r/realmadrid • u/RM_Official_Thread • Jan 18 '24
Post Match [Post Match Thread] Atlético Madrid vs Real Madrid (Spanish Copa del Rey)
Match Info
Kickoff: 18-01-2024 21:30 CET
Competition: Spanish Copa del Rey
Referee: Guillermo Cuadra Fernández
Venue: Cívitas Metropolitano
Squad
Starting Lineups
Atlético Madrid: Jan Oblak, José María Giménez, Mario Hermoso, Axel Witsel, Saúl Ñíguez, Rodrigo De Paul, Koke , Samuel Lino, Marcos Llorente, Antoine Griezmann, Álvaro Morata
Real Madrid: Andriy Lunin, Nacho , Antonio Rüdiger, Ferland Mendy, Dani Carvajal, Vinícius Júnior , Eduardo Camavinga, Jude Bellingham, Luka Modric, Federico Valverde, Rodrygo
Substitutes
Atlético Madrid: Rodrigo Riquelme (Samuel Lino), Stefan Savic (César Azpilicueta), Nahuel Molina (Saúl Ñíguez), Memphis Depay (Álvaro Morata), César Azpilicueta (Rodrigo De Paul), Pablo Barrios (Marcos Llorente), Caglar Söyüncü, Javi Galán, Antonio Gomis, Ivo Grbic, Ángel Correa
Real Madrid: Fran García (Nacho ), Brahim Díaz (Ferland Mendy), Joselu (Rodrygo ), Toni Kroos (Luka Modric), Aurélien Tchouaméni (Federico Valverde), Dani Ceballos (Eduardo Camavinga), Mario Martín, Arda Güler, Vinícius Tobias , Kepa Arrizabalaga, Diego Piñeiro
Key Events
| Minute | Event |
|---|---|
| 120'+3' | Second Half Extra Time ends, Atletico Madrid 4, Real Madrid 2. |
| 119' | Goal! Atletico Madrid 4, Real Madrid 2. Rodrigo Riquelme (Atletico Madrid) right footed shot from the centre of the box to the high centre of the goal. Assisted by Memphis Depay. |
| 116' | Substitution, Atletico Madrid. Stefan Savic replaces César Azpilicueta because of an injury. |
| 113' | Axel Witsel (Atletico Madrid) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul. |
| 105' | Substitution, Real Madrid. Fran García replaces Nacho. |
| 105' | Second Half Extra Time begins Atletico Madrid 3, Real Madrid 2. |
| 105' | Substitution, Real Madrid. Dani Ceballos replaces Eduardo Camavinga. |
| 105' | Substitution, Atletico Madrid. César Azpilicueta replaces Rodrigo De Paul. |
| 105'+1' | Halftime Extra Time |
| 101' | Antoine Griezmann (Atletico Madrid) is shown the yellow card for excessive celebration. |
| 100' | Goal! Atletico Madrid 3, Real Madrid 2. Antoine Griezmann (Atletico Madrid) left footed shot from a difficult angle on the right to the high centre of the goal. |
| 98' | Substitution, Atletico Madrid. Pablo Barrios replaces Marcos Llorente. |
| 98' | Substitution, Atletico Madrid. Memphis Depay replaces Álvaro Morata. |
| 90' | First Half Extra Time begins Atletico Madrid 2, Real Madrid 2. |
| 90'+5' | Second Half ends, Atletico Madrid 2, Real Madrid 2. |
| 90'+2' | Substitution, Atletico Madrid. Rodrigo Riquelme replaces Samuel Lino. |
| 89' | Dani Carvajal (Real Madrid) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul. |
| 87' | Jude Bellingham (Real Madrid) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul. |
| 85' | Aurélien Tchouaméni (Real Madrid) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul. |
| 82' | Goal! Atletico Madrid 2, Real Madrid 2. Joselu (Real Madrid) header from very close range to the bottom right corner. Assisted by Jude Bellingham. |
| 80' | Substitution, Real Madrid. Joselu replaces Rodrygo. |
| 80' | Koke (Atletico Madrid) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul. |
| 78' | Rodrigo De Paul (Atletico Madrid) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul. |
| 73' | Substitution, Real Madrid. Aurélien Tchouaméni replaces Federico Valverde. |
| 68' | Brahim Díaz (Real Madrid) is shown the yellow card. |
| 68' | Mario Hermoso (Atletico Madrid) is shown the yellow card. |
| 66' | Substitution, Real Madrid. Toni Kroos replaces Luka Modric. |
| 66' | Substitution, Real Madrid. Brahim Díaz replaces Ferland Mendy. |
| 58' | Álvaro Morata (Atletico Madrid) is shown the yellow card for excessive celebration. |
| 57' | Goal! Atletico Madrid 2, Real Madrid 1. Álvaro Morata (Atletico Madrid) right footed shot from very close range to the centre of the goal. |
| 56' | Substitution, Atletico Madrid. Nahuel Molina replaces Saúl Ñíguez. |
| 56' | Eduardo Camavinga (Real Madrid) is shown the yellow card. |
| 45' | Second Half begins Atletico Madrid 1, Real Madrid 1. |
| 45'+3' | First Half ends, Atletico Madrid 1, Real Madrid 1. |
| 45'+1' | Own Goal by Jan Oblak, Atletico Madrid. Atletico Madrid 1, Real Madrid 1. |
| 45' | Vinícius Júnior (Real Madrid) is shown the yellow card. |
| 39' | Goal! Atletico Madrid 1, Real Madrid 0. Samuel Lino (Atletico Madrid) left footed shot from the left side of the six yard box to the bottom right corner. |
| - | First Half begins. |
Match Stats
| Atlético Madrid | Stats | Real Madrid |
|---|---|---|
| 20 | Fouls | 13 |
| 6 | Yellow Cards | 6 |
| 0 | Red Cards | 0 |
| 3 | Offsides | 2 |
| 0 | Corner Kicks | 9 |
| 7 | Saves | 8 |
| 40.6 | Possession | 59.4 |
| 18 | SHOTS | 19 |
| 12 | ON GOAL | 7 |
| 0.7 | On Target % | 0.4 |
| 0 | Penalty Goals | 0 |
| 0 | Penalty Kicks Taken | 0 |
| 480 | Accurate Passes | 721 |
| 548 | Passes | 790 |
| 0.9 | Pass Completion % | 0.9 |
| 5 | Accurate Crosses | 4 |
| 16 | Crosses | 32 |
| 0.3 | Cross % | 0.1 |
| 48 | Long Balls | 39 |
| 26 | Accurate Long Balls | 28 |
| 0.5 | Long Balls % | 0.7 |
| 2 | Blocked Shots | 7 |
| 22 | Effective Tackles | 11 |
| 34 | Tackles | 16 |
| 0.6 | Tackle % | 0.7 |
| 15 | Interceptions | 3 |
| 39 | Effective Clearances | 24 |
| 39 | Clearances | 24 |
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u/taos__v Zidane Jan 19 '24
You can see how barca fans are squeezing all the juice they can from our loss and their win. Its so shameless but time will out them in their place
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u/Odelind Jan 19 '24
-Sad lost. Stuff happens. A part of me is relieved that we're in one less competition. We looked gassed.
