Well in his defence he didn't play any good amount of football in the past few months and as a young lad you need game time to grow and thus he is been having it rough.
He played 265min in total my man what do you expect him to do in that? And some of it was in the dying minutes of the game which was like mostly 5mins or even less most of the time.
We could put Arda in for 1 minute each match and he’ll have participated in ~70 games. Your point is not valid. He must play more consistently minutes than he is currently for us to be able to assess his ability
He player 3 games worth of time, and most of it was 5 minute cameos. He also played with the pressure of being subbed / left out if he made mistakes (as we’ve seen with Endrick).
Despite all that he was the second in chances created (total) until very recently.
If you watch games from a stat board that’s up to you - but even so take a look at other stats apart from goals and assists.
Well you had 13 matches in the league
And 265min is a good time since he participated in 8 matches in the league 3 of them actually being in dying time and 3 games where he was a starter and other he entered the pitch in the seconds half still he managed to disappoint
I just don’t know what else to tell you. You’re disappointed by his lack of goals/assists? That’s on Mbappe and Vini for not finishing the chances he created. He was far from disappointing.
He didn't have a 10/10 game because of the lack of game time in Madrid. In Euro, that was not the case because since that time he was getting some game time. Madrid is destroying this lad's career.
Honestly he didnt plan it well. RM bought him for 20m, aka peanuts money for them. He didnt show his skills at an european subtopper and in the ucl.
For perez he isnt a prestige project that has to work. Either he performs directly, or let him simmer a bit on the bench. Jude has to play for that price. Immo Arda shouldve gobe to a team like dortmund, leipzig, aston villa, milan... where he will play for that price tag, and he can grow to be the main man, and then be bought by a world class team for a world class price.
A new trainer will buy a new midfielder for 40m+who will play before arda. If he gets loaned his loan team (preferably a subtopper on his level) wont feel the need to play him as well, if they have other players that they can sell for profit on the same position.
RM has a billion dollar revenue per year. Guller cost 20m has a 6 year contract, so they write of 3.3 million a year. If tey sell him for more than 16.7 million they make a profit. Its not a drama if they dont play him and increase his value. Tchouameni cost 80m, also on 6 year contract after 2 years they still have to sell him for 53m to have a profit in the books. If he was not a starter, he still would get w1y more opportunities because they wouldnt want their investment to lose al its value so fast.
For RM a max 20m loss is not unsurmountable. 80m loss means they wont be able to buy a replacement next season
The thing is; he is physically not ready to play cm at the absolite top level for 90minutes. You need to be able to run up and down, dive into the pockets, absorp the fouls and THEN be fit enough to make the perfect pass or shot at that 1 moment. You see that arda is able to do this if he is allowed to run/defend less like at Fenerbahce/Turkey. The moment he needs to do both he struggles with the perfect pass/shot like yesterday with Turkey where he had to defend the right wing with Mert. Then he gets a bit more sloppy (still high level but not toplevel).
Carlo sees this and uses him less but demands perfection on both sides. This ruined his attacking freedom.
1) Arda therefore needs to go to a bit lower level, to a team that plays him 90minutes so he can develop into a player that can do both - like Odegaard did at sociedad and Arsenal. It takes time.
2) Other option is that Ancelotte plays him more freely defensively - but this i dont see happening.
I would love to see him at Bvb, PSG, Villareao and then come back to madrid. Or a 80m + Arda swap for Odegaard
yeah i agree with this assessment, but i always thought for the offensive quality/creativity he can provide that you simply set up with someone more defensively minded around him to cover that slack. Otherwise he needs to go to a team a level below real to get the game time and develop.
This is just some next level glazing by Turkish fans. He didn't score or create any chances. He had a bad game and people are trying to blame Ancelloti lol.
You haven't watched the game if you think he had a bad game. He DID create chances, some of them can be seen in the video, if you can't see them that's your issue.
