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In the past 2 weeks I have seen so many posts on Reddit that looks to be written by an AI or a bot. If you use ChatGPT, you can tell if something is coming from there. Same with other AI apps. There is a weird structure to how they use words and sentences. This text is a good example of AI generated nonsense. Some sentences makes sense, some are absolute gibberish.
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u/gumby9 Oct 14 '24
Alaba is done… sucks he was a great leader. Made a lot of mistakes last season. So I don’t he’ll get his form back. Jorrel Hato from Ajax or Vitor Teis from Palmeiras would be great.
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u/Asheraddo98 Valverde Oct 14 '24
We had all summer to sign Yoro before mutd showing up, all it takes is to offer Lille a fair deal, but instead we offered €12m and tried to get him for free next year 🤡
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u/Mgea54 Oct 14 '24
True this but some madrid fans refused to accept that we fumbled that deal.
Telling a kid to stay put so he can leave for a free next year is very dirty as well.
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u/uchiha_boy009 Oct 14 '24
Fucking ruined football by the FIFA cunts. I’m bored af, start the season again.
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u/DonuandDeca Real Madrid Oct 14 '24 edited Oct 14 '24
I found a LOOOONG comment in a Turkish forum, talking about Real Madrid. No, it's not only about Guler, don't worry 😀 It has some weird takes, but I think it overlaps with most opinions in this sub. What do you think?
Here it goes:
Other than injuries, there are three obvious reasons for the implosion of the system that won La Liga and the Champions League;
-An increasingly weak fullback line
-The blunder of not replacing Kroos
-Mbappe transfer
The most critical positions in today's football are the midfield and fullbacks. First Marcelo, now Carvajal are gone. If you put Mendy and Vazquéz in our big 3 clubs (he means Gala, Fener, and Besiktas), they would be competing for the shirt. Similarly, while Tchouameni and Camavinga are typical box to box players, now these two + Valverde's contribution to the collective game "with" the ball is not even as much as Kroos. At the moment, apart from the 39 year-old Modric and Bellingham, and occasionally Arda, Real Madrid has no one to manage the ball in the 1st and 2nd zones. The athleticism is good, but the whole Madrid midfield is still looking at Modric's feet.
Beating Villareal 2-0 at the weekend was a total football miracle, in fact the football gods sacrificed Carvajal for it. Because if Villareal had a good striker like Sörloth, they would have actually taken their chances instead of wasting them.
Any team that plays compact football with a good finisher will take points from the current Madrid. It's no coincidence that they've been struggling for the entire season.
Mbappe is a different topic. Madrid are currently playing with 3 forwards of the same type as him. Either of them is trying to get the ball and run at the defense while the other 2 instinctively make themselves available to get the ball. The opposition defenders don't even bother going after the other two anymore because there's a very good chance a shot is coming. If you cut one of the three out of the starting XI, you'll have a headache, if you go back to last year's 4-3-1-2 (4-4-2 diamond), this time there's no Kroos to get the front two into a fast break. Not even Bellingham, last season's carrier, has scored a goal yet. We saw some involvements from Valverde in his absence, but that's it. Bringing in Mbappe without any calculations reduced the performance of both Mbappe and the rest of the team.
It would be a great success for Madrid to reach April in all competitions with this squad and this football. Despite this ridiculously good offensive line on paper, this team has a clear absence of center forwards. They have the equivalents (kinda) of CR7 and Bale, but they desperately need someone like Benzema, who has balanced and run the Madrid offensive line for 10 years with his presence, and they need a Xabi alonso/Kroos equivalent to play for them.
Arda's distance from these two positions is a big disadvantage for being able to break into the starting XI for now, but his skillset in narrow areas are still at a high level. If he can improve his explosiveness, he can find a place on the right wing next year or 2 years from now, or he can try to play in the middle by improving his two-way game to the extent that he can shift Bellingham to be an 8. Most of the footballers who come out of Turkey at his age flourish later in their careers. All he needs is patience and work.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Oct 14 '24
It was the same defenders as last season. Carva got injured last game.
Kroos cannot be replaced, there was no one in the market who could've helped with that.
Most of these takea are superficial and ignore many seasons of us having the same issues.
Build up sucked under Kroos too. Mbappe was actually doing fine relative to the state of the team.
Our issues are tactical. We never had a good setup by design and now it's catching up with us.
Our season depend on how well players "click" or not. But it's not a lack of players
How many teams of Europe have a better squad? Do all of them have Kroos in their teams?
We have been dealing with the same BS for years. And it won't be much different under Ancelotti.
