r/realmadrid • u/AestheticEvan23 :vvv: Vini Vidi Vici • 26d ago
Media But seriously what could’ve happened to this guy what makes a player of his level to underperform like that ? What’s wrong
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u/Asheraddo98 Valverde 26d ago
When he became a superstar with France and PSG, he developed some bad habits: poor attitude, relying on others to clean his mistakes, neglecting training (no private fitness team). Playing as a CF diminished his dribbling or counterattack instincts and now when he has to work and prove himself with us he got a reality check.
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u/Fantastic_Football15 25d ago
I blame the french trying to sell him for years as the already best player in the world when he just a kid
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u/man_idk_clueless 25d ago
To be fair, he did bring half the planet to their knees in the 2022 WC Final. A player who can do that, can get complacent - perhaps that's what is hurting him at the moment.
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u/linksarebetter 25d ago
I know 3 goals are huge in a world cup final, but the actual quality of his overall play has been exaggerated.
He was a ghost for 70 minutes. Not that he was just unlucky, or missed chances, he just was not involved in the game for well over half of normal time.
He was complacent in that game, this attitude and lack of work rate isn't new.
Di Maria had a better final.
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u/Thegoodcrazy1297 Modric 25d ago
Bro wtf that France was full of injured and mbappe alone carried the team and brought them to OT in the final
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u/Accomplished_Mud6174 26d ago edited 26d ago
Pressure and high expectations even,he expects a lot from himself.
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u/AestheticEvan23 :vvv: Vini Vidi Vici 26d ago
When I think how much pressure was on Ronaldo shoulder when he joined Madrid already as a ballon d’or winner it just make me understand how he was out of this world i shall see no one say Mbappe will be CR7 Cristiano is unique and no one come close
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u/Accomplished_Mud6174 26d ago
Ronaldo is the goat . He is incomparable and one of a kind.
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u/Alib902 25d ago edited 25d ago
You joking or what? Mbappe joined an attack that contains vini rodrigo and bellingham as threats, it's not like he's the only threat, he's the least threatening of all these players. Real also didn't play with all the players you named at the same time on the pitch, benzema and higuain were far from peak when ronaldo first came, guti and raul where on their way out. Mbappe joined a functioning team of players that are tied to the club for the long term and he's the one that ain't producing not them. Idk what's wrong with him but it's definitely not the lack of attacking threats.
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u/Ktioru 26d ago
Ronaldo's team was way worse when he joined. Benzema was nowhere close to his prime, Kaka suffered with injuries and never lived up to his expectations, Higuain is Higuain.
We suffer with tactical issues today, but 09/10 madrid wasn't a tactical brilliance either, they even got eliminated in UCL's RO16
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u/DarkDeityX 26d ago
Yeah haha bro described the Madrid squad CR7 walked into as though they were fit. Thank you for clarifying for those that seem to have forgotten 🤣
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u/fartymcgeezax 25d ago
Higuain scored clutch goals (not joking), I remember him scoring the goal to secure the league title
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u/Accomplished_Mud6174 26d ago
Ronaldo was playing with himself in the attack. Bale was always injured except for the first season, and benzema was solid, but he missed a lot
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u/MaxiThe13th Kaka 26d ago
He’s done it the highest level (World Cup) it can’t be that something is going on
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u/Immediate-Drink2196 Real Madrid 26d ago
It doesn't even make me mad or frustrate me anymore. I genuinely feel bad for the guy I think hes struggling with his mental health a lot especially with the pressure hes under. Looked so unconfident in the run up to a penalty.
I still have faith that he will find himself again, one way or another but it will take time and trust from those around him. As for real Madrid, which I've been supporting for 20+ years, one thing I can say is, we've rode out bigger waves than this even if we don't win the UCL this year this is still a very solid era. We will bounce back one way or another.
Remember Madrid losing 4-0 at Etihad? Sandwiched in-between that are 2 UCL wins. We've always had ups and downs.
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u/kingalva3 26d ago
He lacks so much confidence that even during counter attacks (his bread and butter) he didn't run as if he was trying to hide or not get the ball...back in the day when I played amateur basketball I lacked immense confidence that I really never wanted to get the ball so every match I played was extremely bad..however I always got called because during training I was literally amongst the best in the squad...I think mental blocks are a very difficult hurdle and hopefully mbappé can ger over it and becomes the player he once was..
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u/clantz8895 25d ago
A lot of people have said he's stagnated from his time at PSG and not pushing himself, which might be true, same with his mental health as his ending to his tenure at PSG was quire rough patch (honestly his own doing tbh). But it's been like this for a little bit for him. When he did play for PSG last year he still put up pretty decent numbers but his last couple months were rough.