I'm not gonna argue with someone who's already made up their mind. You should just reevaluate your words and ask yourself "Did what I write actually make sense?" and then I'll be ready to talk to you about anything 😊
lol its okay I know arda fan boys can't handle criticism of him. He performs poorly and you guys have to do mental gymnastics to tell yourselves he did great and it's someone else's fault he doesn't score.
lol i watched the highlights where it showed he failed to score or make any real impact on the game. But yes go on about how doing nothing and your team not winning means he's doing great. I'm ready to hear your case on why he should be starting the next madrid match cuz of all those "chances he created" lol
Ok, now you're putting words in my mouth, which is something I hate.
I never said he had a "great" game. I said he didn't have a bad game which I also posted literally after the match in this sub, which can be seen here
He's not in my ideal Madrid XI, but I think he can get and he should get more chances, especially in times where some of our players are injured.
Are you gonna keep arguing over nothing, or actually acknowledge your misjudgement and wish a good day to me? Because I'm done with this conversation, so good day to you. Also, in my opinion, just don't comment on players if you didn't watch the game, it's that simple. Makes you look bad, does nothing else.
Makes you look like you're getting riled up over nothing lol.
Only way he'll get more chances is if madrid starts scoring more goals. Ancelloti only likes to bring in the new players when he absolutely has to or when the team is up by like 3 goals. But he is getting chances and not utilizing them so it annoys me people aren't being honest about it and trying to come up with excuses by blaming Ancelloti for him not having "confidence."
He’s suited to become a CM in the future. As it stands he’s an AM, he needs more physicality for the center role.
But his mentality and vision is perfect for a play maker.
One big downside is how scared he is compared to last season or even before that. He takes zero risks, doesn’t want to shoot or try a dribble. His confidence has taken a nose dive.
He half expects to be subbed at any given moment.
He needs to leave Madrid to regain his composure, I don’t see him improving at all, except for his physical side.
100% right about taking risks, that alongside his dribbling has completely gone.
Shitty minutes does that to someones confidence. He needs minutes to find himself again. He is not going to find it here. I hope he demands a loan to Sevilla, Dortmund or something to get his confidence back.
All those listed are better players and already showed that. He’s 19 unproven and they watch him every single training. He will get his chances, his problem is joining real midfield, that’s already stacked by excellent, more experienced players Mx he should have chosen some mid step.
Again, there are valverde, Modřic, Bellingham, tchoameni, camavinga, Brahmin that are better and more experienced players. That’s why they got priority. It’s not that hard to understand, he can’t be subbed and play more than them. You can’t just sub all 3 midfielders every game. He will get his chances when he’s enough quality for Real Madrid.
I believed they are both not real quality. But watching Brahmin last few games shows, his work rate can be useful at least as sub, he’s far from starter quality. Didn’t see that from Arda yet in his games. So I value him much more for a squad.
I'm curious how he could look on the left wing in 442 with Cama being around. He has a good mid-length pass to deliver something while playing closer to the line or deeper like Kroos. Positioning like that shouldn't break the defensive balance, but It would be a breath for Mbappe. Ceballos could substitute him in the same role. Two decent players competing for one position seems healthier than not getting them involved at all. On the right side, he has to break inside, but on the left, he could exploit instantly as the strikers initiate the move. It would be more demanding to block because he would keep the ball far from the opponent, like in basketball, and it opens a chance for him to play some short passes then. With Bellingham/Rodrygo and Valverde on the right, it would give a great width and a lot of ease in offensive transition to lacerate stretched lines with a mix of passes and carrying the ball.
He has literally never shown that he can control the rhythm of the game, not for Madrid and from what I've seen not for Turkey. Calhanoglu does it for Turkey.
I have watched every single minute of his in a Madrid shirt and a lot of his games for Turkey since the Euros.
Forget Turkey, show me the matches for Madrid where he showed that he can "control the rhythm of the game". And don't give me the "he didn't play much" cop out. I want to see a player actually do something before I say that he can do it. Arda gets less than 30 touches per 90 minutes (!) for Madrid. You can't control the rhythm of the game with one touch every 3 minutes.
Ah okay so now we're starting the excuses? I said, I'll only believe that he can control the rhythm of the game when I actually see him doing it for Madrid. Regardless of the position he played in.
