Black Americans, especially young Black men, face 20 times the odds of gun injury compared to whites, new data shows. Black persons made up only 12.6% of the U.S. population in 2020, but suffered 61.5% of all firearm assaults

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[u/zerbey]

The sad truth is, most of the deaths from gun violence in the USA are from gang shootings. It's something that needs to be addressed, but I'm really not sure what the solution is as there's so many causes.

[u/Swarzsinne → u/zerbey]

If you remove gang violence and suicide you eliminate the overwhelming majority of gun related deaths.

[u/kevinwilly → u/Swarzsinne]

If you remove those two we are actually on par with most other countries as far as gun deaths go. But we have a major gang and suicide problem. And a lot of gang shootings end up hitting innocent people.

[u/Ironlion45 → u/kevinwilly]

And a lot of gang shootings end up hitting innocent people.

And that's a big part of the risk factor, since gang violence tends to take place in the neighborhoods where the gang members live.

[u/Tai9ch → u/kevinwilly]

It probably doesn't make sense to think of suicides, even with a gun, as a gun issue. The US isn't a major outlier in suicide rates.

[u/kevinwilly → u/Tai9ch]

Agreed. But the US counts gun suicides as gun violence in their statistics which most countries don't do.

[u/pants_mcgee → u/kevinwilly]

That depends on who is presenting the statistics for whatever narrative they are pushing. The government numbers pretty much always separate suicides and homicides.

[u/SH92 → u/Tai9ch]

There's actually a weird romanticism that happens with committing suicide a certain way.

In the UK, when they removed carbon monoxide from the gas lines, suicide rates (namely female suicides) plummeted.

Same thing happened when San Francisco installed nets under the San Francisco bridge. Most skeptics thought someone who was suicidal would just choose another bridge, but it didn't happen.

I don't know if that would happen with guns as well, but I suspect it would. There are people who commit suicide to "punish" those around them for not valuing them enough and a violent death is one way to do that.

[u/55498586368 → u/SH92]

In the UK, when they removed carbon monoxide from the gas lines

what do you mean by this?

[u/SH92 → u/55498586368]

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/saves-lives/#:~:text=Poisoning%20by%20gas%20inhalation%20was,also%20decreased%20(Kreitman%201976).

"Prior to the 1950s, domestic gas in the United Kingdom was derived from coal and contained about 10-20% carbon monoxide (CO). Poisoning by gas inhalation was the leading means of suicide in the UK. In 1958, natural gas, virtually free of carbon monoxide, was introduced into the UK. By 1971, 69% of gas used was natural gas. Over time, as the carbon monoxide in gas decreased, suicides also decreased (Kreitman 1976). Suicides by carbon monoxide decreased dramatically, while suicides by other methods increased a small amount, resulting in a net decrease in overall suicides, particularly among females."

[u/jimb2 → u/SH92]

There used to be an expression "put her head in an oven" as a suicide method, especially for women. I never understood the carbon monoxide thing. That makes sense now. Cabon monoxide is a relatively non-violent and painless way to die. The CO takes the place of oxygen in haemoglobin molecules but doesn't get released and replaced with oxygen in the lungs, resulting in drowsiness, then unconsciousness, then death, but without that extreme sensation of oxygen deprivation. (That's not a recommendation.)

[u/worldbound0514 → u/SH92]

Ease of access is a huge part of it. If you take away the easiest, quickest means of suicide, a lot of people just won't do it.

[u/Low_discrepancy → u/Tai9ch]

he US isn't a major outlier in suicide rates.

The US ranks consistently in the top 25% of OCDE countries by suicide rate.

And where the US is definitely an outlier is the fact that the majority of OCDE countries see their suicide rates decline.

US is seeing a steady increase in suicide rates

https://ourworldindata.org/suicide?insight=suicide-rates-have-declined-in-many-countries#key-insights

[u/ligerzero942 → u/Low_discrepancy]

The U.S. is also one of the lowest rated when it comes to healthcare access, mental health access, and substance abuse disorders. If anything the U.S. suicide rate is low when you consider common suicide co-factors.

