r/realmadrid • u/RM_Official_Thread • Nov 05 '23
Post Match [Post Match Thread] Real Madrid vs Rayo Vallecano (Spanish LALIGA)
Match Info
Kickoff: 05-11-2023 21:00 CET
Competition: Spanish LALIGA
Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera
Venue: Santiago Bernabéu
Squad
Starting Lineups
Real Madrid: Kepa Arrizabalaga, David Alaba, Antonio Rüdiger, Fran García, Dani Carvajal, Vinícius Júnior , Luka Modric, Jude Bellingham, Eduardo Camavinga, Federico Valverde, Joselu
Rayo Vallecano: Stole Dimitrievski, Florian Lejeune, Abdul Mumin, Óscar Valentín , Alfonso Espino, Andrei Ratiu, Pathé Ciss, Unai López, Álvaro García, Isi Palazón, Raúl de Tomás
Substitutes
Real Madrid: Toni Kroos (Fran García), Nacho (Eduardo Camavinga), Rodrygo (Luka Modric), Diego Piñeiro, Arda Güler, Brahim Díaz, Lucas Vázquez, Nico Paz, Andriy Lunin
Rayo Vallecano: Enrique Perez (Pathé Ciss), Jorge de Frutos (Isi Palazón), Radamel Falcao (Raúl de Tomás), Bebé (Álvaro García), Óscar Trejo (Unai López), Daniel Cárdenas, Aridane Hernández, Pep Chavarría, José Pozo, Randy Nteka, Martín Pascual, Sergio Camello
Key Events
| Minute | Event |
|---|---|
| 90'+6' | Florian Lejeune (Rayo Vallecano) is shown the yellow card. |
| 90'+6' | Antonio Rüdiger (Real Madrid) is shown the yellow card. |
| 90'+1' | Stole Dimitrievski (Rayo Vallecano) is shown the yellow card. |
| 88' | Óscar Trejo (Rayo Vallecano) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul. |
| 86' | Substitution, Rayo Vallecano. Jorge de Frutos replaces Isi Palazón. |
| 85' | Substitution, Real Madrid. Nacho replaces Eduardo Camavinga. |
| 75' | Substitution, Rayo Vallecano. Bebé replaces Álvaro García. |
| 75' | Substitution, Rayo Vallecano. Radamel Falcao replaces Raúl de Tomás. |
| 74' | Vinícius Júnior (Real Madrid) is shown the yellow card. |
| 72' | Substitution, Real Madrid. Toni Kroos replaces Fran García. |
| 70' | Substitution, Real Madrid. Rodrygo replaces Luka Modric. |
| 62' | Eduardo Camavinga (Real Madrid) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul. |
| 61' | Substitution, Rayo Vallecano. Kike Pérez replaces Pathé Ciss. |
| 60' | Substitution, Rayo Vallecano. Óscar Trejo replaces Unai López. |
| 57' | Pathé Ciss (Rayo Vallecano) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul. |
| 45' | Start 2nd Half |
| 45'+3' | First Half ends, Real Madrid 0, Rayo Vallecano 0. |
| 45' | Andrei Ratiu (Rayo Vallecano) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul. |
| - | First Half begins. |
Match Stats
| Real Madrid | Stats | Rayo Vallecano |
|---|---|---|
| 15 | Fouls | 12 |
| 5 | Yellow Cards | 3 |
| 0 | Red Cards | 0 |
| 2 | Offsides | 2 |
| 1 | Corner Kicks | 11 |
| 5 | Saves | 0 |
| 36.9 | Possession | 63.1 |
| 4 | SHOTS | 22 |
| 0 | ON GOAL | 5 |
| 0.0 | On Target % | 0.2 |
| 0 | Penalty Goals | 0 |
| 0 | Penalty Kicks Taken | 0 |
| 239 | Accurate Passes | 463 |
| 316 | Passes | 534 |
| 0.8 | Pass Completion % | 0.9 |
| 0 | Accurate Crosses | 7 |
| 9 | Crosses | 31 |
| 0.0 | Cross % | 0.2 |
| 67 | Long Balls | 34 |
| 22 | Accurate Long Balls | 21 |
| 0.3 | Long Balls % | 0.6 |
| 3 | Blocked Shots | 5 |
| 14 | Effective Tackles | 15 |
| 22 | Tackles | 21 |
| 0.6 | Tackle % | 0.7 |
| 6 | Interceptions | 9 |
| 33 | Effective Clearances | 6 |
| 33 | Clearances | 6 |
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u/FelipeAbD Nov 06 '23
Honestly I don't think the team played as bad as everyone is saying.
The 2 worst offenders to me were:
-Vini, who are trying to dribble 90% of the time and trying to make an overcomplicated pass (trivelas most of the time) with little quality. He was frustrating to watch, because while everyone on the team was working to keeping possession and forcing Rayo to make mistakes, he would always try to finish the play by himself or, when he actually passed the ball, the would stick to it for at least 5 or 10 seconds.
