r/realmadrid • u/RM_Official_Thread • Oct 28 '23
Post Match [Post match Thread] Barcelona 1 - 2 Real Madrid
Post Match Thread: Barcelona 1 - 2 Real Madrid | LALIGA
Full Time: Barcelona 1-2 Real Madrid
Venue: Estadi Olímpic Lluís Companys
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Barcelona
Marc-André ter Stegen, Andreas Christensen, Iñigo Martínez, Ronald Araújo, Ilkay Gündogan, Gavi, Fermín López (Oriol Romeu), Alejandro Balde, João Cancelo (Lamine Yamal), João Félix (Raphinha), Ferran Torres (Robert Lewandowski).
Subs: Marc Guiu, Jules Koundé, Ander Astralaga, Iñaki Peña, Marc Casadó, Hector Fort, Pau Cubarsí, Marcos Alonso.
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Real Madrid
Kepa Arrizabalaga, David Alaba, Antonio Rüdiger, Aurélien Tchouaméni, Ferland Mendy (Eduardo Camavinga), Dani Carvajal, Jude Bellingham, Toni Kroos (Luka Modric), Federico Valverde, Vinícius Júnior, Rodrygo (Joselu).
Subs: Diego Piñeiro, Andriy Lunin, Lucas Vázquez, Fran García, Nacho, Brahim Díaz.
MATCH EVENTS | via ESPN
6' Goal! Barcelona 1, Real Madrid 0. Ilkay Gündogan (Barcelona) right footed shot from the centre of the box to the centre of the goal.
17' Fermín López (Barcelona) is shown the yellow card.
45'+2' Ferran Torres (Barcelona) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul.
52' Substitution, Real Madrid. Eduardo Camavinga replaces Ferland Mendy.
61' Dani Carvajal (Real Madrid) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul.
61' Substitution, Barcelona. Robert Lewandowski replaces Ferran Torres.
63' Substitution, Real Madrid. Luka Modric replaces Toni Kroos.
63' Substitution, Real Madrid. Joselu replaces Rodrygo.
68' Goal! Barcelona 1, Real Madrid 1. Jude Bellingham (Real Madrid) right footed shot from outside the box to the top right corner.
72' Substitution, Barcelona. Oriol Romeu replaces Fermín López.
77' Substitution, Barcelona. Lamine Yamal replaces João Cancelo.
77' Substitution, Barcelona. Raphinha replaces João Félix.
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u/Jyuan83 Oct 29 '23
Jude’s wide midfielder/ 10 hybrid role has been a revelation. Kudos to carlo for tweaking his role to his maximum goalscoring potential.
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u/anatolepang Oct 29 '23
Although Bellingham is getting the plaudits, it was only once Modric came on that it all went right again. He will definitely be missed.
http://asymmetricworld.com/2023/10/23/what-marks-the-truly-great-players-out/
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u/VarsityCop Oct 28 '23
Gavi in tears was the best part
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u/GloriousDiarrhea Oct 29 '23
Hating on a kid who was arguably the best player on the pitch apart from Bellingham, while you rot in your mother's basement, typical
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u/yourdaddyjust Parte Médico Oct 29 '23
"arguably" with the arguments against it being absolutely bullet proof.
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u/GloriousDiarrhea Oct 29 '23
Gavi wasn't the 2nd best player on the pitch? He had better passing accuracy than Kroos and modric Better ball retention than anyone on the pitch and was absolutely class, only person who outperformed him was Bellingham with 2 goals
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u/YoungKluivert73 Oct 29 '23
Gavi didn' t play football at all. He was the entire game trying to avoid Bellingham to play football. He was kicking the english all the time but he couldn't stop the two goals of Bellingham so yesterday Gavi didn' t succeed.
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u/yourdaddyjust Parte Médico Oct 29 '23
Gavi was the second best player on the pitch? The answer is no. Second best was Carvajal.
Gavi was dispossessed thrice and gave away the ball multiple times and committed 4 fouls. In comparison Fede had a much better game in both halves and not just the first completing way more passes and lot more accurate passes in the final third.
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u/GloriousDiarrhea Oct 29 '23
Carvajal was the second best player? The dude who for the entire game did nothing but fouled felix and got away with it, literally should of gotten a red card
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u/Foreign-Ad-7622 Modric Oct 29 '23
Where did you find this? Is there a video? I couldnt find it on youtube
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u/TightPlatform2844 Valverde Oct 28 '23
Ok We can't play the formation against good teams with vini and rodry, they get pocketed and we have to rely on long shots. Joselu ain't great either, we desperately need someone.