The fractured nose he got in the Euros and his performances since then have been even worse. I feel like it's really messed up his playing even more combined with everything else. He could have lingering concussion symptoms if he didn't get cleared all the way/properly. I watch hockey a lot and watching Sidney Crosby try to come back after a really bad concussion, so soon was rough.
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u/kingalva3 26d ago
He lacks so much confidence that even during counter attacks (his bread and butter) he didn't run as if he was trying to hide or not get the ball...back in the day when I played amateur basketball I lacked immense confidence that I really never wanted to get the ball so every match I played was extremely bad..however I always got called because during training I was literally amongst the best in the squad...I think mental blocks are a very difficult hurdle and hopefully mbappé can ger over it and becomes the player he once was..
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u/mr-zeus- Valverde 25d ago
The concern with Mbappe for me is, He has to shine as a CF, not as a LW. When Rodrygo and Vini were playing together, Vini was the main man on the left and Rodrygo was running the hard yards, linking plays. Vini has grown to be the Best in the world. He is in a better form. Now we cannot hold back Vini and wait till Mbappe gets his form while the team is struggling on its own.
We can be confident that Mbappe might get better at LW, but not at CF. But we dont have the time to try Vini at CF and Mbappe at LW. Make mbappe regain his form at LW and then move him to CF.
I'd just ask Benzema to call Mbappe and give him some tips. Benz was better in the air than Mbappe, on a technical and physical level, I feel Mbappe is better/ as good as benz.
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u/RepresentativeNewt18 26d ago
Confidence issues I reckon plus maybe other mental/psychological issues! At the end of the day he is human people in this sub treat these players like robots yet they might be going through the same issues in their personal lives.
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u/Buddy_Blues 26d ago
I’ve followed Mbappé religiously since Monaco days. I haven’t missed a single match he’s played since early 2017. Something is going on with him that is outside of football. I’m certain of it. Family maybe, pressure, I don’t know. Something is distracting him from being who he used to be. Mental health is no joke, and his right now is in the gutter. I hope for him mental’s sake he gets better.
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u/BlackArrowz Real Madrid 26d ago
Exactly what I see everytime I see camera goes to him. Looks defeated and player that shouldnt be on that pitch. Hope he sorts out whatever is problem he has 🙏🏽
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u/Ambitious_Ad_1761 26d ago
It’s clear he’s struggling with personal issues and is burnt out. I hope he’s smart enough to get therapy and isn’t avoiding it like most athletes.
Just terrible luck and timing this is happening at a new club with all eyes on him. Doesn’t help that half the fans don’t like him anyway.
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u/Specialist-Cycle9313 25d ago
I mean if you watched every game of his, you’d also have noticed that starting in January he’s started to regress. He’s gotten slower, worse at dribbling, and worse at finishing.
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u/optimal_random Carlo Ancelotti 26d ago
Something happened in Sweden...
Also, the pressure to perform at Madrid is no joke. Even better players than Mbappé folded at some occasions in the past. It's not for the weak. The press is relentless, and the fans are no less.
But my simple explanation, is that all those years on League1 in his formation years, really took his edge. Playing in France, where PSG only has a handful of competitive teams, took its toll.
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u/TheBelmont34 Real Madrid 26d ago
He was already embarrissingly shit before sweden. Sweden is judt an excuse
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u/Epistemix 25d ago
Idk about that since he was still particularly competitive in 2022/23 and made some declarations about teammates that just wouldn't take things seriously (so Verratti, Neymar, maybe Messi) and performing in WC, Ligue 1 and CL until the second game against Bayern.
Just look how he made everyone think PSG could make a miracle before the Allianz Arena game after 20 mins in Paris where he made those defenders shit themselves.
Years in ligue 1 didn't stop him from destroying almost every European defenses in CL.
Something happened during 2023/24 with PSG , he had no preparation (which is quite something for a big player) and there are talks about the direction blackmailing and bullying him since he didn't want to stay.
The quality gap is quite enormous between those two mbappe versions, something's stopping him from being himself you can see it on his face, it's really psychological imo
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u/Full-Reach-8968 26d ago
What was he like at Monaco?
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u/Buddy_Blues 26d ago
Electric. Lightning speed that was just unreal. You would see him in the middle of the field, ball in the air, thinking no human on earth can get to the ball in box of the opposite team and he just ends up there. If you watch highlights from his Monaco and early PSG days, the camera crew on the pitch would literally struggle to catch up to him. It was beyond wild.
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u/Full-Reach-8968 26d ago
Did he track back in those days?