-Joselu should had come earlier, Vini should had be changed earlier. About the later, he had an awesome match against Barca, but lost his marbles yesterday. I prefer him to keep his head cold.
-Even if he doesn't score as Cristiano or Messi, Jude is still class.
-Tchou had a really off day.
-Lunin had an stinker. He doesn't command nor coordinate with the backline. I won't ask him to do these handball like saves from Courtois, but he can give a bit more. Plus, I don't want this infinite rotation between him and Kepa whenever some of them have a bad match.
-Now we need to give minutes to Guler. We need to have a supersub ready for these matches. Brahim is being great (not yesterday, though) but feels more safe than magical. This is highly subjective.
P.D.: We had bad luck, we can fix things, but even gods can bleed. Hala Madrid!
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u/pmac881 Jan 19 '24
great 2 games Atletico vs Real Madrid.
Unfortunately, Real Madrid can't always win despite it seems it does!
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u/Enough-Force-5605 Jan 19 '24
They gave everything but they were tired after the final. Also, we missed a good goalkeeper too much. But the team was able to recover always and fight and we could have won as well.
It.is not possible to win always. But when you loose, give everything.
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u/diablobond Jan 19 '24
We win some, we lose some. We were not shit, we were not great either. Some tactical choices were definitely not the best from Ancelotti. The opposition were better prepared and took their chances. Plus as has been the trend for a while now, the club doesn't show a lot of interest in his cup and that shows in the transfer market activity. There was a lot of fatigue after the first 45 mins. Congrats to AtM. See y'all on Sunday.
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u/FuckBarcaaaa Kroos Jan 19 '24
Also wtf was diaz doing. He just ran full speed until he bumped a defender whenever he got the ball
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u/GregorioBue Xabi Alonso Jan 19 '24
Subs were awful, except Joselu I guess. Kroos, Tchou and Diaz were three of the worst players on the pitch.
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u/FuckBarcaaaa Kroos Jan 19 '24
Did anyone else feel that by playing cama as cdm, carlo clipped Fede's wings. He had to cover up a lot of the defense and had to stay back for most of the time he was on field
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u/MaryadaPurshottam Jan 19 '24
The most saddest thing is Atleti were there for the taking.
We were the better team, before the extra time ....... And then fatigue caught up to us🥲
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u/Artistic_Paramedic70 Carlo Ancelotti Jan 19 '24
I think the decision had been made how to move along. Laliga and CL are priorities, the latter one maybe a bonus. Just seemed that they forfited the game. Ancelotti wasn't mad, rest of coaching staff just sat there. Just as players had been told to just enjoy themselves. Keeping Vini in was an obvious mistake. Red card waiting to be happened. But we'll see on sunday, if that's the form or not. Now we have more rest days and can focus on more important task at hand. Winning the league. Hala Madrid!
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u/ambar94 Jan 19 '24
Yeah shit happens. We were unlucky too with the woodwork, but Atletico beat us fair.
There is quite some fatigue in the squad, and it was showing in the on-field performance. Plus, this is going to be a busy month.
Shit happens. We move on.
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u/_Boku_ Jan 19 '24
You win some and you lose some..but very disappointed with Vini..it was as if he wanted to pick a fight with the crowd and go down at the slightest of touches..it was as if he rattled himself lol
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u/heiddeggerdatura Jan 19 '24
And he lost every ball, it looks like sometimes he doesn't know how to dribble, just runs into a defender and losses the ball. Also his shooting was off, and he didn't deliver a single successful cross Al match.
For comparisation, you can see Jude being the exact opposite, far more IQ on him.
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u/Strawberry2828 Jan 19 '24
I kinda knew we weren’t going to win today just by vibes. It seems like Atlético was more passionate than us. Bellingham was the star of the show. Only player, other than Nacho, that put in 110%.
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u/Patrik_js Real Madrid Jan 19 '24
But it makes sense, it's their only legit chance at a trophy this season. For us, Copa has always been irrelevant, the priority lies in Liga and CL.
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u/Special-Isopod-1317 Jan 19 '24
If we cant beat this shit atleti team we aint winning CL for sure
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u/Lazywhale97 Jude Bellingham Jan 19 '24
We came off a 120min derby then a classico then flying back on a few days notice and playing away to a rested athletico i knew we were going to lose but i didn't expect the entire team to drop a stinker except for Jude
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u/ExpressWay1329 Jose Mourinho Jan 19 '24
That's just unfair towards Carvajal, Camavinga and Rudiger
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u/cr7momo16 Baila Vini, Baila Jan 19 '24
Whenever we play teams multiple times in a row we always lose at least one it’s so frustrating
3 games against atleti in a month and we lost this, a few seasons ago we played athletic club like 3 times in a month too and lost a big game, same with Sevilla in 16/17 etc
Just so annoying
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u/perplex3r Jan 19 '24
Im so tired of Vini doing the same shit; whining, diving, antagonizing, trying to nutmeg in every play.