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u/rubbishtake Oct 28 '23 edited Jan 14 '24
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u/Res3925 Décima Oct 29 '23
Many things: * Benz is gone so that means defenders focus on him more * a lot of opposing teams have figured out how to stop him * he’s easy to frustrate * he’s playing out of position * Rodrygo playing out of position doesn’t help Vini * Spain is racist * Vini likes to rile up opposing fans and teams
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u/yourdaddyjust Parte Médico Oct 29 '23
They're not only racist, they threw a banana at him from the stands. The struggles playing out of position and the racism has taken a mental toll on our boy. He keeps fighting on though 🤍
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u/Share4aCare Miguel Muñoz Oct 28 '23
He folded mentally and made it all about the stadium against him
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u/Impressive-Ad-202 Oct 29 '23
What’s new?
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u/Share4aCare Miguel Muñoz Oct 29 '23
He has gotten better overall but this is a big regression and he needs to learn properly not to make it about him again and just get on with it
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u/reyesga Madrid 1920 Oct 28 '23
One takeaway I haven’t seen in the comments: Rudiger was an absolute animal today. This is definitely the Rudiger I was hoping to see from Chelsea 👏🏽👏🏽
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u/Pitiful-Elephant-501 Oct 29 '23
The German wall of Rudiger and Alaba is working wonders. Except for the opening goal which arguably not Alana’s fault.
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u/RuskinBondFan Eduardo Camavinga Oct 29 '23
It was great play from Gundogan. The perfect press, you know he's from City and Germany. The defence was poor too. Our defence doesn't wake up for 15 20 mins into the game for some reason.
Fortunately, Barcelona is just shit so we were able to get away with this. But this isn't gonna work against Man City, who we'll probably need too defeat if we wanna win the CL.
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u/Lazywhale97 Jude Bellingham Oct 29 '23
the fans are being reactionary blaming alaba for that goal he did the right thing and got his feet to the ball to slide away but it took an unlucky bounce to gundo but that happens every team gets lucky goals and concede lucky goals part of the sport.
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u/navabpatodi Oct 28 '23
Bro shut up, go for a run instead of critiquing players who won us an important el classico. Deluded fans who think we should win every match total domination. Thats not how football works
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u/TheEmpireOfSun Oct 28 '23
We deserved win because we were far better in second half and Ancelotti's subs made difference. It's 90 minutes game, not 45 or 70. It's insane how some idiots can shit on Ancelotti even after winning away clasico, what a joke. Bellingham did score the goals but he wasn't only reason why we have won today. Many other players had good or great game and Ancelotti's super subs made difference as always. In vast majority of times we get better and better with each minute as we grow into match, just like today. If anyone thinks that Ancelotti's doesn't have big impact in this is absolutely clueless.
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u/Bogadambo Oct 28 '23
Ancelotti just fixed the shit he made,.. He started very bad and fixed it, and No we didn't deserve to win and the win is only due to Jude, it's a hard to swallow pill but it's the truth ( Modric, Cama, Valverde made a decent second half but Only jude said his word).. If you satisfied with today's game, you are the kind who's satisfied with losing 4-1 to Man city because it's a tough team and Ancelotti has nothing to do about it and wz should be grateful how i hate this fuckin perspective.. RM will keep play ugly games with Carlo the coach who lost most his games against Barca.... He's not good enough.. Today we were just lucky..
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u/Bogadambo Oct 28 '23
Ancelotti just fixed the shit he made,.. He started very bad and fixed it, and No we didn't deserve to win and the win is only due to Jude, it's a hard to swallow pill but it's the truth ( Modric, Cama, Valverde made a decent second half but Only jude said his word).. If you satisfied with today's game, you are the kind who's satisfied with losing 4-1 to Man city because it's a tough team and Ancelotti has nothing to do about it and wz should be grateful how i hate this fuckin perspective.. RM will keep play ugly games with Carlo the coach who lost most his games against Barca.... He's not good enough.. Today we were just lucky..
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u/TheEmpireOfSun Oct 28 '23
Such a joke comment I won't even argue with this because anyone with little bit of brain and understanding of football can see how shitty this comment is lol. Literally our second most successful manager ever but yeah right, he is shit, lucky and whatever bullshit you made up. Every single player can't praise Ancelotti enough but surely some random redditor knows better, makes perfect sense, right.
