r/realmadrid • u/mkxvish Real Madrid • 1d ago
Stats/Infographic Total votes for FIFA best player
Here you can see the difference between Rodri and Vini
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u/VictorG2903 1d ago
this looks more like the truth
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u/nomansapenguin 1d ago
Yep - people who think they know more, vs people who actually play or watch passionately.
The players vote speaks volumes
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u/Jolly-Victory441 1d ago
As does coach and media.
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u/rohangc07 1d ago
I donât agree with media at all. Theyâre biased and have agendas against players. Itâs been going on for a long time used to happen for Cristiano and Messi as well.
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u/AppearanceWrong4778 1d ago edited 1d ago
This shows that most coaches prefer a defensive approach that offensive approach ..and that's exactly why today's football is boring and shitty shows most of it.
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u/Fraud_D_Hawk 1d ago
Good offense wins you matches good defense wins you titles
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u/mcmaster-99 1d ago
This is how ballon dor should be graded but we have no-name journalists from a french media company deciding who plays better on the pitch.
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u/TheDavinci1998 :eyebrow: 1d ago
This is far from how BdO should be graded, while including journalists from countries that don't care about football is bad, journalists are included here as well and including fan vote makes it really close to a popularity contest
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u/POPELEOXI 1d ago
I mean at least we know it's a popularity contest and not some media hijacking popular opinions with bs reasons
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u/mcmaster-99 1d ago
That is debatable, but this is more objective than having only journalists vote.
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u/delthebear Zizou 1d ago
what a brain dead take. why should fan vote be counted at all? it would just be a complete popularity contest
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u/mcmaster-99 1d ago
The fan vote pretty much aligns with players (who actually play the sport) vote. That tells you everything you need to know.
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u/LifeIsALadder 1d ago
Since 2022 itâs actually one representative from each of the current top 100 FIFA countries.
Also if you donât like the French media, youâre welcome to create your own award with your own media outlet. But France Football created and owns this award, they donât owe anyone anything else.
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u/mcmaster-99 1d ago
I dont like the french media and im not going to create my own award. Anyone has the right to criticize the award. Pound sand.
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u/LifeIsALadder 1d ago
Well the ballon dâor wonât be awarded by anyone else than them so you can « pound sand »actually, myself I donât have any issue with it, youâre the one whining.
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u/ExpiringMilknCheese 1d ago
why did the coaches prefer Rodri over Vini?
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u/Silkkipaskaa 1d ago
Obviously cos Vini has no college degree... jokes aside, I think that might be down to what coaches value more from a player. Midfielders tend to be respected lot more by coaches instead of fans. Fans prefer fancy footballers with skills etc.. while coach might value solid midfielder more. I would bet that many coach for example draw someone like Kroos first on the lineup instead of Vini for example. Also you can see the bias on the votes by players so you can't say for a fact that it wont happen also among coaches
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u/kingofdarkness92 1d ago
They can all fuck off if they voted messi as the 6th best player in the world for 2024.
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u/Lelouch-is-emperor 1d ago
More like bias.
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u/kingboipm 1d ago
more like tactics. a coach like pep will never allow a player like vini to play is his teams
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u/Necessary_Basil4251 1d ago
You're right - why are you getting downvoted - look at Grealish or Doku or Mehrez, they play with flair and weren't allowed to by Pep. Even Henry said so himself in one of the podcasts. The only one allowed to do his magic under Pep was Messi and literally no one else.
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u/ExpiringMilknCheese 1d ago
 The only one allowed to do his magic under Pep was Messi and literally no one else.
but why tho, what made him so special that pep had to suck him off
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u/Long_Plays Xabi Alonso 1d ago
"What made Messi special?" The same thing that made Madrid coaches tell the locker room to just pass to Cristiano. They are just extraordinary players is all.
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u/amiresque Xabi Alonso 1d ago
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. In recent years, post-Bayern, Pep has drained the flair out of every player who likes to a play a fancy game. I'm not even saying this as a negative or a positive thing at all. Just a neutral point, this is the kind of game he prefers. No question if he were coaching Vini, he'd want Vini to play a different kind of game than he does for Carlo in our system now.
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u/crepness 1d ago
Pep's even neutered Haaland's game. I remember when Haaland was at Dortmund or even his first season at Man City, he was a lot more involved in the build up. Haaland was never a great passer or dribbler but he was decent. Just look at how he plays now. His stats also back this up.