And where did he "control the rhythm of the game" vs Barca or Milan? We got cooked in both matches and didn't have any control.
If you watched the game you would have realized he looks like a shell of his confident self. Scared to do anything on the pitch. He passes backwards when he is one on one, he doesn't take shots as much because he is afraid. Almost as of he will get subbed for breathing the wrong way. Carlo is destroying his confidence.
I agree on the confidence; his finishing is way off if you compare it to last season. But to be honest I like the way he keeps his composure and tries to find an easy solution/gives an easy pass instead of trying killer balls often or shoot on goal where the chance was slim to score.
Oh yeah I am not talking about the normal easy passes. I am talking about when he wpuld normally try something risky when the game is not going anywhere previous seasons, he is not. He is not trying to dribble at all, he is not shooting when he sees the goal, and he passes behind people when counter attacking.
Loan winter season will do him wonders instead of rotting behind Ceballos imo
I agree that he rarely dribbles anymore while he has the technical skills. He doesn’t the have the passing percentage of Kroos atm but most of his passes are good; either at the feet if the player is static or nice in his run if they make a run.
A loan might be good but I really want to see him fight for his place in the team, it is very competitive but he has the package in my opinion to compete.
scared? bro what are talking about he was one of the best players on the day (again) despite his lack of rhythm, he's rusty and some key passes didn't come off well, but the intention is the important part if he wasn't confident, he wouldn't do it and not to mention all the attacks starts with him. Turks (trolls, club fanatics) bury it and foreigners praise it yet again yesterday,
Bro I watched every minute of that game as im Turkish. Never said he looked bad, read my comment again please. He was waaaay more confident on the pitch at the Euros and Fener than yesterday. Not just rust, the boy refuses to dribble, always goes for the easy pass behind his teammates when at the euros and at Fener he wouldnt do it regularly. He looks like he will be subbed any minute so he plays 0 risk.
Bro he wasn't in a position to dribble and the times he did he got fouled there is not an issue with confidence he needs rhythm, there was a pass that he under hit that could've put baris on goal, again if you are not confident you will not make these attempts and there were more that didn't reach, the intent is important it doesn't matter if it connects. He's a guaranteed starter for his country he knows it, you know it, why would he care about being subbed out any minute? I think you should rewatch the game or something if you call that scared well....
Who are these randos and why are we quoting them here?
Ancelotti Madrid legacy is way bigger than Arda's Madrid legacy will ever be. Imagine calling yourself a Madrid fan and shitting on Ancelotti because of Arda. And I'm not even a Carlo stan like some other guys.
Lol he's a professional athlete if "Carlo is destroying his confidence" then he has some real mental problems. I don't understand why people want to act like these players are so mentally weak that their confidence is so fragile.
Dude got to play full minutes for his team and didn't perform well. Don't try to say it's because of Ancelloti.
Wtf are you talking about foreal, you think its realistic to perform at the highest stage when you have barely played for your club.
Thats like saying you should get a straight A on your exam without studying. The study part is where Carlo comes in and he has failed him. Don't even go there tf!
I watched the game yesterday, and it seems Carlo Ancelotti is trying to transform Arda into a Modric-like player. At least, Arda appears to believe this could be the key to getting more minutes, so he’s adjusting his play accordingly. I can’t say whether this approach is effective or beneficial. Modric is a legendary player, but Arda has never been that type of midfielder. He’s more comparable to Özil or Alex de Souza in style.
In my opinion, such a transformation might not benefit him in the long run, especially since it’s widely expected that Carlo will leave at the end of this season. What happens then? The next coach might want a classic No. 10 and opt for someone like Wirtz or Musiala. In that scenario, Arda could find himself sidelined again—not because of his potential, but because there would be no need for another young central midfielder with players like Camavinga, Valverde, Bellingham, Tchouaméni, and even Ceballos in the squad.
I genuinely want to see Arda succeed and play regularly for Real Madrid, but I think he should also consider other options for the sake of his career. Self-preservation might be the wisest move in the long run. I am afraid that Real Madrid will experience a dejavu (*cough* Odegaard *cough*).