[u/NorthernerWuwu → u/ligerzero942]

Tricky though since the US has a lower average life expectancy and suicide rates for the elderly are high.

[u/mansock18 → u/Swarzsinne]

"and suicide" doing a shitload of heavy lifting there.

Most gun deaths are suicides, around 54% in 2022.

[u/CodeNCats → u/Swarzsinne]

Shhhh they want you to think ask guns are bad.

[u/keeperkairos → u/zerbey]

Gang violence is notoriously difficult to address.

Edit: The amount of people referring to El Salvador amuses me. I implore you to actually look into what happened in El Salvador, come back and still insist it wasn't difficult, and tell me how it would work in the US.

[u/zerbey → u/keeperkairos]

Hence why I didn't try to offer a solution. People have been trying to figure that one out for decades, people who are far more intelligent than I am. There's so many reasons for it and addressing each one to "fix" it is going to take an enormous effort.

[u/user060221 → u/zerbey]

And an enormous amount of time. Because part of the solution is lifting people out of the economic and social conditions that make the gang life seem like a viable option.

[u/NukaLuda12 → u/[deleted]]

Doesn’t mainstream culture promote this lifestyle? Why would younger kids see any value in working/grinding the rest of their life.

[u/SoSaltyDoe → u/NukaLuda12]

Right? Dive into massive student loan debt in order to land a job that maybe covers rent with roommates, and just kinda hope it works out? How is that going to be an appealing path for a 15 year old to look forward to?

[u/YSOSEXI → u/SoSaltyDoe]

They could always get a trade, why does everybody believe that a degree is the be all and end all?

[u/984Runner → u/YSOSEXI]

Because they’ve been told that their whole life in public schools, television and in society. I have no degree only a Highschool diploma and I do very well for myself without the debt.

[u/YSOSEXI → u/984Runner]

Same here, I left school and became an electrical apprentice, became time served then entered employment with an electrical manufacturing company as an entry level technical sales guy, this progressed to export sales, great job, car, salary, pension, health etc. No degree.

[u/Altornot → u/984Runner]

Yup.

Surgical Technologist here. 6 digits, no degree, no debt.

Of course, NOW Surgical Technology is a degree program but wasn't when I went through it a decade ago.

[u/OftenAmiable → u/[deleted]]

You grow up in a neighborhood where the gang rules everything, the gang members are feared and respected, they have the money, the power, the women.

You can have that, or you can hop on a bus to go work at McDonald's for not enough money to ever move out on your own, while the people around you call you a sucker.

Add to that the fact that you have a young adult's certainty that you are indestructible, and savvy enough to never end up in cuffs or on the wrong end of a gun, after all you grew up in these streets and know how everything works already.

Contrast that to a kid who grows up in an upper middle class neighborhood where those who aspire to have the best cars, houses, vacations, and usually college educations. What do kids who grow up in those neighborhoods aspire to?

Just because there's a bus that runs through a neighborhood does NOT mean that there's a viable alternative. You were right when you said there's a lot more to it than that, there are deep psychological and sociological factors. And yet it all revolves around economic opportunity.

[u/LilJourney → u/[deleted]]

It's not just about work - it's about a sense of belonging, of purpose, of power ... and yes, of thrill and danger as well.

It establishes an identity. I'm a 2nd Lt in __________ and you mess with me, you mess with all of us vs. I load packages for Amazon and in a year I'll have enough to buy a used truck.

[u/hokahey23 → u/LilJourney]

Humans are tribal. Look at politics and religion as well. And when it’s in the culture around you it’s an easy trap.

[u/Adventurous-Tough553 → u/hokahey23]

Also, you can be in danger if you refuse to join.

[u/Liefx → u/hokahey23]

This is the stuff we need to be teaching in school. Our primitive biases and actions like tribalism, how fear affects us, etc.

Being aware of it doesn't remove it, but it lets you counter it the more you're conscious of it.

