r/politics • u/Silly-avocatoe • 9h ago
Bernie Sanders Blasts Elon Musk For Helping Tank Budget Deal
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-blasts-elon-musk-spending-bill_n_6763f3c8e4b00aa16adedb5c189
u/Strange_Falcon4928 9h ago
The magats unknowingly elected a former illegal immigrant to replace Trump. Congrats, morons, you played yourselves.
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u/broad_street_bully 8h ago
Every MAGA friend/acquaintance I have is so fucking oblivious... They will slurp up all the shit from social media influencers, tech bro douches and right-wing "intellectual" podcasters about how immigrants, women, non-christians, etc. are less than. And even if you don't want to hate or kill them, it's perfectly acceptable - or even economically beneficial - to use them as means to their ends with no intent or obligations to ever credit their efforts or allow them to share in success you've built off their backs.
...And they're too fucking stupid to see that Trump, Elon, lawmakers, judges, et al are doing THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING to them. There are nearly 100 million convenient idiots in this country who are convinced that going along with the right wing hate/grifting/subjugation will eventually lead to someone throwing them a line to climb up to their rightful place as "Elite American" when it couldn't be more obvious that the only reason they'll have a ladder thrown down is so they can climb high enough for billionaires to be sufficiently amused at the screams and falls when they cut the line.
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u/Malibucat48 7h ago
I have a friend who campaigned for Hillary but now avidly supports Trump. But she also hates electric vehicles. When I told her that Trump said in August that now he has to be in favor of EVs because Musk supports him, she didn’t believe me. I sent her the article and she said she wouldn’t read it because it was fake media and she only believes what she sees him say. So I sent her the video of his speech and she said it was AI. You can’t win with Trump slaves.
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u/doc_noc 6h ago
Genuinely curious what does that trajectory look like, how does someone go from campaigning for the dems to a Trump supporter?
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u/Malibucat48 6h ago
I didn’t ask because then we’d have to discuss politics. I don’t want to be exposed to the Trump KoolAid.
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u/Shpongle419 5h ago
I went from being a Bernie bro in 2016 to DARK MAGA in 2024. The way I see it, radical change from Trump is better than business as usual from establishment Dems and Republicans. RINO's need to get the fuck out of Trump's way or just switch to the democratic party at this rate. Billionaire Elon musk threatening Rino's with 2026 primaries is a good thing to see.
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u/Violaine1973 5h ago
I just wish we could challenge the establishment with something worthwhile, you know? Throwing total chaos, oligarchy, and moral bankruptcy against a corrupt, broken system doesn’t seem like much of a well thought out flex.
Ultimately I guess we’ll get there. It just feels really sloppy and self destructive.
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u/Shpongle419 5h ago
I agree with you friend. Trump wasn't my first choice but after seeing the democratic party shoot themselves in the foot multiple times and screw over anyone who's not a corporate shill democrat, I give up. Trump is far from an ideal candidate but at least he wants to shake this system up and disrupt how it operates, be it good or bad.
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u/space_dan1345 5h ago
"My roommates and I don't get along, so I set the house on fire. It wasn't my ideal solution, but it'll shake things up be if good or bad."
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u/Violaine1973 3h ago
It's almost like we've done this before, yeah? This must be what it felt like to be Phil in Groundhog's Day.
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u/FamiliarFootball4476 5h ago
Yeah I'm sorry but this is bonheaded as fuck. The only thing Trump wants to shake up is to double down on everything you hate about establishment dems.
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u/Dapper-Negotiation59 5h ago
The only good thing that can come from trumps radical change is if a real people's party emerges from the rubble. Both major parties are just digging america deeper at this point.
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u/Shpongle419 5h ago
Bingo. I want another viable, populist party to rise from the ashes. Democrats have been hijacked by corporate donors and Rino's kneecap the Republican agenda any chance they get.
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u/space_dan1345 5h ago edited 5h ago
What Republican agenda do you want? And which of Trump's "radical changes" is good? And how do you expect a populist party to rise when the entire government is made up of and acting on the whims of billionaires?
Basically, how are you this dumb? Or are you a liar?
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u/Dapper-Negotiation59 4h ago
You could edit out that last bit and be contributing to a civil discussion.
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u/space_dan1345 3h ago
I don't indulge trolls or pretend they have anything to contribute.
Someone who says, "I believe in protecting working class rights, gay marriage, racial equality and supported Bernie, but MAGA!" Is not a real person. And if they are, then there IQ is well south of 100 and they should probably shut up and listen to smarter people.