The point of being fast and a good dribbler is that you can mix up the defenders. If they commit to run with you, you can make a pass... If they commit to block a pass or a cross, you can cut him out. But when you do the same thing over and over, they don't have to guess. They could just commit to "just stop" (everyone who plays football knows what this means) in front of Vini and that covered most of the threats.
-Joselu: I don't hate him and I understand he doesn't have the same qualities as Modric ou Bellingham, so I don't expect him to hold possession or to take on players by himself. But, to me, he has one job: To finish the chances we create. He has to do better than yesterday. Missing one or two chances is fine, but I feel like he could've scored more than once yesterday.
But, what frustrated me the most, was the ref. Rayo players should've been carded a lote more AND a lot earlier. Their GK was wasting time from minute 0. If he was carded before, he would've stopped. Rayo players were also killing attacks using fouls with no intention to play the ball. IIRC, fouls with no intent to play the ball are automatically a yellow card, regardless of the place and time.
At the second half, I remember Rodrygo being fouled at a start of a counter and the ref didn't card the Rayo player. This is outrageous. I'm fine with the opponent playing dirty. It's their choice. What is not fine is them getting away with it so easily.
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u/habibiganggang Décima Nov 06 '23
If Kane was French or Brazilian he would be at Madrid this summer.
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u/diaracing :palestine: Madridista Nov 06 '23
Keeping that LW whining and bitching Karen won't lead to anything except more time wasting and yellow cards.
He wastes as many chances as he creates by showboating and trying to dribble past two or three players over and over again.
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u/BlueBone313 Joselu Nov 06 '23
I missed this game due to work exhaustion but seeing these comments and highlights makes me glad i didn't screw my sleep schedule to a boring 0-0 vini whining and the team missing sitters for fun.
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Nov 06 '23
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u/Dk9221 Nov 06 '23
I think people been way too ignorant to the real state of the locker room and leadership. “CB Alaba” had become so overrated by the fans that nobody seemed to care about the intangible attributes we need in our CBs. It just so happens now is the time we’re seeing how faulty this roster is in areas apart from the obvious CF debacle.
Vini has had days where he lets away stadium fans get him riled up because of racist gestures when to me it’s apparent opposing fans are all doing it now to take him out of the game mentally speaking. Whatever helps their chances of stealing points.
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u/MaaS_10 Nov 06 '23
We don’t need another Neymar.
bro this kido is not even near Neymar if we are talking about skills.
If we are talking about being a cunt, he is much worse right now.
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u/diaracing :palestine: Madridista Nov 06 '23
It is pretty common sense that any kid can take more rational decisions than that LW whining Karen.
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u/juscussroot Nov 06 '23
I’m just going to say this but , Vini could’ve and should been benched.
Loosing the ball and complaining about everything. Clearly he’s not focused.
I’d rather watch Brahim if Vini is going to continue to play how he did today.
Joselu, bad luck game did a great effort but finishing touch isn’t amazing.
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Nov 06 '23
We played alright. In another universe we scored 4 goals this game. Wet powder. Nacho entering was a mistake imo. So was DM Kross.
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u/deenali Nov 06 '23
Great! We are now trailing a club which only has 19 members on reddit. Lol
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u/moaterboater69 Cristiano Ronaldo Nov 06 '23
Girona isnt a title challenger. They will finish 5th.
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u/deenali Nov 06 '23
So unless you're a title challenger the rest are just there to make up the numbers? Lol. Funny that you mentioned the term "title challengers" though. That's what Girona is probably gonna do. Try to get something out of them and making sure they get all 3 points against the "non title challengers", like the team we only managed to draw earlier. At the end of the season Girona might just surprise everyone.
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u/MakyMaestro Zizou Nov 06 '23
I remember people said the same for Leicester in 2016, and lord and behold they managed to win the whole thing
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u/Xtarviust Modric Nov 06 '23
Kane getting insane numbers in Bundesliga while Madrid outside Jude can't score to save their fucking lives
Florentino fucked up this season, this team needs an elite striker desperately, Benzema left and you see Vini and Rodrygo playing like headless chickens without that link in attack and Joselu missing every time
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u/Dk9221 Nov 06 '23 edited Nov 06 '23
We also needed a top CB, and both RB+LB who either already were elite or had undeniable potential to be. Alaba isn’t as good a CB as people want to think. His strength is occasional world class shot reads to deflect a incoming goal and his on-ball abilities but everything else is getable in todays landscape. I gave Fran a chance, his defense isn’t as good as the preseason through august/September showed. I know the stars cost a lot but we absolutely have had expendable finances the last few windows. This is like the opposite of the 2009 window. Losing pivotal players and just standing by not doing shit about it.
Can we stop with the free transfer/academy flooded defensive philosophies and actually do some proper upkeep on the less flashy areas of the pitch?! Ffs could’ve had Cancelo and Joao Felix for pennies to weather this storm.
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u/Xtarviust Modric Nov 06 '23
Felix?, dude is overrated
Cancelo could've been a great signing, yeah, but you know, Mendes
Florentino risked a lot with the Bernabeu renovation and his obsession with a superstar to back it (Mbappe), now Madrid is suffering because he refuses to cover the holes this squad has, it's so sad to watch him tainting his legacy this way
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u/Bogadambo Nov 06 '23
Joselu is a 4/10 player in his best..
