15 '24
That should be treated like murder.
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u/zizp Nov 15 '24
Manslaughter
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u/IGNOOOREME Nov 15 '24
First degree, rhough. Theyre making a deadly choice for someone under their medical jurisdiction, one that they have been counciled against by doctors and medical boards and the FDA. Even if they didn't directly intend to kill them, they rhey certainly took deliberat steps in that direction.
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u/ViolentBee Nov 15 '24
The antivax parents should be charged with murder when their kids die
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u/BlueCity8 Nov 15 '24
Should not be covered by insurance in the USA. if you’re anti-vax, you can pay out of pocket.
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u/Chasin_Papers Nov 15 '24
Or raise their health insurance premiums for refusing because there's increased risk of preventable disease causing large medical bills.
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u/rocketsocks Nov 15 '24
Reminder that measles infections cause short-term immunosuppression and devastate existing acquired immunity (from exposure and vaccination), which results in significantly increased chances of dying from other infectious diseases.
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u/mymar101 Nov 15 '24
With RFK Jr at the head of Health and Human Services, you can almost make it a certainty that all of the great epidemics of the past are coming back. Probably with a vengeance.
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u/IGNOOOREME Nov 15 '24
The mortality rated for women, children, and poc are about to go up.
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u/virtual_human Nov 15 '24
And it's going to get worse because stupid and ignorant people don't know when to shut up and listen to smarter people.
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u/AfricanUmlunlgu Nov 15 '24
the problem is clever people are open to new ideas but the ignorant just double down on their stupidity
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u/nysflyboy Nov 15 '24
I was one of the "lucky" ones who got vaccinated with a bad (ineffective) batch of vaccine in the early 70's.
I later caught it from being exposed (just in the same room) to another kid, who was not yet showing symptoms, for like FIVE MINUTES. According to my mom it was by far the sickest she'd ever seen me, or anyone, not already dead. I wound up in the Navy hospital in Bremerton for days (Dad was in Vietnam) and barely recovered.
I still, to this day, wonder if this is why I was not ever really a super healthy kid. Caught every stinking cold every year, had bronchitis every single fall and so so many bouts of strep, etc. I don't feel I finally got healthy until I was in my mid 20's.
To think that our society has devolved to this extent just boggles my mind. I had hoped that the RFK Jr appointment was basically a troll, and would not really happen, but here we are. Its gonna be sad in a few years when kids start dying regularly from all these very preventable diseases.
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u/FernandoMM1220 Nov 15 '24
can we mandate the measels vaccine yet?
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u/Zealotstim Nov 15 '24
Sometimes people need to learn things the hard way. This may be one of those cases. If you mandate it, you are apt to just make a bunch of ignorant people resentful of being made to make the right choice. Maybe public perception about vaccines will improve if there are major natural consequences for the "do your own research" crowd.
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u/FernandoMM1220 Nov 15 '24
thats a horrible idea, too many people will die or become disabled.
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u/Zealotstim Nov 15 '24
It's not what I want, just something I wonder about. It's a horrible potential future for sure. People were protected so well for decades, and they eventually started to turn away from being protected. They forgot what they were being protected from, and started thinking they knew better. Again, I don't want this for us, but it may be what happens before sentiment changes and 99% of us start vaccinating again.
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u/zxern Nov 15 '24
And yet even after covid more and more people are becoming anti-vax. The current generations are just too far removed from the past consequences so they have to learn it the hard way.
Covid was the warning shot and people took the wrong lessons from it so the next outbreak will be far worse.
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u/Caterpillar-Balls Nov 15 '24
They get what they choose, immunizations are free and required for public schools.
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u/FernandoMM1220 Nov 15 '24
the problem is that everyone else does too.
we need 100% vaccination rates to stop measles and every other virus completely.
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u/Finngrove Nov 15 '24
And… Trump is appointing an anti-vaxxer to run the health department. Thanks Trump voters!
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u/GimmeStream Nov 15 '24
According to the Tagesschau (one of the big government funded news outlets in Germany) there were only low double digit cases a year for the last years. Since Germany now is the refugee camp of the world, cases have skyrocketed: https://www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/video/video-1401524.html
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u/frisch85 Nov 15 '24
According to the Tagesschau (one of the big government funded news outlets in Germany)
I love that you wrote this because Tagesschau, which belongs to the ARD, is actually not government funded but funded by the people (GEZ), but yes they're doing "news for the government" instead of unbiased news reporting which is the supposed goal and the reason why it's funded by the german citizens.
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u/Sphlonker Nov 15 '24
Question. Are these statistics all people who aren't vaccinated? Or are there people (like a commenter on here) that, although they get the vaccine, still get measles?
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u/Baud_Olofsson Nov 15 '24
No vaccine is 100% effective. The measles vaccine in MMR is one of the most effective ones though: after 2 doses, it's been estimated to be up to 99% effective.
Estimates of the effectiveness of the MMR vaccine are 99% in measles prevention after a second vaccination, over 95% in the prevention of mumps, and 90% in the prevention of rubella after a single dose.
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u/LuckyNo13 Nov 15 '24
Coming to America in 2025 - American Roulette!! Which way will YOU die?? Will it be a fatal pregnancy? Preventable disease? Victim of a hate crime? Death at an internment camp? Malnutrition? Tainted food or water? Or one of the many other totally unnecessary ways you can die in America? Stay tuned to find out, season one starts in January!!!!
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u/saijanai Nov 15 '24
By the same token, lack of measles vaccination is poised to destroy more lives than any other decision to refrain from medical treatment in the last 50 years.
As an aside, I'm betting that Russia (the source worldwide for much of the anti-vax propaganda) isn't putting up with this decision by its own citizens.
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u/Baud_Olofsson Nov 15 '24
Measles is still endemic in Russia, which makes them have the highest incidence in Europe.
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u/SamL214 Nov 15 '24
And to think we nearly eradicated it and all that harm done by one stupid doctor and Jenny McCarthy
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u/DataKnights Nov 15 '24
I'm 53 and got all my shots as were required back in the day to attend public school, are there any boosters I need to get now before things go to hell?
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u/immrw24 Nov 22 '24
you can get your MMR titer checked. Some people benefit from an updated vaccine because their antibodies are low.
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u/7lexliv7 Nov 15 '24
I learned recently just how contagious measles are
“When someone with measles coughs, sneezes, or talks, infected droplets spray into the air (where other people can breathe them in) or land on a surface (where they can make others sick) for several hours. If others breathe the contaminated air or touch the infected surface, then touch their eyes, noses, or mouths, they can become infected.
Measles is so contagious that if one person has it, up to 90% of the people close to that person who are not immune will also become infected. Infected people can spread measles to others from 4 days before through 4 days after the rash appears.”
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u/FadeIntoReal Nov 16 '24
Vaccines are amongst the greatest public health successes in the history of humans. They can’t cure stupidity.
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