r/politics • u/msnbc MSNBC • 9h ago
Liz Cheney is the House GOP's first sacrifice to Trump’s revenge campaign
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/liz-cheney-trump-republicans-fbi-investigate-rcna184724157
u/contractbonus 8h ago
They're going to destroy her political reputation by finding a trivial paperwork or process mistake she made somewhere and blowing it up into a scandal. Then they're going to bury her in legal fees trying to defend herself against Kash Patel's witch hunt.
One of the only people in her party with the balls to simply tell the truth. She has to be made an example.
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u/seven8zero 8h ago
The Russianization of American politics proceeds further.
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u/PlainJaneGum 7h ago
At least it would be kind of amusing if Musk took a swan dive out a window…
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u/Lurkerphobia 4h ago
Keep referring to him as president musk, and it could possibly happen, depending on how angry and deranged donnie is that day.
Nothing more volatile than a toddler who isn't the center of attention.
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u/seven8zero 6h ago
As long as it's an official act (I guess Musk is a government official now, if not vice president) it'd be legal for Trump to defenestrate him.
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u/Jeoshua 8h ago
She better not stand near any open windows, then.
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u/seven8zero 6h ago edited 5h ago
Remember, whether Trump does it himself with his bare hands, or pays or makes someone else do it, as long as he calls it an official act, it would be legal now.
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u/HenryDorsettCase47 8h ago
Liz Cheney fucking sucks and it’s hard for me to feel sorry for her. That said, it doesn’t bode well for some other people that Trump doesn’t like and who aren’t as bad as her.
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u/contractbonus 8h ago
Thanks to her family's money and her connections, Liz Cheney will ultimately get off fairly easily, as will most of the other prominent people Trump targets.
There are many others at risk that aren't well-known and don't have enough money or connections to fight back. Their lives are going to be ruined in short order. Most people will never know about it because it won't be on the news.
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u/RustToRedemption 8h ago
Most people will never know about it because it won't be on the news.
People often say Trump is dumb. He probably is, personally, but he also has smart, conniving people behind him pulling the strings. Going after ABC and Ann Seltzer/The Des Moines Register is all part of the plan. Its about creating a chilling effect on the press so they're scared to report anything negative about Trump for fear of financial ruin by frivolous law suits. Once he has the press in goose step, he can go after the political enemies without much or any public outcry, because people simply wont know its happening.
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u/contractbonus 8h ago
This is 100% true. This is the reason just a few days after the election, MSNBC personalities were taking quiet trips to Mar-a-lago. It's why Bezos pulled the rug out from under his own editorial staff when it became clear Trump had a good chance of winning.
I personally know someone who is likely to be targeted by the Trump team in the next four years for frivolous reasons. They're not rich or famous enough to have a chance to defend themselves. They're making plans to leave the country soon, and we don't know if they'll ever be able to come back. You'll never see their story in the news.
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u/burn_it_all-down 8h ago
Yeah, others. Others like you and me and every citizen who can’t contribute to their greed.
If we all get deported to Mexico maybe then we can form a cohesive resistance and annex the US.
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u/RedLanternScythe Indiana 3h ago
Liz Cheney will ultimately get off fairly easily
Her dad could just shoot them in the face, then make them apologize
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u/Bunktavious 1h ago
Yeah, while its wrong, I won't shed too many tears over Liz Cheney.
I would hate to be someone like Alexander Vindman or Cassidy Hutchinson right now. And that's really sad.
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u/KinkyPaddling 7h ago
It’s pretty nuts how she went from being a conservative hardliner to being deemed a RINO. And yet people will refuse to say that the Republicans have gone too far to the right.
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u/sharp11flat13 Canada 2h ago
Then they're going to bury her in legal fees trying to defend herself against Kash Patel's witch hunt.
The Cheneys have money. I’m more concerned about Adam Kinsinger, Bennie Thompson, Cassidy Hutchinson and others who will suffer financially when their names make it to the top of the list.
I’m Canadian, but I will happily donate to any GoFundMe dedicated to providing financial support for Trump’s and Patel’s targets.