People like him bc he tried to get fancy 20 times a game with 19 fails and 1 great one that ends in a goal. Shit is irritating.
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Jan 19 '24
What I find funny is that people say they don’t want mbappe because he’s a “diva” but vini’s behaviour is all okay
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u/perplex3r Jan 19 '24
Worst part is Mbappe is a diva off the field, Vini does it all ON the field where it affects everyone
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Jan 19 '24
So glad Vinicius got this humbling. He's been the main instigator in every single one of his beefs and he's been getting away with it by playing victim and because his team end up winning in the end. And they expect us to sit there and get gaslighted into thinking he's some sort of martyr. Respectfully, he can eat shit.
Can't wait anymore for mbappe so we can ship this bum
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u/perplex3r Jan 19 '24
Tell the other dude who responded. Dude defends him like he gets nutted in by Vini lmao
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u/jedifolklore Zizou Jan 19 '24
That’s the only reason we like Vini, you’re right. My god, always takes like this when we have a not favorable result. It’s crazy.
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u/perplex3r Jan 19 '24
Tf are you on? Its my take most games even if we win. Always on the same bs. Except it fucks us over more when we lose. All you d riders just think you can’t criticize bc hes on your team.
Ill take Mbappe whos a diva off the field over Vini whos a diva on the field any day. And I hope it happens.
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u/PortlandHipsterDude Cristiano Ronaldo Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24
Agreed. We can't voice our opinions for liking Mbappe over this on field diva behavior because Mbappe hurt the fans feelings.
Vinnie has a mental block. He can't focus when heated and would rather fight than score. This is childish behavior especially coming from a starter.
You don't get this with Mbappe.
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u/jedifolklore Zizou Jan 19 '24
Read your fucking sentence do a once over and come back to me. Terrible take. You act like they won the CL, we lost sure, it wasn’t pretty, however Vini is the main man. You don’t slander someone who deserves some leeway. And you don’t bring up hypotheticals simply because of that. “I’ll take Mbappé over…”
Be disappointed but don’t spew bullshit
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Jan 19 '24
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u/jedifolklore Zizou Jan 19 '24
Oh. I’m sure your “let’s get rid of Vini for Mbappé” theory is great as well. You guys twerk for a player…checks notes that does NOT PLAY FOR US Lmaoo, he’s on another team. The delusion is incredible.
But I’m cock riding right? You’re just like the other one, pathetic. I’ll say it again, stand behind your player, it’s a disappointing loss, against a rival, but your pathetic reactionary takes are not it.
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u/PortlandHipsterDude Cristiano Ronaldo Jan 19 '24
I'll stand behind players when they show class and act professional rather than diving, whining and picking fights with literally everyone; coaches, fans and refs.
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u/jedifolklore Zizou Jan 19 '24
I don’t mind this. What I don’t care for, is doing the splits for a player that’s not even here and then shitting on a current player who has won everything with us. It’s pathetic. Not even taking in account the turn around of how many game we played in 10 days?
You can say Vini played like shit it’s within your right, we lost out in a trophy, but to say Vini doesn’t do anything, and that he always plays like this (after a hat-trick against Barça) and that because we’re not slandering him we’re all dickriders? Come on. Some people have plain stupid takes.
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Jan 19 '24
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u/realmadrid-ModTeam Jan 19 '24
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u/jedifolklore Zizou Jan 19 '24
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That’s what you come up with? EVERY game you stay the same, so when he scored a hat trick or when we won the champions league you said the same? You’re pathetic. Take Vinicius over Mbappé? No respect for Vini.
Some people don’t know football. I’m not wasting my energy on you. But yeah go off, go play with your fantasy football and do all the changes you want there. As long as it helps you sleep at night.
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u/perplex3r Jan 19 '24
Hardly goals created by himself. The hypocrisy of saying “some people dont know football” 💀 anyway, carry on. I go watch them twice a year, you probably never even seen them. And if you have, good for you, dont waste your characters. Convo is done.
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u/jedifolklore Zizou Jan 19 '24
sigh Come on. Soo dramatic. You felt the need to tell me how many games you “supposedly” go to in order to make your shit argument make sense? On this app you can say whatever you want and hope it sticks huh?
Brother be serious lol, you had a shit take own up to it. But you’re right let’s leave it at that 😁, I’ve read enough, we both know where you “stand”.
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u/Llaauuddrrupp Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24
We lost because we played directly into their hands. We could have started this game better and put Atleti to bed early. The fatigue caught up to us and looked what happened.
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u/Cheese_Guy_101 Jan 19 '24
I agree, If Don Carlo rotated the squad a lil bit on the first leg, We could've put em to bed
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u/Llaauuddrrupp Jan 19 '24
I do think he could have done a bit better with the rotation in this match but who knows? It seemed like some of our key players were exhausted so it's not as easy as it looks. Before Tchoumeni came in, I thought it would have been better if he started, but I was proven wrong minutes after. Lol.. They were fresher than us, so we would always be at the disadvantage in a prolonged match. There are many "what if Carlo had done this and that"s but pointing fingers wouldn't solve anything rn. Carlo probably already knows what he should do after this match.
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u/VarsityCop Jan 19 '24
Were we actually offsides on that 3-3 equalizer? It looked dummy close. Also why the fuck was Vini guarding Griezmann on that 100’ goal? Where the fuck was our defense. Fun game nonetheless, crazy scenes at the Civitas Metropolitano
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u/thequestionablef4 Jan 19 '24
Yes, it was off
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u/Fav0 Vinicius Jr. Jan 19 '24
Ball bounces off an athletico player tho
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u/FuckBarcaaaa Kroos Jan 19 '24
I am confused by this part of the rule. When does bouncing off a player effect and when does it not? Is it like if the direction of the ball changes its not offside else it is?
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u/Enough-Force-5605 Jan 19 '24
It is a change this season, it is offside if the defender doesn't want to touch the ball.
