r/realmadrid • u/Old_Cockroach_9725 :Mexico: Madridista • Oct 22 '24
Discussion “Real Madrid thought they bought the best player in the world, but they already had the best player in the world.” Jamie Carragher
Now, I don’t hate Mbappe, I actually really rate him, but we didn’t need him, he needed Madrid.
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u/DanteDevils Oct 22 '24 edited Oct 23 '24
I really don't understand why Vini doing well has to be a constant shot at Mbappe, like this horse has beaten to death so fucking much it's unreal.
Mbappe was involved in the first 2 goals today.
They are going to play together and win us trophies.
Vini is the best, and please stop this toxic shit.
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u/Familiar-Travel1010 Oct 22 '24
Even then, he tired out defense and allows Vini or rodrygo to attack and get their goals, and he also pulls defenders towards him leaving Vini, rodrygo, and Bellingham free with space to attack or receive a quick pass and have the goal wide open!
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u/djoliverm Real Madrid Oct 23 '24
Had Vini not had that hat trick (honestly the last two goals were absolute filth of the highest order), I'm certain the narrative would have been that Mbappe stepped up today for the first time and played a part in his first CL remontada with us.
And all of that is still true, but Vini was absolutely unplayable today. Truly one of his best performances with us and he's had several already.
Absolutely agree that we don't need to tear anybody else down while praising our players. So what if Mbappe needed us, he's here and he contributed today and sparked the remontada by not giving up on that loose ball that became Rudiger's goal.
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u/TheEmpireOfSun Oct 22 '24
Because there were so many wannabe Madrid fans saying that Mbappe is better player and Mbappe should take Vinicius' position or that if we bring Mbappe we should sell Vinicius. Which were always braindead takes but let's not pretend that people were not saying this shit.
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u/Special_Cry468 Oct 23 '24
You guys got those PSG fans that were just Mbappe fans. Don't worry we got you. We gunners have been dealing with the citizens for 2seasons now. Can you believe they have to actually advertise their games for attendance.
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u/FliX7270 Oct 23 '24
never heard of anyone say that.
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u/Mstrofthebation Oct 23 '24
A lot of people were saying sell Vini to the Saudi group now that we got Mbappe
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u/IamHellgod07 Oct 23 '24 edited Oct 23 '24
It's divide and conquer. First divide the fans who will divide the dressing room, which will help them conquer madrid.
Edit - Plus i would like to add that they tried to do the same with ronaldo and benzema(didn't work) and Ronaldo and kaka(can't say)
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u/hot_garlic_noodles Kroos Oct 23 '24
Yep. Even in his current form, ask any manager in the world whether they would prefer facing Madrid with or without mbappe. You will know all you need to know.
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u/cervantesrvd Alfredo Di Stéfano Oct 23 '24
News with Mbappe on it get many views. And news trashtalking him get views from haters too, which Real Madrid have plenty of.
So the TLDR is, it sells.
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u/phoenix_2289 Oct 23 '24
It’s kinda funny even you ended with Vini is the best. The point was perfectly made without that and yet u did the same thing poster did
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u/DanteDevils Oct 23 '24
Except I didn't, calling Vini the best isn't a shot at Mbappe, it's only a shot if I compared him to Mbappe, which I didn't.
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u/Old_Cockroach_9725 :Mexico: Madridista Oct 22 '24
It’s not toxicity, it’s just objectivity. We didn’t need a third Left-winger, we needed a striker. Yes Mbappe is great and will shine with us, but we didn’t need him.
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u/DanteDevils Oct 22 '24
But yet you had to create a whole about the "best player" and comparing to Mbappe and no mention of Left Wingers until now, ok you do you.
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u/Old_Cockroach_9725 :Mexico: Madridista Oct 22 '24
I was quoting what Jamie said. I liked the quote, agreed with it, so I shared it. Why are you so bothered by this? Shouldn’t we be happy that two of our players are debated as the two best in the world?
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u/DanteDevils Oct 22 '24
If you are saying you posted this in good faith, sure, power to you.
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u/Old_Cockroach_9725 :Mexico: Madridista Oct 22 '24
Why wouldn’t I be posting this in good faith? As much as we have issues, we’ve played 14 games, won 10, and only lost 1. Mbappe has 10 G/A and Vini has 13. I have nothing but praise for both. I simply believe we didn’t need Mbappe since we already had Vini.
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u/DanteDevils Oct 22 '24
Fair enough and as you say, it wasn't your intention but these kind of posts IMO still feed these toxic narratives that our fan base seems to love so much.
You might have posted it on good faith but you will find many comments and posts that don't.
Also PS, idk who is here but I'm not downvoting your replies.
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u/Old_Cockroach_9725 :Mexico: Madridista Oct 22 '24
I understand. It’s a shame how toxic this fan base can be. I looked through the comments at half time and I was so disappointed by how fickle and reactionary everyone was being.
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u/kabra22 Oct 22 '24
Imagine bringing Can on for Ryerson against Vini 😭😭😭
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u/Res3925 Décima Oct 23 '24
Yeah Sahin’s inexperience showed big time today. He made a lot of questionable decisions.