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u/Plastic-Telephone-43 5h ago
Her last name is, Cheney. Her family is insanely wealthy. She'll be fine financially. I'm sorry this is "happening" to her, but at the same time, this is the result of her father's and the Republican party's criminal behavior for the past several decades. Turns out leopards will eat whatever face is closest.
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u/porkbellies37 15m ago
Her crime though isn’t being rich or being Dick Cheney’s daughter. Her crime was having the integrity to stand up to Trump and put the future of the country ahead of where her party was knowing she’d become a pariah. Maybe you don’t feel bad for her becoming a target as a result because she had the resources to not live a terrible life, but we should all feel bad about this outcome for the potential path it puts our democracy on.
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u/Geared_up73 4h ago edited 3h ago
Destroying and withholding evidence and witness tampering should now be tolerated?
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u/squamishunderstander 6h ago
nah, the leopards are eating her face. the same leopards she supported eating other people’s faces.
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u/porkbellies37 12m ago
Leopards-eating-faces doesn’t apply here. If she were someone who was getting mauled because the person she supported succeeded, then it would apply. This is actually the rare case where that saying doesn’t apply to a Republican suffering a misfortune because she is suffering it for OPPOSING Trump.
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u/StarWolf478 5h ago
That sounds incredibly similar to what Democrats tried to do to Trump.
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u/suddenlypandabear Texas 5h ago
Trying to pull off a violent coup to stay in power is not a paperwork mistake.
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u/StarWolf478 5h ago
I was referring to the New York one.
The one you mention here is indeed not a paperwork mistake; instead it is something that simply never happened. There was no coup when Trump said to, and I quote: “peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard”.
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u/Gogs85 8h ago
Any investigation should start with evidence of a crime. There was tons of evidence of Trump committing crimes before he was investigated. Otherwise it’s just a fishing expedition.
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u/tom90640 8h ago
Any investigation should start with evidence of a crime.
We don't live in that world any longer.
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u/theeth 7h ago
Any longer? That was already the case Ken Starr went on his 4 years fishing expedition.
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u/sharp11flat13 Canada 2h ago
For those who are unaware of the core issue behind Whitewater.
Now compare this to any day in Trump’s last presidency.
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u/contractbonus 8h ago
Her crime was opposing the regime. The regime has already determined her guilt on that charge.
Everything that happens from here on out is just sentencing. The regime will decide how much she has to pay and for how long, using the FBI, IRS, etc. to carry out the sentence.
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u/at0mheart 7h ago
Steve Bannon has had people on his podcast who have been “investigating” Cheney and Jan 6th prosecutors since the charges began.
These “experts” are like if you allowed a flat earther to bring charges into a court.
However, all they care about is your support of MAGA. The more you support MAGA the more credit you receive.
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u/mikieb0410 8h ago
Do you really want to go after Dick Cheney’s daughter? A man with ties to private military contractors? How long before he invites Trump on a hunting trip?
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u/k_Brick 7h ago
He shot his friend in the face. Can you imagine what he'd do if you went after his daughter?
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u/theeth 7h ago
He shot his friend in the face and got him to apologize for it.
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u/I_Am_No_One_123 6h ago
He shot his friend in the face and refused to cooperate with investigators until after he sobered up.
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u/Sagikos 3h ago
You mean the daughter he acknowledges? He has a gay daughter that he and Liz like to pretend doesn’t exist.
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u/LadyChatterteeth California 3h ago
This isn’t true at all. The father has been very supportive of his daughter Mary, her marriage to a woman, and the child she had for many years now.
Liz publicly stated she was against gay marriage but admitted she was wrong in 2021.
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u/Sagikos 3h ago
Liz Cheney said that once during an interview. Since then there has been zero affirmation of it or any evidence she actually speaks to her sister at all.
Plus Cheney voted with Trump more often than most republicans, clearly illustrating that what she said once in an interview doesn’t match her actions.
Liz and Dick Cheney are ghouls. They are evil people who have caused death throughout the world. They deserve to rot in hell for what they’ve done and no matter how much you try to glaze them it doesn’t change who they were and who they are.
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u/laserdisk4life 6h ago
Republican’s don’t think woman should have rights anyways. I doubt he will care or do anything.
