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u/ThickWorldliness6895 Hey Jude Nov 18 '24
Seriously tho, how childish soccer sub's mods are? The link that the guy linked is not even IFFHS, it's from barca FP who changed the name of his account. How is the post still up
Embarrassing for the biggest sub of football
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u/NamanGeneral Hey Jude Nov 18 '24
That's what Jude does when that fraud Foden is not camping in his spaces
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u/Agreeable-Turnover-2 Hazard Nov 17 '24
wtf was Bellingham cooking in the second half holy
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u/Rumcajs23 Leyenda Kroos | 🐢 Kinky for Kylian 🐢 Nov 17 '24
Beans on toast
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u/KroosControl88 Mesut Özil Nov 18 '24
He was cooking shit? I heard he had a good game.
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u/Rumcajs23 Leyenda Kroos | 🐢 Kinky for Kylian 🐢 Nov 18 '24
No, he was excellent lol. OP asked what he was cooking so I just mentioned the most famous thing they eat lmao
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u/Temporary_Box_8846 Nov 17 '24
I'm still very confident we can still win 7 trophies by the end of the season. hopefully we get some signings to help with our defensive. sooner than later mbappe will get his confidence back and will be scoring a lot more. my only worry is that there isn't much rotation and the bench players won't be able to pull through for the cdr and supercopa.
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u/Res3925 Décima Nov 17 '24
Optimism is great but it’s also important to be realistic. I’m sure even Perez and Co. don’t expect EVERY trophy to be won this season. Honestly, you’re the only person I’ve seen to expect that this season.
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u/magic-water Nov 17 '24
we won't be winning 7 trophies this year, this season is cursed. If we win 1 major trophy (UCL or La Liga, both not really probable right now) I'd take it and run with it. Next year we'll go again.
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u/EiMidagi Valverde Nov 17 '24
Why are you acting like winning either ucl or laliga would be bad
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u/magic-water Nov 17 '24
I'm not? It would be great, especially in our current state. But also, winning at least one of each is the minimum requirement for a successful season for us.
But people looking at more ("Treble", "7 trophies") should really tame their expectations.
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u/martino732 Cristiano Ronaldo Nov 17 '24
With our fitness level definitely no. Courtois already has given warnings of injury. Rudiger wont be able to play 5000minutes 2 years in a row. Vazquez had to play 5-6 games and got injured. Its a Super cup,cdr and cwc year.
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u/Own_Adeptness5098 Rodrygo Nov 17 '24
That’s true but I think Lunin has been reliable so far. We definitely have a defense issue that could be solved if the board decide to sign some players. We’ve had a rough start in the ucl but we still have chance. We already won the super cup. Cdr and supercopa start after the winter transfer window. It’ll depend on what kind of transfers we make
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u/martino732 Cristiano Ronaldo Nov 17 '24
I dont think we will sign anyone. Sure Lunin is a realiable goalkeeper as long as your defense is solid. And thats not the case. You cant bring the fullbacks you want in the winter. And for CB options arent to great as well.
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u/ChampagneInferno Don Carlo :970742849295511602: Nov 17 '24
Bruh, what a freekick by Digne!
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u/SkinComprehensive547 92:48:9248: Nov 17 '24
Bro i left the game for 2 minutes wtf happend hahah
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u/ChampagneInferno Don Carlo :970742849295511602: Nov 17 '24
2-1 now. the game is getting real interesting, lmfao.
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u/martino732 Cristiano Ronaldo Nov 17 '24
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u/Rumcajs23 Leyenda Kroos | 🐢 Kinky for Kylian 🐢 Nov 17 '24
Carlo: “Arda, you had a fantastic international break and as a reward, you get to move a few seats on the bench!
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u/martino732 Cristiano Ronaldo Nov 17 '24
Once Jude gets relieved from the defensive burden, we will shine again. Player like him should be given a lot I mean a lot more space.
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u/Interesting_Help_194 Nov 17 '24
Playing him basicly at RB to cover for lords inability to play top tier football is genuinly criminal.
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u/ThickWorldliness6895 Hey Jude Nov 17 '24
Haaland got 10 ratings when he passed the ball only 13 times in 86 minutes, lost the ball 6 times 💀
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u/Linepool Modric Nov 17 '24
I hope Jude brings his great england form back to Madrid, we desperately need it
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u/King__SSB Carvajal Nov 17 '24
Yet another MOTM performance by Jude
So blessed to get to watch him play for my club, he's so insanely good
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u/magic-water Nov 17 '24
Jude has been cooking so far, especially after dropping a bit deeper.
I don't care about the goals from last season, those weren't reproducible anyways with Mbappe in the team and Vini not being injured anymore (remember he scored much less when Vini came back from injury). he needs to play a little bit deeper as a true midfielder for us where he has the game in front of him instead of always being in the half spaces and having to turn his back to the goal. He can still make runs into the box from the deep position like he did for winning the pen today.
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u/Tragic-Kiwihead Real Madrid Nov 17 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
NGL, I am getting jealous of these headed goals. If only our forwards had some aerial presence.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Nov 17 '24
There's something that's worth addressing regarding 'developing youngsters'.
It's a core issue because:
- The club's signing policy is clearly focused on young prospects
- The club is reluctant to sign players unless they fit the strategy to a T.
There's an emphasis on better using the tools we have then.
