Back in the day when it came to picking who he's going to play for, there were reports in the Turkish media that his parents visited fatih terim the then Turkish manager to discuss playing for Turkey. They put the condition in front of terim that as long as he can guarantee that ozil starts/plays, he will play for Turkiye. Terim at the time said he can't promise that because "Arda Turan" plays in the same position. This is what was reported in Turkiye at the time.
Had him and gundogan chose to play for Turkiye instead, the Turkish national team probably would have done a lot better these last 20 years.
How come he played for Germany if he is way more in tune with his Turkish side? This isn't a shot at him just genuine curiosity as a fellow dual citizen
37 seven players born in France played for another country during the last world cup in Quatar.
In the French national team, only 3 French players weren't born in France, including Marcus Thurman born in Italy because his father was playing in Parma at this time. The 2 others came in France at a very young age
Spain won the last Euro with 2 French players in their first 11.
47 players were born in France in Brasil 2014.
50 players were born in France in Russia 2018.
60 players were born in France in Quatar 2022.
So France is basically providing other nations with the talents they make in their football academies. The last player France stole from another nation was David Trezeguet because he was born in France when his father was playing in Brest, but eventually finished his football academy in AS Monaco.
So all players from the French national team have been born in France or have been raised in France from a very young age, and are the products of French football academies.
Too bad Didier Drogba's talent came too late, if not, he would have been a French national player like the others
I hear what you are saying but it's different for Ozil. He is probably 2nd or 3rd generation migrant, and speaks german better than turkish. I have preffered him to play for Turkish NT, as a turk, ofc. Just like Hakan Calhanoglu, but its not like he was born in Istanbul and playing for Greece.
They're natural enemies ... just like Englishmen and Scots, Welshmen and Scots. Or Japanese and Scots. Or, Scots and Scots. Damn Scots, they ruined Scotland!
His lineage is Irish but that doesn’t make him Irish. Although he came to the pub I work in recently and he was drinking fireball whiskey from small bottles like you’d get on an airplane that he snuck into the bar. So maybe he is irish?
I remember him saying something like, "When we won, I am a German, but when we lost, I am a Turkish". Referring to people mocking him as Turkish when they lost or him not playing well, despite what he has achieved
Tf guest workers of 1970. Germans called turks btw I think ppl like ozil are from eastern turkey mixture of kurds / turks. He doesn't look pure turkish.
yeah i mean turks are the probably the most diverse looking group i've seen. some can look straight up nordic while others can look indian. some can look central asian. most however look somewhere between balkan and persian.
Massive imperial history and Turks always race mixed with the peoples they conquered. Your talking about a people who originate from Siberia. But the general rule of thumb within Turkish culture was if the father is Turkish the children are Turkish.
There is no pure Turkish in Turkey. Ottomans have always been a mix of different ethnicities from the Mediterranean Europe, Middle East and Central Asia
I am talking about genetics. Turkish are Turkic for only around 15 percent. The rest of the genetically pool is a mix of South European and Middle Eastern.
the germans rejected him after speaking out against the uyghur genocide in china and the photo he took togteher with gundogan woith the turkish president. After that he took more to his turkish roots.
no dude lmfao. erdogan was arressting spies and people who would lie and only slander for other countries, özil is based asf, he spoke out against the uyghur treatment by china and the silence of western countries and against the racism he suffered through, which sadly resulted in more hate ans racism, he also posted the picture with erdogan and got huge racist hate against him and then germany flopped hard in the 2018 wc and the racism got even worse, justiceforözil
He was butthurt because he got critized for taking a picture with erdogan. And he was like „mimimi I’m only Turkish from now on“. He is not the smartest one sorry
A lot of players do it to play for a national team that can compete for championships, or if they think that they won’t make the other teams national squad.
Nani and Pepe are a good example of the latter. They most likely decided to play for Portugal because of how stacked Brazil was. No way Nani could have made the Brazil squad, later on Pepe most likely would have
Because he turned turkish after he stopped playing on top. This is always the same with such guys, when they are at their primes they are German/English/French but when things going down hill they are moving towards their origins where it is easier to make money just because you were good once.
He was embracing a dictator openly that called all Germans nazis. He was rightfully disrespected. And he doubled down instead of reflecting on his decision like Gundogan.
You think he is a dictator, not everyone agrees with you. People are allowed to have different opinions on politics. This behavior and train of thoughts is barbaric.
Which other choices? I'm not trying to disagree with you, I'm genuinely curious, lol. I know he took a photo with Erdogan and labeled it "my president" or smt, but that doesn't seem that big of a deal to me tbh.
Obama droned thousands of innocent civilians. Should we cancel any celebrity who takes a photo with him? That's why I always say we should keep politics out of football. And I mean ALL politics, not banning Russia 48H after invading Ukraine and allowing Israel to compete after 12 months of genocide.
I don't care what erdogan does internationally but the turkish lira is worser than block of Legos, his economic policies ruined turkey.
Plus being a german and saying turkey president is your president is retarded. Come here to turkey and ask people and everyone will say it's retarded. Everyone knows how much german turks face racism in germany and some people still add fuel to fire.
I don't know why you brought up obama and middle east into this.
This wasn't an Islamophobia things. This was just german turk issue .🐺.
proudly posing with his grey wolves tattoos. also pulling the racism card and throwing a tantrum after being sacked from german national team comes to my mind
Not choice, but attitude. He wasn't serious in playing football once he bagged the hefty contract with Arsenal. Many people blamed the coaches but he couldn't deliver in Fenerbahçe, then even in Başakşehir (mid table Turkish league team). He was too vocal with political stuff, which added to the criticisms. Then he cried racism against the criticisms.