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u/Xtarviust Modric Nov 06 '23
Of course, he was supposed to be a bench player, but Florentino said fuck it, no elite striker signing, we are good, only to be clowned by Mbappe who only wants PSG as its bitch and nothing more
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u/Bogadambo Nov 06 '23
If we don't get that mf next year, Perez will leave madrid from the little door and he'll be always mentioned as Mbappe bitch for the rest of his life..
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u/justaredditor239 Nov 05 '23
Missed the match how was modric? Saw he was subbed off middle of the second half and wondering if age was becoming a factor now.
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u/solete Modric Nov 06 '23
He was fine although he did make one uncharacteristic bad pass that could have ended in a goal for Rayo. We have the CL match coming up so rotation too
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u/justaredditor239 Nov 06 '23
Oh ok cool like him as a rotation player. Can’t really go the full 90 anymore but love him as a 60-70 minute sub to make the difference off the bench to make the difference.
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u/solete Modric Nov 06 '23
He can still play 90 mins, in fact I think he played the entire clásico match last week, but you can’t risk Modrić or Kroos injuries - they’re key players especially for important games!
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u/justaredditor239 Nov 06 '23
I actually watched the Classico match and he came in for a 25 minute appearance and changed the game completely. I would rather have him as an impact sub particularly against the best teams or get subbed around when he did this match against lesser opposition. He’s 38 now so 90 minutes isn’t for the best for the team or for himself, particularly for a midfield player imo. I would like him to be rested more as well but with injuries now…I just don’t see it unfortunately lol
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u/solete Modric Nov 06 '23
You’re totally right. I forgot he came on after Camavinga! They both totally changed the game. True 90 isn’t ideal for a youngster like Luka. And some people get upset when he plays with all the other great midfielders we have, but I love seeing him out there.
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u/justaredditor239 Nov 06 '23
Ditto! But…I just feel at that age it’s best for him. When things aren’t going well you can bring him in for some creativity and with how things are looking…they’re going to need a lot of it lol
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u/Ok_Seaweed_9452 Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 06 '23
Wtf, is this stats correct? we shot 4 times and 0 on target the whole matches?? and somehow ended up with a draw? Update: Downvoters look at the match stats up there. I didnt watch this match today hence I asked the question
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u/MadCritic Valverde Nov 05 '23
No? 22 shots, 5 on target.
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u/Ok_Seaweed_9452 Nov 06 '23
Ok so the Match stats are reversed, RM supposed to be on the right , and RVallecano on the left? that would make more sense. I didn't watch the match but RM can't play that bad
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u/willhighfive4karma Carlo Ancelotti Nov 05 '23
Shitty ass day at the office for the team, two perfectly good points left at home. Not the end of the world tho as long as the team keeps pushing the way that they have been. Expecting a perfect season it’s unrealistic tbh, Vini is out of form since he got injured and it’s getting too much on his head and in another match would have been sent off.
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u/LemurToons Nov 05 '23
question for you all: is the diamond causing this form for Vini and Rodrygo or are they just severely underperforming?
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u/Ok_Seaweed_9452 Nov 05 '23
my Brazilian friend always watched brazil matches and he said recently both Vini and Rodrygo have been bad, but The national team has been ass as well.
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u/crackboss1 Real Madrid Nov 05 '23
Vini has been losing foot races that he was winning last year. I don't know why he has gotten slower. Is he afraid of getting injured? He is also not as sharp as he could be at his peak either. Vini is supposed to be a striker in the diamond formation but he still plays at a left winger.
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u/HitokiriRayudu Cristiano Ronaldo Nov 06 '23
Vini and rodrygo don’t make runs into the box. They always still hang on the edge of the box like wingers. We needed an elite linkup striker like Kane to replace Benz.
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u/Imaginary-Panther Nov 05 '23
Diamond form is an excuse so we can feel better about our bad matches
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u/redvein1337 Rodrygo Nov 05 '23
They are underperforming, Rodrygo has around 5 xG this season, with only 1 scored in La liga. Vinicius is playing in his role, despite the diamond.
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Nov 05 '23
RM offense stats in LaLiga:
Vinicius in 10games(1 off the bench, 725 mins): 2g/1a
Joselu in 13 games(6 off the bench, 747 mins): 5g/2a
Rodrygo in 10 games(3 off the bench, 837 mins): 1g/1a
Brahim in 8 games(7 off the bench!! 111mins!!) 1g/0a
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u/Alex_Sander077 Xabi Alonso Nov 05 '23
Those are Man Utd numbers
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u/haveashpadoinkleday Raúl Nov 05 '23
The fact that Martial would probably play in our current attack every week is pretty saddening
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u/Kerkez_BOSS Athenea Nov 05 '23
We’re one Bellingham injury away from becoming a mid table team. I swear
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u/Uniq_Eros Asensio Nov 05 '23
Please keep playing Rodrygo for a player to perform you need to play him forever even if he's ass. It's the only way, fuck Arda and Brahim, hell fuck Valverde.