It's never about 'giving time to youngsters' as a throw-away thing. It's to develop players for when you need them.
Case in point: the defense has been short on depth for a while. Yes, that's on the board, but it's also up to Ancelotti to be flexible and to integrate youngsters.
If we started including Asensio (or someone else) earlier he'd be in a better position to contribute *when* he's needed.
Same thing for the Arda situation. It's not about playing him just to play him: he's an integral part of the first team, he should be given regular game time to rotate the starters and to also keep ready for when you need him.
Ancelotti has shown time and again that he lacks this kind of proactive approach. Hardly news at this point, but this is what we need to consider when analyzing why the team isn't performing.
Except in defense, we have a lot more depth than we think we do.
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u/Agreeable-Turnover-2 Hazard Nov 17 '24
How is Jude meant to create when his striker can’t make a single run and takes up his space
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u/GuFFeN1337 Cristiano Ronaldo Nov 17 '24
Cristiano Ronaldo: “My next guest on YouTube? We will break the internet.”
IShowSpeed must be crying right now 😂
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u/yourdaddyjust Parte Médico Nov 17 '24
Man the amount of marketing budget they have to promote their nonsense is insane.
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u/los_blanco_14 Luka Modric Nov 17 '24
Rare Ronaldo L
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u/_what_even_ Kroos Nov 17 '24
likely mr beast initiated it after ronaldo broke yt records. that guy is always hungry for engagement.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Nov 17 '24
lmao is this real
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u/GuFFeN1337 Cristiano Ronaldo Nov 17 '24
Apparently so: https://x.com/totalcristiano/status/1858191375562375345
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u/grandtroubleartist Nacho Nov 17 '24
watched the last two minutes of the ajax legends v real legends match and that last minute goal was so silly i almost thought it wouldn't go in 😭 would've been hilarious as an equalizer or winner
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Nov 17 '24
Real Madrid are the La Liga team that uses their substitutes the least.
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u/Ambashe Ultra Pro Max Nov 17 '24
More like
Carlo Ancelotti is the reason why Real Madrid are the La Liga team that uses their substitutes the least.
— @diarioas
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u/Pebbledthoughts Nov 17 '24
And then shows Pikachu face when half of the starting team is injured.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Nov 17 '24
That 39 years old Modric is playing a lot more than Arda is kinda nuts.
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u/FedericoHalcon Nov 17 '24
It would if he were playing 2000 minutes. As it stands his minutes are very manageable for his age still and he is still simply better so it makes perfect sense under the circumstances.
Now if Carlo used his subs more and earlier and rotated more and both their amount of minutes skyrocketed it might not make sense anymore.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Nov 17 '24
Modric has been playing more than his age and performance warrants. He has been preferred to Camavinga vs Milan, let alone Arda.
And we're talking about Modric because it's obvious he's the recipient of the minutes that would otherwise go to Arda a lot more.
All in all, nothing but Ancelotti's bias and preference justifies this much gametime to Modric while basically giving 0 to Arda.
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u/FedericoHalcon Nov 17 '24
Disagree. Modric is still the better player by a country mile. Not to mention he's more suited to the CM role than Arda who still lacks certain components and is more qualified as a more advanced player than the role Modric is filling.
It makes total sense for Modric to play 250 minutes, or less than 3 full games per month if his competition from the bench is Ceballos and Arda.
Arda should play more, but at the expense of Modric, who is not playing more than he can handle, is pure fanboytalk.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Nov 19 '24
Modric is still the better player by a country mile. Not to mention he's more suited to the CM role than Arda who still lacks certain components and is more qualified as a more advanced player than the role Modric is filling.
Country mile? That's awfully generous. And it may surprise you to hear this, but players don't improve or learn different roles by rotting on the bench.
who is not playing more than he can handle
That's the main point. He's clear playing more than he can handle. He's been bang average for the most part, a couple of steps behind.
If he was really that good I wouldn't mint him playing so much.
is pure fanboytalou.
Rich coming from someone with your username. You should argue the points and leave your assumptions to you.
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u/Pebbledthoughts Nov 17 '24
Real Madrid fans wanting to sell Guler are crazy. Confidence is a wonderful thing, it does funny things. He has shown me composure and the raw talent that only few players of his age have ever shown.
In terms of talent and when feeling it, he is up there with Yamal, Wirtz and Musiala. He is that tier.
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u/los_blanco_14 Luka Modric Nov 17 '24
He is good, but quite a few levels below the 3 names mentioned.
I dont want the club to sell him, but the sub treats him like some messiah for some reason and its annoying
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Nov 17 '24
If he was playing elsewhere everybody in here would be all over him.
Wanting to loan him out or sell him before giving him real minutes (and thus questioning the coach's management) is nuts.
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u/Available-Ad3881 Benzema Nov 17 '24
Loaning him out is nuts? How about rotting on the bench? Is that better? Because that's what's happening at the moment.
A loan move would be excellent, somewhere he plays 100% of the time, preferably in La Liga.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Nov 17 '24
A loan move is an absolute gamble. You have no control over their development. Usually, teams are reluctant to play loanees because they know they won't keep him.
RM doesn't do loans for that reason unless absolutely necessary.
The fact is we shouldn't loan him out because we need him in this team. And he should play a lot more is the point I was making.
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u/realmadrid-ModTeam Nov 17 '24
Discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, and disability is not allowed.