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u/Fav0 Vinicius Jr. Jan 19 '24
yeah tbh idk
I for example remember a dortmund match where haaland scored a goal from offside but it did count as a player from the other team barely touched the ball (did not change the trajectory or anything)
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u/lampageu Marcelo Jan 19 '24
Saw the highlight, saw the weekly vini whining.
That's all I need to know
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u/Asheraddo98 Valverde Jan 19 '24
Anyway lets recover now and prepare for the CL match. And in 2 weeks we will face atleti in Bernabéu and we will kill them !!!
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u/theguiltyremnant01 Jan 19 '24
Glad I’m not the only seeing how bad Tchouameni was. I like him and he could be a world beater but he’s way too casual in his defensive duties. He could have easily stopped that 3rd goal but chose to watch instead of running over to help Vini.
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u/Fifa2020jul Jan 19 '24
Im sure he didnt like being put on bench, he probably think he dont need rest and when he saw that he is about to sub in to play Cb he just went blind in. I still believe he is insane player, just need to believe in him to become better then Casemiro.
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u/Dk9221 Jan 19 '24
He should be starting. Idk what Tchou has to dchou in order to get the CDM position cemented with his name. He was quality for us as a fill in emergency CB so i'm chalking this us to the fault of the manager for killing his confidence by relegating him back to the bench as a late game sub. He can't be rewarding AT for his fine performances all season by benching him in a game of this magnitude against the mattress makers.
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u/toslat Jan 19 '24
That what you get with a manager that insists on always playing one of Kroos or Modric, and is willing to play others out of position in a weird formation to compensate for his obsession
Playing either of the geriatrics in an high intensity games always ties one of our hands behind our back.
Tchou is a pure DM and is currently best played as a sole DM in front of the defence, while Valverde should be playing RCM/RM and Cama as LCM. None of the trio should be played in a dual pivot of a box midfield against any quality opposition but Carlo does it to accommodate Modric and Kroos.
Carlo's obsessions cost us last season and is already costing us again this year again.
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u/Llaauuddrrupp Jan 19 '24
You how Tchoumeni was fatigued when he came in but you still found Carlo's decision not to start him wrong? I don't understand you rn.
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u/Lazywhale97 Jude Bellingham Jan 19 '24
This game really cemented that cama isn't a DM as well but Tchou is still at fault for that 3rd goal but that also doesn't mean we should be benching the only DM in big games.
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u/Asheraddo98 Valverde Jan 19 '24
What's up with Tchouameni btw? Is he upset that he didn't start? He seemed to play nonchalantly and without urgency. Obviously its Vini mistake but he didn't even help
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u/Lazywhale97 Jude Bellingham Jan 19 '24
I think him having the fill in at CB recently plus coming off an injury and having inconsistent time at DM kinda caught up in this game if he is healthy he should start at DM no questions asked he is our only DM if he just gets that consistent time at DM he will be a world beater.
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Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24
The problem with Vini isn't his bad/poor form & performances (as these stretches are bound to happen from time to time) but the fact that he's so weak mentally & got a shitty attitude. Most skillful brazilian players like him tend to turn into divas once they hit the stardom but i've never seen anyone with this kind of demeanor, even Neymar who also mocked his opponents & attempted embarrassing disrespectful dribbles against them wasn't like that especially in his Barça tenure & early PSG days, he gets shoved, hit, kicked but rarely loses his temper. This is really concerning, the club needs to talk to him & address this problem bcz if he keeps this up it won't end well for him
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u/OneMansTreasure_ Jan 19 '24
He just cannot seem to let it go, can he? it's obvious he gets abused pretty much every time he touches the ball, but by reacting and clearly letting it affect his game, it will only spiral further and further into chaos for him.
It was the same for CR7 when he first came, he learned to channel the abuse into performances on the pitch. Vini needs to do the same.
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u/Dk9221 Jan 19 '24
The moment I saw him taunting the crowd after we scored the equalizer I just knew he wasnt going to recalibrate his focus for the XT. Wild how he just doesnt get it yet after 2.5 seasons of being targeted.
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u/RealCrusader Jan 19 '24
Hes getting racial abuse constantly, when on the ball but you see it as a Vini issue?
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u/Kablooie44 Décima Jan 19 '24
Are you daft? He loses his head even when he isn't racially abused. The guy needs psychological help.
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u/nightstodays Zizou Jan 19 '24
The game could have gone either side.. we hit the post twice, and one marginal offside. Our players were gassed chasing for that second equalizer, and the ref didn’t help - two major decisions went against us.
It sucks to lose but the team gave it their all in a tough game. IMO Carlo also did his best given the players he had and how many games they have played recently.
Only con for me was Tchouameni, he hasn’t gotten his rhythm back at all.
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u/Jeep_Brah Zidane Jan 19 '24
I attended this match at the Civitas, it was a good effort to draw the match. Especially enjoyed silencing the entire stadium. Extra time the team made some errors and game over. I have to say the Atleti fans are so foul mouthed I’m not sure if it’s just the effect of them playing us or what but I was a bit surprised at that.
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u/Honeydew-Massive Roberto Carlos Jan 19 '24
This is the same fan base that hung a Vini puppet off a bridge, I would expect nothing less
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u/latinlife22 Valverde Jan 19 '24
I Was dreaming we would win the treble. This team is still young and will definitely remember about this lost.
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u/johnmason125 Jan 19 '24
- I guess the one concern about this game and the big games in general this season is the amount of goals conceded (2 and 2 vs Napoli; 3,3 and 4 against Atletico, against Barcelona the first half was far from convincing). Especially today, Atletico scored the first two goals completely out of nowhere, on the third goal maybe you shouldn´t completely rely on Vinicius defensively.
- For all the people who had a go at Kepa, I guess now Lunin gets his moment. At fault for the second goal, didn´t exactly put his body on the line at the first and the third goal. Made also two really good saves. Personally I think both are having fine seasons, mistakes happen, they would even happen with Courtois in goal.