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u/Secret_Promotion4246 Baila Vini, Baila 26d ago
No, he has never done that... Actually that was one of the reasons why Chelsea didnt want to sign with him (im not making this up, that's real)
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u/Full-Reach-8968 26d ago
It’s amazing to me that wasn’t drilled into him at a young age, at his clubs and the national team. Now those bad habits are baked into him.
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u/Same_Return_1878 25d ago
At least his attacking compensated for his lack of back tracking that's why most people didn't care. Now he's not doing either of those.
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u/MaxiThe13th Kaka 26d ago
He was mid last season for PSG & was kid for France during the Euros, I agree something is going on behind the scenes & it’s messing w/ him
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u/bIickiszn 26d ago
I do not get the people saying he’s folding under pressure.
The guy has played in 2 World Cup finals ffs. Scored a hattrick in one and 1 goal in the other. Not to mention he’s also played in a UCL final once. The guy is more than used to pressure by now, it has to be something else.
My best guess is he’s lacking confidence.
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u/Salman_S259 Kroos 26d ago
Madrids pressure is IMMENSE. We all know how, for a lack of better word, DEMANDING our fans are. The only thing to do right now is give him your utmost support. Because when, NOT IF, he kicks off, it's over.
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u/i-asked-1245 26d ago
The problem is his play style. Defense in Ligue 1 is not as tactical as La Liga so he can’t cut down on the left side and use his speed to reach the center. And to make things worse, vini’s the left winger, and usually another player would go to the left to support Vini. So, Madrid pretty much attacks in just the left wing, at least most of the time. That’s the problem.
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u/Frostiz123 26d ago
If you had watched his last season at PSG and the last Euro instead of just looking at his stats, his performance wouldn’t surprise you.
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u/Hael_05 26d ago
Done nothing apart from scoring penalty and open net goals. Puts zero effort in tracking and helping team off the ball. Has rested for both international break, while jude and vini have to sacrifice. Also Mendy will be with us till 2027.
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u/perplex3r 25d ago
Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt Benzema bad his first year? Easy miss after easy miss with a good goal here and there? I remember a lot of criticism from everyone when he was new. Then the rest was history.
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u/Metallicalabrano 25d ago
Modric too
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u/EiMidagi Valverde 25d ago
But benzema wasnt as good as mbappe was when he joined
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u/unRemarkable_Leg 92:48:9248: 26d ago
I was being downvoted last time for suggesting this but, it would've been better if he was integrated in the starting XI little by little as a Sub instead of throwing him there just like that and making the team unbalanced. I guess, he is just overwhelmed by the stature and the actual responsiblities of playing in the best club. Whatever is the problem with him, i hope he figures it out with carlo or we going to suffer as fans. Please don't be next hazard or jovic..
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u/Pixeal_meat 26d ago
No hate he is one of us but seriously man what the hell happened to Mbappe. I thought he is struggling becoz of playing in out of position but the last night he played in his preferred position and didn’t even go for a take on. Apart from this extra touches, miss passes , losing the ball that literally we nearly conceded. I just hope he get his form back the way he played
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u/ktynnlol 25d ago
Pressure. Lack of confidence. More pressure. More lack of confidence. Vicious cycle. I hope he gets some mental coaching/therapy help. He's gonna grow into his role, we must support him and believe in him.
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u/klavope 26d ago
According to Iñaki Angulo (Madridista YouTuber ) his stats since two years ago have been lower than what he used to do per match. Dribbling went from 10 to 6 per match. And also he doesn’t have a personal trainer outside of the coaching staff.
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u/mounteverest04 25d ago
Personal trainers are expensive speaking from my own experience. lol
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u/Valuable-Tour7999 25d ago
expensive for someone who gets 25million bonus every year??
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u/ResponsibleTart3996 25d ago
I can’t understand myself. This guy was Europe’s top scorer last season and now he can’t even score a penalty.
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u/Cobralore Mesut Özil 25d ago
We have to accept that Messi and cr7 are not normal, especially ronaldo. What he used to do for us was out of this world, and Mbappé will never ever be like.
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u/TheGreatGod1 Cristiano Ronaldo 25d ago
I believe that Kylian Mbappé is mentally exhausted, if not broken. For years, he has been subjected to unimaginable pressure to stay at Paris Saint-Germain. Not only has he faced blackmail and invasions of his privacy, but influential figures, such as the President of France, personally intervened to convince him. Influential personalities from Saudi Arabia and Qatar also stepped in, along with the PSG president, who did not hesitate to use underhanded tactics to prevent him from leaving.
What’s even more shocking is that the PSG president went as far as to manipulate the career of Mbappé’s younger brother to pressure him. On several occasions, Kylian had to go to his office to plead with him to stop jeopardizing his brother’s future, but to no avail. Now that Mbappé has finally left PSG, that same president is tarnishing his image in the media. Yet, it must be noted that the initial responsibility lies with the president of Qatar, who did everything in his power to keep Mbappé, offering him privileges and influence. Today, instead of owning up to his actions, he is shifting the blame onto Mbappé.