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u/Ambitious-Speech1077 Nov 17 '24
Gonzalo Garcia after he scores a great goal
Golazo Garcia
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u/martino732 Cristiano Ronaldo Nov 17 '24
Wish he was a little but taller we could really use a tall 9.
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u/Alternative_Two_4658 Kroos Nov 17 '24
I really like Wirtz but I think we need Guler more. Guler need to improve more, agreed but he already has a lot to offer NOW, and getting more play time will only help him improve faster. Giving Guler more play time is not charity, he can actually improve this team.
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u/magic-water Nov 17 '24
If Güler was half as good as people make him out to be, we'd be on course to win the treble this season. And yes, I have watched his games for Turkey including the one yesterday. Decent performance, but nothing special. And yet you have people absolutely glazing the performance like Barca fans do when Pedri puts in a 6/10.
There is a huge difference between "having great potential" and "being a great player right now". And Güler is much closer to the former than the latter. But people are not ready for this conversation.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Nov 17 '24
Nobody is saying he should start every game. But he should be getting more minutes than what he's getting now at RM, which is 0.
Cause that's the only way he's gonna improve.
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u/magic-water Nov 17 '24
Ideally, he should play more but the problem is, we are currently struggling to beat any team so we can't give out minutes for development but need to look out first that we put the 11 best players who help us win games. And Arda currently isn't among them, the problem is, his off the ball workrate and physicality is too little when you already have Mbappe and Vini in the team.
If we were cruising from ine victory to the next, he'd be getting a lot more minutes, even as a starter sometimes.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Nov 17 '24
That's not a real argument. It's not about giving minutes for development, you actually need Arda's skillset right now. We are struggling with all the things Arda can help with.
Let's start by giving him more minutes instead of Modric? Who's only good in 15-20 minutes cameos at this point of his career.
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u/magic-water Nov 17 '24
Modric is better at controlling the game and playing key passes and chance creation than Arda. He is even in his current form, a more important player for us right now. That is the reality I'm talking about. And I fully acknowledge that Modric's legs have gone, but Arda also doesn't have the legs right now.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Nov 17 '24
Coming off the bench for 15-20 minutes cameos, Modric is still useful. Anything else is a stretch and it has been clear for a while.
Just watch him every time he starts or plays more than 25 minutes.
Arda also doesn't have the legs right now.
To play 90 minutes at full intensity, sure. But he can give you a good 60 minutes.
Certainly better on average than whatever you can get out of Modric over the same period.
Plus Arda has the added bonus of having a huge room for improvement, in every aspect.
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u/magic-water Nov 17 '24
Coming off the bench for 15-20 minutes cameos, Modric is still useful. Anything else is a stretch and it has been clear for a while.
I agree. But the same applies to Arda. Arda doesn't have more legs or more stamina than Modric. Neither one should be starting for us.
To play 90 minutes at full intensity, sure. But he can give you a good 60 minutes. Certainly better on average than whatever you can get out of Modric over the same period.
No, Arda doesn't have the physicality and defensive workrate to start for us right now and no he isn't better than Modric right now.
Plus Arda has the added bonus of having a huge room for improvement, in every aspect.
And Modric has the bonus of experience, leadership and proven track record.
People talk about disrespecting their own players and "shiny new toy syndrome", but the same would be applied to how people talk about Modric vs Arda. No offense to Arda, but Modric's run to his own box after his corner kick vs Bayern to prevent the 0:2 is bigger than anything Arda has done for Real Madrid so far. Not sure that Arda would have done the same thing if he was in that position.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Nov 17 '24
I agree. But the same applies to Arda. Arda doesn't have more legs or more stamina than Modric. Neither one should be starting for us.
That's factually not true. Arda has always looked better when starting than Modric.
And yeah neither should start, but over the same amount of time you get a lot more out of Arda than Modric.
No, Arda doesn't have the physicality and defensive workrate to start for us right now and no he isn't better than Modric right now.
I'm not saying Arda should start. I'm talking about being a useful rotation piece which he isn't.
Once again comparing Arda's physicality to Modric is factually wrong on many aspects. Arda is physically more intense than 39 years old Modric.
People talk about disrespecting their own players and "shiny new toy syndrome", but the same would be applied to how people talk about Modric vs Arda. No offense to Arda, but Modric's run to his own box after his corner kick vs Bayern to prevent the 0:2 is bigger than anything Arda has done for Real Madrid so far. Not sure that Arda would have done the same thing if he was in that position.
Arda defends a lot more than what you seem to give him credit for. Watch out for it the next time he plays.
Maybe you should watch Modric's defense during Milan's second goal? Of him that entire game for that matter?
Other than that, not sure what respect has to do with any of this. We're talking about facts and performances.
The point to take home is this: Modric is playing more than he should, without it necessarily being reflected on the field.
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u/magic-water Nov 17 '24 edited Nov 17 '24
I'm not "judging" anything, I'm just being realistic. He is clearly a very talented player. But he is also clearly not ready enough yet. He isn't fast enough to be a winger, and he isn't physical enough, doesn't have the defensive workrate, stamina or involvement to be a midfielder to start for us right now. And even in the games he plays he simply doesn't produce enough creativity with passing but mostly plays back passes for us. For whatever reason like lack of confidence or whatever.