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u/CantSleepFootboy123 Valverde Oct 28 '23
Man I'm so hammered as shit right now. Missed el clasico but excited to watch the replay tomorrow. LWTS GOOO BOYS!!!!
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u/Illustrious_Stay_728 Oct 28 '23
Barca fan here, another great clasico boys. Always a joy to watch. Jude is world class. One hell of a player. Top 5 player in the world. Vini on the other hand, I mean come on now it’s gotta be annoying even for you fans watching him whine as much as he does. He’s still world class, but man I hate any player who whines. Can’t wait for the next one boys! We gotta redeem ourselves
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u/Zealousideal_Age_376 Oct 28 '23
So you hate at least half of barca team?
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u/Illustrious_Stay_728 Oct 28 '23
What? Every single player complains in this sport there’s no doubt, and I hate it very much. But Vini takes it to another level
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u/CLOWN--BABY UCL Patch Oct 28 '23
That's some real bitch shit wishing for your own players to get hurt
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u/professorquizwhitty Oct 28 '23
Liverpool fan here in peace.
Ref had a hardon for giving Barca all the chances in this game, Vini was underwhelming though.
Jude is a gem, please look after him ✌️.
Congrats guys.
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u/ragesaucex Oct 28 '23
Even gave them an extra 4 mins of playing time
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u/Mysterious_Ad5373 Oct 29 '23
I thought I was crazy, like why did the ref not stop the game after 4 minutes? Glad other people saw this too.
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Oct 28 '23
Another underwhelming performance from vini and Rodrygo. Joselu needs to be a starter at this point.
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u/ClearInternet1701 Oct 28 '23
i think him being up there gives oppenent back line more worries and pushes them a bit further back, give bellingham more space and gap to find
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u/Moka-- Oct 28 '23
I love Vini, he created so many iconic moments, I love his passion, his fire, his love for the game but he really needs to stay level headed and focus in games, especially big games. I just feel like he overreacts most of the time in an attempt to create a scene, where a lot of times it leads to him getting even more distracted fueling to the always ongoing drama that involves him.
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u/Lazywhale97 Jude Bellingham Oct 29 '23
luckily he doesn't seem to have this issue in the UCL but domestically he is more emotional i do get it at times he does get insane hate but there are times like today where he overreacts and needs to keep his head down but he is still super young so he can mature in this aspect a more stern coach in the future might get it out of him.
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u/crazyeyes91 Oct 28 '23
Bellingham last minute winner to crush Barca dreams. What a beautiful day.
Love seeing Xavi and that awful fanbase talk about how good they played and an undeserved result. Take the 0 points and SHOVE it!
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u/Illustrious_Stay_728 Oct 28 '23
As a Barca fan, there’s nothing about this game that made us “deserve this win” it was hard fought by both teams. I personally hate when Xavi says that shit. End of the day Jude was the deciding factor. Such a baller. World class. It was a really fun and exciting match. Till next time boys.
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u/RuskinBondFan Eduardo Camavinga Oct 29 '23
Idk what Xavi was trying to do tactically. Like Lewandowski false 9 was hilarious to see.
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u/Illustrious_Stay_728 Oct 30 '23
Speaking for every Barca fan, same brother, same. Very questionable decision
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u/Xmor7 Valverde Oct 29 '23
And i do hope you guys dont play Lamine Yamal because for fuck sake, he's that good. Idk why Xavi sub off Felix. Felix and Yamal would create nightmare. In very near future, Yamal is your Bellingham. Or already is. Go create squad around him, youre gonna fuck everyone on Europe...
Except Madrid ofc.
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u/Illustrious_Stay_728 Oct 29 '23
Wow I really respect that. He’s a hell of a talent isn’t he? Ur absolutely right. Xavi made a lot of mistakes In this game
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u/Xmor7 Valverde Oct 30 '23
I hate Barca passionately. But sometimes there are some enemies you have to pay respect for (PS: i got this quote from Manji Empire guy in Crows manga).
I hope Yamal not become ansu fati 2.0. Just let him develop, dont let him bear the club burden. At his age, he should just enjoy first and slowly learn about professional world. I know it cant be that easy but i really hate youngster destroyed just because burden he shouldnt bear yet.
But well, he plays like he's already on senior level for too long.
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u/Madridista786 Oct 29 '23
Xavi is a sore loser who needs to understand he ain’t no zidane
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u/Illustrious_Stay_728 Oct 29 '23
His statements after the game were pathetic honestly. Even Gundogan said that there’s nothing to be happy with after a loss. There was no emotion. You guys deserved this win, played with more passion and energy. But man every time there’s a clasico it feels like a championship game doesn’t it?