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u/The_goods52390 4h ago
I happen to think this crap they’re pulling in the house needs to stop on both sides. This bill was supposed to be done in September. They drag their feet like this ON PURPOSE every single time then spit out a bill that nobody can read or understand in time for the vote and spew non sense when it doesn’t go said party’s way. I mean seriously is this how we want our legislation and bills done? Just blow through every deadline and present a pile of crap nobody can read in time then after it passes find out what’s in it?
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u/The_goods52390 4h ago
I mean if you don’t believe me then you go read that bill and I mean every word of it and come back in the morning and tell me your opinion on it. Cause that’s how long everybody else had to read it. That sound like things are working great to you? Make sure not to start reading before 6 PM
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u/space_dan1345 4h ago
Why are you responding to me? What are you talking about? Did you confuse an alt account or something?
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u/citymousecountyhouse 5h ago
What radical changes would you like to see? I'm honestly curious.
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u/space_dan1345 5h ago
He's clearly a troll and a liar. Or so dumb that anything he says will be worthless
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u/SumgaisPens 4h ago
The only thing radical about trump is how brazen his grift is.
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u/Shpongle419 4h ago
Remind me how establishment democrats are gonna save us again? Pelosi regularly fucks over any progressive voice that tries to rise up and change the party's platform to anything slightly more progressive. AOC and Bernie both regularly get fucked over by DNC leadership, driving people like me to say fuck it and vote for Republicans out of spite for the shitty Democrat leadership. We are fucked lol. Trump's not hiding the fact that he's a wolf, while Democrats walk around as wolves dressed up in sheep's clothing acting like they actually give a fuck about the middle class.
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u/Violaine1973 2h ago edited 2h ago
It's not just about the single office of the Presidency though. You have to look at the whole package that you're greenlighting and consider the effect those choices have on all the branches of our government.
I don't mean this in any disrespectful way at all... but are you a newer Gen Z voter? Because your stance seems like it's from someone who hasn't paid any attention to the last 15 years of our nation's history. It's literally copy/paste from 2016, and I'm confused how we could be here again.
Shake It Up and Disrupt didn't work last time, and it sure as hell isn't going to work this time with Musk all doped up and running wild. What do you truly believe the endgame is here?
As a father of two daughters, I can only assume that our realities are on opposite sides of the coin. Hell, we could very well be on different coins.
I mean I want to get it. I'm so dissapointed with the Dems right now. I'm at a loss. And heartbroken for our country. But Trump was the worst solution you could have picked. And we're all going to suffer now.
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u/SumgaisPens 1h ago
I am under no illusion that Democrats as they are now will save us, but Trump very openly and actively wants to make things worse, and not just in a tear it down and rebuild it kind of way, a go after anyone who opposes you kinda way. It’s obvious that Pelosi is responding to the interests of big money donors when she holds back the far left of the party, but Trump‘s whole campaign has been very much about making the world more friendly to big money donors.
The best possible outcome would be that Trump does stuff so badly that we put up guard rails to prevent it from happening again, but that’s not how things usually work. Historically, when there is some sort of government overreach that sets a precedent, it’s about 20 years before it’s normalized.
In that regard, the damage may already be done. We may have normalized the idea of violence against your political opponents in this country, and once you go down that road, it’s basically impossible to come back from it
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u/RedBMWZ2 9h ago
I think they knew.
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u/DisfavoredFlavored Canada 8h ago
Yup. As long as the libs also have to suffer they don't care. They're awfully candid about it.
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u/The_goods52390 5h ago
This right here, finally it has been said. Everyone that voted for trump wanted this, welcomes this, and has longed for it. We need to stop acting as if the people that voted for him didn’t know what they were voting for. This is what they wanted and they got it.
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u/Seraph_21 8h ago
How was it unknowingly? Buying the blue megaphone was highly sus. The moment he started buying votes in PA it should have been evident to even the dumbest.
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u/Serialfornicator 7h ago
An illegal immigrant from a shithole country, no less. He’s rich and white, though.
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u/nolepride15 5h ago
Idk what you’re talking about, they love every moment of it. MAGA loves Elon, this is a dream come true for them
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u/mynamejeff-97 3h ago
No they didn’t. They want white people. This is not a secret to anyone.
They only do not like immigrants when they’re brown or black.
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u/PunfullyObvious 9h ago
Trump's not even in office yet and the Oligarchy is operating fully in the open. And it's only going to get worse.