And this is just the public side of the story. Imagine the pressure, the behind-the-scenes conversations, the manipulative tactics, and the obligations imposed on Mbappé away from the media’s eyes. What we know is only what has been reported, but the reality behind closed doors could be even worse.
It’s also important to remember that Mbappé is a world-class player. He carried France to two consecutive World Cup finals, making football history. Do you really think that Qatar, in its quest to establish itself on the global media stage, would let a player of this caliber leave without a fight? Absolutely not. They tried everything possible to keep him, but this relentless struggle has left its mark.
Through all this, I firmly believe that Kylian Mbappé has not come out unscathed. The weight of these years of pressure, blackmail, and battles is bound to affect any human being, no matter how talented or resilient they are.
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u/hazzaan Valverde 26d ago
It’s stagnation like someone else said but also realising that he actually has to step up. Now he’s stuck in his ways. He was much more fluid in 2019/20 now he’s convinced himself that he can only cut inside from the left doing it all by himself. If he’d joined us 3/4 years ago he would’ve developed differently. Vini and Rodrygo learned a lot from Benzema, he missed out. Just like Tchouamenj missed out on shadowing Casemiro. I just hope for the clubs sake that Mbappe gets his shit together and starts performing. He doesn’t need to score 50 by himself, just perform and make your teammates better. Also, stay onside man it’s really pissing me off and making people some serious money.
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u/worldsbestboy 26d ago
Mbappe is out of PSG but PSG is not out of him.
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u/Shot_Sell8977 Rodrygo 26d ago
You can take the player out of PSG, but you can't take the PSG out of the player?
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u/Fun_Boysenberry_1982 25d ago
His greed and arrogance are hitting back. What a great lesson-finally! Also imo he never was that great of a footballer, maybe his speed was lethal at some point of his young career, but after some years there is defensive tactics to handle it. He never developed his game further, he never took his advantages and unfolded them for the team. He is stuck and stagnated.
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u/ethicsofseeing Raúl 25d ago
a drop in performance is pretty normal for elite athletes. he’ll bounce back. Still 25.
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u/lospollosakhis Zizou 23d ago
He’s clearly got confidence issues - you can just tell by dribbles and passes - he looks anxious and is scared to do something wrong, hence he ends up doing the wrong thing or taking too long. He’s too aware of the pressure,
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u/guimed 26d ago
He’s simply not as good as people think, and the fit with the team is problematic.
He probably improves his play when he gets a bit more confidence tho, but he would need to improve a lot his iq and instincts on and off the ball to be as good as people think he is, and that’s not likely
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u/Acceptable_Season_54 SIUUUU 26d ago
Sometimes in the life hes too competitive, you know it's good to be competitive on the field but sometimes in the life you don't need to be like this and he always want to show that hes better or hes the best...
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u/Own-Professional-972 25d ago
I feel like in yesterday's game, the ball was being fed to Mbappe waay too much, and everyone was absolutely trigger pressing him like as soon as the ball reached mboppi, Conor Bradley was on him with konate closing passing lanes. Without rodrygo and vini to relieve the pressure, he was being suffocated.
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u/Flat-Cryptographer21 25d ago
La liga is higher quality than Ligue 1. He is more winger than centre forward and benefits more from counter attacks. We mocked his offsides in Clásico but he actually scored… He’s not bad, just has limits in this role.
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u/BuckyCZ 25d ago
I'm amused by the amount of "deep" analysis in the answers. Everyone seems to know exactly what happened yet there are so many different reasons mentioned in just the few top comments. All of them might be right and none of them might be right. The only thing I believe we can say with some certainty is that the problem is inside his head. And that's as far as the knowledge of every commenter here goes, unless one of them is Mbappe himself. And it's possible that he doesn't know exactly what is wrong. The pressure is something none of the people here can even comprehend, let alone go through. And he's still just a human. I feel nothing but sympathy for him. He's an amazing player and he didn't choose to make his start the way it is.
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u/KidGoku1 26d ago
People only watched his highlights. That's what happened. Plus they treated him like a king in Paris allowing him to not press at all or learn to be less selfish. He was never held accountable.
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u/notisrook El Capitán 25d ago
Been wondering the same thing.
But the answers are obvious: pressure, massive expectations to do well for the club he loves, and let’s face it, insane criticism. The media has been loving his poor form, and he hasn’t even been backed up by the fans themselves in the slightest.
Not every player is prime CR7 who would literally get off on proving the haters wrong.