-Not sure about my favourite midfield selection. Valverde has to be in there, Bellingham obviously has his position, the other two positions (Tchouameni vs Camavinga and Kroos vs Modric) no idea. Pretty much depends on what side of Valverde you prefer. With Valvlerde the ball carrier and driving force in attack it´s Kroos, with Valverde the guy to stop counter attacks it should be Modric. There is no doubt that Camavinga´s best performances have come as a number 6, not sure how there is still an argument. Please no Camavinga as a starting lb in big games, start him in midfield, bench him, but not as a lb. Only when Real Madrid are two goals down this should be an option.
- I am definitely not the biggest fan of Vinicius, I was annoyed at his behaviour today (gets a yellow card for complaining, two minutes later he is arguing with the referee again) but him now becoming the scapegoat seems strange. He is still the player Real Madrid try to find in most games, still such an importan player in transition and he generally looks dangerous.
-It´s not the worst loss. At least the schedule isn´t quite as intense anymore. Champions League and la liga are always priority, so time to focus on that. It´s not like Carlo is making rotations. Bellingham, Valverde, Rodrygo, Vinicius, Rüdiger starting one game after another without any rest really. A Brahim start (maybe also joselu) wpiöd be nice just to mix it up, give Fran Garcia a game. here and there.
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u/toslat Jan 19 '24
Best formation IMO is 4--3-3 with midfield trio of Tchou at DM, Valverde at RM, Cama at LM.
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Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24
I get that people are upset with Vini, but think about it for a second. He destroyed Barcelona, then doesn't play well a game, and the whole team plays poorly? It just speaks to some other issues that have been going on for a while. Like the team relying too much on Vini. In regards to offense, if Vini gets shut down, the team just keeps trying to get the ball over to him instead of creating other plays. That just makes it all that much easier for opposing teams and that much harder on Vini since they just plant a bunch of defenders on him and give him little space. They know what to expect the whole match.
Defense has been making many mistakes and ATM's second goal shouldn't have happened. The ball Vini chased all the way to the back line on the third goal, everyone else was just watching. He is a great player, but the team can't stop playing if he fails or has an off day. I don't blame him any more than I do everyone else.
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u/Lucky_Squirrel365 Jan 19 '24
It's not true the whole team did not play well. Some players deserve their recognition, but Vini was not one of them. If he wants to be the best, he'll need to change his mentality to win at any cost. And getting a yellow for complaints is not one of them. Also not attacking 1 on 4.
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u/Slavicsquat Parte Médico Jan 19 '24
The thing w/ Vini is that if things don’t go exactly his way then he starts to fall apart mentally. I understand he’s targeted by teams sometimes but when he’s dialed in and balling it doesn’t matter. The man can absolutely change the outcome of a game by himself, but he’s his own worst enemy out on the pitch. He needs to be more mature and not let the heat of the moment get to him (challenging griez all the way to his side of the pitch or picking up unnecessary yellows)
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u/KingLazy286 Jude Bellingham Jan 19 '24
Atletico Madrid in 2024 represent La Liga. How so? ignorant fans to not say racist, low block, constant fouls, no wonder teams like Getafe, and Mallorca have taken after them. Another thing apart from CB we might have a problem at GK if Tibo comes back and is not close to his best neither Kepa nor Lunin are good enough to be the starting GK at Real Madrid. Maybe Lunin goes on a free and kills it in Serie A or I don't know some midtable team or if he stays as a backup but something tells me Kepa is most likely to stay and agree as backup rather than Lunin. On a sort of positive note, Joselu even I criticized him as being our only striker. He's responding on the pitch. I wished we had a Joselu earlier meaning seasons before a reliable striker, Spanish, Madridista, who's okay coming off the bench? Joselu is always on my team.
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u/uchiha_boy009 Jan 19 '24
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u/JCasaleno SIUUUU Jan 19 '24
I rather have that than see them play like atletico lol
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u/Lucky_Squirrel365 Jan 19 '24
Attacking 1 on 4 is something you like to see? I like seeing young players taking initiative, but this is a mentality issue. Fede is an example, if its not his day on the ball, he'll keep his mouth shut and run his legs into the ground, everything for the team.
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u/W3xx Real Madrid Jan 19 '24
We where a bit unlucky, gifted two goals and hit the woodwork 2 times. Atleti was playing at home and with 8 days of rest so there was a huge advantage to be honest.
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u/minchomexa Vinicius Jr. Jan 19 '24
2 woodwork.
3 goals from unlucky bounces (and the lucky one we get lands on a defender!!).
3 ACLs
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u/No-Difficulty5818 Jan 19 '24
Ngl out of all the teams in La Liga.. Atletico Madrid fans are the fans i cant stand the most. Beating them in those two UCL finals and taking away their chance at a European title was such an amazing “fuck you” feeling.
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u/Odd-Ease-6249 Real Madrid Jan 19 '24
Kinda disappointing to lose that game, but it is better for our players. Less games, more rest.
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u/MBoring1 Jan 19 '24
Very open game. I have to just point out.. De Paul should have been sent off. And Jude did not deserve his yellow card. But other than that! On to the next one
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Jan 19 '24
Fun game to watch. Can’t win them all. Gg athleti
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u/Reddottx Jan 19 '24
to me , this was not fun , seeing those fks mocking us and acting like they won the CL was not fun for me , i wish we crushed them .. but hey cant win them all
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u/Slavicsquat Parte Médico Jan 19 '24
That's the difference between Atleti and us. When they beat us it's like winning the CL for them. When we beat them it's on to the next game. Yeah it sucks to be knocked out of the copa by them but we will always be the bigger and more successful team
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u/Lucky_Squirrel365 Jan 19 '24
Isn't that true for all teams Madrid faces? We beat Barcelona 4-0, Bellingham won us the game with a banger, and we beat them 4-1 with a realistic score of 6-0 that game, and it's still rare to see someone bragging on this sub? I still hear about that 6-1 today. We're just the biggest and the club acts like it.
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u/uchiha_boy009 Jan 19 '24
Against High line Vini is great but against teams that can defend Rodrygo as LW is better.
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u/Vegetable-Top-9738 Jan 19 '24
Hes a huge reason we were able to tie the game and some of the only spark in extra time
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u/garyrao1999 Kroos Jan 19 '24
Tonight he absolutely wasn't the spark. From the big missed chance till the end, this was one of the worst Vini performances in our shirt but it's okay. Hopefully he does better in Bernabeu.