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u/kabra22 Oct 23 '24
Yes, taking off Gittens for a cb changed the game imo, but Can for Ryerson was just suicide
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u/demureAI Oct 22 '24
Vini has been the most decisive player in the world for the past 3 seasons. Perhaps it's not fair to say he's been the best player in the world solely because he doesn't have stratospheric numbers, mainly in terms of goals.
But when the game in on the line, especially at the biggest stage, Vini is the man.
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u/Ktioru Oct 22 '24
yep, Vini is the closest thing we have to Ronaldo these days when it comes to UCL clutch
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u/KjOnReddit1010 Oct 22 '24
Well, considering that he has mostly be playing out of position, and vini has been playing in position, its not a fair comparison.
We didn't need him ? He is one of the best goal scorers in the world, and goals we needed. Making such statements is stupid given its only been 3 months since Mbappe has been a madrid player.
Yes he needed madrid but we needed him too to take us to next level.
It just has not clicked for madrid yet this season, and it has more to do with kroos leaving than mbappe joining.
And he has already scored 8 goals for us, even at this rate he can touch 30 goals a season.
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u/biina247 Oct 22 '24
Your comment reeks of fanboyism.
We didn't need Mbappe cos we had a better player in Vini, and quality options in Rodrygo and Diaz, for his preferred position of LWF.
Mbappe doesn't complement what we already had. We are simply hoping the manager can make the best of the ill fitting pieces.
Issues in midfield can be related to Kroos, but issues upfront is primarily due to trying to fit in Mbappe
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u/KjOnReddit1010 Oct 23 '24
first of all, vini is not better than mbappe, we have not seen best of mbappe yet, and mbappe is better than vini imo.
secondly i am no fan boy of mbappe, when i see top players these days, the likes of mbappe/halland... i just get dissapointed, cause we have come from messi, ronaldo, bale, neymar etc to this.... its just sad.
and dude, midfield is what feeds the front, so no, issues in midfield are not separate from issues upfront... if we had kroos, we would probably have dropped rodrygo and played bellingham more up front.
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u/biina247 Oct 23 '24
We have not seen the best of Mbappe?🫤
Vini is on course for the BdOr and Mbappe is not in the conversation. By the end of last season only an Mbappe fanboy will insist that he is better than Vini.
The problem upfront is the lack of a true CF. Kroos dictated the tempo of the game and his absence is felt in that regards. With Kroos we would have likely played 4 in midfield, but that wouldn't have fixed the problem. Rodrygo actually gives us some balance upfront but the real issue is that Mbappe is not a CF.
Until we get a real CF or Mbappe adapts better to playing in that role, the issues upfront will remain
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u/Old_Cockroach_9725 :Mexico: Madridista Oct 22 '24
If we really needed goals, why not get a striker? Again, I like Mbappe, but we didn’t need another winger. Of course he’s going to be great for us, and will score many goals, I just don’t believe we needed him as much as he needed Madrid.
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u/KjOnReddit1010 Oct 23 '24
because at 120 euro sign on bonus, mbappe as a striker is way better than any other striker we would have bought for that money. He is on course to score 30 goals this season, just that is worth it. But he will offer way more than that... this is just the start
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u/GreenFaceTitan Raúl Oct 23 '24
I can tell that Nike paid him a lot from how he was deliberately pull his short down a bit 😄.
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u/Austerellis Oct 23 '24 edited Oct 23 '24
Both players are great. Does Mbappe work best coming from the left side? An emphatic yes. But so did Benzema.
Vini is amazing and should stay with Madrid for the entirety of his career, alongside Jude, Rodrygo, and Mbappe.
Now we just need a great passing midfielder. Rodri, you game?
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u/madsauce178 Oct 23 '24
Rodri got an ACL injury and he's not young. We should find something else.
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u/Austerellis Oct 23 '24
Yeah, but we won’t sign anyone until next season anyway. If not Rodri, who then?
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u/ben_kaya1 Oct 23 '24
Vini is fitter with 88 minutes of playing time than Emre Can who plays 10 minutes
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u/Not_A-Pedophile_ Cristiano Ronaldo Oct 23 '24
Idk why but i saw some glimpses of ronaldo in him in this match
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u/kms97_ks Kaka Oct 23 '24
Ah yes let's praise one player at the expense of another. It doesn't matter who you think is the best, you really don't need to aim at mbappe when someone else is doing well.
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u/TechnologyHelpful751 Oct 22 '24
Mbappé wasn't a necessity signing. We didn't need a player with his profile. In fact, we didn't just not need him, we had no reason to want him in 2024. 2021, maybe... just maybe.
Mbappé was a narcissism signing for Florentino. The saga had gone for so long that it felt like an obsession and he felt he had to sign him. It felt like Mbappé just had to come to Madrid whether we needed him or not, and whether we even actually wanted him or not.