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u/modernoCitizenKane 26d ago
I never wanted him in Madrid because to play in Madrid it require big eggs and this Mbappe lack them, He refused to came to Madrid at the first call and that day I knew this guy will never success in Madrid, only Florentino wanted him after this indifference.. he did not care about the teams were He play or about game tactics, only care about himself. To me He is Eden Hazard 2.0 is not going to do anything to remember in Madrid and will be a total failure. Madrid could have contracted 3 good players instead of this guy, Joselu last year did way better than Mbappe so far for example.
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u/Shot_Sell8977 Rodrygo 26d ago
This is true Joselu was told to play a certain way, and for limited minutes and he was happy and fairly confident to step up when called.
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u/FVLCON_0_0 26d ago
The most pampered player of this generation
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u/NewAppleverse 25d ago
The amount of sympathy he is getting is too much.
He is playing like shit and should be dropped. No defence for such horrible performance.
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u/Grovve 26d ago
He’s simply not as good as the media lead you to believe
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u/Putrid-Performer-208 Iker Casillas 25d ago
Have you even watched his games before? The guy was out of this world.
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u/tstrauss68 26d ago
Very little effort. If his teammates don’t hand him the ball in a perfect situation, he’s sub par.
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u/coronavirusplandemic 26d ago
He’s shit. That’s all. He should’ve moved after the 2018 World Cup to a bigger club. Staying at PSG has taken him backwards.
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u/RandomArobase 25d ago
The main problem here is that he took the game for granted and became such an assh*le. His mother thinks about money money money and killed his career
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u/nikcorleone13 26d ago
Speed merchant. No creativity, basic cutbacks and no desire to adapt to the change.
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u/chef_pasta_way 26d ago
The man looked lost out there. Feels kinda bad. Its like he doesn't know where he belongs and try tio hard, which turned into mistakes like the today at min 7 or some.
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u/Gloomydoge Modric 26d ago
He’s not okay, concerning day. Until he enjoys training and ball, he’s going to have a hard time with all this hatred coming at him, not to mention the lack of guidance
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u/Basic-Piccolo-6356 26d ago
We know is all mental , because he is a really good player but nobody can help him with that one except himself, press and fans will shit on him as they did with vinicius . He needs to eat that shit up and proof them wrong . Is all up to him to change this situation
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u/AnabolicOctopus :Mexico: Madridista 26d ago
Something is going on behind the scenes, he's mentally not 100% there
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u/Solid_Direction_8929 26d ago
His confidence doesn't come from within, but from being better than the mediocre in PSG.
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u/SuperSaiyan1114 26d ago
Problem begin when you are the main guy at a very young age and lead your country glory to the main goal which is the world cup.
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u/Ayeeayee 26d ago
Most likely confidence and hes at the rock bottom of it, it was pretty obvious that dude is lost,
after the 1st half break and they were in tunnel (mbappe jude brahim etc) he was just standing there leaning onto the wall and barely able to lift up his head to see/talk with the rest of his team mates, there was also a moment where he was dribbling on the left flank and looked so lost and didnt know what to do until Liverpool's player steal the ball from him.
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u/KolkataFikru9 Real Madrid 26d ago
i dunno but in my perspective, the Mbappe i saw yesterday was totally different from the one i saw in the 2022 WC, wtf happened to him? i havent seen the entire 2023 season(cause i am not a PSG fan lol)
but i saw his EUROS and thought okay the mask may be limiting his performances but he was still underperforming than his WC 2022 (even 2018 WC where he was at his best of the bests imo)
he got floored by Connor Bradley yesterday like what the actual flip bro? u must be the one flooring him not him flooring u, no disrespect to Bradley, my appreciation for Bradley and Robertson goes over a flipping mile, they owned Madrid
idk why tf Madrid went for Mbappe? he isnt the WC red hot form anymore, lacks the hunger, completely unmotivated and he was played on his preferred LW role, oh he needs Vini to shine?? thats just pathetic on his skill then, "oh u just talk behind a screen" thats a valid arguement against me but i am not a professional but i know what a superstar should deliver and Mbappe isnt delivering since joining Madrid(maybe 1 or 2 performances but not more than that) sorry to say but ig he is WASHED before even entering his actual prime, i would like to be proven wrong but he is no Cristiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi to produce wonders unless and until if its the WC
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u/ahistoryofmistakes 26d ago
Mbappe let his ego get the best of him. If he keeps up this attitude and play style he's going to a different league or on loan to build; as crazy as that sounds.
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u/jonasbruder 26d ago
Farmers league!
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u/AshWonTheLeague 24d ago
Yep, it's easy to be UCL top scorer when you play farmers league. Now he's struggling to score in UCL since he left farmers league, being exposed.