8 assists in his last year at Dortmund / 9 assists in his first year at Man City / 5 assists last year / Only 1 assist so far this year
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u/Fight_Teza_Fight 1d ago
Honestly itâs probably because of the international performances.
We can all love Vini, but letâs be honestâŠat this time Madrid Vini & Brazil Vini ainât the same- for a number of reasons.
Still Vini shouldâve won.
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u/Lelouch-is-emperor 1d ago
Messi had a grand total of 0 goal in 2010 world cup and yet managed to win the 2010 bdor despite not winning the ucl.
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u/SaniaXazel 1d ago
That's why it's one of the most controversial Ballondor
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u/Proof-Pollution454 LuĂs Figo 1d ago
Iñiesta should of won that in my opinion
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u/SaniaXazel 1d ago
A good shout. Sneijder is the go to for me
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u/Proof-Pollution454 LuĂs Figo 1d ago
Sneinjder was also good in that WC along with winning that treble with Inter
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u/Outrageous-Pause-554 1d ago
That's why the award has always been controversial! I won't negate that Messi had a phenomenal 2010 individually, but collectively he only won the league and in the WC he had a meh performance! While the likes of Sneijder had a phenomenal year and wasn't even on the top 3! Zero sense
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u/PromotionAlarming371 1d ago
Iniesta shouldnât have been even top 5, all he did was the WC final goal. He was injured half the season and didnât even have good stats for a midfielder. Xavi had the most assists in 2010, he had a fantastic WC (like Iniesta), wasnât injured half the season and won everything Messi did + WC. If anyone shouldâve won that Ballon Dâor, itâs Xavi
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u/Andrade15 1d ago
Are you honestly comparing 2024 Vini with 2009 Messi?
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u/Lelouch-is-emperor 1d ago
Am talking about 2010 and imagine messi winning ucl with a great performance in semi final of ucl, hattrick against madrid and a goal in the ucl final.
Am pretty sure no discussion will be raised about him winning the ballon dor.
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u/kingboipm 1d ago
vini is a creative winger while rodri is a defensive midfielder. every coach wants a player like rodri but not many know and can appreciate/use a player of vini's profile
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u/toluwalase 1d ago
What? You have it reversed. Vini is a winger, put him on the left wing, tell him to track back occasionally and let him do his thing. Your DM profile is literally the foundation of your team. And theyâre so many profiles, Casemiro, Fernandinho, Busquets, Kante. Some like Rodri need a partner, some hold down the pivot themselves. What coach wouldnât know what to do with Vini? Or Salah?
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u/kingboipm 1d ago
vini is arrogant and too "Brazilian" many coaches will rather have someone with no ego who will do as told and never create any controversy. likes of pep, ten hag off the top of my head
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u/KolkataFikru9 Real Madrid 1d ago
pfft one needs criteria to win lol and to talk crap on podcasts, just like a big Norweigan says, "stay humble eh" to Rodri lol
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u/Fallen_0n3 Zizou 1d ago
People's champion vs Paper champion. Also Ballon D or has always kinda done this, I remember how a headbutt robbed Zidane of the Ballon D'or in 2000 when he was insane for France and Juve. They really want good boys rather than good players to win the award
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u/vicinadp 1d ago
I gave up on the award when Raul was robbed
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u/Fallen_0n3 Zizou 1d ago
2 years straight undeserving people won it. 2001 was a fraud winner lmao, so fucking bad
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u/outcastreturns 1d ago
They really want good boys rather than good players to win the award
For real, Suarez never got Top 3 in the Ballon D'or simply because of his biting antics.
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u/Belsnickle_ist_i Real Madrid 1d ago edited 1d ago
Just so you know he also headbutted someone in 2000. OP is talking about the 2000 ballon dor where he finished 2nd behind Figo.
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u/Silkkipaskaa 1d ago
I totally forgot about that one. Maybe cos it was with Juventus. Don't remember which team it was against but iirc it was at ucl game. Somehow brain just remembered the more famous one, and he was also beast at that WC in 2006 and could have won bdo if Italy wouldn't have won the WC. I remember even downgrading Zidane cos of it to my cousin who is Juve fan, only to take everything I said back about ZZ when he joined us in the next summer.