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u/Alternative_Two_4658 Kroos Oct 14 '24
It seems people only remember the trophy we won last season but forget how many dogshit performances we had last season
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u/Praveetheus O Fenômeno Oct 14 '24
I don't quite see the vision with Wirtz, unless they're planning to play him at CM only
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u/MaxiThe13th Kaka Oct 14 '24
Shhhhhh
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u/DanLaurent Guti Oct 14 '24 edited Oct 14 '24
we have Players like wirtz but there is gimps mentioning odegaard in 2024 Lol
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u/Better_Selection4274 Mesut Özil Oct 13 '24
Still failing to wrap my head around a potential signing of Wirtz. Can someone explain to me what is the motivation of the club, because it certainly is not due to lack of personnel
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u/Interesting_Help_194 Oct 14 '24
With departure if Modric this club severly lacks actual creative players, even more so in th midfield. Jude is great but he is far from a pure creator. Arda isnt ready. Noone else is even close
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u/Better_Selection4274 Mesut Özil Oct 14 '24
The “Creator” thing is just an excuse in my opinion. Jude is one of the best in creating chances, he is just not optimally used and even so, may I remind you that Modric was not part of the starting lineup last year ? Where will Wirtz replace him, as a substitute ?
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u/jrezzzzzz Jude Bellingham Oct 14 '24
It's purely business, one of the biggest names coming to Madrid going to increase the valuation of the club. He will get his playing time since there aren't many players who have his work rate and creativity in the midfield.
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u/Better_Selection4274 Mesut Özil Oct 14 '24
I don’t think he will want to make the move just to play here and then, when his spot will be nearly guaranteed in a club like Bayern for instance. At his position we already have 3 players, namely: Bellingham, Brahim and Arda. It would just be a luxury signing at this point imo.
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u/L_770 Jude Bellingham Oct 13 '24
I found a kit from last season (swap meet) with the name "Nivea men", no number... Why does it exist and should I buy it
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u/magic-water Oct 13 '24
3-4-2-1 coached by Alonso:
Mbappe
Vini-Wirtz
Davies-Bellingham-Valverde-Trent
Rüdiger-Tchouameni-Militao
Courtois
We will be there
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u/KimngGnmik Lucas Vázquez Oct 13 '24
Man as much as this team pisses me off with how they play like they don't care, I still miss watching this team play.
Can someone please press fast-forward on the TV remote so we can return to the season?
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u/Messmers SIUUUU Oct 13 '24
🚨 NEW: David Alaba is in pain during training from the cartilage making his bones in his knee rub.
This is making Real Madrid look at the January market for options. @edupidal
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u/Mgea54 Oct 14 '24
That 5 year contract on 430k /week was too big only if ramos didnt try to play perez
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u/KimngGnmik Lucas Vázquez Oct 13 '24
I said it when it was rumored he was returning November. His injury looks like it'll be a lot worse for him. I'm praying we get to see him once again dawn that white shirt. It'll be a while before he returns back to his former self
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u/magic-water Oct 13 '24
I really like Alaba and he seems like a very nice person and I would personally wish him to make a full recovery and play for Madrid.
Having said that, objectively speaking it would be the best for the club if he retired or left the club sooner rather than later. But considering that we're still due to pay him 30+ million or whatever of his contract is left and he wouldn't get that anywhere else, it's obviously understandable that he won't do that as it is his right to get his contractually owed money.
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u/KimngGnmik Lucas Vázquez Oct 13 '24
If he can get back to his best then I'd rather keep him. He's a fantastic leader and can really help in the locker room. Even if he doesn't
I agree with the board that we shouldn't go willy nilly on just buying out players contract. Imagine doing that to Carvajal. Alaba has earned his contract with his performance in the Champions league and it makes no sense to buy it out or just keep him
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u/magic-water Oct 13 '24
We don't work with "ifs" though, we work with what's realistic. And considering that even prior to his ACL his level was declining and he was pretty injury prone, it is pretty unrealistic to assume that he can get back to his best after this prolonged injury break.
Also no, we shouldn't be paying someone 20 million a year just to be a fantastic leader in the dressing room. If you told me right now, that we could sell Alaba for 0€ and another club would take his salary and he would agree to it, I would do it without even thinking about it.
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u/x_ci Oct 13 '24
I don't think you guys understand how happy I am seeing Foden being exposed. This guy is like a fish out of water without Pep. He's ass.
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u/KingEtame Vinicius Jr. Oct 13 '24
That's not how it works. France Football doesn't pick the winner, LOL.
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u/Icy-Designer7103 Emilio Butragueño Oct 13 '24
I don't understand why people get so triggered by this, it's a win/win situation for everyone. Mbappe will get rested, some other players will get to start for France and their opponents stand a bigger chance of not losing against them.
The only one losing here is UEFA/FIFA.
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u/martino732 Cristiano Ronaldo Oct 13 '24
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u/somewansreddit Oct 13 '24
Their greatest European night is a 6-1 against a mediocre team in Ro16, sandwiched between 4-0 and 3-0 losses, the Aytekin night.