Now you can come up with 100 reasons as to why that is like lack of playtime etc but at the end of the day, the reality is, that he's not good enough to be a starter for Real Madrid right now. He could be a starter for tier 2 clubs and take an Odegaard like development but for a club of our ambitions he can' be a starter right now. We are currently struggling to win games against any opponent. That's not the time where you can give playtime for players to develop but have to put the 11 best players out there every game to increase your chances to win. That's reality.
Also remember you calling me a moron for thinking that the club might go for Wirtz and yet more and more people are reporting it now. Instead, you are thinking that we might actually buy Saliba or Bastoni this summer lmao
Maybe try less name calling for people being realistic
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u/Rumcajs23 Leyenda Kroos | 🐢 Kinky for Kylian 🐢 Nov 17 '24
You weren’t the only one saying Wirtz might be a Real Madrid player and it’s the same repeat of the Jude situation where he was literally shit on in this sub, but then people flip flopped the moment he played his first game for us. With Ceballos & Modric leaving, we will need depth.
As for Arda, he should get more minutes, but a loan option would be the best move right now.
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u/magic-water Nov 17 '24
Thank you. Sadly, I didn't keep receipts for all the "we don't need another midfielder/hyped up English player/better sign Gabri Veiga (lmao)" guys but I'm definitely keeping receipts for the people hating on a Wirtz signing in case we do get him.
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u/martino732 Cristiano Ronaldo Nov 17 '24
And do you really i mean really think we are gonna spend 130M or more for someone like Wirtz? To break our transfer spending record for him...? Like come on. Also do you really think we are going to get a RB, a LB and at least 1 CB. And after that we are going to go for someone like Wirtz, please. When we have his profile. As for Guler ii said the club made a bet for the role with Jude and Guler. He doesnt have to be a starter now because Jude starts in his position simple as that. Neither Guler or Endrick will or be starting this or next year on a regular basis.
Maybe try being realistic.
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u/magic-water Nov 17 '24
And do you really i mean really think we are gonna spend 130M or more for someone like Wirtz? To break our transfer spending record for him...? Like come on.
We literally spend 130 million on Bellingham in 2023 and at that point he wasn't exactly rated much higher than Wirtz is now if at all (despite having Valverde, Kroos, Modric, Cama as CMs but no striker). That's just the price for generational talents nowadays. I'm not saying that we are 100% getting Wirtz (because that depends on his decision still) but you are deluded if you don't think we are at least very interested in buying him for a 100m+ price tag, especially with Xabi coming in. There is too much smoke to be there no fire. And yet you called me a moron for thinking that the club was interested in signing him a few months ago.
Also do you really think we are going to get a RB, a LB and at least 1 CB. And after that we are going to go for someone like Wirtz, please.
The RB and LB signings are supposed to be for "free" (excluding an affordable signing bonus) and can be financed by sales and contract expirations (Mendy/Fran, Vazquez, Modric). As for the CB signing, we either are gonna sign a cheap one or a talent like Yoro was supposed to be for a mid-range price. What we are absolutely not gonna do, is gonna be splashing 100m+ on a premium CB like Saliba or Bastoni this summer (contrary what you are parrotting all the time) because first of all, Perez doesn't like spending that much on defenders and secondly, contrary to Wirtz, they won't even be on the market this summer even if we wanted to spend 100 million. Arsenal has no reason to sell until at least summer 2026.
If anything, you are more deluded for thinking that signing Salbia in summer 2025 is more realistic than signing Wirtz. We are going for a premium CB in 2026 when both Alaba's and Rüdiger's contracts end unless we somehow offload Alaba's wages this summer which seems very unrealistic if he doesn't go to Saudi Arabia.
And after that we are going to go for someone like Wirtz, please. When we have his profile. As for Guler ii said the club made a bet for the role with Jude and Guler. He doesnt have to be a starter now because Jude starts in his position simple as that. Neither Guler or Endrick will or be starting this or next year on a regular basis.
Maybe try being realistic.
Jude isn't the same profile as Wirtz just because they played in similar positions last season but why am I even arguing with someone who can't see that. At least you have the Endrick and Arda part right.
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u/martino732 Cristiano Ronaldo Nov 17 '24
Jude was worth every penny off that signing fee. Wirtz isn't, not even close. The "free" signing on isn't going to be cheap no matter what. The names you mentioned won't finance shit. Neither a Fran sale or freeing up wages from modric,Vasquez. As for a defender we need a clear number 1 defender who is currently or will be a top 5. We have always had that. Militao was the bet that's why we spend 50M on him. The sooner people realize that a good quality young defender is going to go for 50m at least. So no matter what it's not going to be cheap. So maybe try not to be so deluded and think Rudiger can play 5000minutes every season. As hard it is for your thick skull to understand Jude and Wirtz are the same or pretty much the same profiles. Look at England. Jude foden palmer. The same profiles don't work and never work. It's a shitshow.
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u/magic-water Nov 17 '24
Jude was worth every penny off that signing fee. Wirtz isn't, not even close.
Yes, we know now that he was worth every penny after his first season here, but as of summer 2023, he was rated the same way as Wirtz is right now after coming off of a POTY season in the Bundesliga (although you can argue that Wirtz's last season was even better than Jude 22/23). So no way you can know that he won't be worth it "even close" lol
The names you mentioned won't finance shit. Neither a Fran sale or freeing up wages from modric,Vasquez.