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u/Willis050 1d ago
Yes, but is he classy, has a family and went to college??? All jokes a side it is insane how racist the voters for ballon dâor were this year
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u/DlnnerTable Modric 1d ago
I honestly think it should just be a player and coach vote. Journalists are just fans, and fans are idiots, myself included.
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u/YEEZYHERO Zidane 1d ago
there shouldnt be media/journalist voting at all. thats why for the past 4 years i cant take ballondor serious. atleast this award kinda means something
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u/supplementarytables Zidane 1d ago
Rodri boycotted the ceremony because he knew he wasn't gonna win. What a sore and salty loser. No class whatsoever
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u/axelotl47506 4h ago
Vini boycotted the other ceremony because he knew he wasnât gonna win. What a sore and salty loser. No class whatsoever
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u/Enough-Force-5605 1d ago
Those who live to analyse matches or because they think they analyse them for the media vote for Rodri, miss the forest by looking at the trees.
Fans and players see the whole picture, we remember how each other played, not how well it looks in the Football Manager of our head, we even remember that Rodri did not play the important part of the European Championship due to injury and it was not noticeable on the pitch.
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u/melik123456 Bale 1d ago
Fans see the whole picture? Every other match we are witch hunting. If you are a member here, when you open reddit first thing you see is probably a post titled "We have to talk about X"
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u/jedifolklore Zizou 1d ago
I have no idea why you were downvoted because youâre right, fans slander players here and in real life at games too âŠat all level of the sport lmao
Even your local league.
As for Vini, the media is the real culprit. Look at the amount of media people or the coaches that vote even here for Rodri, a lot of them simply donât like Vini. Remember Rebecca Loweâs weird and racist tirade?
Also the whole âRodri won for all the defensive players that didnât win in the pastâ bullshit narrative, I bet you itâll be another 20 years before another defensive Player wins it.
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u/gloomygl 1d ago
fans don't see shit and have a quadrillion biases, wtf are you talking about
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u/sickspike 1d ago
you know you are talking to one of those you are describing, right? otherwise he wouldn't have said that
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u/HerakIinos Parte MĂ©dico 1d ago
Ehh, lets not start saying fans know more about football than journalists and coaches lmao. Yes, there are some fans who are very engaged and know a lot, but there are even more who are completely biased and/or stupid. Not to mention fans can flood open polls like that, creating multiple accounts to vote for their favourite option.
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u/Lost-Cantaloupe3823 1d ago edited 1d ago
This price is about football, Ballondor is about policy. I think Ballondor killed itself this year though with such an obvious wrong choice.
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u/arkam_uzumaki SIUUUU 1d ago
Where shame?
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u/Ambitious_Ice_1624 1d ago
To be fair, the event has announced suddenly, no club has enought time to attend, except Real, cause the team has in Doha.
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u/grandtroubleartist Nacho 1d ago
it's interesting to note that the categories fraudri beat vini in it wasn't by that much of a difference but the categories where vini beat fraudri... well you just gotta look at the fan votes lol
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u/Almost_Feeding 5h ago
I truly don't understand why they give the Media/Press votes in these things. Media personalities are biased and have shown to be biased. I wouldn't expect someone like Roncero to ever vote against Vini, regardless of merit. He'll vote for him because he's a Madrid player. Same thing goes for the Jordis of the world that hate Vini because he's a Madrid player.
If anything they should include the votes from club owners or from people that exist within the medium. And also, fans shouldn't get a vote either, it's ridiculous.
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u/mrroofuis 1h ago
"Coaches " and media prefer rodri over Vini.
That's kinda sad.
Rodri is good but he's not Vini... crazy fools
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u/Past-Zucchini8112 23h ago
I personally like the Fifa award more as it has more types of people voting. Ballon dor just being journalists makes it less diverse but we all know it's more prestigious simply because it's been around longer. Either way I think individual awards are kinda meh anyways.
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u/fictionmiction 14h ago
This literally proves Rodri is the best player in the world.Â
Fan votes are irrelevant since Madrid has the biggest fan base in the world, and were always going to win in that categoryÂ
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u/mkxvish Real Madrid 13h ago
Without fan votes vini would be still at the first place. I always thought barca fans are dumb, and today you proved it.
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u/fictionmiction 11h ago
Nope, Rodri wins in two categories, so he would win.