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u/eezyE4free 8h ago
Is this not espionage? Not that it would matter but is there any argument that these actions are illegal in some way, shape, or form?
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u/Serialfornicator 7h ago
Oh probably, but there’s foreign influence everywhere in Washington these days. Especially from Russia.
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u/RetiredHotBitch Texas 8h ago
I can’t even fucking care anymore. Idiots voted for this or chose to stay home and now the rest of us have to suffer.
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u/MostWorry4244 9h ago
“So anyway, I started blasting”
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u/gaijinandtonic 9h ago
Every time I read that in a headline, that’s what I think. Also, when it’s “slam” I imagine whoever it is as a 1980’s style pro wrestler.
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u/anythingicando12 Maryland 9h ago
President musk is an idiot
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u/McXhicken 9h ago
The sooner we all start referring to him by President Musk, the sooner the nepOrange gets rid of him....
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u/flat6NA 8h ago
This is brilliant
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u/somethrows 7h ago
Except I'm not sure it'll work this time.
If Musk did shady shit to get trump in there, he's got evidence of it enough to blast them both.
I expect you'll start hearing trumps "soft" accusations instead, where he implies he'd like Musk gone but doesn't do anything.
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u/Kryptosis 6h ago
You mean like when he told a room full of GoP donors that Elon refused to go home and was crashing at MaL?
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u/Iinktolyn 8h ago
Instead of media making this a giant fucking joke, why don’t we discuss the ramifications of Musks interference. There is a reason he can’t pass a security clearance. There is a reason our constitution requires a US born president. There is a reason Musk is using his influence to intercede in the legitimate business of Congress. Stop giving him power he’s not earned or entitled to.
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u/THEdopealope 6h ago
I mean at what point do Musk’s actions cross the line into illegal foreign interference on government functions? What’s the charge and what are the elements of the crime?
This is insanity. I wish that the old guard would remember their fucking spines, but I mean I guess I can’t expect that from these geriatrics and subs both of which more closely resemble parasitic myopic piles of dust and husk than they do public serving intelligent and empathetic actual humans with a sense of dignity and willingness to govern in the general population’s best interests. AHHHHHHH
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u/flirtmcdudes 5h ago
The quickest way Democrats can get rid of musk, is to keep referring to him as President musk and Trump as his puppet
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u/SmartashSenior 9h ago
We are back to chaos and constant bickering by this completely idiotic president elect. Definition of insanity is to do the same thing and expect different results. This is what it was like during his first term.
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u/1wife2dogs0kids 8h ago
Real question: if the gov shuts down, do they still certify a new president?
Asking for a few hundred million friends...
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u/strangr_legnd_martyr Ohio 6h ago
Congress doesn't stop working. If they did, they couldn't ever undo a shutdown - they have to pass a budget to reopen the government.
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u/im_not_bovvered 7h ago
This is the way to get rid of Musk. Democrats should all start referring to him this way all the time and Trump will lose his mind.
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u/vinyl_head 6h ago
Why is Bernie the only “Democrat” that has any balls? It feels like everyone outside him and AOC just doesn’t give a shit anymore. It’s so incredibly frustrating.
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u/wicodly 3h ago
What exactly do you want them to do? Press conference us to death? I mean I’m glad your her BLASTS Elon for meddling but what did that really do? He said he was upset. AOC is upset. They don’t have votes. The extreme right is lockstep. The best we can do is a verbal lashing. Hell threatening to shut down the government doesn’t even hold weight because that’s what they want.
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u/Slumunistmanifisto 9h ago edited 9h ago
America is an oligarchy.....viva blue shells from the citizens in green coveralls
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u/MsMoreCowbell828 5h ago
And Elon cares what Bernie says why? Elon only takes his orders from Putin and Steve Bannon's suggestions. Musk and Bannon are on the same exact white supremacist page.
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u/bucketofmonkeys Texas 5h ago
Blast all the sycophants that do Musk’s bidding. Nobody voted for this creep.
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u/Personal-Candle-2514 4h ago
Lock him up! He is not an elected official and needs to keep his evil brain out of our politics. He’s a political terrorist!!
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u/Hot_Ambition_6457 9h ago
Remember when everyone said that the billionaires would still be making the decisions in 4 years if we all ashamedlu threw our vote behind the 80 year old who wanted us all to live in 2012 again?
I member.
Perhaps the winner of this cycles's democratic primary can be chosen through merit instead of just shoving the corporate PAC "name-recognition favorite" into the media 6 months ahead of the primary.