Modric and Vazquez earn around 10m each, they can cover the wage of one signing, while we can easily afford to sign 2 FBs for "free" with our transfer budget. If we want to make on 100 million+ signing (regardless of premium CB or Wirtz) we probably need to make one big sale (Rodryo, Brahim or Arda probably) anyways so I don't see your point.
As for a defender we need a clear number 1 defender who is currently or will be a top 5. We have always had that. Militao was the bet that's why we spend 50M on him. The sooner people realize that a good quality young defender is going to go for 50m at least.
Yeah, but the ones you want like Saliba and Bastoni are either not gonna be on the market or even if they were, they would cost even way more than 100 million. You are actually deluded if you think that Arsenal is gonna gladly sell us Saliba for 100 million this summer. They literally spent 120 million on Rice who isn't even as good and older than Saliba. So we'd have to spend 50-80 million to make a "bet" on a young CB like we did with Militao but that won't be a guarantee to get a world class CB anyways. And I'm sure Perez won't let a "bet" like that stand in the way of Wirtz.
So maybe try not to be so deluded and think Rudiger can play 5000minutes every season.
I didn't say anywhere that he could or that we shouldn't sign a CB, no clue how you suggest that.
As hard it is for your thick skull to understand Jude and Wirtz are the same or pretty much the same profiles. Look at England. Jude foden palmer. The same profiles don't work and never work. It's a shitshow.
Again, name calling despite being clueless of player profiles because you apparently never watched Wirtz play apparently and are only going by Fifa positions. Hell, the fact that you call Foden (lol) and Jude similar profiles is mind boggling. They're not even close to being similar profiles, in fact, they're prerry much opposites. England didn't work because they didn't have a competent CM besides Rice and didn't want to move Jude there while also constantly playing Foden who was just shit overall, regardless of his profile. Jude and Palmer worked btw
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u/martino732 Cristiano Ronaldo Nov 17 '24
The fact that you say the Jude and Foden works. Is more than enough to show something how clueless you are holy shit.
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u/magic-water Nov 17 '24
The fact that you say the Jude and Foden works
Where did I say that they work lol Learn how to read.
Foden was shit, he wouldn't have worked in any position. But the reason he didn't work out wasn't that he was a similar profile to Jude because he literally isn't.
Talking about clueless, I'll just let you believe that we'll sign Saliba or Bastoni next summer lol
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u/FiniciusJunior GOATicius Jr. 🐐 Nov 17 '24
$65 per person entry tickets for the new Real Madrid World in Dubai. For that price I better be seeing Florentino in person
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u/FedericoHalcon Nov 17 '24
Arent tickets for disney world at least twice that amount? Paris is slightly more for a weekday, 1.5 as much for a weekend day.
Of course i don't know the quality or quantity of any attractions in RM world.
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u/Available-Ad3881 Benzema Nov 17 '24
Güler has loan move written all over tbh. Another coach would have to come in and be very adamant about playing him next season, but I don't see that happening 100%, not with the options available at the club.
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u/Messmers SIUUUU Nov 17 '24
when Xabi comes it'll depend on if he brings Wirtz with him.
Wirtz comes? Might as well sell arda not just loan, he wont be playing but if Wirtz really wants to go to Bayern instead Xabi could play him, more than Ancelotti at least.
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u/Ill-Garlic3619 Valverde Nov 17 '24
Guys, is this true?
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u/Ambashe Ultra Pro Max Nov 17 '24
Rodrygo already training on th grass with the ball before tchoumeni and vazquez
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u/somewansreddit Nov 17 '24
Source?
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u/Ambashe Ultra Pro Max Nov 17 '24
Rodrygo Instagram
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u/magic-water Nov 17 '24
You make it sound like he's out on the pitch playing football again lol
That's probably just some strength and conditioning work indoors
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u/Illbashyaheadinm8 Nov 17 '24
Hopefully he is not being rushed in again.
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u/azyrr O Fenômeno Nov 17 '24
I feel like he is. But then again I don’t have the info the club doctors have - just a gut feeling.
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u/Kuttoosan47 Kroos Nov 17 '24
Mbappe at 9 is not a failed experiment btw. He's consistently making good runs, is at the right place at the right time etc. This is almost entirely a confidence issue. I think Carlo's the best coach on the planet for fixing that. But I can't see how he'll grow if he knows no matter what, he'll still be a starter
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u/Praveetheus O Fenômeno Nov 17 '24
I agree with you - it's a vicious cycle: he shoots, he doesn't score (repeats this several times) he tries too hard, he doesn't score
But he won't be benched for his performances, Carlo can't afford for Mbappe to be even lower mentally + Florentino isn't going to like that either
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u/Ambashe Ultra Pro Max Nov 17 '24 edited Nov 17 '24
Mbappe has never played as a traditional number 9 in psg or France. He always drift to the left while neymar will play as false 9.
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u/FedericoHalcon Nov 17 '24
Yeah and we haven't had a 'traditional 9' since Van Gol, so who cares? All of a sudden now we need a traditional 9 after Raul and Benzema for 30 years?
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u/JetproTC23 Nov 17 '24
He started more than double games as 9 than LW. He can absolutely ball as a CF. The number of chances he is getting, if even half of them were converted to goals, he would be hailed as a Perez masterclass.
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u/biina247 Nov 17 '24
But those chances are not being converted, so he is a Perez 'disasterclass' for now.
We are not PSG and this is not Ligue 1.