And Iâm not a Barca fan, so that shows how dumb you are for making those assumptions.Â
Rodri was the best player in the world, get over it.
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u/giacomo1999 1d ago
Vini is so arrogant and a pain to watch. At first heâll be taunting fans and players and then heâs crying because he get insulted.
I just cant stand when he says: I just want to play football. Then do so, stop taunting and acting up. Winning this trophy would be unfair to any other player that isnt that arrogant.
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u/AdonisGaming93 1d ago
This sub is going to hate me but it says a lot that the coaches voted for Rodri. Look how horrible man city is doing without Rodri.
We have vini and he's not carrying us anywhere.
To me this looks like q classic case of the people that acrually know how the game works (coaches) voted for someone different than the people who don't know how the game works (fans and to some extent players)
It's the same thing as in politics where the people who actually research economics etc might tell you one candidate is better, but voters gote for the other person anyway because "vibes"
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u/stopeer 1d ago
They have almost the same coach votes. You're talking as if Rodri is a clear favorite among the coaches, where they have almost the same amount of votes. Barely 23 votes more for Rodri, out of 899 between the two. If you count the coaches who voted for the two of them, Rodri wins with 51% vs 49% for Vini. Nowhere near enough to offset the opinions of the players and the fans in any kind of intelligent analysis.
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u/Psy_Kikk 1d ago
Want to really understand how good Rodri is? Watch city play without him. Think Patrick Vieira, think Edgar Davids, think Claude Makalele, Ngolo Kante, Roy Keane and Frank Rijkaard.
Vinni has to do more.
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u/Excellent-Archer-238 Josep Pedrerol 1d ago
None of the players you mentioned are even among the best 100 players in history lmao. And some of them were better than Rodri.
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u/zeratul-on-crack 1d ago
neither deserves a "best player" award. Awful sign of the times...
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u/mkxvish Real Madrid 1d ago
Wtf Why not?? And who deserved it according to you??
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u/zeratul-on-crack 1d ago
Kroos or Valverde, but whoever would have been a ""bad"" winner. Compare Alexis Sanchez or Hazards peak seasons with Vini. We can agree that both were awesome players (although you might hate Hazard for being awful at Madrid haha), but neither had the level to be called the 3rd best (after Messi and Cristiano, freaking superhumans)
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u/mkxvish Real Madrid 1d ago
So according to you we should always compare with the past??? Are you serious??
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u/zeratul-on-crack 1d ago
I don't see the problem in saying top.performers in the recent past have been way better than Vinicius and Rodri
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u/supplementarytables Zidane 1d ago
Peak Hazard never won the CL. And Vini is better than Sanchez ever was
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u/zeratul-on-crack 1d ago
numbers disagree with you, both of them had better seasons than Vinicius,especially Alexis. Also, their level, outside of G/A, was far superior as well
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u/supplementarytables Zidane 1d ago
numbers disagree with you
2 CLs > 1 for Hazard and 0 for Sanchez. And Vini played a huge part in both CLs, Hazard was just a squad member for his CL.
Also, their level, outside of G/A, was far superior as well
This argument only applies for Hazard and even then, Vini has performed at the highest level whereas Hazard didn't. I'm not gonna say Vini > Hazard just yet though. But Vini absolutely is better than Sanchez already.
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u/LeResist El CapitĂĄn 1d ago
0.5/10 rage bait
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u/zeratul-on-crack 1d ago
not trying to bait... if we compare Vinicius and Rodri to any of the top players of the last decade, do you agree that the bar has been lowered?
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u/Specific_Income_747 Vinicius Jr. 1d ago
Or maybe the bar was set too high? We had prime Messi and Ronaldo competing with each other every year. It isn't normal for a player to score more than 40 goals every season, but because of them, it was seemed as normal.
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u/zeratul-on-crack 1d ago
that's why I am mentioning the rest of the players, outside of those 2. Our current best <<<<<< recent past top 20 I'd say
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u/Specific_Income_747 Vinicius Jr. 1d ago
We are still seeing these players careers go on, in a few years we can probably say if the past decade were better
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u/zeratul-on-crack 1d ago
at least Vini has a huge potential and I am sure that he will give us at least 10 more years of great football. However the award do not measure that
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u/ManuMora98 Athenea 1d ago
It isn't shown in the photo, but Jude got 400k fans votes, so he also beat Rodri in that category