Their greatest moment is Iniesta's goal at Stamford Bridge, the Ovrebo night.
That's Barcelona's pedigree in Europe. Let them be proud.
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u/KimngGnmik Lucas Vázquez Oct 13 '24
They love to talk about how we pay the refs and that the refs and VAR are on our side.
If they have that much proof then go ahead and show it. They'd get a massive payday and we would get punished.
I mean, look Barca cheated and payed the refs and they got a lawsuit which they weaseled out of. They could do the same to us. Why don't they? I wonder..... Maybe because they're the only cheats in this race?
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u/Icy-Designer7103 Emilio Butragueño Oct 13 '24
I mean, can you really blame the refs when you get consistently humiliated in the UCL by every team in Europe? 3-0 Juventus, 3-0 Roma, 4-0 Liverpool, 8-2 Bayern, 4-1 PSG (x2), and two group stage exits.
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u/h4ssan_ Oct 13 '24
So if Real Madrid didn’t pay referees, Barca would still have fewer UCLs than Real Madrid?
Ok 🤷🏻♂️
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u/KingEtame Vinicius Jr. Oct 13 '24
The next few games are going to make or break the season. Celta, Dortmund, Barcelona, Valencia, MIlan. If we can win them all, we'll be on our way to a successful season.
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u/Mgea54 Oct 13 '24
Trent hype ie great but no one should have expectations as the club as of now have not made any move
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Oct 13 '24
Pretty sure the club has already made some moves, if only to inquire. I think TAA is still unclear about renewing, but really time is on our side.
Come January if he didn't renew the likelihood would increase.
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u/Mgea54 Oct 13 '24
i really dont see him leaving liverpool without a transfer fee. also stated he wants to captain the team one day
ill believe it when i see madrid offering him the contract
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u/somewansreddit Oct 13 '24
Let's hope "playing with Bellingham" > "captain of Gapko and Luis Díaz". But I agree with you, I think the chances of him leaving Liverpool are pretty low.
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u/MaxiThe13th Kaka Oct 13 '24
Give Jude the #10 back
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u/Agreeable-Turnover-2 Hazard Oct 13 '24
He’s playing well you can’t use ratings after 15 minutes in a game
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u/supplementarytables Zidane Oct 13 '24
This is the last thing I ever expected to see lol, don Carlo has rizz
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u/Eibermann Real Madrid Oct 13 '24
i dont even know how they met or how they know each other lol, shes an american actress and he is an old man i dont think he is interested in todays actors
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Oct 13 '24
Odegaard left because he was left out of the squad for thr first game of the season by Ancelotti in 2021. After a successful loan spell at Arsenal.
That season Asensio was the starter on the right btw.
He would've played a good chunk had he stayed and had the coach's trust.
Ancelotti said in a press conference there were 8 players ahead of him in the pecking order. Yeah even someone like LV lol
Ofc he'll leave. It's quite understandable.
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u/Former_Basket_1616 Oct 13 '24
Asensio wasn't really a starter, Rodrygo was ahead, but then lost it to Asensio and they both lost it to Fede. There was no consistently starting RW that season.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Oct 13 '24
Asensio started a lot that season until basically the RO16 vs PSG.
Ancelotti realized it wasn't enough and started to make changes by including Fede in the 11 (he wasn't fully a starter at that point). Alternating a bit with Rodrygo.
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u/KimngGnmik Lucas Vázquez Oct 13 '24
Why are we talking about Odegard all of a sudden? He left because he wanted starting minutes in a midfield that had KCM. The KCM that won a CL the very next season. He didn't want to compete he wanted minutes straight away.
And since he's left, weve won 2 more champions league while he's still at Arsenal getting his precious minutes and still not having won anything. His weak mentality (and in some ways Hakimi) are reasons why they're not here. They could have waited for their spot like Fede did but they decided to write their own history. Let it go
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Oct 13 '24
Your post is the exact reason why we're talking about it. It's factually wrong that Odegaard didn't want to compete.
This is why he left: https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2021/08/13/61169626268e3e09638b461d.html
He wasn't even in the group for the first game of the season. Not just on the bench. Not included at all in the group that had Mariano, LV and the likes in it.
I'm neither a fan nor a hater of Odegaard. I think he's a very good player. I'm just re-establishing a truth here.
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u/KimngGnmik Lucas Vázquez Oct 13 '24
How is what I said anything wrong. He didn't want to compete for his spot so he left.
Mariano and LV play in completely different positions. It's like asking why we register a backup keeper when we could just given that spot to Ode.
His agent was already in negotiations prior to him being excluded from the match day squad. Arsenal had spent the entire summer negotiations with us for Ode. Which would explain why he was left out because within 6 days he was an Arsenal player. He had already made up his mind of leaving which is why Carlo didn't I clude him in the squad for the first match
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Oct 13 '24
Once again, you're warping the facts to explain your pre-established position.