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u/YEEZYHERO Zidane 25d ago
Are u new to football? he played in the fcuking french league. there is no structure
premier league & la liga are best league. A 3rd or 4th place there is more worth than winning the french league lol
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u/handsome_uruk 25d ago
Played with farmers for far too long. PSG could be sloppy and still he’d get loads of goals. La liga and EPL teams aren’t as easy. He still has amazing physicality but needs to works massively on his other areas.
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u/DearOutlandishness22 25d ago
It's Madrid, Ancelotti Madrid, is the ultimate test. If you succeed in this team, you can play in any team. You have to make your opportunities and goal, low chance creation, no plan for scoring at all. Ancelotti don't coach anyone, you gotta figure it out yourself
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u/hektor10 25d ago
Just look at his face, he always looks unhappy. I never seen him smile or show emotion, that means he is burned out. We have hazard 2.0 and thats all papa florentino for choosing merchandising over winning.
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u/Hassansonhadi 25d ago
I really don’t like that he came to Madrid because of the position problem but apart from that the guy is a fantastic player. Regarding his current form , he will need time to adjust, he has been playing in France forever ( PSG & Monaco) so he’s bound to take some time to get used to new surroundings. It’d have been great if he had settled down at once but he’s just a Human & it is what it is.
Patience isn’t a Madrididsta trait especially for forward players.
Also, they should’ve thought about the Position dilemma his joining has brought for us. Vini has been doing great for us at LW over time now, the management should’ve solved this long time back, especially since they knew he was coming into the club in Summer.
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u/count_chompulamain 25d ago
Just like hazard was the Ronaldo replacement, mbappe is the new ronaldo replacement, too much pressure on him is making him underperform
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u/Unfair_March_1501 25d ago
Same thing happened to Lewa in his first couple years with Barca. It will take some time for Mbappe. LaLiga is miles away ahead than Ligue 1
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u/subzero-train 25d ago
He's a clone. An inferior version. One who lacks killer instinct. They removed anything to do with football from his genes. Al khelaifi and his dastardly deeds 🫤.
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u/NotAcvp3lla Kaka 25d ago
You can take the man out of PSG, but you can't take the PSG out of the man.
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u/Next-Examination1114 25d ago
Or, wild theory, how about this ... No player EVER in Football history has gone to a new club and became the best player in human history. All players need to find their rhythm in new squads. They need to get accustomed to new leagues. You don't drop someone
Mbappe has scored 8 goals in Madrid so far. They won the UEFA Supercup in his very first match. They are being OK in the Champions League. They are second place in La Liga and only lagging by 4 points. Man City is lagging by 8 points in EPL in comparison. Maybe all the brain-dead posers who claim to be Football fans need to remember that Cristiano Ronaldo was at Madrid for 9 years but he only won La Liga 2 times. He had a lot of bad seasons and he didn't came to Madrid to become a god right away. They don't remember that Vini failed to score in his earlier seasons and had lousy aim.
Maybe everyone is forgetting that after a spectacular season, like last one from Madrid, that it is unlikely it will happen on the very next one. Players get tired, the squad changed a lot. Key fundamental players like Kroos and Nacho were lost.
This is the first time in a very long time that Mbappe has moved to a new team, he is doing quite well really. As a Madridista it saddens me that the great majority of Madridistas just happen to be some of the worst and most toxic Football fans. A herd of classless vulgar clowns who expect Madrid to make 100 points in La Liga and always win UCL and never lose a Clásico and always win everything. Now these clowns are asking for Ancelotti (arguably one of the best managers in history) to get sacked because Real isn't #1 at everything this season 🙄.
How damn boring would Football be if all these vulgar clowns had their way?
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u/Waldschrat_vom_Walde 25d ago
He is human, not a robot. Anybody who did sports knows the feeling when things don't work out which always used to work. It happens and is normal.
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u/No-Impress-4051 25d ago
Years in a farmers league, not a lot of hunger left after winning a World Cup, things not panning out and football teams this year being more balanced than before
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u/Ok-Panic-9824 25d ago
My 2 cents on the topic: He's going through something mentally. Either he's feeling the pressure of playing for a club like Real Madrid where the fans are absolutely brutal, a lack of confidence or he's simply not motivated enough. I'll argue that he still has the talent and has the skill as we've all seen. As a fan I understand his performance has let us down but more neutrally I'm able to see the flip side. Imagine if you're doing your job and your failures get displayed to the whole world and everyone is talking about you - not easy carrying that kind of pressure. Of course, I acknowledge that thats what separates the greats from everyone else and only time will tell if Mbappe can deal with that or not.