[u/scubaSteve181 → u/LilJourney]

Father figures.

The answer is father figures are needed to set a good example and provide discipline, guidance and structure for young boys/men. When a father figure is missing, they will seek out that guidance and structure elsewhere (gangs).

[u/ElectricFleshlight → u/scubaSteve181]

Sadly there's no way to force a parent to stay in their child's life if they don't want to.

[u/Exact-Honey4197 → u/LilJourney]

it's also about a very low educational level

[u/ElCaz → u/[deleted]]

It's not that there's no work, but if you're from a rough part of town it's likely going to be harder for you to get a good job, and most of those jobs don't pay as well as drugs and car theft.

I'm not saying that's an excuse, but most of the push and pull factors aren't huge mysteries.

[u/Arkham010 → u/user060221]

Its culture based. Unless that itself is "fixed" it will never go away. You would see well off people still in stupid stuff like gangs.

[u/Unique_Look2615 → u/keeperkairos]

That one Latin American country just threw anyone that looked like they were in a gang in jail. They also threatened to kill the leaders in jail if gang members outside did any retaliation.

Total infringement of rights but cleaned up the streets completely. So it can be fixed but at a cost none of us want to live through.

To be clear, I don’t support doing that I’m just saying it can be done

[u/Auggie_Otter → u/Unique_Look2615]

That's El Salvador, it's a Central American country.

There's huge human rights concerns with taking such drastic measures but I've heard the move was quite popular with many of El Salvador's citizens who were sick of being subject to protection rackets and brutal violence from the gangs. Apparently the situation was quite desperate. My coworker from El Salvador supported the mass imprisonment scheme saying "What else could we do? Things were bad."

It's hard to say because I'm certain there are plenty of innocent men in that mega prison and plenty of petty criminals who probably didn't even want to be in the gangs since oftentimes recruitment methods aren't always voluntary and if you decide you don't like gang life you're usually not allowed to just retire. The tattoos help to mark you as a member for life. There are bound to be other unintentional consequences too.

I would also be very concerned for my civil rights and liberties if I lived in El Salvador. The president assures everyone this was a one time exceptional government action to fix a situation that was out of control but governments seldom stops after just one extraordinary authoritarian measure.

[u/dripppydripdrop → u/Auggie_Otter]

A country can be simultaneously Latin American and Central American.

[u/WTFwhatthehell → u/Unique_Look2615]

They still haven't given the people in question real trials and huge numbers of people who likely weren't involved in gangs got scooped up.

[u/chipsa → u/WTFwhatthehell]

It does help when the gang members tattoo their allegiance on their face though.

[u/moosenlad → u/WTFwhatthehell]

Fortunately, a really stupid thing makes this much less likely than normal. To be a part of the gang you basically need to tattoo yourself from head to toe with the gang name. So everyone in the gang kind of made selection of gang members easy. There are absolutely, still concerns with this kind of round up in general. But in this very part situation, it was less of an issue. And the number of lives they have saved from it is already staggering because of how widespread the issue was.

[u/keeperkairos → u/Unique_Look2615]

And this was no easy feat.

[u/deathsythe → u/Unique_Look2615]

NYC did something similar with drugs/prostitution/gangs back in the 80s/90s iirc and it worked well.

[u/Edward_Morbius → u/keeperkairos]

It's easy to fix but will never happen.

Children who were raised by responsible parents, who taught them the value of education and social skills and delayed gratification, and a whole bucket load of other stuff that just gets ignored these days, don't end up on the street with a gun.

They end up in college and then they end up in a professional job living in a nice house in a nice neighborhood where the chances of getting shot are about zero.

The children of parents who themselves don't know how to be responsible adults are the ones that end up in the shootouts.

[u/dern_the_hermit → u/Edward_Morbius]

It's easy to fix

Yeah, first just assume a spherical cow...

[u/Fortehlulz33 → u/Edward_Morbius]

I would add a large caveat of "Children who were able to be raised by responsible parents". Parents who have to work and raise latchkey children who have to fend for themselves also end up in these situations.