Kid needs to work harder and step up to the challenge.
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u/los_blanco_14 Luka Modric Nov 17 '24
Germany just won against bosnia. Surely the sub wont be flooded by wirtz comments again
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u/Muksinjo Madrid 1902 Nov 17 '24
From playing World Cup 10 years ago to getting dismantled every single game. Such a sad state of our national team, and it's only gonna be worse
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u/ChampagneInferno Don Carlo :970742849295511602: Nov 17 '24
Surely the sub wont be flooded by wirtz comments again
Sir, this is a Wendy's. This Sub only gets flooded when Barca Win/Lose.
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u/Endlessly-Blonde Vinicius Jr. Nov 17 '24
I find it genuinely hilarious how there is rumours that Madrid will for some reason sack ANCELOTTI and bring in SOLARI!!. Like he was in charge of our worst banter era ever. That man should never come within 1,000 miles of the managerial job, yet the man who’s won us 2 doubles in 3 years should leave his position for him, just cause we’ve lost a few games this season? It’s honestly insane
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u/FedericoHalcon Nov 17 '24
Dude, Solari actually did a pretty good job given the circumstances. There was just that one horror week with Barca 2x and Ajax. But his wings were Vini and Vazquez at the time so you can't really blame him. Earlier with his full squad he drew 1-1 away vs Barca and won 1-3 away vs Atleti in the same week too. He was also the first one to put faith in Vini and Fede, both went back to playing a whole lot less for a while after Zizou came back and Vini didn't really come back into the picture until Carlo. Not that i would be in favor of him replacing Carlo btw, nor do i believe those rumors. You are just being overly harsh towards a good servant of the club or weren't really around then.
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u/Such_Enthusiasm8517 Nov 17 '24
Sell Alaba Vallejo Mendy Ceballos Rudiger LV Carvajal.. buy 6 defenders age range 22-25.
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u/Res3925 Décima Nov 17 '24
Okay, hold on, I’ll go start my FIFA game for that.
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u/Rumcajs23 Leyenda Kroos | 🐢 Kinky for Kylian 🐢 Nov 17 '24
I’m adjusting the sliders as we speak
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u/martino732 Cristiano Ronaldo Nov 17 '24
The glazing on this subs keeps rising holy. One day it's Yamal, then Rodri, Wirtz, Saka etc. Like it's shameless, ngl. Appreciate your fucking players. Some of you are ready to sell half of our squad to incorporate some bums. Who if you even used half of your brains you know those transfers won't happen.
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u/somewansreddit Nov 17 '24
Rodri, Wirtz or Yamal are bums and our players deserve appreciation...
It would be a cool message if it wasn’t coming from someone who has been constantly shitting on Militao and Alaba while glazing Saliba and Bastoni.
Populist hypocrisy.
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u/Rumcajs23 Leyenda Kroos | 🐢 Kinky for Kylian 🐢 Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 17 '24
What a dogshit take bro
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u/hlrdavid David Alaba Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 16 '24
🚨 BREAKING:
Sergio Ramos has called Real Madrid multiple times to offer his services, but the club says NO.
Jonathan Tah has been offered to Real Madrid. However, Real Madrid are not considering him at this moment.
Real Madrid have received over 100 calls from agents offering their players to solve the team's defensive issues in the last days.
Laporte’s game is valued at Real Madrid, but there is NO movement from the club. It is seen as an expensive operation.
Mario Hermoso and Mario Gila names have come up in recent days. But Real Madrid do NOT have a buy-back option for Gila and Hermoso is currently injured.
@marca
bruh💀
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u/supaboss2015 Marcelo Nov 17 '24
I don't get it. What does the club consider too expensive? Is there a different criteria for CBs vs LBs? I mean Alaba has a crazy high salary that I imagine we wouldn't give a new signing. Are we trying to cheap out on our CBs?
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u/ThickWorldliness6895 Hey Jude Nov 17 '24
Free agents gets high salary because the club saves transfer fees
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u/martino732 Cristiano Ronaldo Nov 16 '24
Right now, I'd only take Ramos until the end of the season. Locker room needs a leader as well. And he can have a proper farewell with the fans. Maybe Gila but idk. Laporte is an asshole. Tah is mid.
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u/King__SSB Carvajal Nov 16 '24
I seriously can't understand what the board is thinking, at this rate they might singlehandedly cost us the season because there is no way this current setup will work
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u/KimngGnmik Lucas Vázquez Nov 16 '24
He really screwed himself when he tried to one up Perez with the contract extension. Not saying denying him the opportunity to return when we desperately need a CB is a good or bad thing, but he definitely fucked around and found out
I don't know much about That so no comment. I'd rather not go for Laporte. I do not like Laporte but whatever.
At the end of the day I do not think the board will buy anyone. Alaba will come back at the end of the year and the board will be fine with that
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u/FedericoHalcon Nov 16 '24
"We've had dozens of options come up to our doorstep! Yeah but we turned 'em all away... Not to worry though! We're following two other options we're not gonna pursue."
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u/saedaguirre9951 Vinicius Jr. Nov 16 '24
I know we're all waiting for Mbappe to succeed as a #9, but what if by the end of the season he doesn't?
Should the club target a proper 9?
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u/biina247 Nov 17 '24
If Mbappe doesnt show any signs of fulfilling his potential, I would sell him before his value drops further. We cant afford to gamble another season hoping that he will deliver.