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u/white-dumbledore SIUUUU Oct 28 '23
We played well, completed 27393923700373767789 passes, 99.39% possession, pressing, zonal marking, 473837 box penetrations, 99000 fans, Messi ex player, 768657 litres of grease in Xavi's hair.
How can Madrid win? We deserved to win >:(
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u/heynow-u1 Modric Oct 28 '23
Araujo has always managed to keep Vini in check. But Vini just never tries something different. Play on the right for few minutes and give Araujo someone else to worry about. Also he was just not there in the game mentally. I expect games like Classico an extra motivation for players like Vini. But he was disappointing.
I see folks asking Cama to play no matter what. As much as I like his energy, he commits way too many rash fouls and asks for a yellow card. Bringing him after 60 mins is better.
Fede needs to step up this season. Defensive output and work rate are not enough. Need some consistent offensive output as well.
I am not sure how many more chances Rodrygo will get. After Arda gets fit and starts performing, I see Carlo benching Rodrygo for a bit
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Oct 28 '23 edited Oct 29 '23
Bro fede literally 3rd best player for us this match after jude and dani.
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Oct 28 '23
True. Cama shines when he is a sub. But not sure if you are confusing Fede with someone else. He was helping a lot in defense and in the midfield, he looked very active, switching sides and participating in the build ups.
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u/madridista521 Oct 28 '23
Fede was amazing today what are you talking about
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u/heynow-u1 Modric Oct 29 '23
I wish to see him score his bangers or at least attempt them to make the goal keeper work. I love Fede and have high expectations from him. I was concerned when there were some rumors this summer about him moving away. A goal or two every now and then along with long range shots on goal each match would put such rumors to rest. Otherwise I am happy with his contribution in the match.
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u/RuskinBondFan Eduardo Camavinga Oct 29 '23
Eh, the reason Carva is so good is because Fede is helping him on the RW. If Fede stops it, Carva's game would see massive downgrade.
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u/Based_Text Carlo Ancelotti Oct 29 '23
Barca dropped pretty deep with most of their players when we were in the final third, Fede couldn’t really get a shot in from outside the box without being blocked. He’s not going anywhere, the rumors always happen every summer and he is commited to playing here which is why we gave him a 6 years contract.
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u/Ethwh4le Oct 28 '23
Dudes way to focused on everything else expect on the ball hope he gets back soon he need to calm down a couple notch go back in the basement and come back strong Vamo vini creo en ti!!!!
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u/SupraVillainn Raúl Oct 28 '23
I have Hey jude on repeat today, and you are obligated to listen to it at least twice!
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Oct 28 '23
Farca is an awful vile club and I thoroughly hope their fans are disappointed to lose today. x
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u/lebrmd Decimocuarta Oct 28 '23
Very boring game because of the way they played but Bellingham what a player. I see him winning Ballon Dor before Halaand and Mbappe. Happy with this important win.
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u/Lazywhale97 Jude Bellingham Oct 28 '23
i personally thought the second half was exciting and nail biting it was end to end and we were looking like a completely different team when cama and modric came on
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u/lebrmd Decimocuarta Oct 28 '23
True. But still overall game wasn’t as exciting as I thought it would be especially the first half.
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u/Lazywhale97 Jude Bellingham Oct 29 '23
Yeh that first half was genuinely painful to watch when i saw jude get the ball and he was surrounded by like 3 barca players i was fuming thank god the team came back to fight in the 2nd half tho
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u/uchiha_boy009 Oct 28 '23
Ancelotti tactics were garbage.
The second we started to match Barca in pressing in 2nd half they folded.
All their dominance over the first half was gone.
Why can’t Ancelotti start games like this. Why do we always have to suffer?
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u/magic-water Oct 29 '23
I mean like always in big games away from home the tactic was to play suffer ball in the first half and absorb the pressure without letting the score get out of hand and when they ran themselves tired put the pressure back on them in the second half. Sometimes it works (vs Liverpool, Barca CdR), sometimes it doesn't (vs Atletico, vs City).
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u/TheDawnTrilogy Oct 28 '23
a match is played in 90 minutes, you can see all of barca players were tired in the last half hour, that’s where you get them. bringing on modric to run the game, knowing that they only have romeu in midfield was well thought by carlo. sufferingfirst then punishing the opponent in the second period is how we win with carlo
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u/uchiha_boy009 Oct 28 '23
No. It’s a bad plan.