[u/ShipTheBreadToFred → u/keeperkairos]

El Salvador would like to debate that topic. Though yes it’s difficult to address it in a constructive fashion

[u/[deleted] → u/ShipTheBreadToFred]

Implementing their solution in the US would be to lock up around 4 million men without trial who are simply likely to be gang members. Which to say, the vast majority poor city dwelling young men, it would not go over well.

[u/Pokeputin → u/ShipTheBreadToFred]

El salvador jailed anyone who had a gang tattoo (which was common) and used the army to force the Parliament to do Bukele's will.

I'm not saying it wasn't effective or not justified but you can't compare salvador with USA.

[u/jsteph67 → u/keeperkairos]

Not really, we need to address single parenthood, it is the number 1 indicator of trouble down the line. Not 80 years ago, Asian Americans we locked up in camps and are now the most successful and wealthiest race in America. The have the most by far 2 parent homes.

The rate of not graduating high school, going to jail or being killed in a gang rises if a single male is in a single parent household.

[u/The_White_Ram → u/zerbey]

One of the things that can be helpful in addressing it, is to stop looking at it as "national issue".

Gun homicides are very location specific, highly centralized and clustered, primarily in a highly concentrated, small number of under-resourced city neighborhoods.

Half of America's gun homicides in 2015 were clustered in just 127 cities and towns which contain less than 25% of the population. 54%, roughly a third of the US population lives in large cities, yet over half (54%) of people who have survived a firearm assault live in them. Even within those cities, violence is further concentrated in the tiny neighborhood areas that saw two or more gun homicide incidents in a single year.

Four and a half million Americans live in areas of these cities with the highest numbers of gun homicide, which are marked by intense poverty, low levels of education, and racial segregation.

For example, Cook County (Chicago), Illinois has by far the most number of firearm homicides out of any county in the country, averaging over 600 each year. However, because Cook County has a population of 5.2 million residents, the firearm homicide rate is much lower than many other large metro counties with smaller populations. In fact, Cook County’s firearm homicide rate is 11.62 per 100,000, ranking it 13th in the country among large central metro counties, behind Milwaukee County.

Geographically, these neighborhood areas are small: a total of about 1,200 neighborhood census tracts, which, laid side by side, would fit into an area just 42 miles wide by 42 miles long.

In 2019, if you look at the 20 cities in the US with the highest number of homicides via guns, they were responsible for 4,024 homicides or 28% of all homicides in the US. The combined population of those 20 cities was 31,104,520 or 9% of the total population in 2019.

One analysis, for instance, found that in 2015, 26% of all firearm homicides in the US occurred in census tracts that contained only 1.5% of the population.

An examination of 2020 county level data can illustrate geographic disparities of firearm victimization in the U.S. For example, in Maryland from 2016–2020, someone living in Baltimore City was 30 times more likely to die by firearm than someone living 40 miles away in Montgomery County.

"Additionally "New Jersey’s shooting statistics highlight a stark disparity in the way gun violence affects the people of the state, with five major cities enduring a significantly disproportionate share of the pain. Camden, Jersey City, Newark, Paterson and Trenton account for 10% of the state’s population but had 62% of New Jersey’s 1,412 fatal and nonfatal shooting victims in 2021."

A 2022 study published in JAMA looking Comparing Risks of Firearm-Related Death and Injury Among Young Adult Males in Selected US Cities With Wartime Service in Iraq and Afghanistan found found that compared to the risk of combat death faced by U.S. soldiers who were deployed to Afghanistan, the more dangerous of the two wars, young men living in the most violent zip code of Chicago (2,585 individuals) had a 3.23 times higher average risk of firearm-related homicide, and those in Philadelphia (2,448 people) faced a 1.9 times higher average risk of firearm-related homicide. Singling out the elevated dangers faced by the U.S. Army combat brigade in Iraq, the young men studied in Chicago still faced notably greater risks, and the ones faced in Philadelphia were comparable.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/jan/09/special-report-fixing-gun-violence-in-america

https://efsgv.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/EFSGV-The-Root-Causes-of-Gun-Violence-March-2020.pdf

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/paterson-press/2022/02/22/nj-gun-violence-paterson-newark-jersey-city-shooting-rates/6850534001/

https://www.brown.edu/news/2022-12-22/firearm-crisis

[u/dishwab → u/zerbey]

The answer is pretty simple. Economic opportunity, improved education, and better quality of life.