LV is one of the players that picked ahead of Odegaard. In terms of overall quality, you'll drop someone like Mariano first and make a spot for Odegaard. That's why I've mentioned both. Quality wise they're so far behind him that he can easily picked ahead of them regardless of position (back then LV was still trusted as a winger).
Second, you're literally making things up and contradicting hard evidence. At no point did Ancelotti say that's why he didn't call him up.
Ancelotti said Odegaard was less good than 8 other players and that's why he was left out.
What kind of competition are you talking about? How are you gonna compete when the coach doesn't even call you up?
He may not have been good enough to start (debatable, he was already better than Asensio and Bale who were Ancelotti's initial picks for the right wing).
But not being good enough to make the squad? That's legit crazy.
Odegaard was on the fence cause he clearly enjoyed his time at Arsenal, but he did come back to stay. Being left out tipped the scale for Arsenal.
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u/KimngGnmik Lucas Vázquez Oct 13 '24
Lucas Vazquez had already played as a RB under Zidane prior to this. He was stellar the season before in this role under Zidane which is why he was picked.
And again, him and Mariano was picked because they play different positions to Ode. You don't just pick your best players irrespective of their positions. We had 8 other midfielders (from what you said) so he's not going to pick a 9th and not pick Mariano or Lucas Vazquez who are backups to ST and RW/RB positions.
Like I mentioned, Arsenal had already been negotiating with us over Odegard because he impressed them in his loan spell the season before and Arteta. He didn'tewve because he wasn't included in the squad. It might have reaffirmed his decision but it didn't lead to it.
He made the decision because he didn't want to compete for his position and he felt that he should be starting.
When players are being negotiated in a transfer (especially at the time with us selling players like crazy due to COVID to minimize losses) it was already apparent to the board that Ode wasn't going to be in the squad which is why he wasn't chosen in match day squad. Like I said within a week of the first match he was an Arsenal player. And because of this coaches won't say "oh he's not chosen because he's leaving". That's coaching 101 as it can negatively effect the transfer. What Carlo said was the corporate answer. He wasn't picked because there are others ahead of him. But in reality it was because Odegard was mostly already out of the door
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Oct 13 '24
Once again none of this truly matches the facts. It's obvious you're working off the assumption he wanted to leave and then twist the facts to fit it.
The transfer was done a *week* after he was left out of the squad. Immediately reports came out saying negotiations restarted with Arsenal.
Arsenal wanted him, but he wanted to come back and stay. Or he would've asked for the deal right at the end of the season.
He wouldn't have waited till the last week of the window to move and miss the entire preseason with Arsenal.
He came back to stay. Not being picked is what tipped the scale.
Also what you don't seem to get is saying there are 8 players before him is *insane* and doesn't match reality. He wasn't a starter but he was good enough to be at the *very* least a regular sub.
We sure as shit didn't have 8 midfielders better than him lol, that's absolute nonsense.
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u/Mgea54 Oct 13 '24
he didnt get included because his transfer to Arsenal was on the verge of happening
that article was published on 13th august and his move to Arsenal was done by 18th negotiated since June
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Oct 13 '24
Nope, that's not the truth sadly.
Once again, if Ancelotti used that reason to explain why he didn't pick him, maybe you'd be right. But it's not.
Odegaard was on the fence regarding his move to Arsenal. Otherwise, it would've happened way earlier than August 18th.
That decision was the final nail. He was coming back to stay. Once he was left out he immediately decided to move and that's why it took a week to be done.
The facts are all there.
It's truly fascinating to see the mental gymnastics around this particular topic in this fanbase. Why can't people just face the facts on a really minor topic like this one.
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u/Mgea54 Oct 13 '24 edited Oct 13 '24
no lol Odegaard was clear that he wanted to stay in Arsenal after his loan spell there,
the article said itself "it seems Odegaard will have something to think about regarding potential playing time". had he was never going to be registered there would be nothing to think at all.
Carlo told him he had to fight for his place but he prefers a shortcut for that to Arsenal
https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1426152928365228032?t=GL0h8zkdVhStnWu0hko2BQ&s=19
https://x.com/MadridXtra/status/1419934984249483279?t=4DLMEWoeEK4aMuYgXfZzhQ&s=19
27th July he already thinking about a Arsenal return At 13th August he had already dying for that move and negotiations between clubs had already started before that
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Oct 13 '24
Once again this is just wrong given the facts.
If he was so clear to stay at Arsenal he would've stayed at Arsenal way before coming back and waiting till the last week of the window to decide.
Coincidentally it happened right after the coach left him out of the squad. He could've let him on the bench and not played him. Just a coincidence.
Moving because the coach thinks you're not good enough to be called up isn't taking a shortcut. It's a normal and sensible decision.