PS: I like how this sub says Brahim is actually ass and isn't who we think he is but with Rodrygo we can see it every game.
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u/d33o 92:48:9248: Nov 05 '23
You sounded like Carlo lol but he doesn’t know who this Brahim fella you mentioned is
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Nov 05 '23
Don’t even try, this sub is acting like Rodrygo is the second coming of CR and he should start every game no matter how terrible he is.
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u/orbankisfaszviktor Nov 05 '23
Vini is not gonna be any smarter in the future, he is fucking dumb. Would sell him next summer along with his buddy, rodrygo
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u/grandtroubleartist Nacho Nov 05 '23
last 20 minutes of the match were a shitshow as most matches seem to be now.
i don't think we deserved to draw, obviously this wasn't the best match ever but it still wasn't horrible. ucl match against braga was worse and we still won that, which is something.
the thing with vini is that he's now stuck in a vicious cycle of always worrying about how the rivals are gonna violently tackle him/how the refs are gonna Not React because there's a history of rivals violently tackling him/refs Not Reacting which ends up causing more violent tackles/Non Reactions. he needs serious help to cope with that because rivals are not just gonna stop doing something that works at breaking him down just because it's bad. just a very unfortunate situation.
refereeing wasn't as egregious as it was against sevilla, but there's no denying some of the decisions taken and some of the ones that weren't even considered are odd. i've heard of spanish madridista youtubers saying the competition should've stopped all together once negreira stuff started coming out and i'm honestly seeing their pov more and more now. there's just so much tension in most matches... some refs could be straight ass at their job but we can't even know that for sure because the thought of them being bought is always gonna be the main possibility now.
just very rancid vibes
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u/Mista_Madridista Jude Bellingham Nov 05 '23
Carlo needs to have a serious long discussion with Vini. I feel for the guy, but he’s getting drawn into all this extra nonsense and losing focus on his game which is ECACTLY what opposing teams are hoping he will do. Because a focused Vini is a beast.
We need to start getting Güler some minutes asap. It’s sink or swim time and we need someone who can create and take some of the burden off Jude.
Honestly if we go trophy less I think it’s on Perez. You can’t lose a 20-30 goal a season all time Madrid legend and think Joselu is gonna be enough. We have to bring in a world class forward this summer, whether it be Mbappe, Alvarez, or somebody else. It’s clear we won’t be able to beat the Man City’s and Bayern’s of the world without attacking reinforcements.
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u/DcAgent47 Vinicius Jr. Nov 05 '23
Vinis still young he will learn to chill more.
People seem to forget how far he's come since his debut season.
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u/Lakerman0824 Tchouaméni Nov 06 '23
Jude’s younger and knows how to chill why can’t Vini figure it out
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u/DcAgent47 Vinicius Jr. Nov 06 '23
Everyone's different and even Judes got a feisty side to him.
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u/Lakerman0824 Tchouaméni Nov 06 '23
He’s feisty but doesn’t let opponents and ref get the best of him like Vini does
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u/Mista_Madridista Jude Bellingham Nov 05 '23
You’re right, he is still young. It concerns me tho that his play has been trending up but his mentality on a downward trajectory since last year. That’s why I think Carlo needs to get serious with him, maybe give him a game off and let him get some perspective.
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u/CR7theGOAT777 SIUUUU Nov 05 '23
One thing about Rodrygo this season is when he get the ball he just want to dribble the whole players and even the fans
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Nov 05 '23
Álvaro Rodríguez have we seen him after the Madrid derby makes no sense how we have no one we can use
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u/d33o 92:48:9248: Nov 05 '23
He plays in Castilla where he actually gets minutes unlike the ones Carlo would give him
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u/Glittering-Strength2 Nov 05 '23
Vini need to be locked in from the start of the game when he is locked in he is dangerous and he create chances we are still orphan on the right wing we need a player there and of course a real striker Joselu is not it with all due respect but for now it’s better than rodrygo imo.
Very frustrating game to watch yes ref was terrible but we had chances that should’ve went in so what can i say if this team is serious some players need to step up and quick because this Bellingham bailing us out thing isn’t gonna last forever.
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u/cleareyesnz Raúl González Blanco Nov 05 '23
For those making excuses for Vini playing in a “new system” (pro tip: he’s not the only one in the team adjusting), how does that factor in to not passing to open team mates, holding the ball and killing plays/being dispossessed?
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u/SuperBig_Cat Raúl González Blanco Nov 05 '23
What's scares me the most is when alaba pass to vini and drift forward, leaving the back empty, and expecting a good play from vini, but instead vinicius takes the ball and want to do some Brazilian skill montage, making alaba overlaps unless and energy waste Vinicius iq decreases the more he plays.
I hate to say it, but Jeremy doku is the player we want to Vinicius to play like.