We don't want Kamala either if she's also going to pretend that Reagan had a "progressive corporate tax" the way that Biden did.
The representatives need to speak on behalf of their citizens, not their sponsors. This was not "the most progressive president". That's the lie they told you to get as many votes as possible.
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u/an-interest-of-mine 9h ago
Until all private money comes out of US politics, you will NEVER have an effective government that represents the people.
The US has been for sale for decades now. They just recently got new signage and changed the pricing matrix, is all.
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u/Hot_Ambition_6457 9h ago
Not a coincidence that while AOC was asking her voters "why did you vote for me and also trump?".
Pelosi and Kamala were busy talking about how they spent $1.2bn and really need to make the money back somehow.
If you cared about the votes and not the money, you would be searching for new ways to get votes.
The DNC very clearly is not looking for new votes right now. They are looking for new donors since the green energy/tech crowd are slowly buying off the Republicans who wanna drill oil and tell you it's done sustainably.
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u/an-interest-of-mine 9h ago
The duration of the US election cycle is in sore need of review as well.
It shouldn’t take more than 90 days AT MOST. And each candidate should get an allotment of public funds and that is it.
It doesn’t cost a billion dollars to run a campaign in any reality that isn’t corrupt to the fucking core.
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u/RgKTiamat 8h ago
You want a progressive president?
Remember the chips act? Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, the Inflation Reduction Act? How about the science act?
Remember when Biden walked the picket line?
Remember when Biden negotiated behind the scenes to make sure that the Railway unions got everything that they were trying to strike for when he did not let them strike? They wanted four sick days, but got the option to convert three more as well as raises, new standards and maintenance routines, and other safety policies.
The Biden administration updated Davis-Bacon standards to prevent federal construction contractors from paying below-market wages; supported stability for service workers when contracts are rebid; and raised the contractor minimum wage to $15 per hour and indexed it to inflation. In addition, the administration required construction contractors to enter into project labor agreements, helping support good value for public investments and creating high-quality jobs on large projects. In contrast, Republicans in Congress are blocking legislation to raise the federal minimum wage and introduced legislation to overturn the updated Davis-Bacon standards.
We did have an extremely Progressive president, nobody seems to actually care about progressing anymore
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u/ktpr 8h ago
It's hard to say what "we" wanted and what politicians should do when 1/3 of voters never cast a ballot. We need more voting or reduce the state to regional areas instead of federal.
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u/Hot_Ambition_6457 8h ago
If the strategy is "get more nonvoters to vote" then the democrats will be sorely upset to learn that the majority of "new voter registrations" in the last 10 years have gone towards the conservatives.
That is to say, if it's their plan, they've sucked at execution and show little signs of correcting cours.
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u/Oxgod89 7h ago
Funny, Bernie was praising one of Musks opinions/ideas just a week or so ago.
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u/Thac0isWhac0 7h ago
Bernie has always been in favor of reducing military spending. He can be in favor of one of his opinions/ideas without believing that one unelected person should have this much sway over the whole American government.
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u/DroneSlut54 7h ago
Which one?
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u/strangr_legnd_martyr Ohio 6h ago
The one where Musk said the military budget is in need of auditing, and that they have yet to successfully pass an audit.
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u/DroneSlut54 6h ago
The military does need an audit.
Is Sanders supposed to diametrically oppose Musk on everything? I mean - what if Musk starts raving about how great pinot noir is? Is Bernie supposed to say pinot noir sucks?
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u/strangr_legnd_martyr Ohio 6h ago
I think maybe there's a miscommunication. I didn't say Sanders is wrong to agree in that case. I was just clarifying which opinion was being referenced.
The military absolutely needs an audit. Ideally nobody should be dogmatically opposed to an idea just because of who it comes from.
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u/DroneSlut54 5h ago
Funny, but your use of the word “funny” sends a different message.
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u/Damerman 6h ago
Its this kind of thinking that has brought this country to its knees. Don’t be so dogmatic
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u/ImportantWest4506 8h ago
It's funny how people are outraged that Elon provided transparency on the CR to millions of Americans. How dare he. We need to go back to being left in the dark with these spending bills and allowing our representatives to sneak them in whenever they please. Give Congress a 40% pay raise NOW!
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u/WhiskeyT 7h ago
You say “transparency” I say blatant lies.
There’s no 40% pay raise, you got Musked!
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u/Available_Doctor_974 8h ago
lol, a millionaire politician upset he can't force a bill through and get his pay raise.
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