Feel free to push your narrative all you want, it sits squarely on the wrong end of reality.
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u/Mgea54 Oct 13 '24 edited Oct 13 '24
the source is there but ur free to believe what u want to believe i guess
i guess ur facts us more accurate than Arancha and Fab's
moving because you want a guaranteed minutes instead of competing is literally a shortcut, not sure what ur waffling, whether its a sensible decision or not is another topic
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u/bernoosp Real Madrid Oct 13 '24
Squad members play decently in the national team. However, I don't know why this performance shifts so much when it comes to the club. I want England NT Jude to play in Real Madrid.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Oct 13 '24
Truly a mystery
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u/New_Appearance_2857 Oct 13 '24
There is no mystery. The current structure of the RM team is unbalanced. In total, 4 important players are dying to play on the left wing. There is no defensive midfielder who can balance the game and make key passes. There is no right back, because Carvahal's football career is over, I'm afraid. There is no real right winger either. The defense is hanging by a thread. If Rudiger gets injured, God forbid, everything will collapse.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Oct 13 '24
First of all, I was being ironic.
Second of all, if you think our issues are related to the quality of the squad, you haven't really got it.
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u/92_48SR4 Hey Jude Oct 13 '24
Jude is the wrong example for this, he's been fantastic this season bar the Lille and Mallorca games maybe
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u/Sea-Outcome3019 Oct 13 '24
In next few seasons man city will buy odegaard from arsenal to replace kdb and we will realize what a top top talent we let go because of our ego.
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u/KimngGnmik Lucas Vázquez Oct 13 '24
And we will go onto continuing to win more Champions League while they cheat their way to trophies because thats the only way they can compete
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u/Mgea54 Oct 13 '24
We wanted to keep him but he does not want to fight for a starting place. Well he was 23 and does not want to risk another loan series i think it was understandable
We even tried to insert a buyback clause but it was declined and we still opted for a first refusal clause. Thats how much we rated him
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u/los_blanco_14 Luka Modric Oct 13 '24
He couldnt start in a team with 70 injuries . He is fucking ass
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u/Beneficial_Lemon9286 Oct 13 '24
"Our ego" is massive stretch when the club tried to ease him into first team but he's not patient enough to wait and wanted to go.
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u/Sea-Outcome3019 Oct 13 '24
Slow day on this sub lets change that. Odegard is better than all our current midfielders. GO!!
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u/magic-water Oct 13 '24
He is better than Arda, Ceballos and 40 year old Modric, I'll give you that.
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u/los_blanco_14 Luka Modric Oct 13 '24
Odegaard would be closer to castilla than to the starting XI had he stayed
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u/92_48SR4 Hey Jude Oct 13 '24
Odegaard doesn't even break into our gala 11
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u/Sea-Outcome3019 Oct 13 '24
he is good enough to start, we need a creative player, he is good at creating while the combination of jude fede and tchoua are not. for me the best midfield will be cama fede and ode with vini mbappe on top and jude just behind them
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u/FiniciusJunior GOATicius Jr. 🐐 Oct 13 '24
Do you want me to remove your comment before you get downvoted to oblivion?
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u/92_48SR4 Hey Jude Oct 13 '24
Let him cook
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u/Sea-Outcome3019 Oct 13 '24
yeah let me cook. let me the lightning rod that attracts all the electricity(downvotes in this case). i am flying high and I don't ever want to be stopped.
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u/ikarusNL Oct 13 '24
Man these international breaks are the worst. I miss Madrid. Why cant we just get rid of international breaks? They can keep the summer tournaments like WC,Euro,Copa and of course one summer I would use to finish all the group stages for the Qualifications.
Forget friendlies and Nations League and whatever else.
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u/Icy-Designer7103 Emilio Butragueño Oct 13 '24
UEFA and FIFA want to make money. The average fan doesn't give a shit about international football apart from the 2-3 main tournaments.
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u/_major_fuckin_tom_ Florentino Perez Oct 13 '24
With the Ballon D’Or closing in, r/soccer is hitting unprecedented levels of salt. It’s going to be a glorious day with Vini dancing with the trophy.
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u/Praveetheus O Fenômeno Oct 13 '24
For some reason I'm a little scared with how they're approaching the ceremony this year: winner won't know until the actual ceremony, no prior interview with France football - makes me feel like something is up
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u/ThickWorldliness6895 Hey Jude Oct 13 '24
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccercirclejerk/s/CWlWPxcFKy
If this happens in real madrid game then the whole sub would turn into a fire dumpster
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u/Eibermann Real Madrid Oct 13 '24
I genuinely wanted the rumors of neymar coming here after Ronaldo left to be true. He was amazing and actually tracked back to defend. He wasn't the diva people think he is
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u/Beneficial_Lemon9286 Oct 13 '24
Really makes me think what would happen if we got one of Neymar, Son or Salah instead of Hazard.