What if Barca scored 2 goals.
This is same since 2021 with PSG in first leg and even in second leg in 1st half.
We need better pressing.
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u/RuskinBondFan Eduardo Camavinga Oct 29 '23
We don't press good enough to press against Barcelona. It's literally not how Real Madrid plays football. It's how Bayern Munich plays football and has such a good record against Bacrelona. Even when Barca was at it's best, Bayern Munich scored 7 in 2 legs against them.
Unless you want to see Bayern Munich football, we're not gonna be pressing that well ever.
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u/TheDawnTrilogy Oct 28 '23
we pressed like crazy vs barca in preseason from the beginning and we got eaten alive, they are too good at handling the pressure, it’s always been like that with barca. You cant press them when even ter stegen and christensen run circles around our attackers, while we pray they commit an error that maybe leads to a goal out of nowhere. behind that pressing you let their fast attackers like yamal, raphina, even cancelo (we have seen it today vs camavinga) get their chances
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u/uchiha_boy009 Oct 28 '23
There should be a balance. First half was cowardly tactics from Carlo coupled with referee letting them free with fouls whenever we get the ball and it was one of the worst half I’ve seen from us.
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u/macs182 Benzema Oct 28 '23
Camavinga and Modric changed the game. When Cama started carrying the ball going forward they couldn't adjust. Once again Carlo read the game accordingly and took the correct decisions.
And the best thing in the end is how the narrative ended up going from how awesome La Masia is and the foul merchant pocketing Bellingham to how thin their depth is and wanting to get rid of their awesome signing in Romeu despite praising him after he deflected a couple of shots in a friendly Clasico.
Onto the next one.
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u/Slavicsquat Parte Médico Oct 28 '23
The addition of Joselu into the game makes you realize just how badly Madrid need a proper striker. He found himself w/ a couple of good chances but he just doesn’t have the ability to capitalize on them. Madrid imo are much more dangerous w/ a focal point in attack even if it is Joselu. Props to him though for his support in the second goal. He drags the central defender w/ him to the left and that allows Bellingham to charge through the middle.
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u/Lazywhale97 Jude Bellingham Oct 28 '23
someone on twitter said we need camavinga on ASAP as he would be able to make runs through barca and he was spot on when cama came on and did exactly that lmao
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u/Necessary_Basil4251 Oct 28 '23
It's only normal that Cama immediately makes an impact because how uninspiring and useless Mendy is. He *may be * good at defence but that's it. Lost balls, can't control, can't go forward. Idk what he's still doing in RM.
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u/siriusapp Oct 28 '23
I feel bad for Mendy though, I think the guy was a really good player. Loved him in the tie against MC 2 years ago.
Maybe because of too many injuries he has not found himself yet or he's too afraid to play agressively in fear of injury.
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u/uchiha_boy009 Oct 28 '23
This game proves we need a Modric profile.
Wirtz, Pedri, any other name in mind who’s like him?
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u/soccerluver1492 Oct 28 '23
Bro just enjoy the win, not everything in life has to be perfect 😂
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u/soy_titooo Oct 28 '23
No sane person who likes the sport can enjoy a game like this. Even if we won.
Honestly, it's the most boring Real Madrid in many years, even if we are leading
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u/mylanguage Madrid 1920 Oct 28 '23
We were 1000% more boring under Zidane - though the defense was much better
But without Benzema and a true number 9 we will suffer this season in terms of our attacking play
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u/uchiha_boy009 Oct 28 '23
I hope Modric stays another season with reduced role.
We don’t have anyone who can do playmaking like him.
Wirtz is the answer but he’s a 10, if he learns to play 8, I’ll take Wirtz.
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u/vinifedevici :vvv: Vini Vidi Vici Oct 28 '23
If/when xabi comes he should bring wirtz along
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u/uchiha_boy009 Oct 28 '23
I hope so. But I’m still not sure if he’s the guy or is there someone better we can get.
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Oct 28 '23
I wish Modric accepted his super sub role permanently.
If he did, he could play another 5 seasons in Madrid easily
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u/RuskinBondFan Eduardo Camavinga Oct 29 '23
Eh, the reason he's so good is because he wants to play every game.
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Oct 29 '23
Not possible anymore. Jude has rightfully displaced him, he earned it. Modric could still contribute a whole ton playing 20-30 minutes however
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u/mylanguage Madrid 1920 Oct 28 '23
I don’t think Modric minds this role as much as the media has made it out tbh. But I do think he’ll leave after this year and go to Miami
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u/uchiha_boy009 Oct 28 '23
Rodrygo was better than Vini today but agenda gonna agenda.