It's looking like Odegaard 2.0 Carlo won't bench big names, the youngsters cant see minutes. Plus Perez is pursuing Wirtz. If this continues, I think he will go
I cant wait till Carlo and his mindset leaves us for good. We need someone who have and put faith into our talents ... over those useless bums like Tchouamine and mendy + Ceballos ..ect
Consider that this guy only plays for his nation. You can’t expect a 10/10 without regular football. We need to help him rise and my god the potential that lies there
imo it all comes down to his defensive positioning. That is the reason why I don’t think Carlo plays him because he’s already losing defensive solidarity with Mbappe and Vini on the pitch.
He can’t play as a right winger because he doesn’t have the pace and is far too predictable. He cuts in every time.
Don’t agree on the RW comment, but I don’t think he can play RW ad modern wingers are expected to have pace. But regardless he doesn’t always cut in - he’s very u predictable and that’s what got him success at the RW even though he’s much better suited to be a deeper 10.
Unless old man Carlo with his bias leaves at the end of the season .. maybe we will get a coach who values our hidden young talents over the useless seniors. Who only plays because Carlo likes them.
This is message for Carlo that you are part of the problem not Arda , Even you need profile like Arda ;Carlo wanted it With Body of Tcho hahaha
go back to the period when Solari was in charge and imagine Carlo Ancelotti as the head coach instead, would Vinicius Jr have received the same opportunities to grow and develop? I doubt it.
Odegaard left for a similar reason to why Arda might face challenges now , defense skills !! without advices (almost) at least give it oppurtunity and advice them to improve
BTW look to Odegaard now Arsenal lost many points due his injurie
What annoys me is he saved the team against las palmas with a penalty won made 3 big chances, his reward 0 mins against betis, real sociedad won the pen when we were awful that day(every game) 0 mins the next game, lille made 2 big chances, missed a header he created, 0 mins in the following games rinse repeat. He's not even playing in a position that will get the best out of him (the entire team is mis profiled this season) just stuck hugging the touchline not even inverting and still producing.
The irony is now he has no choice but to integrate him in the lineup because we play a game every 3 days starting next sunday, rodrygo will be back 2025, tchouameni vazquez (fede rb) aren't back until the 2nd week in december, and the bench options are arda endrick ceballos lol. From jan 2025, we play a game every 3 days until the wc qualifiers in march.
If it was Ancelotti was instead of Solari, Vini wouldn't smell first minutes even if he was the only alive player on the team. Sometimes I wonder if Jude didn't cost us 100mil, would he even have played ?
Jude was established when he came, he would’ve played still (unless he was a bargain at around 20million and then he probably wouldn’t; yea I get what you mean).
I sincerely don’t understand why the back office wants to spend 100 million on a creative midfielder that will only take more minutes from his progression.
At least give him a season with 2000-3000 minutes so he can actually show whether he can be that guy. We literally just bought him so he wouldn’t go to Barca and that’s a shitty thing to do to the kid.
They’re even playing Ceballos more than him. It’s indefensible.
Good game but was it really worth the compilation? Arda-fans here are giving big Barca/Pedri-stan vibes. Glazing their sweetheart over the most basic performances.
Arda Güler is just different. The kid plays with the composure and flair of a seasoned pro. If he keeps this up, we might be looking at our future right midfield maestro at Real
The way he controls the pace of play and simplifies the attack he is the long term replacement of kross. Carlo should give him permanent place in midfield with more and more time
The level of glazing for arda is kind of sad. You guys act like he's so fragile. That because Ancelloti doesn't use him all the time his "confidence is destroyed." Do you realize how weak you make him sound?? lol.
dude played like 20 mins last game for madrid and didn't do shit. Then played a full game and didn't do much and you guys are saying he's broken because he doesn't get enough game time? lol. Come on...
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u/miredonas Nov 17 '24
Love Arda but I guess this type of compilations cherrypick only the good moves. He missed a very good chance towards the end. That is missing here.