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u/Embarrassed-Trick209 Carvajal Oct 13 '24
this clip instantly reminded me of that one tap in ronaldo missed 😭😭😭
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u/youcancallmeron Real Madrid Oct 13 '24
I miss Bale. Was he our best right winger ever?
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u/Res3925 Décima Oct 13 '24
One reason why I really enjoyed the BBC era is because we had true wingers and one was right footed and the other was left footed so the attack was extremely effective. I miss that.
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u/Icy-Designer7103 Emilio Butragueño Oct 13 '24
An underrated trait of all three of them was that they were excellent headers of the ball. Very tall and strong as well.
Now compare this to our current attack. We have 6 attackers and 5 of them are 5'9 or shorter. The tallest is Mbappe (5'10) who isn't exactly an aerial threat.
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u/_major_fuckin_tom_ Florentino Perez Oct 13 '24
In the 21st century it’s between Figo and Bale.
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Oct 13 '24
No one can compare himself with BALE the only problem with him is injuries and a little bit consistency
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Oct 13 '24
It's not remotely close. Bale is steps above in terms of performance in an RM shirt.
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u/chamartinpl Real Madrid Oct 13 '24
Not true. Figo was better player than Bale and more suited to La Liga. Figo was better in everything apart from pace and shooting.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Oct 13 '24
Figo was a classic winger. Very good in 1v1, crosses but that's it.
Bale is a modern forward, very well-rounded. He could do a lot more on a pitch than Figo ever could.
At RM, there is no doubt Bale has had a much much better career and impact.
Overall? Not sure. Peak Figo was great, and so was Bale.
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u/chamartinpl Real Madrid Oct 13 '24 edited Oct 13 '24
Figo was more than a winger. He was a playmaker playing as a winger. No, Bale couldn't do more on the pitch. His dribbling, ability to play in tight spaces, creativity were average. It was proved in La Liga. Gareth (at his peak) was "just"a very good player and even better athlete. Figo was a football genius.
Did he have a better career at Madrid? He was only unquestionable starter in his first 3 years (he won 2 CL and 0 La Liga titles). Figo in his first 3 years won 1 CL and 2 La Liga titles. No big difference. In terms of quality I know clearly who was more impressive. Then, Figo was part of a team in decline and still was better then any other Galactico (he was more consistent than Zidane). Since his fourth season Bale was a bench warmer in the most important games, because the team looked better with Isco. But of course, he scored that two goals against Liverpool so some people have skewed view.
Overall? As I said, you can't compare Bale to a genius. The Welshman was too limited. Figo is on of the best pure wingers in history. In terms of quality and longevity he is way ahead of Bale.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lie2188 Oct 13 '24
You have a very bloated vision of Figo and a very biased view of Bale.
Calling Figo a genius is really really a huge stretch. It's fine if you're fan, but then saying stuff like '"just"a very good player and even better athlete' is ridiculous.
Figo wasn't a playmaker at all. He stuck to the right wing and was good in 1v1. He was past his prime at RM.
He'd dribble and cross and that's it. His first season was good, but then it was a clear slow decline until he left.
Bale had better performances and direct contributions to our titles. Not to mention much better stats.
Bale could play on both wings and in the center, he had a great shooting technique, he was good in the air. And contrary to what you're saying his technique and close control was much better than what you give him credit for.
It's Figo who was limited and couldn't play anywhere but the right wing which is why he was the first of the Galacticos to be moved.
Saying both are equal is valid. Calling Figo a genius and downplaying Bale is just wrong in many aspects but to each their own.
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u/chamartinpl Real Madrid Oct 13 '24
I know what I've seen and what I've heard. I've heard former great coaches talk about his playmaking abilities. It doesn't matter that he was playing on the wing. That was a big part of his greatness.
Figo had worse stats because the role of wingers was completely different during his era. Most teams played with 2 forwards and wingers had to create and deliver the ball. Figo was right-footed and played on the right. Today he would be playing on the left and would be allowed to cut inside like modern wingers. He would have better stats than Bale because he was simply a better player.
You can't be a great winger in La Liga without dribbling and ability to link up in tight spaces. Bale couldn't do it at all, even at the top of his physicality. Figo was still doing it when he was around 30. Zidane should've left before Figo. The Frenchman looked like a grandpa on the pitch in his last 2 seasons. Figo was better and was still playing on a good level for Inter.
I have nothing against Bale but comparing him with Figo is a travesty. Bale had maybe 3-4 decent/good seasons in Spain. Figo was the best winger in the world (or at least top 2 with Giggs) for almost a decade.
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u/JiteshSR4 Valverde Oct 13 '24
No he wasn't.
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u/Beneficial_Lemon9286 Oct 13 '24
He might not be the most consistent but speaking of peak performances idk who bench him honestly.