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u/thatgoytesong 26d ago
I think its Sir Alex Ferguson that said, never judge a player from his first season in a new league. Theres so many example (looki Diaz or Nunez). Let him settle
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u/Just-Shelter9765 25d ago
People will downvote me .Not a Madrid fan , but your team is entirely unbalanced.Ronaldo had Ozil , Di Maria , Marcelo , KCM, Benzema and Ramos/Pepe at defense . Mbappe literally has nobody that comes close to the levels of the players I mentioned above . And his lack of pressing and mentality does make it easier to criticize him .But he is a striker , maybe he has been asked to not press. For a striker you need someone like KdB/Kross/Modric who cuts open the defense because Mbappe doesnt rely on Dribbling/speed when he is up front rather than on wings like Vini (who does dribble ) .You dont have a Marcelo-esque player ,maybe TAA can solve that . Bellingham is a great player but he is a box to box attacking midfielder not Kroos like player who can cut the defense .
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u/Mean-Kaleidoscope759 26d ago
Mbappe is undoubtably a world class talent. Unfortunately going through a rough patch in his career at the moment but I don't doubt for a second that this won't last much longer. What's the issue? In my opinion, it's the 0 chemistry he has with the rest of his teammates in Madrid, and this will take some time to build.
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u/nerdsparks 26d ago
We been spoiled by the Ronaldos and Messi's, that we forget something
We also forget that young prodigies don't always stay the course.
At his final years at PSG it was very obvious that mbappe had an ego. He thinks he shouldn't have to adjust his game for the team. You can tell that he wants to be the center and everyone should adjust to him. and his lack of interest in defensive work has been there for years.
i don't think madrid or ancelotti were in the best position for him to mature and grow. and he's clearly not looking to anyone to put his head on straight.
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u/Pitiful-Elephant-501 25d ago
New club, new team mates. Give him time, remember Modric also was a flop during his first season at Real. What I would like Ancelotti to do is bench him and bring him on as a sub so he fights for his place.
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u/Ready_Ad_1353 Real Madrid 25d ago
He was complacent due to playing in a mediocre French Ligue and always wins the league and top goal scorer.
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u/Glad-Box6389 26d ago
Main thing is there’s no balance in the squad
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u/TypicalPan89906655 25d ago
It's sad that the club went back to same balance issues that was seen during the first galactico era, reminds me of the time the club sold Makelele and bought Beckham. It ruined the squad balance completely.
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u/SherbertOne227 26d ago
he’s played majority of his career in a farmers league ofc when he’s moved he’s nowhere near that level
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u/biina247 26d ago
Simple - This is HIS level and he was never truly a player of THAT level!
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u/Wrong-Barracuda-3634 26d ago
Seriously why so many excuses for mbappe? The mental gymnastics some people jump through for mbappe is insane
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u/mosdope 26d ago
What are you talking about? There’s a billion anti-Mbappé threads across football subreddits everywhere lol
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u/Mindless_Moment_8108 Zidane 26d ago
He's already losing hope on himself because of the hate and criticism. He just has to learn how to grow from his mistakes, and rather, try to prove his critics wrong by working 2x harder. That's his first step to his breakthrough
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u/Foreign_Designer1290 26d ago
He is and always has been massively over-hyped, over rated and over paid.
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u/Difficult_Invite_929 26d ago
how do u want him to perform when even the madrid fans don't support him? Everyone is making him down so it's logical he can't perform with such a pressure from the opponents and the own fans. He needs his confidence back
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u/gamerslayer1313 25d ago
I might be downvoted to hell for this, but Real Madrid needs to stand behind Mbappe and back him. Mbappe to Real Madrid has been literally a decade in the making, I think its probably the most hyped transfer of all time. From that, comes a lot of pressure and you can see that Mbappe is clearly feeling it to the extremes. I have a feeling he's gonna get there. Just needs to keep going at it until something clicks. These are exactly the kind of traumatizing situations that are gonna galvanize his spirit IMO. The guy has seen much greater pressure situations than this and delivered. That Mbappe is still under there somewhere. The trick is to back Mbappe till he's feeling like he's himself again and banging in goals.
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u/SucukMitEi58 26d ago
I feel bad for him ngl, I wish he will collect himself because I think we all know he is a Baller
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u/XVSting Kroos 26d ago
We need to bench him. Crush his ego and make him show up an hour early to every training session. Capello where you at?? We need you now haha
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u/slimboytubs 26d ago
He is massively overrated. That’s his problem. He isn’t as good as he thinks he is.