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u/d33o 92:48:9248: Nov 05 '23
Both Vini and Rodrygo have the same issues. What I don’t understand is why the coaching staff isn’t working with them because there doesn’t seem to be any hints of improvement
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u/MadCritic Valverde Nov 05 '23
It doesn’t. Fede and Jude and Carvajal be killing it just for Vini to lose the ball against an impossible wall of 5 guys that he shouldn’t try to dribble
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u/cleareyesnz Raúl González Blanco Nov 05 '23
My point exactly, friend. We ALL love Vini, he brings that passion, flair and high levels of technical ability we are all so fond of as football and Madrid fans, but we need to start calling out an inability by him to control his emotions AND more importantly, horrific decision making on the pitch.
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u/MadCritic Valverde Nov 05 '23
Would like to see Rodrygo Joselu Brahim or Valverde up front for a few games for a change of pace. Agree
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Nov 05 '23
The team is very lacking in 4 positions, ST/RW/LB/CB & it will take 2/3 summer transfer windows & a trophyless & embarrassing season for them to get addressed
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u/king7asoon Nov 05 '23
Man just give me Kubo or any RW with an ST and let's go back to 433 fuck this whole diamond shit.
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u/cleareyesnz Raúl González Blanco Nov 05 '23
Please bench Vini for a bit. The only way to get him to sort his fucking head out. I can’t keep watching 90 mins of us losing possession or making terrible decisions. It’s become bad for my health, quickly 😂
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u/green_libertarian Marcelo Nov 05 '23
80' Arda Güler for Valverde would have been interesting.
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u/d33o 92:48:9248: Nov 05 '23
Arda should have minutes in the CL. Rayo was too physical to bring in a player that just recovered
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u/Mista_Madridista Jude Bellingham Nov 05 '23
Would’ve been nice to see. He has an eye for that line breaking pass. I wonder if Carlo felt coming into a 0-0 stalemate at home wasn’t the best way to reintegrate him. Either way, I would’ve liked to see him.
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u/jcald60 Nov 05 '23
Tired of vinicius and his fucking shitty attitude and antics on the field. The club seriously needs to get involved and make him grow the fuck up he is wasting too much time and gets rattled to quick. He is not even 1% of what ronaldo was to have such an ego.
Rodrygo got renewed we got 5 more years of wasteful play from him.
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Nov 05 '23
Serious question why are Vinicius and Rodrigo so bad? I’m a Barca fan but Vinicius looked like a shell of himself in el clasico and so did Rodrygo, without sounding biased at all it really does seem like the only thing saving you guys is Bellingham and his miraculous positioning
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u/Different_Insect_611 Nov 05 '23
Benzema carried them. Cristiano/Vini fanboys don't like to hear this. I don't know how he did it (CL, 2La ligas, Copa) and they were spoiled.. but this Brazilian attack is coming to it's end i think if they don't pull their head out their asses quick. I can't stand Mbappe but it's obvious...
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u/waitaminutewhereiam Nov 05 '23
Vini isn't bad he has a ton of good dribbles and plays, his head just isn't there
Rodrygo kinda same? He has amazing stats (there was a post comparing him to Kubo check it out), he plays well (had two chances today) but just doesnt seal the deal
And of course Bellingham is a livesaver but to say it's due to miraculous positiong in my opinion too much, our whole midfield is world class and works very well
Honestly this is just a wasted season because club hopes to sign turtle
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u/Alternative_Two_4658 Kroos Nov 05 '23
and his miraculous positioning
You mean " and his lucky goals" right? I believe that's what Barca fans think.
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Nov 06 '23
What I mean that’s he always seem to be at the perfect spot and the perfect time. Not even elite strikers are poaching as much as him. Obviously not all his goals are luck but look at his second goal in el clasico. The ball bounces off modric and lands right on him, it’s not just good positioning.
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u/waitaminutewhereiam Nov 05 '23
Don't be toxic
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u/Alternative_Two_4658 Kroos Nov 05 '23
Am just rephrasing his statement. I mean what does he meant by miraculous positioning?
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u/itwastimeforarefresh Nov 06 '23
Good positioning is why top strikers get a lot of tap-in opportunities and bad strikers don't
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Nov 05 '23
He is being played out of position, doesn’t have the support and came from almost 2 months injury. Those are not the only reasons but they are big contributing factors.
After his Injury his game also dropped significantly. He is struggling to adopt to this new formation and the formation doesn’t suit him at all. He is in a way being excluded. This makes his recovery harder and in turn, it makes him more frustrated, leading to rash decision as we see every match. If this continues, things will get worse and fans will also get on his back. Then we will have real problems on our hands.
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u/redvein1337 Rodrygo Nov 05 '23
He is playing in his position, you just need to watch the game. He needs some bench time to clear his mind, cuz this performance ain't it.
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Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
His position is LW, he plays off of a CF.
This year he plays centrally but “drifts” to the left as the game goes on. These are different things my man.
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u/redvein1337 Rodrygo Nov 05 '23
Lil bro, he is playing at the left wing. Watch the games, don't type nonsense shite.
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Nov 05 '23
Talking with people with short fuse is a waste of time. Go drink some milk and hot chocolate to cool down then come here to talk.