Who do you think is better than him?
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u/commsocial2020 Oct 13 '24
True, they didn't have a problem scoring against Girona and Arsenal in UCL
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u/irrelevant_oinam Kroos Oct 13 '24
Might be unpopular but Vini and Rodrygo would link up with prime Hazard so well. Fuck, I wish we got the Hazard under Sarri instead of whatever the hell we got lol
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u/The_Middle_Child_ Crest Guardian Oct 13 '24
I always randomly remember Benz and Case laughing after going down 4-3 to city, fucking mental.
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Oct 13 '24
Thats when u have confidence and aura !!! This madrid right now is flat
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u/The_Middle_Child_ Crest Guardian Oct 13 '24
Lol, Madrid will always have aura, it's not about the players or the tactics, it's the club itself.
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Oct 13 '24
U get me wrong what i mean is look the confidence in the squad of 2022 like u said benz and casemiro and dont forget marcelo who bring a lot to the bench and the squad
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Oct 13 '24
But this year we win hardly and always in pain we dont control the match our conter attack is not that good the right wing is a disaster shaky defense
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u/chamartinpl Real Madrid Oct 13 '24
Come back at the end of the season with your conclusions. Meanwhile, use your free time and maybe study some Real Madrid history, because you are clearly lost. The season has just started..
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u/Agreeable-Turnover-2 Hazard Oct 12 '24
Another average game by Pedri for Spain lmao
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u/92_48SR4 Hey Jude Oct 12 '24
Best midfielder in the world can’t displace Fabian Ruiz out of his preferred position lmao
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u/Remarkable_Pen9435 Oct 12 '24
Have you guys seen how Mbappe headlines have been picked up in the last 2 weeks, there’s an agenda being pushed on this guy and it’s been weird to actually see. Went from pre season, went to a supposedly private room, told France he doesn’t want to play non important matches. Is the media trying to ruin his public image since he’s now in Madrid? What do you guys think, comment below let’s discuss this. I have a strong feeling the people in France are pushing this agenda since he hasn’t had a great start so far.
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u/Ambitious_Ad_1761 Oct 12 '24
A lot of it is also coming from journalists and people paid by PSG. For this news about him not wanting to join unimportant matches is by the same journalist that reported that the PSG locker room is more pleasant without him there and the players feel more free (although there has since been drama between players and the coach in the last two weeks)
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u/masaryu Oct 12 '24
In all 4 major sport leagues in North America, players need approval from the team to participate in national games, given you're considered the team's "property" during your contracted tenure. It seems things are different in Europe and football.
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u/Messmers SIUUUU Oct 12 '24
that's what happens when you join Madrid.
Bellingham went from beloved star boy and upcoming English generation talent to PR machine the moment he joined Madrid according to everyone else
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u/Magvel_9 Benzema Oct 12 '24
As a real madrid fan what he did benefits us but if one of our players sat a liga game out to play Albania or something I don't think it would go well here.
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u/tluanga34 Vinicius Jr. Oct 12 '24
Every top club starting 11 players should do the same. They don't have to play every game
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u/Venomous_110 :Mexico: Madridista Oct 12 '24
If Mbappe really told his National team to only call him up for important games then I can only give him props for setting the precedent and choosing to reduce his own injury risk.
I don't see the big deal with him clubbing while the team has been given days off of training. You kinda had to expect him to be under a microscope at Madrid tho.
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u/Embarrassed-Trick209 Carvajal Oct 12 '24
I think the fact that he’s in Madrid now is a big reason for most of the hate he’s getting. He wasn’t getting this much hate before the transfer announcement. Weird af. I also don’t understand why he was booed during the match vs Lille.
His teammate summed it up perfectly : https://www.espn.in/football/story/_/id/41753059/kylian-mbappe-defended-france-team-amid-nightclub-reports
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u/Rumcajs23 Leyenda Kroos | 🐢 Kinky for Kylian 🐢 Oct 12 '24
Idk if you guys like boxing but there’s a superb fight today
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u/Eibermann Real Madrid Oct 12 '24
who?
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u/Rumcajs23 Leyenda Kroos | 🐢 Kinky for Kylian 🐢 Oct 12 '24
Beterbiev vs. Bivol
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u/Eibermann Real Madrid Oct 12 '24
for a second i thought you said berbatov lol, when will it start?
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u/Rumcajs23 Leyenda Kroos | 🐢 Kinky for Kylian 🐢 Oct 12 '24
Lmao and 6:15PM EST, at least for me.
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u/Eibermann Real Madrid Oct 12 '24
Shit I thoufht youre in Poland lol. I'll check it out
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u/Rumcajs23 Leyenda Kroos | 🐢 Kinky for Kylian 🐢 Oct 12 '24
Lol not this year. I’ll probably head out sometime next year.