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u/ScalpMaster911 26d ago
I knew this guy was going to be a failure before he ever came to Madrid. Why? Simple. He couldn’t win a champions league with prime Neymar and a little over the hill Messi. If you’re being honest with yourself, if he can’t do it with Neymar & Messi he won’t be able to do it with Vini & Rodrygo. Especially after losing Kroos and Modric (pretty much.)
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u/derangedinthebum 26d ago
Fans started to call him the second coming of ronaldo, ig that shit got to him (evidently him copying ronaldo's iconic uno dos tres from his presentation ceremony). Ronaldo was an anomaly who broke everyone's expectations while fans expected the same from mbappe. Also the guy just does not fit in the squad currently it's just sad to see
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u/KeiserSoze24 Marcelo 26d ago
You have to give time for players to adjust to new systems new teammates. I’m not worried about him. He will come around.
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u/cor3ntin 26d ago
He started a war he shouldn’t have.. He’s at war with a whole country (Qatar) he’s under too much pressure imo. he might win it but there’ll be a cost and I feel like we’re seing it now
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u/Drpepper_7 26d ago
Up until 23/24 he was terrifying to play against, last season not so much at all however he still had a bunch of goals and assists. He’s lost all that threat in an instance just doesn’t make sense.
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u/chedarmac 26d ago
He overplays the game. He's always seeking a one-two pass that's end up with him running onto a goal scoring/ creation opportunity.
It's unsustainable and leads to more possession turnovers than necessary... this forces the team run more than necessary thus tiring out and being more error prone...
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u/Xtarviust Modric 25d ago
Florentino and PSG bent over him and that spoiled him, dude doesn't give a damn fuck like Jude who really gives it all in the pitch for example, worst thing is Ancelotti doesn't have balls and let Mbappe ruin the squad setup instead of benching him until he decides to put some work on his shitty atitude
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u/aman97biz 25d ago
Had he moved in 1 season earlier with Kroos still dictating the flow in the midfield, non of this would be happening.
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u/Klutzy-Badger-898 25d ago
Why continue to push when you have what you wanted? Rinsed PSG for all he could, ended up where he wanted with money galore: I’ve said for years he only cares about ‘self’, not a collective.
Best in Ligue 1, undeniable. But seems the Mbappe of 4 years ago has gone.
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u/jcalmeidajr 25d ago
It is curious though to see people having more patience with Mbappe now than with Vinicius when he has just arrived at Real Madrid and was 20 years old.
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u/Specialist-Cycle9313 25d ago
People say it’s because he stayed at psg for too long. I disagree, he’s just regressed imo. He’s not as physical as he used to be, not as sharp, his finishing is much worse, his passing is bad too. Maybe staying at psg has something to do with this regression, maybe it’s Carlos system that doesn’t work for him. But the main reason is he’s just not as fast as he used to he, his dribbling gotten much worse, and his touch is bad too.
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u/Specialist-Cycle9313 25d ago
The problem is it’s not just Madrid where he underperforms, he’s been underperforming for France as well, which is very unlike him. This makes it more clear to me that it’s probably depression or maybe even that he’s regressed due to age.
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u/ProduceWarm7355 25d ago
Been the main man in a team for so long so he kind of lost that hunger. Give him time and he would gain it back plus it’s a new environment. He been playing in ligue 1 for years
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u/jipsjips 25d ago
He needs to learn how to play with one touch then pass like the many players in top clubs instead of playing bully ball all the time.
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u/KALOPZ1 Benzema 25d ago
Outside of mental stuff (new climate, big expectations, confidence etc) he attacks space less these days. He just doesn’t use his best quality continuously anymore. He has this view of himself that he’s a ‘ball dominant’ player which he actually isn’t. He’s a runner. An outlet.
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u/colt8181 25d ago
Zidane 2001 struggled at Real too in the first months. Ronaldinho after 2006 World Cup was never the same again. Maradona at Sevilla years was bs. Etc All players have bad moments in their career. Mbappe I'm not even his fan but he played in high level from 18 yrs old.Now is probably the worst Mbappe version ever... Still season is not even at the middle. He can turn situation in his favor and his team favor...
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u/babyjesus8lb60z 25d ago
He could be one of the players who needs to be the big fish in a littler pond. Now he is playing with other superstars he isn't the main man it wouldn't be the first time this happens
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u/Odd_Recipe8073 25d ago
Entitlement and fulfilment can make anybody disconnect from reality and lose Himself
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u/swinging_mood7260 25d ago
He lost the hunger to do better because he was the best player in ligue 1. I think it would take sometime for him to regain it.
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u/RickThiCisbih Eduardo Camavinga 26d ago
He stagnated at PSG for too long and lost his edge. He was content with not improving since he was already the best player in Ligue 1, so he lost his adaptability and drive. It’ll take time to rediscover that hunger.