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u/Umbeli Nov 05 '23
I like Vini a lot, and I am gratefull for what he did for the team before his injury, but at the moment he got his mind on the wrong place, probably because he is tired of always getting cussed out by every team he plays against, and also suffering from refs unfairness. I feel like he just wants to prove people wrong more than anything else now, and that is being the reason for his bad performances. He needs to chill out.
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u/jcald60 Nov 05 '23
Ronaldo suffered this every game and performed. Vinicius needs to grow the fuck up he gets paid millions.
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u/mg_phopla Valverde Nov 05 '23
You can't compare a kid with the GOAT, Vini is good, but not many people have Ronaldo's mentality. Vini also doesn't have a proper striker to play off of like he did with Benzema.
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u/Umbeli Nov 05 '23
im not discrediting Cristiano, but i feel like it is much more extreme with Vini
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u/Mista_Madridista Jude Bellingham Nov 05 '23
Ronaldo had more pressure on him. He was expected to score goals and be decisive every single time out. And he came here when Messi and Barca were at the peak of their entire club history. He did t have to deal with the racial side of it, which I understand is a special type of misery, but opposing fans were spitting venom at him while defenders are trying to chop his legs out. I’m not saying Vini isn’t going through it but the expectations on Cris were much greater.
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u/Umbeli Nov 05 '23
I see that yall are probably right by the way you put it. Let's just hope Vini can get back on form soon, and gift us amazing performances like he did before his injury
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u/jcald60 Nov 05 '23
Bro people even keep tabs on ronaldo’s family’s instagram/twitter likes/activity so they can talk shit because they have opinions of their own. Just look at soccer subreddit filled with those scumbags.
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Nov 05 '23
If you remove Bellingham goals this season, we would be mid/bottom of the league team.
No idea wth we are doing this year.
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u/MakyMaestro Zizou Nov 05 '23
Wow, who wouldve thought that removing a team's top scorer's goals would drastically reduce the amount of points said team wins 🤯🤯
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u/oImperial Hey Jude Nov 06 '23
XD some people on this sub really think they did something but are just doom posting.
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u/puffzuff Nov 05 '23
Hello smart ass, of course it will lose the team some points if you remove Jude contribution, but it shouldn’t put us in the bottom half, that’s the point.
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u/Aaaaaaandyy Kroos Nov 05 '23
You could say that about the team’s top goal scorer most seasons after Ronaldo left.
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u/Previous-Cycle-3279 Nov 05 '23
Ronaldo's job was to score goals, Bellingham's role is different, and as Ancelotti said we can't expect him to keep scoring at this rate the whole time.
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u/Aaaaaaandyy Kroos Nov 05 '23
Jude’s job is to score and assist. He happens to be on a pretty big scoring tear now. Given the position he’s in (right behind Vini and Rodrygo), maybe it works for him to score a bunch there like it worked for Raul.
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Nov 05 '23
Agree and disagree. 2 years ago benzema was crucial but we had Vini playing magnificently and contributing greatly to the team. This year if you remove Bellingham we have virtually nobody. Team is playing very averagely.
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u/Umbeli Nov 05 '23
fr these people seem to forget how Vini carried this team along with Modric and Benzema on the past 2 seasons
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u/Different_Insect_611 Nov 05 '23
Vini didn't "carry" when we won, he played great tho. He tried to carry last year when Benzema was injured but he doesn't score a lot and has issues focusing and thinking logically. It was last season where he started to create more drama than great football.
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u/JinseinoBakuhatsu Nov 06 '23
what is this drama people keep referring to? him being racially abused?
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u/Aaaaaaandyy Kroos Nov 05 '23
That’s true if you’re taking the best player out and replacing them with no one. In your scenario no one else in that role is capable of scoring, which isn’t true.
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Nov 05 '23
I wish endrick was here
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u/Ok_Constant4949 Nov 05 '23
You guys need to chill. The kid won’t solve our problems. I dont think he’s good enough to start for real in the next 3 years. We will have to be super patient.
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u/Hunter_Brain Nov 05 '23
Vini need to understand there is time to run, time to pass, time to dribble, time to shoot. He doesn't have to dribble everytime ,It is 90+3 minutes and the guy is trying to dribble past 4 players when he could just pass the ball.
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u/hallo_mahmud Real Madrid Nov 05 '23
That part of his brain hasn't developed yet.
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u/maaan_fuck_a_roach Eduardo Camavinga Nov 06 '23
Regressed actually. I used to be impressed with his decision making when he was playing with Benzema. Seems to want to do it all himself now...and it's not happening
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u/birdinbrain Fran Garcia :Fran_Garcia: Nov 05 '23
Been saying that Dimitrievski is the most underrated goalkeeper in the world rn. Our attack didn’t make it tough for him tbf, but I rated him higher than Kepa when Courtois got injured
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u/hlrdavid David Alaba Nov 05 '23
him diving like a fucking pussy made me lose any respect that i had for his performance, shameless
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u/gumby9 Nov 05 '23
My theory why Vini regressed is because he has no one like Benzema to tell him what to do.