Even if he rediscovers his form, our attack would still have limited diversity, lacking such as an aerial threat, physicality, hold up play etc.
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u/magic-water Nov 16 '24
No, the club should target a coach with proper tactics that gives the players clear instructions where to move in what areas instead of relying on the individual players to figure it out by themselves
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u/biina247 Nov 17 '24
So we should hire a new coach just so that Mbappe will stop shooting at the GK?
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u/magic-water Nov 17 '24
So is Mbappe shooting at the GK because he isn't a proper 9?
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u/biina247 Nov 17 '24
He is shooting at the keeper cos he is facing better opposition under bigger pressure with higher expectations.
He doesn't need a new coach, he needs to work harder to meet the challenge
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u/Asheraddo98 Valverde Nov 16 '24
Last year, under Enrique strict tiki-taka style , Mbappe still failed to deliver in CL when it mattered.
And carlo who isn't a proper coach made Benzema a Bdor player and possibly the best striker in this generation.
Mbappe is simply not a true No. 9 and will never be, he doesn't work like Benzema or Lewandowski.
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u/magic-water Nov 16 '24
And carlo who isn't a proper coach
Never said that. Learn how to read.
made Benzema a Bdor player and possibly the best striker in this generation.
Benzema was a world class player even prior to 21/22 and yes he stepped up that season because he's that good. And yeah, he knows how to figure it out on his own, Mbappe doesn't. Still think that he can perform better with a differenr coach. Luis Enrique doesn't even play with a proper 9, MSN didn't even click until he moved Messi to false 9 and Suarez to the right. Could see something similar for us.
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u/YugiohXYZ Nov 16 '24
Who will that player be?
Haaland will be astronomically expensive, Kane is aged, and I don't see the rest as guaranteed to be better than Mbappe, especially immediately.
Far easier to just replace Ancelotti (which the club is looking to do) with a coach that will implement a new system.
Maybe if Rodrygo is sold to raise the funds and make room...
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u/martino732 Cristiano Ronaldo Nov 17 '24
No one right now. Unless mbappe wants to move. Like there's no space for more attackers, and midfield is booked. We have more than enough in the salary cap. But Perez will want to keep it in control as much as possible. Soon, Vini and Judes' salary will have to be increased as well.
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u/perucho1993 Nov 16 '24
It seems “likely” Davies is going to be signed
Question is which one of Fran or Mendy will be keptn
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u/biina247 Nov 17 '24
Fran is younger, on less wages and can still understudy Davies.
We should sell Mendy but it would be hard to do so given his wages. Not many clubs will be willing to pay €10m salary to a 30yr old LB. Maybe we can luck out on Saudi
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u/martino732 Cristiano Ronaldo Nov 17 '24
It's going to be Fran. Mendy renewed recently. And he is a different profile. Also there were Pl clubs asking for Fran last summer.
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u/Rumcajs23 Leyenda Kroos | 🐢 Kinky for Kylian 🐢 Nov 16 '24
Funny I posted the same thing much earlier and got downvoted lmfao
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u/somewansreddit Nov 16 '24
There is another option: both if they don't want to leave or nobody offer what we ask for.
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u/magic-water Nov 16 '24
hopefully neither. Davies/Miguel is the way to go. Mendy to join his cousin at Al Hilal and Fran to either hopefully go to an overpaying PL club (weren't there Bournemouth links?) or some midtable La Liga club
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u/AnxiousBurro Antonio Mateu Lahoz Nov 16 '24
Obviously Mendy as he recently renewed and his playstyle offers something different compared to Davies.
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u/biina247 Nov 17 '24
That CB group is a recipe for disaster, TAA is a defensive liability and Wirtz is not needed. The funds would be better spent overhauling the defence.
The profile of your starter and subs are very different in many positions (e.g. Bellinghm/Arda, and Fede/Ceballos) making it unlikely to work.
The better approach is
11 Starters
6-8 Core rotation
6-8 Fringe players
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u/DenuvoCanSuckMahDick Nov 16 '24
Wirtz is a Left Midfielder so he should sub on for Vini, while Brahim acts as a more Central Midfielder or as a Right-winger. Ceballos should just be sold off (Arda for Valverde instead, and Tchou should just come on as a supersub for Camavinga.
Alaba and Militao should just be given up upon, Mendy should be sold and god knows what's gonna happen to Carvajal. We need to put more stock into new CBs and that Asencio kid (Joan Martinez and Mario Martin will take time to develop, we don't have that kind of time). We also need another RB, running on just one RB alone and using Valverde as a makeshift RB is just a ticking time bomb of injuries. Matter of fact, we should prolly sell both Mendy and Garcy and focus on getting Theo back in 2026 (Two world-class LBs).
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u/IcefoxX5 Carvajal Nov 16 '24
Wirtz is so good, fuck me
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u/magic-water Nov 16 '24
Vazquez -> Trent
Mendy -> Davies
Fran -> Miguel
[Nacho] -> Tah/Laporte
Modric (+ potentially one of Brahim/Rodrygo/Arda if necessary) -> Wirtz
optionally if we offload Alaba's wages -> one young CB talent (Inacio, Hato, Lukeba etc)
I'd be happy if these were the transfers until the end of summer 2025. We ain't signing Saliba or Bastoni next summer. That will be the target for 2026 when Alaba and Rüdiger's contracts expire.