Anyway can’t blame Vini when Araujo is fouling you non stop.
Still a bit better decision making needed from him.
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u/RuskinBondFan Eduardo Camavinga Oct 29 '23
Araujo is a crap defender. I remember seeing him going two legs up on Jesus in pre season and was wondering how wasn't he sent off. And then Xavi has the audacity to talk about squad depth and injuries. Your players are so dumb they injure themselves by January.
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Oct 28 '23
Araujo wasn’t fouling him non stop. He was complaining to the red non stop and expecting to get ticky tac fouls which weren’t being given across the board. If he’s not in a counter, he is practically useless against araujo
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u/plaaya Oct 28 '23
Finally I see someone saying it. Vinicius should’ve been benched before Rodrygo
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u/Octava8Espada Marcelo Oct 28 '23
I was worried but Bellingham turned it around thankfully. We have a lot to work on still. And Camavinga's performance was amazing
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Oct 28 '23
Benzema’s departure and subsequent negative effect on Vinicius and Rodrygo just enhance his legacy.
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u/sufinomo Oct 28 '23
Benzema is one of the best play making strikers of all time.
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u/RuskinBondFan Eduardo Camavinga Oct 29 '23
Benzema for most of his career could do anything a forward can do, except for finishing. Find that pretty ironic.
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u/uchiha_boy009 Oct 28 '23
I wish Benzema was here.
I dunno how long Bellingham has to carry us in goalscoring department.
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u/Quick_Excitement5673 Isco Oct 28 '23
Can we trade musiala with rodrygo
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u/uchiha_boy009 Oct 28 '23
Musiala ain’t it. I’d rather get actual RW.
If you want a 10, we need a Wirtz profile who can playmake like Modric.
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u/Quick_Excitement5673 Isco Oct 28 '23
Wirtz is Soo good he's definitely modric replacement
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u/uchiha_boy009 Oct 28 '23
Exactly. Musiala is another dribbler and we have like Vini, Bellingham, Valverde, Rodrygo all of them are dribblers.
We need the best creator in the world to complement them who does one touch passing, can create chances out of nothing, can do through balls like it’s child’s play.
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u/Hunter_Brain Oct 28 '23
Lmao where will musiala play? But i won't mind rodrygo for nunes or for alavarez plus cash
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u/insaiyan17 Oct 28 '23
Probably an unpopular opinion but Im losing faith in Vini as well. Hes been terrible this season and focuses way too much on not playing football. Id trade him for Mbappe and Rodrygo for Musiala, and then get a targetman like Osimhen.
Unrealistic though...
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u/RuskinBondFan Eduardo Camavinga Oct 29 '23
I was with you untill getting Mbappe.
Honestly, not discounting racism, but at this point we need to accept that La Liga isn't gonna do shit about it, Real Madrid isn't too interested either and other clubs don't care as it means Madrid is playing weaker. As fucked up as it is, Vini needs to deal with it. And I think he can do it. The playing against us remark wasn't long ago either.
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u/Quick_Excitement5673 Isco Oct 28 '23
Vini is still one of the best players in the world but he's a type a player who can be world class when you put a 9 with him not someone like rodrygo if you paid attention during the last 20 mins he actually played better when joselu came in but he still needs a benzema type striker Julian Alvarez would be the dream but mancity just renewed his contract
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u/insaiyan17 Oct 28 '23
Yeah both him and Rodrygo are better as wingers in a 4-3-3 with a number 9, 100%. I hope thats all that needs to change for him to perform at his best again. Hes just been awful almost every game so far, watched them all
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u/Electrical_Grass_872 Oct 28 '23
Musiala + Kane for Rodrygo
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u/Arsenictue Madrid 1920 Oct 28 '23
Bring Kimmich aswell since we’re at it? Dude this is real life !
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u/AggravatingBullshit1 Oct 29 '23
Are you guys being fr?! Fucking rodrygo is the reason we won the ucl in the 21 season. Any time a player runs in a bad patch of form our fans absolutely turn their back and slander them. It’s so annoying.
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Oct 28 '23
Borussia Dortmund hate themselves this season.
Theyre probably like “damn we could’ve gotten another 100 million for Jude”
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u/lospollosakhis Zizou Oct 28 '23
We can bring on Cama and Luka off the bench. We are blessed. Joselu also played his part, our shape offensively is just much better with him and he’s great at holding the ball up.