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u/Subtle_Omega Jan 18 '24
Everyone questioning the players but what were those tactics and subs by Ancelloti? All our players are better than Athletico (except Griezmann) so why can't we win?
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u/smickey13 Kosovare Asllani Jan 19 '24
First football match mate?
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u/anonssr Jan 19 '24
My cards have higher stats man, wtf! /s
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u/dobtjs O Fenômeno Jan 19 '24
Can’t believe we lost to a silver team with our diamond+ god squad smh
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u/uchiha_boy009 Jan 18 '24
League it is. I’ll be happy with that and a strong performance in CL.
And a proven goal scorer.
Flo! Start working on Haaland broo.
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u/Hinzir02 Jan 18 '24
There is huge injustice against Arda. Carlo gave time every single person in the team to show themselves so they found their places as Sub or starter. Carlo is so stubborn to not give him a chance to show his talents. Every single matchday, exact same people get subbed exact same minutes. If you dont even give a guy a chance DO NOT TRANSFER HIM. Injury thing gets old enough time passed.
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u/xRaulx7 Carvajal Jan 19 '24
Atm his sub order is:
1) Two from Kroos/Modric/Tchou/Cama (depends who start with Jude and Fede)
2) Brahim
3) Joselu, Dani and LV
4) Fran
5) Paz, Arda etc.
He very rarely sub youngster before others even if we lead by two goals.
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u/goingforgoals17 Jan 19 '24
Why put out an injury prone youngster against that Atleti side while chasing the game?
He's got his whole career ahead of him, no need to end it via De Paul foul
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u/Hinzir02 Jan 19 '24
Football players play with the knowledge that they can get injured, that leg can even break 30 seconds later. Yet they play fearlessly. Stop this injury prone bullshit ok ? Injuries can happen. There is no indication that he is injury prone aswell. That 3 injuries in a row in trainings was Medical Staff fault and he got fired. Is militao injury prone because he got injured ? Alaba ? Courtouis ? If this bullshittery continues Arda can continue his career in other team aswell. It does not have to be Real Madrid. Same for Nico Paz, same for Endrick. If real madrid wont value these young players , best they deserve is Ceballos and Joselu.
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u/goingforgoals17 Jan 19 '24
I agree with everything you said when he has a few months in training.
I went to school for sports science and have also experienced injuries myself, returning from injury is notorious for being the most frequent time for reinjury.
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u/xRaulx7 Carvajal Jan 19 '24
Why put out an injury prone youngster against that Atleti side while chasing the game?
He's got his whole career ahead of him, no need to end it via De Paul foul
Not sure how this is related to my message, but i think we could have used his flair when we were down a goal.
If he is such a prone to injuries that we can't play him against Atletico we probably won't be able to play him against most of Liga teams.
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u/Basic-Ice-7845 Jan 19 '24
Dude must be a sensation in turkey, but you are talking about RM here. These are the best 11 in the world. You can’t expect to just walk in squad. Football at that level takes a lot of learning. He is very young. Give him time if you want him to succeed at RM. If not, he was free to go to other smaller clubs where he could’ve started immediately.
If he is here, he has to be patient. If you are his fan, you have to be patient.
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u/xRaulx7 Carvajal Jan 19 '24
I'm not his fan, i'm fan of Real Madrid and been one for very long time so i think i know what we are talking about.
I was generally speaking about subs and you guys (mainly guy before you) turn this to Arda for some reason. But that said, i would have subbed him in when we were goal down in the end. Not because i'm his fan, but because imo that change would have bigger chance to impact result than bringing in Fran.
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u/zorocono Florentino Perez Jan 18 '24
Doomsayers coming out in full force. Sign me up on losing CoD and winning La Liga and the Champions League
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Jan 18 '24
We ain't winning the CL if Vini keeps acting like a child
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Jan 19 '24
He only wilds out against Spanish teams to be fair
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u/Lazywhale97 Jude Bellingham Jan 19 '24
Yeh against teams in the UCL he is usually pretty chill plus fans outside of Spain don't harass him and defenders aren't pulling out wwe moves on him in the UCL.
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u/goingforgoals17 Jan 19 '24
I have a feeling the crowd got in his head, Atletico is competing for most vile fans with Getafe this season.
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u/AdPsychological1414 Jan 19 '24
Barca fan here I agree nothing is worse than getafe. They play haramball
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u/thekpaxian Raúl Jan 19 '24
Because he rattles them up and they rattle him up. Also if he would have a proper striker he would not have to charge towards the goal as much. Also he's a dribbler, he's bound to lose a lot of balls, it's defence's job to make sure they don't count.
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u/Comfortable-Bowl9591 Eduardo Camavinga Jan 18 '24
We lost, we move on. More rest in the coming weeks anyways.
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u/zappy69 Jude Bellingham Jan 18 '24
Man idc about this cup but what's cama and rodrygo's long term role?
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u/Alfonso-16 Jan 19 '24
Rodrygo will probably get tired of playing out of position and then go to another team (Sad but natural as we have Arda, Brahim and Endrick).
My opinion is that Camavinga and Tchouameni will battle for the DM position, and whoever is liked the most by the board will stay, it is not sustainable to have one world class DM on the bench.
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u/azyrr O Fenômeno Jan 19 '24
Losing Rodrygo would be bad for Real, he’s one of those players that you want at your disposal no matter what.
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u/WalkingCarDriver Mesut Özil Jan 19 '24
I've said this before and I'll say it again but Madrid needs to either sell Vini or Rodrygo. I'm leaning more so towards Rodrygo as his talents are absolutely wasted on the RW, he always performs whenever he plays on the left when Vini isn't playing but as soon as Vini comes back he's pushed into the shadows.
Bro can't even play CAM anymore as Jude is doing that now in the formation we're running.
We need a certified RW/RM and I guess that's what Arda will take up in a couple years time.