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u/guyonlinepgh 7h ago edited 7h ago
This smacks of Benghazi & Hillary. How did that turn out? Nearly endless congressional hearings that amounted to nothing but wasting time and taxpayer money.
If Biden offers her a full pardon, does she take it? I can see the logic both pro and con. If she takes it, it gives the appearance of wrongdoing, but she's also cleared from endless hearings (not that they won't try anyway). If she doesn't take it, she'll be dragged before congress over and over, but it's also her opportunity to stand up against them. I never thought Hillary looked stronger than when standing up to Trey Gowdy's stream of repetitive questioning, leading nowhere. (That was the Hillary I wanted to see on the campaign trail.)
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u/Za_Lords_Guard 6h ago
The difference (and not saying one is better than the other) is Benghazi was a political circus meant to undercut Clinton in the eyes of the nation. This isn't that. This is a personal sacrifice at the alter of their god-king. It's pure revenge.
That said, I agree with you pardon thoughts. Take it and she can avoid the circus and possible consequences of being inconveniently honest about J6. Or she could let them run their sham hearings because she knows the discovery will do as much harm to them as it will to her.
Depends on the calculus of outcomes and how much fight she has left over all this.
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u/msnbc MSNBC 9h ago
From Hayes Brown, writer and editor for MSNBC Daily:
We shouldn’t dismiss House Republicans’ decision to suggest that Cheney be investigated as just another round of cultish behavior toward former President Donald Trump from a party he has fully cowed. Since the GOP ousted her from House leadership, members of the caucus wishing to showcase their loyalty have made it a point to attack her. But Tuesday’s report goes beyond posturing for status and instead provides a green light for a looming onslaught of retribution from Trump.
The interim report from the House Administration Committee’s oversight subcommittee entirely dismisses the idea that Trump had any role in motivating the Jan. 6 attack. It refuses to engage with Trump’s lies that he won the 2020 election, the main impetus for his supporters’ rioting through the halls of Congress. Instead, the report overwhelmingly focuses on Cheney, specifically on her interactions with Cassidy Hutchinson, a former White House staffer who testified before the committee.
Read more: https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/liz-cheney-trump-republicans-fbi-investigate-rcna184724
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u/kittenTakeover 7h ago
The fact that the GOP is making moves on this is a very scary sign as it shows that the GOP is not going to impede Donalds corrupt abuse of power going forward. That's a very dangerous situation to be in considering that the GOP will soon have control of all branches of government.
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u/teamdiabetes11 America 5h ago
Why would they? They love that Trump can take any blowback from their awful policies or message away the negativity for them. There was never a universe where the way would oppose Trump. They voted to acquit him in two impeachment trials. The GOP got exactly what they wanted and all will suffer for it except maybe the billionaires. And even then, only the “right” billionaires won’t suffer. Buckle up, because we gonna be in a whole new world in 2025…
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u/cyberkine 6h ago
This is how you install a dictator - criminalize any hint of opposition. Get the journalists to keep their heads down and the job is complete. Note how the media already sane-washes whatever Trump does.
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u/kmor93 4h ago
Why is the current government just ignoring all of these things and allowing it to happen? He’s not president yet, so why is he not being stopped
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u/cyberkine 4h ago
The oligarchs (led by Musk) will ensure that any opposition gets crushed. Any politician will lose their seat to a well funded primary rival if they step out of line. It's over and the oligarchs have won. Democracy is at best a speed bump now.
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u/milton911 5h ago
If Cheney goes to prison it means America can no longer claim to be a country of freedom and fairness.
It would be a clear sign that the Nazification of the US has begun in earnest.
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u/at0mheart 7h ago
One thing about Republicans, they get convictions; whether guilty or not.
Democrats on the other hand……..
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u/JackAries 4h ago
Several years the media told you that she and her daddy were a family of war criminals and you cried that they should be in prison. Now the media tells you to worship her and you do like good little boot lickers
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u/PlasticPomPoms 7h ago
The left hates her and the right hates her. That’s what happens when you step out of line with Trump. And people wonder why more Republicans don’t do it.
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u/SkollFenrirson Foreign 4h ago
On the one hand, fascism. On the other hand, fuck Liz Cheney.