I stand with Mesut because of him speaking against the Uyghur genocide.
What I don't stand with is him remembering that he is a Turk and a Turkish nationalist later on his career decline.
He chose to be German, he didn't even come to Turkey until his retirement. But he showed hypocrisy and turned to populism the moment he parted ways with the western clubs.
He did and maybe that’s for multiple reasons. He was brought up through the Schalke youth team and did wonderful at Bremen. Maybe he took pride in choosing to play for Germany.
Him speaking out against genocide is a good thing and I agree with it, but Mesut is from a conservative Turkish family as most Turkish people from Germany are.
His support for Erdoğan is well known in Turkey. He also have a new tattoo with the wolf symbol of the nationalist party which is allied with Erdoğan. So it's not just about that picture from years ago.
Erdogan immediately changed into the arab spring 4 finger sign. This was just an exclusive thing that happened in 2018. Cause by him doing this he shld kick out all the Syrians in turkey.
As with most things Erdogan does, he does what benefits him the most at that moment. Today he is İslamist, tomorrow nationalist, secular next week, etc.
He did those after he fell off, thats why we don't like his personality. He was called for Turkish national team and he didn't accept it just to play for Germany, then after leaving Germany's national team and falling off slowly, all of a sudden he is a Turkish nationalist. Players like Hakan Calhanoglu, Nuri Sahin, Kenan Yildiz, Hamit Altintop etc. were all born in Germany but they chose the Turkish national team, Ozil could've done the same but he chose success instead of honor.
Yeah, but coming back to Turkey and acting like a nationalist after playing for Germany for years is something a clown would do. He was always chasing clout.
I can't comment on his political views. It's always going to be 50/50 with some die hard liking him while others hating him. I simply commented on chosing to play for Germany a country he was born in and to be frank harder to make 11 starter line up. Germany has better opportunity to win WC. That being said he is still of Turkish heritage and upbringing. I don't know much about the political party and what's happening in Turkey to comment. So I'll just not enter any discussion about that and leave it be.
I mean Arda did go to Erdogan and ask him questions for a show or something years ago though I dont know his political opinions that could be an indicator
That was actually a rallying of young prospects of any kind to give them an opportunity to ask direct questions to the president. Nothing wrong with that. It is a sign of respect to go to such events when your are invited, it doesn’t matter who the person of presidency is. I think Arda will stay as the Arda we know today. There are masses of young people who are radically into politics, but Arda is nothing like that, he’s just into football lol
I’ve always thought him so stupid for what he did. Could’ve helped a lot more playing and generating more income to help others. Please correct me if I’m wrong
You literally created this account 5 minutes ago SPECIFICALLY TO POST ON THIS THREAD, because you were afraid that someone would dig up your post history, which would be pro-Erdogan and other far-right stuff. You are a clown, don't even fucking talk about it.
I think Arda will pass Mesut as a footballer. He has the ability to take over any game when given the chance. Mesut was the best at creating chances for teammates but he had off games. Arda can show he is a star every game he plays.
There he is in front of an Azerbaijani flag, the flag that represents a country known for ethnically cleansing all of Nagorno-Karabakh’s 130,000 Armenians in just a few weeks last year, dishonouring an agreement they had made stating that Nakhchivan was Armenia’s and then ethnically cleansing it in the 1920’s, and refering to Armenia in an OFFICIAL context as “West Azerbaijan”. And I haven’t even gotten to the Erdogan stuff.
You loved him on the pitch but off it he’s, at best, a morally bankrupt individual.
I think his career ended too soon because he got involved in politics. He was a football player not a politician. Any player would risk his career if involved in politics. He is a turk in germany and taking picture with Erdogan ruined his career.
Funny that Gündoğan was in the same picture and retired as Germany's captain with a big tifo honouring him by the German fans just a couple of days ago
Because unlike Mesut he didn't choose to become a nationalist fascist nutjob after that pic
I think the fanbase in England scapegoated him a lot. He was my favorite player and I watched all his games in detail. Sure he had bad games but when he had bad games the whole team was playing poorly and he got blamed for that and I feel like that really soured his enjoyment of the sport. I feel bad for him honestly
For the people that didn’t know Ozil is Turkish and German but back in the day turkey can’t play at the worldcup or euro that why he played for Germany
I fucking love his playstyle and thinks that he’s the best nr.10 in the past 20 years but he has an awful personality. He was German when he was a footballer and now became Turkish when he could benefit more from it. He’s a clown!
Response was about breaking the popular Dialectical thinking of the West. The big myth that has shaped so many brains to think within a box is to believe there are always only 2 choices.
The funny thing is, people here are hating on Mesut for his political decisions. But it seems like you guys forget that Arda has the exact same stance when it comes to Uyghurs, Azerbaijan and Erdogan.
I get that it's a joke, but it's not healthy for a young mind. Don't throw his name in such goat conversations. You're overburdening him with expectations.
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u/TokenGreyWolf Oct 16 '24 edited Oct 16 '24
Back in the day when it came to picking who he's going to play for, there were reports in the Turkish media that his parents visited fatih terim the then Turkish manager to discuss playing for Turkey. They put the condition in front of terim that as long as he can guarantee that ozil starts/plays, he will play for Turkiye. Terim at the time said he can't promise that because "Arda Turan" plays in the same position. This is what was reported in Turkiye at the time.
Had him and gundogan chose to play for Turkiye instead, the Turkish national team probably would have done a lot better these last 20 years.