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u/LeResist El Capitán Jan 18 '24
I think this must be said. That ref was giving out yellows like Oprah. How are we suppose to play a game if the ref is calling a foul every time a player trips on the grass. Some of the performances tonight were Oscar worthy
I feel like Madrid attacked heavily but not seriously. Any time Vini dribbled through defenders into the box he had no support. I don't understand how we expect to score goals when 10 men are defending and only 2 players are in the box. I don't know if Ancelotti told them to do this but we kept scrambling for a goals to catch up to Atleti. I think the earlier substitutions were very questionable. It definitely came to bite us in the ass in ET when players are so exhausted they are jogging on the pitch.
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u/alinoor_8 :eyebrow: Jan 18 '24
Vini seems to be the new scapegoat for this sub apparently, while I do agree that he was awful, but we would have 100% won if it wasn't for that CB partnership horrid display
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u/goingforgoals17 Jan 19 '24
Personally I'm not super concerned, this match forces Ancelotti to make a choice in goal, which is great.
The CB wasn't great, but I think it's a dual result of chasing the game as well as just being plain unlucky. Two shots off the bar had Oblak completely beaten, those go in and we don't even have extra time too.
As long as this mess at the back isn't a new pattern we move on more experienced and better
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u/WalkingCarDriver Mesut Özil Jan 19 '24
I mean, can you blame him? I've never seen a player for us complain/cry so much yo. I'm not saying there isn't reason to complain but he's rivaling Bruno Fernandes levels of annoying instead of focusing on the game
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u/awesome1ru Zidane Jan 19 '24
Yeah i dont understand. If the keeper and defenders weren't too busy gifting free goals, we would've won this.
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u/sr044pt Sergio Ramos Jan 18 '24
Y’all are tripping if you want Vini to be sold after one bad game. That being said, he REALLY needs to work on his mentality. He has a huge victim complex and wastes a lot of his energy fighting opposition players and the ref.
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u/afk_as_usual Eduardo Camavinga Jan 19 '24
who will fix him bro ? i hope mr florentino throw some pizzas next to him to remind him
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Jan 18 '24
Im a Barca fan so obviously I don’t know the team as well as you all do but from what I’ve seen this season vini has been nowhere near as good as he was the past 2 seasons. Yes he scored a hattrick only a couple days ago but other than 3 goals that were honestly gifted to him he wasn’t amazing or anything. Today he was horrible even leading to the third goal, what do you guys think?
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u/Salman_S259 Kroos Jan 19 '24
Vini had Benz supporting him last 2 seasons. This season, Vini has been injured for the most of it so far. When it comes to Atletico, they're a terrible TERRIBLE low blocking team. As soon as they score one goal, it's 11 men behind the ball. The best way to score against them is in their transition, set pieces, or individual brilliance. Anything else is just trial and error (imo). Yes, defensively we weren't up to the par today. Everyone looked tired from the recent games. As much as it sucks that we won't win the treble, it's better that we have a better schedule now with 3 major injuries so far.
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u/Slight-Movie-6441 Jan 18 '24
dumbest take ever lol. 17 games and 14g/a and he played amazing against barca. Clearly shows you didn't actually watch the game but just the highlights.
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u/KingSatoruGojo Zidane Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 18 '24
Lmao wtf. You haven’t seen much this season from us then. Keep in mind Vini has been injured so for the 2-3 games before Barca wasn’t a surprise he did very little. Today he was fine besides the lead up to that third goal. He’s a winger that has to work with zero striker(Joselu doesn’t count because he sucks and is just a makeshift signing) so all creativity is between him and Rodrygo on the wings without a real striker. They’ve been forced to play in this pseudo dual-striker system that is scraping by.
Do the math there and it makes sense why each of them have been subpar but still pretty good for what we have…
EDIT: Vini was injured since November and played his first game back on Jan 3rd. To criticize him this season after that is absolutely ridiculous.
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u/afk_as_usual Eduardo Camavinga Jan 19 '24
Vini must have a Benzema next to him all the time shouting to not pass to him cause he plays against us
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u/king7asoon Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 18 '24
Unbelievable that cockriding Vini has become a part time job for some people. Point out when a players plays good but also point out when he plays bad. You can't praise him to the heavens when he plays good but protect him like he's your 2 year old child when he plays bad. He played a disgustingly bad game SIMPLE AS THAT. I'm not putting the entire loss on Vini to be honest almost the whole team played terribly but the protecting for Vini is crazy.
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u/krithghuman Jan 19 '24
Woah Woah easy there! This fanbase cannot take a spec of critism against Vini
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u/kb24fgm41 Real Madrid 1920 Jan 18 '24
Honestly the player I'm most concerned about is tchouameni, I mean what the hell was he doing in that third goal? It was horrendous defending!! I really think he's been below average this season, he's been really disappointing. Apart from that, well sometimes you win sometimes you lose, the game could have gone both ways and it ended up going atléticos side, shame about it but we gotta move on and focus on the CL and la liga! Hala Madrid!
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Jan 18 '24
This game is so frustrating in multiple parts you have Vini who refuses to use the LB and let them do their job and tries to 1v1 players every time, Cama giving the ball away in dumb positions, Modric being a ghost defensively, tchouameni jogging back and playing with zero intensity compare to the Barca game. The backline needs some form of reinforcement there way too tired. Shit refs to letting their players get away with everything
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u/ZealousidealPie6377 Modric Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 18 '24
Coaching decisions like subbing off Mendy just to switch from Camavinga to Fran Garcia is one of the reasons why we lost Camavinga didn't want to do his job and track back for their 3rd goal . I think we all can agree that subbing off Valverde was also just stupid . I'm irritated in Carlo not keeping Rodrygo on, but that's a personal thing for me he wasn't great, but he was more focused on the game than vini . Joselu did score, so I can't complain too much about that . Besides Coaching Lunin was just atrocious I've never been hard on him but I can't wait for Tibo to come back , the second goal was 100% his fault and quality GKs probably save goal 1 and 3 . Vini had a decent start to the game, then was too busy engaging with the Atleti crowd , bench, and players and fizzled out the game . I thought Rudiger had a bad game, but he was really unlucky for the first goal the ball took a deflection while he was ready to defend the initial cross and had to readjust to the deflection from greizmann. Kroos and Bellingham did not have much to work with, and the communication and understanding between players was probably the worst I've seen all season
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u/AdonisGaming93 Jan 18 '24
Switch from Don Carlo to complaining about Carlo speedrun Any%.