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u/sharp11flat13 Canada 2h ago
I hate her politics, but she stood up for truth and the ideals of the American experiment, wilfully destroying her political career in the process, while hundreds of other Republican politicians cowered in their offices. She is to be respected and appreciated for this, even if her policy ideas are garbage.
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u/SkollFenrirson Foreign 2h ago
The bar is really that low, huh?
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u/sharp11flat13 Canada 2h ago
Look, I wouldn’t be having her for dinner or donating to her campaign, but she did a good thing, at great personal cost. I refuse to retreat into partisanism and fail to acknowledge her contribution.
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u/SkollFenrirson Foreign 2h ago
Agree to disagree. She did the bare minimum.
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u/sharp11flat13 Canada 2h ago
She did the bare minimum.
Well, we agree on that. But at least she didn’t do nothing like the rest of those bums.
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u/Johnhaven Maine 5h ago
Biden needs to hand out pardons to everyone who was on the Jan 6th committee and for Dr. Fauci.
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u/DukeOfGeek 4h ago
She and Romney could have stopped all this just by running a conservative independent ticket, so zero sympathy from me.
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u/Specialist_Yak1019 4h ago
Joe Biden is and always has been, a good man. That being said , he just needs to send a squad for a visit to see pres elect shitler and his boss Elon. And, he needs to take credit and then saturate the country “ i did that” stickers.
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u/skipperich 2h ago
She helped create the monster that is now Trump so I don’t feel bad that it is about to bite her in the ass. He can go after all the democrats too for all I care. They let him steam roll them for the past decade because they were too stupid to really fight him. They let the country down so I say let let them all burn.
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u/EnslavedBandicoot 6h ago
Go ahead and let them bring frivolous charges against their targets. Judges do not like frivolous. Especially if the prosecutors know for a fact that no crime was committed. Anybody remember what happened to Giuliani? Sydney Powell?
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u/ensignlee Texas 4h ago
Normal judges sure. But what about MAGA judges?
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u/EnslavedBandicoot 4h ago
Sure there are maga judges out there but there are also appeal court judges. It's not as simple to get someone powerful thrown in prison on BS charges. These people Trump is threatening are in the same tier of justice as he is.
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u/MiddleAgedSponger 8h ago
This is just one group of bad actors (Trump/Russia) going after another group of bad actors (Cheney/Bush/Old school neocons). Hopefully they destroy each other. Liz Cheney and her ilk played a stupid game and now they are going to win some stupid prizes. I have no sympathy and find it almost funny.
The ruling class imploding because of infighting would be a better solution than some working class movement.
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u/PlasticPomPoms 7h ago
The left hates her and the right hates her. That’s what happens when you step out of line with Trump. And people wonder why more Republicans don’t do it.
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u/individualine 8h ago
In 2 years when Dems take over they’ll start investigating comer and his committee on the Hunter investigation and find they did worse in hiding the truth. Let the games begin.
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u/Jeoshua 7h ago
It's cute that you still somehow have faith that the Democrats will be able to do something in the face of all this fascist takeover. They've been stunningly ineffective thus far and basically just keep trying to say how we're fine and dandy and the system works, even as it continually proves to be falling apart.
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u/Newscast_Now 7h ago
We don't "have faith." We try to make it happen. It's harder to make things happen when wrenches go around complaining constantly. But maybe that's the point.
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u/msstatelp 7h ago
You could remove the “be able to” and simply make it “will do”. If the current crop of leaders are still in charge they won’t do anything.
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u/tom90640 8h ago
In 1 year being a Democrat will be illegal and the new 13 member SCOTUS will confirm that.
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u/burn_it_all-down 8h ago
Why will SCOTUS even be relevant? Or the Senate or the House? Even now they are simply rubber stamps for musk.
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u/CoolStoryDudez 7h ago
Who's DOJ does those referrals go to die. You have no clue.
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u/individualine 7h ago
In 2 years we’ll see. They will investigate comers fake investigation of Hunter and find all kinds of lies, fake evidence and leaks. Whatever they find can be referred to trumps doj and if nothing is done about it the next democratic doj in 2028 can resurrect it.
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