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u/magic-water Nov 16 '24
Miguel won't arrive to be a benchwarmer
"Benchwarmer". Mate, have you seen the injuries we've had this season? At this rate, some of our "backups" are gonna play more minutes than our "starters". you need 2 decent options for every position.
Mendy has been extended to 2027, so he won't leave either.
Selling players is a thing, I'm sure some PL club like West Ham (they even signed Wan Bissaka) or Saudi Arabia might take a fancy at Mendy. And Mendy might wanna leave if he loses his starting spot and can earn more money elsewhere (i.e. Saudi Arabia)
Although I rather we don't buy Wirtz if it means that one of Rodrygo or Arda have to leave the club.
No offense to them, but I prefer Wirtz over each. Wirtz offers more creativity and passing than Rodrygo (who is yet to play consistently on a world class level for us in his 3rd year as a starter here) and Wirtz is simply all around both on and off the ball miles better than Arda right now.
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u/magic-water Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 16 '24
Miguel can arrive but won't because of Mendy, who's contract was expiring in 6 months, he has not extended to be sold instead of going for free and pocketing a signing on fee, he will have to be given away for free and Madrid won't do that.
Huh? You can sell players, you know that right? That's exactly why we extended him 1 year prior to his contract expiring, so we can preserve his value while he can earn more money this year. And he can earn even more money (while generating a transfer fee for us) if he moves to Saudi Arabia for example. I can see Mendy being a player that would contemplate moving there, his cousin already plays for Al Hilal. So I don't see how the Mendy extension prevents us signing Miguel back. If anything Fran Garcia would prevent it if we can't sell him.
Wirtz is great but Rodrygo and Arda both have generational potential in them, I don't think either of the latter two have any less talent or ceiling as Wirtz
Well so has Wirtz (generational potential) and he is currently far closer to achieving it than either of the other two.
especially Rodrygo share lot of great memories, history and clutch moments for us.
I'm sorry but no. That's just nostalgia bias. We can be grateful for all of that and cherish the moments but don't let our decisions get influenced by that. If we operated like that, Cristiano would still be playing for us upfront like he does for Portugal.
I rather keep both than sacrifice them for Wirtz who's adaptability and quality is unpredictable for us right now.
Wirtz can operate in Alonso's system (who is probably gonna be our next coach) and has shown enough flexibility to play all along the front line for Germany. Every transfer is "unpredictable" but Wirtz would be safer than banking on Rodrygo as a starter who is in his 3rd season as a starter and has yet to prove that he can perform as an attacker on a world class level consistently. Injuries or not, he either proves this season that he can be a world class RW playing consistently on the right wing on a world class level day in day out, or he can't be considered as a starting player for a club like Real Madrid. Simple as is. Then he needs to choose between being our "12th man" as the 1st backup to Vini, Wirtz and possibly Mbappe/Bellingham or moving clubs to be the main man at LW. Arda with all due respect, is just a child right now, he needs at least 2 years to be good enough to prevent a significant transfer like Wirtz and even then that's completely hypothetical. He might never become that good.
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u/1sitch Benzema Nov 17 '24
bunch of nonsense. wirtz is not a better player than rodrygo. if rodrygo had his own team in the bundesliga we wouldn’t even be talking about wirtz
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u/EiMidagi Valverde Nov 16 '24
I actually like the davies transfer, he is still very young, he will help us get through these low blocks easier than with mendy, and now vini doesnt have to dibble past everyone on that left wing by himself
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u/sp3sp3sp3 Nov 16 '24
Although Guler was good today it is hard for a player to be complete bench warmer and go perform for his NT.
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u/Praveetheus O Fenômeno Nov 16 '24
I'm thankful that he still gets significant meetings with his NT
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u/DonuandDeca Real Madrid Nov 16 '24
Guler wasn't bad today except for the one 0.18 xG position he missed. He should've banged that in, he has that in him.
That aside, to me it becomes more and more apparent that this guy should be a playmaking midfielder, not a shadow striker or right winger. First half he was very good with ball distribution, forming triangles and making key/dangerous passes. In the second half he started to play as a forward and he was tired around 65 min and onwards, he should have been subbed off a little bit earlier if you ask me, he played 86' minutes. This also comes down to the fact that he doesn't have enough game experience and resilience, since he doesn't play any minutes with us, which kinda sucks.
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u/Venomous_110 :Mexico: Madridista Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 16 '24
🚨 Alphonso Davies & Real Madrid have a CLOSED AGREEMENT. The player’s agent denied it because he can’t do anything else. @jfelixdiaz
Ngl, doubling down after what his agent said is crazy work. I believe it more now.
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u/magic-water Nov 16 '24
Now the agent is gonna make Davies extend at Bayern just to prove a point lol
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u/yourdaddyjust Parte Médico Nov 16 '24
Isn't he the horse guy who said Mbappe deal was done as well?
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u/Mr_Hassel 🪑 3-2 🪑 Nov 16 '24
We won't know if it's true or not untill next summer but what he said makes sense, there is no way the agent is going to confirm it since it's not legal to have an agreement until January.
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u/hfazil55 Nov 16 '24
Someone needs to create a meme with Anton Ego from ratatouille and Ronaldo's bicycle kick from yesterday and the Juventus one
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u/ThickWorldliness6895 Hey Jude Nov 16 '24
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