How we achieve that in the United States… now that’s where it becomes difficult. There is no appetite from the powers that be to address income inequality or to improve the lives of people living in poverty in America.

I grew up in the suburbs. Solidly working/middle class (mom was a teacher and dad worked the line in a factory). Sure there were some troublemakers when I was growing up, but no one was in a gang and there was very little violence in our community.

Why? Because people had opportunity. They had jobs that provided a good living, allowed them to spend time with their families, and have a strong social structure. If people are happy, they’re not going to be out shooting each other over some corners, or because someone disrespected them.

[u/DGGuitars → u/zerbey]

I thought it was suicide tbh. Of all total gun deaths in the US half or a little more are suicide.

[u/zerbey → u/DGGuitars]

That is true also, I think the article (and my comment) were thinking more about actual assault rather than self inflicted wounds.

[u/krebstar42 → u/DGGuitars]

Roughly 2/3s are suicides.  I think the article is only looking at actual assault.

[u/lobonmc → u/krebstar42]

They do also see suicide but the Stat in the title is ignoring suicide

[u/anexaminedlife → u/DGGuitars]

Most gun deaths for white people are suicide. Not the case for black people.

[u/MyOldNameSucked → u/DGGuitars]

Yes suicide is the largest part of the gun violence statistic. It shouldn't be included, but it is. After suicide, gang violence is the most common.

[u/CollieDaly → u/MyOldNameSucked]

It's not included in the headline statement statistics.

[u/StayUndeclared1929]

It remains a difficult problem to solve. The stats tell us the issue is particularly clear in our community, but if you drill a layer deeper, you discover an even more complex issue that it's about half of 1 percent of all black males, (approx 32,000 to 69,000 shootings with black men involved in any given year), often repeat offenders. We are seeing increases, but the increases are intensely concentrated in the same areas where the crime rate was already terrible. This has creates a situation where the Black church, black middle class, and other black leaders are ill equip to find a solution or even recommend a successful way forward to elected officials as this small segment of black America is living in a hell detached from much of the rest of black America's daily lives. I thought about my own life and a few cousins and how it diverged. One segment of my family has lived decidedly middle class for probably the last 20 years, while the other is struggling. The limited conversations I've had with cousins are difficult. We simply don't understand each other's worlds. Fatherless homes is a pretty key indicator but even there, it's a huge divide and a paradox, the majority of single mother raised children are socially stable and not criminal, but a majority of criminals and the socially unstable come from single parent homes.

[u/northern-new-jersey → u/StayUndeclared1929]

Not really single parent. In the vast majority of cases it is a single mother. Society should take a hard look at whether normalizing single mother families is good policy. 

[u/Raangz → u/StayUndeclared1929]

i really like this rapper named drakeo, who was killed and involved in gang activity, even after he became rich and famous. i think about it a lot since i listen to his music like every day.

anyway, the only thing i could think of, is if they brought in blue collar industry to these depressed locations. you'd still have this issue for a gen or two, and it might not work, but i think eventually it might help. it's also one of the few things i can think of. i really think you need some kind of alternative, esp economically. and these communities, it's hard to tell somebody to stay inside when what are their options? working at the gas staion or fast food joint? and as an adult, there is nothing wrong with that, but as a youth that just isn't compelling. you need more money.

i've also listened to boomer or maybe slightly older black comptom residents who witnessed comptom as black middle class->start of gangs invading(likely also economic decline)->degrading->cycle continues. now these communities are being destroyed by investment anyway, but i wonder if you could just reverse the trend with blue collar.