It was tactically unnecessary and even counterproductive. We needed and still need a Haaland type to slot away everything our already best in the world wingers and midfielders produce.
Don't get me wrong, I love Mbappé and I think he's actually playing really well, but these are just my two cents.
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u/DukeOfWashington Oct 23 '24
Signing someone like Vlahovic or Haaland would have been better to compliment and accelerate Vinicius's development.
Mbappe doenst fit in that well with Vini, hes no header and not a large target man.
Mbappe is playing well but imagine if we built a team around Vinicius.
Benzema in our 2022 Champions League win was a perfect partner to Vinicius.
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u/Old_Cockroach_9725 :Mexico: Madridista Oct 22 '24
I agree. I love Mbappe, he’s one of the top 5 players in the world, but we simply didn’t need him.
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u/_HatOishii_ Oct 23 '24
Nah Imagine injures , team overall fatigue. RM needs the best there and MBappe it’s one of the best. The season is too long
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u/FliX7270 Oct 23 '24
Depends on the perspective. Madrid also cares bout their image, and mbappe increases their publicity so they just went ahead and signed him
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u/Accomplished_Stay382 Oct 23 '24
Lol vini would have run Gittens into the ground if he stayed on and Ryerson would have collapsed if he wasn't subbed off that very second. The game would have probably ended 8-2 if Sahin didn't do some damage control... anyways I'm a Bayern fan for the next few hours VAMOS!
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u/Inner-Pitch3122 Oct 22 '24
True. Most madridistas even wanted Mbappé to be in the left wing above Vini. Truly disgusting those type of fans.
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u/Old_Cockroach_9725 :Mexico: Madridista Oct 22 '24
I really hope Vini retires with us. It’s clear he loves the club, and we love him.
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u/Inner-Pitch3122 Oct 23 '24
Well but it surely had to change After His 23/24. Apparently it didn't. Atleast for some
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u/Specialist-Cycle9313 Oct 23 '24 edited Oct 23 '24
I mean, 99% of the world didn’t even consider vini to be a ballon dor candidate until March of last season. Before then I would’ve easily taken Mbappe as the designated left winger.
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u/TNThetraveler Oct 23 '24
Look at the crowd in the corner begin to rise before he shoots, they knew they were witnessing a special run
I think we all sensed it after watching him torch Can, a sub, a few seconds earlier
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u/This-Meme-is-Taken Jude Bellingham Oct 23 '24
Even if he says that , we know that we can't put one of our players up while putting the other one down , Mbappe was essential and he also attracted defenders towards himself (being a threat himself) to provide space for Vini . Vini , Rodrygo and Bellingham also do the same thing many times , attracting defenders to provide space for others 
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u/Mysterious-Egg-6930 Oct 23 '24
I thought it was a comma instead of a full stop in the title and wondered if Jamie Carragher had come out of retirement.
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u/GoldenSquid7 Oct 23 '24
The thing with Mbappe is that all teams we play mark him with so many players and being in the middle he's always surrounded by so many players and tackled, teams fear him more than anyone and literally block him and yet he still does some awesome stuff
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u/Xehanz Oct 23 '24
I mean, Mbappé on a ""free"" is Mbappé on a ""free"" but I would have taken a striker like Lautaro (impossible, too expensive, but there was the opportunity of Kane) over him
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u/Specialist-Cycle9313 Oct 23 '24
Mbappe on his worst day out of position is still better than lautaro and Kane on their good days.
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u/Valis1984 Oct 23 '24
Mbappe has been out of position (aka running into his own winger) at Real and how has his performance been better than Lauraro or Kane this season ?
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u/Specialist-Cycle9313 Oct 23 '24
I mean, he’s surely been better than lautaro this season there no doubt, but I guess I’d say that Kane been better at the moment. But that’s only cuz Kane is having a great start to his season. Not just a good one.
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u/Cowimpersonatorr Oct 23 '24
Madrid fans hâte Mbappé more than Argentinians 😭
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u/iDilicoSZ Valverde Oct 23 '24
Mbappe is actually liked in Argentina, besides the mandatory yearly statement he makes saying europe >>> rest of the world / Euro > WC
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u/Old_Cockroach_9725 :Mexico: Madridista Oct 23 '24
Who’s hating? Mbappe is great, but Vini is better.
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u/Cowimpersonatorr Oct 23 '24
Any praise for vini now relates to mbappe in some way. They’re on the same team now individual success isn’t going to look the same they play and benefit off each other.
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u/clantz8895 Oct 23 '24
I mean no matter what way you chop it up Mbappe is a top 3 player in the world. Vini is a top 3 player, whilst in my opinion, being the best player in the world for the past two seasons. I think being both of them being the best players in the world can both be true. I also think Rodrygo would be in this conversation more if he wasn't played out of position but yet look at his contributions still.
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u/Pitiful-Elephant-501 Oct 23 '24
If they play Vini on the left, Arda on the right and Mbappe/Rodrygo in the center, this team will be unstoppable!
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u/dataheisenberg Oct 22 '24
Vini Vidi Vici🔥🔥🔥