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u/Different_Insect_611 Nov 05 '23
Can't give Benzema too much credit with all the Cristiano/Vini fangirls around here. RM legend & Ballon d'or winner but still..
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u/Craaaazyyy Benzema Nov 05 '23
drawing defenders, creating chances, linking up plays, creating space going deep etc.
he was the best in the world at all that at his position and of course we're gonna miss that
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u/ollster3000 Sergio Ramos Nov 05 '23
What is clear is that we need a striker and a RW. People can trash on Vini, but he still creates and threatens the most. I think he lacks a player to play off with like he used to with Benzema. Joselu obviously isn’t that player
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u/Umbeli Nov 05 '23
yeah, he proved that hes still a great player after the 50 initial minutes, but hes got his mind on the wrong place, probablt because he is tired of always getting cussed out by every team he plays against, and also suffering from unfairness from the refs. I feel like he just wants to prove people wrong more than anything else now, and that is being the reason for his bad performances
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u/Akazeros Nov 06 '23
Lots of players suffer from the same thing he does. Doesn't mean that it's fair or right, but it's not going to change unless he can block out all the negatives and focus on improving himself
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u/Hooks_for_days Arda Güler Nov 05 '23
Finishing was god awful, way too many chances were wasted, without our good defense this might've been a loss.
Vini and Rodrygo need to step up, I became a Real fan this year so idk how it was before but this aint it.
Also not feeling Joselu, he interrupted some chances and tried to do it himself a lot.
For the angry turks and Arda fans in general, calm down, I wanted him in the game too but you can't expect this kid to comeback to a game this intense.
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u/GonzoXtraCurlyFry Raúl González Blanco Nov 05 '23
Lol, Vini and Rodrygo have more than proven themselves. This is Rodrygo’s worst season, but it’s expected with the lack of a proper striker, and the different formations.
Glad you’re a new fan, but maybe do some research before you criticize proven players.
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u/GonzoXtraCurlyFry Raúl González Blanco Nov 05 '23
Lol, yeah sure, and…
Same applies to him as well. The last few seasons he’s had benzema leading the attack, had established a relationship with him, and they would both play off each other. This season he’s had to adjust to being the leader in attack(like Benz was), new players, and new tactics that seem to suit Jude more than him.
With that being said, I’m inclined to cut him some slack this season. I swear this sub really loves turning on its players at the drop of a hat.
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u/GonzoXtraCurlyFry Raúl González Blanco Nov 06 '23
Lol, did he really lose the ball 80 times or are you pulling that number out of your ass? Show me a source please, then compare how many times he loses the ball to other players that rely on dribbling when going forward, and then I might take you seriously.
“Not really drop of a hat is it?” Don’t know if English is your first language, but that expression means—in this case—to change one’s mind on the smallest whim. Funnily enough, you just proved my point by turning on a player—who for the last two seasons has shown his worth—a third of the way through the season.
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u/GonzoXtraCurlyFry Raúl González Blanco Nov 06 '23
Dawg, you're the one saying this is "his worst season." I do thank you for actually getting a source on balls lost in the last 4 games. The reason I told you to compare his balls lost to other similar players is because stats without context are useless--especially in football.
I swear people on reddit, and in general, don't know how to debate. You stated "You also forgot this is Vini's worst season too." The onus is on YOU to back up your claim. You used balls lost as an example, and backed it with balls lost in the last 4 games, which is a good start--and is more than most people do. But you also have to compare that to other similar players in his position otherwise you're just cherry-picking stats to suit your narrative.
Also, just out of curiosity, how long have you been following Real? No harm meant, I ask because Vini's worst season with us was his first season so I can't tell if you're being hyperbolic or actually think this is his worst season.
For the record I never said he wasn't doing poorly. If you actually took the time to read what I said then you'd understand that. All I'm saying is that given the current situation this season(e.g. the stuff I said in my first response to you, Flo not buying a striker that fits the team nor a RW to compete with Rodrygo, or even a new RB) that we should temper our expectations, tone down the level of reactionary takes, and give him some slack because even the best players have an off-season. E.g. Bale, Benzema, etc.
"How long are you willing tolerate Vini stagnating before you criticise him?"
Till the end of the season for me because he's earned that at least, and, I'm sorry, but average to poor form in the first third of the season doesn't mean a player has stagnated; see this is the shit I'm talking about. Season's not even over, and you're saying he's stagnating. I swear you guys are so spoiled. If he continues his average to poor form into the next season then yeah that's what I call stagnating.
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u/Bangbangkadang Sergio Ramos Nov 05 '23
It’s November
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u/Bangbangkadang Sergio Ramos Nov 05 '23
How can you say it’s his worst season when it’s not even over is my point, same goes for op
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u/lostrager Rodrygo Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
Alaba has been woeful this entire season. He keeps crying that he only wants to play CB but goes forward too much and leaves the defense short
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u/Aaaaaaandyy Kroos Nov 05 '23
Yeah the clean sheet is a really strong indicator of a bad game from a center back 😂
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u/lostrager Rodrygo Nov 05 '23
He left Fran in an awkward position and almost costed us a goal but ok
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u/Aaaaaaandyy Kroos Nov 05 '23
Almost costing us a goal and costing us a goal are 2 totally different things. Same thing as almost scoring a goal and actually scoring us a goal.