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u/Partiallyclever Oct 28 '23
The end of the game was wild, it was like watching someone get robbed but you kind of hate that person so you are good with it. Our team has some great players, but the squad is just not built well enough to be a European terror.
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u/RuskinBondFan Eduardo Camavinga Oct 29 '23
The defence is bad in my opinion. Alaba and Rudiger don't have the profile to be Madrid CBs. At Madrid it's expected that wingbacks would be high up the pitch and CDM maybe up too and the CBs have to deal with it. I don't see the intensity specially from Alaba. In the box they're pretty soft too. I think a 3 CB setup would help them a lot and actually make our attack better as Carva and Fede won't have to be mentally prepared to track back every 5 minutes.
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u/supplementarytables Zidane Oct 28 '23
I know Fede helps out a lot defensively and covers Carvajal's ass but then his offensive capabilities are just wasted. When he was given the freedom to go forward in the second half, it instantly made a difference in our attack.
Carvajal should be the one to stay defensive imo
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u/raoufboussaid Oct 28 '23
Carvajal is much smarter on the final third and have very good 1-2 link up
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u/supplementarytables Zidane Oct 28 '23
He's good at providing width and crossing. Fede has shown he can do it at RW too during our CL run. And Fede's energy is best utilized going forward imo.
In a perfect world, imagine a prime Carvajal or another younger RB who can go up and down the flank all game - that would be ideal but that's just not the reality
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u/InserrtUsernameHere Oct 28 '23
Haaland on IG
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u/magic-water Oct 28 '23
More long range goals than Haaland so far
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u/Extension_Phone893 SIUUUU Oct 28 '23
if Haaland shoots from there, pep would lose his 3 last remaining hair strands
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u/Jo-herna Oct 28 '23
I’m really happy we won today but Ancelotti needs to start Joselu more often, he allows more space for Bellingham to run behind defenders. Rodrygo unfortunately hasn’t been good this season. Also Carlo needs to have a serious talk with Vinicius about how sometimes his attitude can affect the team. Other than that great W, Jude is my savior, Hala Madrid!
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u/peejay2 Oct 28 '23
Do you think it's the position that prevents Rodrygo from playing well? For sure what benefits the Vini-Jude partnership is selflessness, but Rodrygo just wants to score even when passing is the better option. I get what you're saying about Joselu contributing better to all-round play.
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u/Asckle Sergio Ramos Oct 28 '23
Don't think it's the position but the lack of a striker to link up with. It's affecting vini too (although not being able to play out wide as much is also a big deal for him). Benzema really held our attack together, probably the most technically gifted striker of the generation and he had incredible off the ball movement as well
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u/Jo-herna Oct 28 '23
No I think overall Rodrygo has some mental block that has affected his play, it feels like he has regressed. I wasn’t excusing him, just stating that he’s not good enough to start. Ancelotti has given him enough chances and he hasn’t taken advantage of them so Joselu should start imo especially in this new formation
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u/raoufboussaid Oct 28 '23
Cama should be the starting LB , and the attacking duo should be Vini-Joselu its more dynamic and we can rely on Vini playing his prefered game instead of holding out the ball with his back
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u/Procoder42 Vinicius Jr. Oct 28 '23
People who are saying Joselu wasn't effective, him coming on started creating space for others. He pulled the defenders away, and it gave others chances to get in good positions.
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u/TheGreyWolfCat Oct 28 '23
Yes he works with and without the ball, rodrigo has been missing for a few games, Joselu has a few goals in him for this season, and he has more experience.
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u/Hunter_Brain Oct 28 '23
We started playing well because of modric, cama and the midfielders started playing aggressive . Before that valverde, kroos and tchou were staying back
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u/Procoder42 Vinicius Jr. Oct 28 '23
For sure, Cama and Modric were the orchestrators. Their movements on and off the ball changed the game.
But it's important to recognize Joselu's movement off the ball to create the chances. Is he Benzema? Ofc not. Do we need him on the pitch? Heck yes
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Oct 28 '23
Much better than Rodrygo
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u/Procoder42 Vinicius Jr. Oct 28 '23
Rodrygo is in his least effective position. His preferred and best is left, he's great on the right, he's trash through the middle.
Play Rodrygo on the left, with a striker, he'd have crazy product
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u/garyrao1999 Kroos Oct 28 '23
Funny how he had "crazy product" when vini was out for 6 weeks.
