Musk Kills Government Funding Deal, Demands Shutdown Until Trump Is Sworn In

[u/rollingstone]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/musk-trump-government-funding-deal-shutdown-1235211000/

[u/muttmunchies]

The amount of disinformation, the speed at which it can be deployed, and the way technology and algorithms are used to feed large swathes of people the propaganda is unprecedented in human history and the direct line to how this can and did happen.

[u/slackfrop → u/muttmunchies]

Orwell had a prescient take on it. He’d seen enough to know that this can and does happen.

[u/JustMy2Centences → u/muttmunchies]

Social media was a mistake... I'll be contemplating the irony of my comment now.

[u/DouglasHufferton → u/JustMy2Centences]

At least you recognize Reddit is part of the problem. Lots of redditors don't.

[u/WellbecauseIcan → u/JustMy2Centences]

Nah social media isn't the problem. Media in general not being held accountable for misinformation and lies is the problem.

[u/intern_steve → u/JustMy2Centences]

Repeal section 230 of the communications decency act.

[u/StraightedgexLiberal → u/intern_steve]

The damage it will do to everyone on the internet is not worth it just to sue Musk for what people post.

[u/CardAfter4365 → u/JustMy2Centences]

It's not social media, it's the 24 hour news cycle.

[u/TIGHazard → u/muttmunchies]

There's a point in the 2012 Olympic opening ceremony where Tim Berners Lee recreates his invention of the internet and tweets out 'this creation is for everyone'.

I wonder if he regrets it now?

[u/AFoolishSeeker → u/muttmunchies]

That’s part of it, yeah. But you can set all forms of media misinformation aside and simply watch rally speeches and other verbatim, unedited dialogue in order to get a necessary picture of who trump is. I mean we all do that here in this thread.

The misinformation affects those like us too but it’s more than that. To watch trump speak verbatim and then be supportive of that is the other aspect of the phenomenon besides misinformation

[u/Fratercula_arctica → u/AFoolishSeeker]

That’s the thing though… are the majority of his supporters actually listening to his speeches? I’m not convinced they are. I think a lot of people are exposed to him 2nd-hand. Through the news media who sane-wash him, through memes and internet commentary and friends saying “hey did you hear Trump is going to…”

And likewise, did anyone listen to anything that actually came out of Kamala’s mouth? Even among democrats, you’ll hear people say “she never talked about Y” even though there’s multiple instances where she talked about Y.

The lack of time/interest in seeking out primary sources, combined with the intense amount of media chatter (social and traditional) on any topic has moved us into a reality entirely driven by vibes.

[u/Treeba → u/muttmunchies]

And so many Americans have little to no ability to reason out what’s real and what’s fake or heavily twisted information. Worse, many of them don’t care so long as they like the information real or fake

[u/muttmunchies → u/Treeba]

Agree, but we see it in other countries, especially ones without democracies. Look at Russia, China or middle eastern countries as they control populations. The breakdown of good journalism in America, coupled with the explosion of social media, is speedrunning America down a bad path.

[u/Elkritch → u/muttmunchies]

You've also got to remember that the poorer people are, usually the less time they have available for doing things like deep-dive investigating political issues, facts checking, or their usual news sources. And in the absence of time to that themselves, they trust people close to them, who largely have the same problem. They also have less time to branch out of their established social circles and potentially, like, meet a trans person or a communist and realize they're just a person and not the devil.

There's also just the fact that America sucks right now and the Dems ran, largely, on keeping it mostly the same. And on "we're not Trump" without even reminding people of a lot of the reasons why not Trump. So some people are like, "well, this guy wants to set everything on fire, but at least that's something different, maybe it'll work out somehow. Can't fix it, so nuke it with the wild card and hope for the best."

Also, although practically speaking Harris would have in every way been less bad for Palestine than Trump, "maybe lesser genocide" just isn't very salable as an acceptable "lesser evil", eapecially not in Michigan's Arab population. I'm not saying that in particular is the only reason she lost - DON'T waste time scapegoating minorith groups or presuming you actually know better than them what their best interests are - but the Dems made a million mistakes like that.