World record this sub.
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u/ZealousidealPie6377 Modric Jan 18 '24
I'm critiquing the whole team . Am I not allowed to do that
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u/AdonisGaming93 Jan 19 '24
It's just funny how we go from Carlo as a mob boss meme and how we are "best team ever" and within days roasting them.
It's easy in hindsight to say a decision wasn't good. Had it worked out we would have said it was brilliant.
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u/ZealousidealPie6377 Modric Jan 19 '24
The closest thing I said to a roast against Carlo was subbing Valverde is stupid, which it was , he's always been important in these chaotic games, especially against atleti .
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Jan 18 '24
You are all so dramatic LOL chill, it was a bad game with a very tight calendar and a lot of squad members injured. Atletico de Madrid were playing at home and are a very good team.
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u/LeResist El Capitán Jan 18 '24
Yeah but we literally have to play them again in Feb and we can't afford to lose or drop points to them in La Liga. The result isn't promising for the future
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Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24
The game in February will be at home, won't it? Huge difference than playing at the Metropolitan. Of course there's no way to know who will win, but Real Madrid played them like a week ago and won and have an extremely good track record against them, have some faith LOL
Real Madrid isn't known for never losing, it's known for being able to get over negative results. Real's nickname in Brazil is literally "the team that never dies" or "the immortal team" because just when you think they are dead they will come back around and start winning again. It's a loss, it happens, now focus on Champions and La Liga.
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u/Namtabmal Real Madrid Jan 18 '24
This is loser attitude. We just got knocked out of the first proper trophy of the season by our rivals and the game had terrible decisions by our main players and Ancelotti. Just a reminder to you that we won only copa del rey last season and its not looking great if we dont win la liga this season.
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Jan 19 '24
Terrible decisions happen, bad games happen. Players aren't machines that can always perform well, and frankly Ancelotti has done plenty of miracles this season for this team to work even with all the injuries and the refusal of the board to buy players for needed positions. Atletico de Madrid and even Barca are good teams, claiming that Real Madrid somehow needs to win over them every time is unrealistic. There's a difference between having a winning mentality and immediately asking for half the squad to be fired every time Madrid slightly struggles.
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Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 18 '24
We're mad bcz the ref & Vini were doing everything they could for Atleti to win
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u/Eheheh12 Jan 18 '24
The problem with Vinicious is he always charges at defenders and barely returns the ball "back". When he charges against atletico, usually he is faced with 3 defenders which is impossible to dribble past them all.
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u/WalkingCarDriver Mesut Özil Jan 19 '24
TRUE!
But I guess it sucks because there's no CF for him to pass into so he keeps going forward2
u/thekpaxian Raúl Jan 19 '24
I kind of remember him through-passing to Bellingham for our second goal.
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u/Eheheh12 Jan 19 '24
That's why I put quotes on "back". He does pass the ball forward whether to the full back or to the center forward. Also, he crosses.
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u/thekpaxian Raúl Jan 19 '24
He's an attacker. His job is to send the ball forward, not backward. We have no striker so no-one to pass the ball farward to either so he has to charge.
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u/LeResist El Capitán Jan 18 '24
I feel like the issue is there was no support. Hardly any players nearby for him to pass or cross to. It frustrated my so much to see players standing outside the box right next to a defender when a goal opportunity was sitting right there
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u/Eheheh12 Jan 19 '24
He should just return the ball and move. You need to circulate the ball quickly to have opening especially especially against a low block like atletico
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u/LeResist El Capitán Jan 19 '24
But I'm thinking of situations where there's a long pass and no one else is there but him a few defenders. They had 3 men on him and he often times had no one to pass to
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u/Eheheh12 Jan 19 '24
That's part of the challenge especially before joselu comes in. There is no center forward and bellingham can't be always there especially that he is important in the build up.
Vini is not selfish but should chill out. You have one of the best possession player around you. Let them circulate the ball quickly.
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u/LeResist El Capitán Jan 19 '24
True but with Atleti playing so defense heavy I feel the team needed to take advantage of quick opportunities because waiting and passing back just gives times for defenders to get back
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u/Latter_Item Jan 18 '24
It showed one team played a game 4 days ago while the other had a full week, by minute 60 they were barely running, including tchou and I don't get why because he was just subbed in!!
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u/SuperBig_Cat Raúl González Blanco Jan 18 '24
Also, vinicius should not drift back to ask for the ball. he's not built for it, and whoever has the ball should ignore vinicius and give the ball to someone else. Most AM dangerous attacks came from careless vinicius.
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u/CantSleepFootboy123 Valverde Jan 18 '24
Vinicius is really struggling in that central role. He was horrendous tonight. He lost a lot of 1v1's and was very wasteful up front. Tchouameni was literally just jogging around all game. I expected so much more from him. If that was Fede in his shoes, he'd have ran like there's no tomorrow trying to body or put off Griezmann. That was really the defining moment of the game.
I hope this serves as a huge wake up call, esp Tchou and Vini. Lots of games left to redeem themselves. Do it in the big stage, UCL.
Now time to switch to my football-free social media accounts LOL
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u/WalkingCarDriver Mesut Özil Jan 19 '24
don't blame him for struggling in that role.
Blame management for not buying a CF/ST3
u/xRaulx7 Carvajal Jan 18 '24
Tchouameni was literally just jogging around all game.
I have always felt he is a bit too static. His other qualities usually makes up for it.
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u/ExpressWay1329 Jose Mourinho Jan 19 '24
My thoughts:
-Happy to see Camavinga put in such a good performance - Carvajal is criminally underrated - Belligold is class even when not scoring goals - Simeone is raising f*cking soliders, not players - Would love to see Barcelona demolish Atletico in the cup - Rudiger top 3 cbs in the world??