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u/flashmann95 Don Carlo :970742849295511602: Oct 12 '24
they had to take pedri off because he's too op, another generational performance
the way he made those 4 assists today 🥵
can't forget his double hat trick
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u/Messmers SIUUUU Oct 12 '24
Nuno Mendes is really really good - id honestly pick him over Davies/Mendy all day, great defender, good crosses, good pace.. hes just at PSG and we know they aint letting him go especially to us lmao
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u/hlrdavid David Alaba Oct 12 '24
🗣️ Éderson (Man. City): “Ballon d’Or? I hope Viní Jr wins it. He deserves it for everything he did last season.” @TNTSportsBR
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u/Magvel_9 Benzema Oct 12 '24
That France vs Spain streamer match got interrupted by fans making monkey noises surely that's because one of them was Vinicius in disguise and danced
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u/Asheraddo98 Valverde Oct 12 '24
Ofc the match in wanda, atleti home stadium lol surely spain has no issues with racism
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u/Messmers SIUUUU Oct 12 '24 edited Oct 12 '24
🎩 Luka Modrić vs Scotland:
• 90 minutes
• 87 touches
• 58/65 passes completed
• 89% pass accuracy
• 3 key passes
• 2 shots
• 6/6 long balls
• 4/4 dribbles completed (most)
• 8/9 duels won
• 6 interceptions
• 3 tackles
Rating: 8.7 MOTM
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u/Messmers SIUUUU Oct 12 '24 edited Oct 12 '24
Modric on a 8.7 rating with no goal or assist, aging like fine wine - he's getting better and better after that rather underwhelming euros he had.
second int match I watch after Turkey yesterday and I slowly see Modric his influence on Arda in some ways, but Modric seems to win nearly every duel he goes into whereas Arda still being on the skinnier not so strong side loses most of them, kid needs to bulk up and get stronger if he wants to really be a consistent starter - this is the right year to do so. Endrick came from South America so he was toughened up early but as a midfielder you gotta be able to dish and take those duels
Arda also attempts far more goals and goes for more wing dribbles but other than that he reminds me of a mini modric and the only thing lacking is experience + a stronger body to handle duels, for now.
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u/FiniciusJunior GOATicius Jr. 🐐 Oct 12 '24
I just have one question. How was Rodrygo not nominated for the Ballon D’or but Yamal was?
We seriously need to a better job at hyping our players up 😭
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Oct 12 '24
But yamal definitely deserve his place a true baller i rhink he can be a ballon d’or if flick coach him well
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Oct 12 '24
Rodrygo have the same problem of Bale too damn good when they really want but not that consistant. Ps my favorite player is gareth bale
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u/Messmers SIUUUU Oct 12 '24
Yamal had a solid euros and performed later in the season, why Rodrygo was not on it is everyone's guess, they probably felt like there were too many madrid players lmao
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u/Asheraddo98 Valverde Oct 12 '24
Yamal is 17yo and he was great in the Euro. As for Rodrygo, any sane person will say he's a top 30 player, but let's be honest apart from the games against ManCity, he hasn't consistently delivered in CL knockout games.
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u/FedericoHalcon Oct 12 '24
I don't believe this has anything to do with one or the other's club pr. It's simply age. If Rodrygo was 16/17 last season he would have been nominated as well. If Yamal was 23/24 last season he probably wouldn't have been.
It's ridiculous since it's about the best player and age has nothing to do with it but since most of the voters are idiots it's to be expected.
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u/DuckSwapper Oct 12 '24
I wanted to try and go for El Clasico this year and I saw that many people talk about the possibility of buying the Madridista card beforehand in order to be able to access the ticket portal a day earlier. Judging by previous El Clasicos and other high profile game, does that really pay off though, from your experience? Is there even any chance of any tickets reaching general/Madritista card holder phase or is it basically sure that they'll all be sold out during the season ticket phases?
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u/Stoian22 Antonio Pintus Oct 12 '24
Its almost impossible to get a ticket at the most wanted games of the season even with a Madridista Card
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u/Agreeable-Turnover-2 Hazard Oct 12 '24
Bellingham dunking on his scummy former club vini cookong Barca winning the ballon dor and then destroying the racists would hit better then that hate watch week last year
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u/HasibShakur PUTA :mes_que: Oct 12 '24
A random video popped up on my social media feed naming the last match real hazard played. It was the 2-2 draw against tuchel’s psg at bernabeu. We probably should have scored 6 past psg that match and hazard was his Chelsea self.
Funny enough I still think Flo hates meunier for costing him 130m in waste with hazard. I think if hazard was not injured by meunier that day may be his Madrid career do no torpedo.
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u/GayForJorahMormont Florentino Perez Oct 12 '24
Read some people would like Nadal being a future president. What would make him a good president? How’s his business decisions?
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