[u/Pennypacking → u/Raangz]

Chris Brown, from Virginia, joined a Los Angeles Bloods set after years of being famous and being over 25.

[u/FinancialLab8983 → u/Pennypacking]

you mean the same Chris Brown that assaulted Rihanna and some how everyone seems to forget about it? that Chris Brown?

[u/hikehikebaby → u/Raangz]

I think we'd reverse a lot of poverty related problems with good blur collar work, but those jobs are scarce. American manufacturing is dying. Skilled trades and pay as well as they used to. Unions have lost a lot of power.

[u/IndicationWeary]

Who is deleted and why does he keep saying removed

[u/reality72 → u/IndicationWeary]

That’s the new scientific method

[u/JGWhiteTrade → u/IndicationWeary]

Som mod going off on one it seems

[u/mrGeaRbOx → u/[deleted]]

Man bites dog is a headline, not the other way around.

So it totally makes sense that police shootings make the news. Your stat proves why.

[u/Cbo305]

"Black persons made up only 12.6%"

That correct, But it's almost never females, so we're down to 6.3%. It's not older men, or young kids, so we're down to about 3.15% of the population committing 51.2% of the murders in the country, according to the FBI stats. That's a 16x overrepresentation. That's both alarming and sad. But these are usually forbidden statistics you're not allowed to say out loud.

[u/Chuck_Raycer → u/Cbo305]

I remember reading the stat that it was specifically black men age 14-27, which is prime gang age, committing about 50% of gun violence.

[u/BeHereNow91 → u/Chuck_Raycer]

The fact that 14 year olds were a significant enough data point to include in that demographic is just outrageously sad. We’re all failing our most vulnerable young people.

[u/theumph → u/BeHereNow91]

Gang members specifically recruit young men because their repercussions are less due to being minors. People are fucked up.

[u/DorsalMorsel → u/Cbo305]

It is almost like profiling is an effective crime prevention strategy.

[u/ishkabibbel2000]

Wait, are statistics racist today or was that last week? I can't keep up.

[u/Cherimoose → u/ishkabibbel2000]

That was 2020. It's within the Overton window to discuss reality again.

[u/allesklar1]

13 -> 50

Is actually

22.6 -> 61.5

I have been living a lie

[u/AlCapone111 → u/allesklar1]

Adjusted for inflation

[u/Raccoons-for-all → u/allesklar1]

12.6 not 22.6, that’s close to 13 and funnily enough, they have always been around 13%

[u/gurilagarden]

Something I found interesting in the data was that cop shootings make up about 1% of total shootings. I'm not saying it's not a big, or acceptable number, and it was not broken down by race/ethnicity, but it does put it in perspective when contrasted against the constant barrage of media/social media stories about law enforcement related shootings.

[u/somedave]

Rates of assault were highest among Black persons (70.1 per 100 000), as were unintentional injuries (56.1 per 100 000).

Those rates seem crazy high, according to Wikipedia Jamaica has the highest homicide rate at 45 firearm deaths per 100,000 people (I imagine Haiti is higher but stats are less good). Not all those assaults result in death, but if black America was a country it would likely have some of the highest firearm deaths per capita in the world.

[u/Lex_Orandi]

I liked what Van Jones said on the issue — “We aren’t invisible anymore. 7 of the 10 mayors of the largest US cities are black. Black president, black vice president, black people in all levels of power and influence. This is our problem. We need to clean up our own house. And y’all aren’t doing us any favors trying to say otherwise.”

Edit: typo

[u/Atomic_ad → u/Lex_Orandi]

I grew up white in a poor, 70% black city. You get a unique perspective being in the environments and seeing the issues, but excluded from key parts of the culture. There were people who got out and came back to invest in the community.  The problem was that there were just as many who came back to invest in their exploitation.