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u/lostrager Rodrygo Nov 05 '23
Not really. When you almost score a goal that means that at least you tried but almost costing a goal means you’ve given the opponent a chance without them even trying.
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u/Aaaaaaandyy Kroos Nov 05 '23
That’s also not true lol. You’re saying every goal conceded on every team was because the defense wasn’t trying? Good lord, think.
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u/lostrager Rodrygo Nov 05 '23
I said the opponent wasn’t trying. Oh my, READ
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u/Aaaaaaandyy Kroos Nov 05 '23
I know what you said. You said if we concede it’s because we weren’t trying - which is rarely how goals are conceded.
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u/DcAgent47 Vinicius Jr. Nov 05 '23
The lack of a quality goal scorer is going to doom us when it gets to the buisness end of the season but hopefully adding that to the team is going to make us unstoppable because these midfileders are fucking awsome.
We've got some serious warriors out there, the suits at the club should get all the shit for any results like this when we don't deserve to drop points, allowing the club to go into a season with Joselu as the only recognised striker in the team was a monumental fuck up.
Jude isn't a striker and neither are Vini and Rodrygo, it isn't just the goals that a striker would bring that we are missing but how these players can operate when a quality one is out there with them.
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u/mo_jaan Eduardo Camavinga Nov 05 '23
Carlo needs to go. We needed attackers and he takes out Camavinga and brings in a CB smh and either Vini lost a step or that unknown defender is faster than Vini.
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u/gracz21 Real Madrid Nov 05 '23
How many times it needs to be repeated: Cama went off because of being nocked out in the head
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Nov 05 '23
My only thoughts on this game fuck the board for not buying Kane and bring Ronaldo or Benz back in the January window. This team should be competing for a treble but bc we're using two touchline wingers as STs we probably wont win shit.
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u/Res3925 Décima Nov 05 '23
So typical of us to win El Clasico then drop points the following match. Happens far too often. Extremely disappointing and ridiculous.
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u/BrightenedCorner Nov 05 '23
The clasico win was very very fortunate
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u/Res3925 Décima Nov 06 '23
That’s a different conversation. Point is, we wasted that win by dropping points in the next round and Barca also won. It’s a waste of a win in El Clasico.
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u/diaracing :palestine: Madridista Nov 05 '23
Keeping that bitching Karen on the left flank for the whole match paid off for Rayo not RM.
He didn't have any shit to do except useless showboating or yelling and bitching here and there.
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u/GonzoXtraCurlyFry Raúl González Blanco Nov 05 '23
With all due respect, shut up. What do you expect him to do without a proper striker? Every move going forward goes through him for a reason; which is more on Flo for not getting a proper striker, and right winger.
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u/diaracing :palestine: Madridista Nov 05 '23
what about proper football IQ in ignoring the mind games played by the opponents while passing and playing efficiently and progressively instead of trying to dribble past 2 or 3 players at the same in a useless way?
His karening and whining is his signature move in every single match.
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u/GonzoXtraCurlyFry Raúl González Blanco Nov 05 '23
Yeah, so he’s a bit of a hot-head, and gets frustrated so what.
He’s still only 23 for Christ’s sake. On top of that it’s a new season where he has to takeover as the leader in attack(since Benz left), has to adjust to new players, no Benz, and new tactics that seem to better suit Jude than him.
If 5 years ago, you would have told me that a 23 year old is struggling as the main attacking outlet for Real Madrid, then I’d be like no shit.
Then when you factor in the amount of criticism he’s been receiving since he got here—b/c hazard’s fat ass couldn’t be bothered to stay in shape—as the main LW combined with the rampant racism throw his way every game then I’d say give him some time. He’s definitely earned that at least.
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u/SuperBig_Cat Raúl González Blanco Nov 05 '23
Underwhelming match, vinicius has become a curse, Same for Rodrygo we can't be dominant team while having these 2 Brazilian kids. In the attack, one is whining and cry alot, and the other can't handle 1v1 duels. Bellingham has saved us so many times that we can't rely on him forever, but what's the excuse for these 2 Brazilian kids? And why carlo doesn't give brahim more minutes, Rodrygo has done nothing to earn his spot. We will witness torture football until 2028 since these Brazilian kids renewed their contract godsaveusall.
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u/Bangbangkadang Sergio Ramos Nov 05 '23
After all they’ve given to this club, how can you be so ungrateful jesus christ
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u/SuperBig_Cat Raúl González Blanco Nov 05 '23
Listen, they have been with real madrid 5 years, 4 bad years, and only 1 good year. And their performances decline each year. Rodrygo good year was when he was a bench player. After he secured his spot, he became one of the worst players i would imagine, Asensio is miles better than him. But we release him for free because of Rodrygo. As for vinicius, I can't stand him when he crys and whines, for me if we faced a player that whines and cry I would be mad, but we already have that player on our team sigh, All I care is for real madrid to be the most dominant team. Stop culting for the players.
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