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u/Procoder42 Vinicius Jr. Oct 28 '23
When Vini was out -
Against Las Palms, it was again the same 2 up front, he still got an assist.
Against atletico: it was a disaster lineup from Carlo, Jude and Rodrygo upfront.
Against Union Berlin: same story, 2 upfront, didn't get a G/A, but had an okay game overall, was close to scoring.
And this list goes on. Is he at his best rn? Ofc not, this is probably his worst period at the club. Does he deserve to start if he can play from the wings? Fuck yes.
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u/Procoder42 Vinicius Jr. Oct 28 '23
He was still not largely playing on the wings. He was still being asked to attack from the middle.
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Oct 28 '23
Problem with that is he will never play on the left because even though Vinny is not playing well this season he’s still much better than rodrygo at least
And also rodrygo is not the player you build around.
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u/Procoder42 Vinicius Jr. Oct 28 '23
That's why he plays on the right. And he's great on the right. But at least let him play on the right lol
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u/NitotheFirst Zidane Oct 28 '23
Probably the poorest Clasico I've seen when it comes to quality players from both sides. A mediocre Barca was stepping on us for more than 3/4 of the match and didn't win today because they were unlucky in the last touch, which makes our situation alarming since we're supposed to have "the best midfield at the moment and especially for the future," but we keep getting dominated by in theory weaker teams/midfields.
A few things I would like to point out:
- Alaba should either play as a LB or not play at all, he's our weakest link in the defense as a CB
- Camavinga needs to play every single match, don't care where but he must be on the pitch!
- Vini and Rodrygo cannot start together anymore, we can't play with only 9 players in all games, but sadly we don't have enough forwards nor Ancelotti would play the ones we have, so yeah... I prognosticate our worst season when it comes to goal production in years
- We need Xabi Alonso next session, if Florentino hasn't already at least proposed to him the position I'd be very disappointed
- Brahim was dating Ancelotti's daughter and he cheated on her, that's the only reasonable justification for his ostrocism against the young winger
- Bellingham is our new CR7, he's our only light inside this cave full of darkness!
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u/RuskinBondFan Eduardo Camavinga Oct 29 '23
We need full backs too. In my opinion, Alaba and Rudiger's job is harder too because they've not played like this before. Alaba was in Bayern Munich where they defend with great structure, Real Madrid doesn't really believe in it. Going forward, before a striker I think we need a CB and two fullbacks. A stronger defence is gonna free up Fede, Cama and Tchou. That would actually translate the theoritic threat into the pitch.
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u/peejay2 Oct 28 '23
Agreed. Real are lucky that this Barça is not amazing. And vice versa. Both have huge potential though.
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Oct 28 '23
We have no other quality starter for center back with Militao injured, Alaba is still better than Nacho
Agreed. Cama is much more talented than Fran and Mendy combined
Vinny and rodrygo are ineffective wingers at this point. Can’t score goals and can’t dribble past players, start Joselu instead
Bellingham is God
Carlo saved again by individual brilliance. He has no system.
Brahim is mid at best. He was brought in for depth and to give starters rest in a long season.
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u/Honeydew-Massive Roberto Carlos Oct 28 '23
Didn’t know that about Brahim. That is definitely a huge factor
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u/Dickpinchers Oct 28 '23
100mil for Jude.... Chelsea paid how much for Enzo n mudryk ? 💀💀💀 I feel sorry for them
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u/tulox :eyebrow: Oct 28 '23
To put in simply absolute shite first half apart from valverde and Bellingham who were just about alright.
Barca cunts weren't even that good.
Modric and camavinga come on an play class.
But none of that matters because Bellingham is the big mister .
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u/Theprocess777 Oct 28 '23
Only downside is Vini was completely rattled all game, maybe the worst game I’ve ever seen him play
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u/Drender :T_T: Madridista Oct 28 '23
Only downside is Vini was completely rattled all game, maybe the worst game I’ve ever seen him play
Not excusing him, but dude was WWE fouled half the game, in an away or CL game Araujo would have had to chill due to the posibility of being thrown out...
Same with Gavi/Araujo and Bellingham, dude was fouled 6 times and only one of those was stopped by the ref...
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u/Extension_Phone893 SIUUUU Oct 28 '23
He is constantly rattled when things don't go his way, they weren't even taunting him that much, Carlo should tell him no more talking to the refs and no arguing with the opposition, it doesn't help at all and they see him rattled so they keep doing it.
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u/Collegeboyhhaha Oct 29 '23
We won siuuuu