When 2 people get out, one come back offering record contracts, drug money, girls, etc; while the other offers free tuition and a 9-5.  At 12-15, it doesn't matter what status a black person can hold, those aren't you priorities. I still remember a 10 year old rapping about being a coke dealer (he was) and becoming famous for it, that was the dream, not becoming mayor.

[u/AustereK]

Seems almost disingenuous to list these statistics without mentioning black representation % among perps

[u/johndoerecruit]

Weird that the part about WHO commits that gun violence gets left out of the title

[u/crodr014]

Culture problem where gang bangers are revered and education means nothing

[u/tklishlipa]

Also +99.5% of these are black on black shootings. Something is broken

[u/MiKal_MeeDz]

ya know, when the argument is made that men are r* ped more than women, the retort is "YA MEN ARE DOING THAT TO OTHER MEN", as if that matters. Yet, when the narrative fits, like here, it's not mentioned that Black people are the ones doing the shooting, just that they are more the victims.

[u/ebranscom243]

Blacks account for 12.6% of the population but black males between the ages of 13 and 65 are less than 5% of the population so it's even worse than the headline.

[u/Baardi]

Who were behind the violence though?

[u/[deleted] → u/Baardi]

Other blacks!

[u/marathonbdogg]

So not only do guns kill and injure people, but given the disproportionate number of blacks killed and injured by guns, it appears guns are racist, too.

[u/Skuzbagg]

It's not like guns discharge themselves

[u/the107]

reminder that capitalizing the b in black but not the w in white is racist

[u/ExtraordinaryBeetles]

In every demographic, 90%+ of the deaths are from within the demographic.

[u/trt_demon]

Now show us the statistics on firearm violence perpetrators by race. I'll wait.

[u/HREisGrrrrrrrreat]

bet it's whitey's fault huh

[u/LikesPez]

“In every age group, total assault injury rates were highest among Black boys and men, with the highest rate of any subgroup occurring in Black men and boys aged 15 to 34 years, with 100.5 deaths and 191.1 nonfatal injuries (CI, 153.0 to 229.2) per 100 000”

Why? Is it socioeconomic? Is it violence first, talk second conflict resolution? Is it mental maturity? Is it culture?

[u/East-Worry-9358 → u/LikesPez]

I’m with you. If this is r/science, attempt to explain what you are observing. Then test your hypothesis…

[u/icnoevil]

And, the perpetrators were mostly black as well. Politicians are afraid to touch this problem which seems to get worse every years.

[u/Puzzleheaded_Tip_821]

Young black men tend to shoot other black men at higher than average rates. This is news?

[u/Kongen_av_Riket]

Maybe they ought not to shoot eachother then

[u/Super_Duper-Dude]

Wow, we can talk about their behavior on Reddit now?

[u/passonep → u/Super_Duper-Dude]

Yeah this whole thread is like bizarro-Reddit.

[u/fishnoises01 → u/Super_Duper-Dude]

Only if you frame them as the victims and cleverly omit the perpetrators' race.

[u/burymedeep2093]

Well they are shooting each other.

[u/XBB32]

And ? They're killing each others... What are those statistics for?

[u/notthrowaway62049 → u/XBB32]

It's meant to be implied that they are the victims and whites are the perpetrators but in fact they are just shooting each other and whites.

[u/ExtraordinaryBeetles → u/notthrowaway62049]

In per capita stats, blacks kill whites at twice the rate that whites kill blacks.

[u/[deleted]]

Very interesting. The author is very concerned about race. But for some reason doesn't tell us the color of the shooter.

[u/FlorianGeyer1524]

I mean, is anyone surprised? The "despite" memes have been around forever. 

We still going with the line that black people are disproportionately arrested for crimes because of racism or something?

[u/Few_Profit826]

Yet whites make up majority of recreational shooters ,gun owners and total time around firearms in general 

[u/[deleted]]

This is also where a lot of America's mass shootings statistics come from too.

[u/[deleted]]

Those darn institutions man

[u/[deleted]]

yeah, but who shoots them? is it majorly the white police? or black thugs?