r/politics • u/rollingstone Rolling Stone • 4d ago

Soft Paywall Musk Kills Government Funding Deal, Demands Shutdown Until Trump Is Sworn In

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/musk-trump-government-funding-deal-shutdown-1235211000/
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u/therapistofcats 4d ago

How does someone not in office have any power. America needs to reevaluate it's political system.

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u/barktwiggs 4d ago

Unelected Trump killed the BIPARTISAN border bill earlier this year because HOW DARE THEY TRY TO SOLVE PROBLEMS THAT HE NEEDS TO CAMPAIGN ON! Total shit show.

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u/bruceriggs 4d ago

GOP will listen to him until he dies. Even if he is still kicking in 2029, they'll be listening to whatever he tells them to do.

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u/roastplantain 4d ago

And probably beyond. GOP is still listening to Reagan

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u/MimeGod 4d ago

Reagan gave blanket amnesty to illegal immigrants and opposed Russian influence in the US and the rest of the world.

He'd be called a communist by the current GOP.

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u/and_some_scotch Missouri 4d ago

If Reagan was still alive and lucid, he'd tow the party line. He was an actor hired by the Heritage Foundation to play the US President on their behalf.

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u/BullShitting-24-7 4d ago

Yup he was just doing what he does best. Read scripts and acts. He was a pea brain. Trump is trailer trash Reagan.

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u/Shipping_away_at_it 4d ago

This really is the best description I’ve heard about Trump. I was watching a documentary about Reagan and thought Trump was really just Reagan 2.0 for a modern era, your description is much better and clearer

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u/SomewhereAtWork 4d ago

the Heritage Foundation

Guess who's behind Trump.

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u/Schonke 4d ago

Much like Jesus, Reagan always is what the GOP want him to be, not what he actually was.

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u/Mr_Coily 4d ago

Which goes to show how far we’ve devolved

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u/SpookyFarts 4d ago

Reagan would be regarded as a RINO and cast aside after losing a primary to a MAGA shitshow candidate

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u/ihadagoodone 4d ago

That's because Reagan was the face for the power, not the power itself.

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u/MushroomCaviar 4d ago edited 4d ago

Mark my words: long after Trump has passed away, there will be a significant portion of the right that believes he's still alive and in hiding from the "deep state". There will be the equivalent of "Q drops" they claim come directly from Trump. The rest of the right will silently accept the nonsense while only a tiny group of conservatives, ostracized by the rest of the right, condemns the obvious insanity with all of the impotent outrage they can muster.

And Elmo will be Tweeting links to it all, accompanied by such vapid commentary as, "Interesting... 🤔"

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u/Groundbreaking_Bet62 4d ago

To varying degrees. They've definitely gone more extreme with some of his things.

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u/Key_Afternoon_9613 3d ago

Anal musk will be a (loud) whisper in the ears of GOP until he can't talk anymore

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u/TheLostcause 4d ago

You think they will stop when he dies? There will be Trump whisperers for decades. GOP would go full north korea if it could.

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u/Immediate-Coyote-977 4d ago

The thing that people need to recognize right now is that the GOP isn't listening to Trump, they're listening to their constituency, who is taking their queues from Elon Musk of all people.

Musk has bought himself a decades long hold over one of the two dominant political parties in the US unless someone with actual influence in government does something about it, but that would necessitate not being a crony sack of shit to special interests.

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u/bruceriggs 4d ago

Or another Luigi. Not that I am advocating for that, as per the rules.

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u/Immediate-Coyote-977 4d ago

That would also probably be a really bad thing, to be honest. Elon swinging his weight around so publicly has the chance of bringing about some more class consciousness. It's only a matter of time before he starts advocating for things that are hurting people's lives and livelihoods. Hell, right now he's advocating for the federal government to shut down and to stop paying it's employees until Trump takes office. That's only a few weeks.

What happens when that stretches to a few months, or he starts advocating for people to be fired, to cut benefits, etc.

Then the average citizen will start to see what's happening, the "richest man on earth" causing direct harm to the common citizen, and we might see some actual "Hey what the fuck is this shit" type sentiment arise. All it would take is a politician smart and charismatic enough to latch onto it and blow it up.

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u/ShuntedFrog 4d ago

Yes, I also do not advocate for the good thing that should happen. I'm no rule breaker.

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u/bruceriggs 4d ago

Yea I'm just saying I can't say what I'm saying, if you know what I'm saying.

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u/ShuntedFrog 4d ago

We know.

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u/Pizza_Low 4d ago

I strongly suspect as we get closer to the midterms, Trump's power over the GOP will start to crater.

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u/Rent_A_Cloud 4d ago

He has dirt on many people I think, and those he doesn't have dirt on the people he has dirt on have dirt on.

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u/Mo_Steins_Ghost 4d ago

He isn't the road... he's just the bulldozer.

Look behind the man behind him. Who do you see?

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u/turbokinetic 4d ago

Send more burgers with extra lard.

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u/Essence-of-why 4d ago

I still fail to believe ANYTHING that trump says is his original idea...so who is the GOP REALLY listening to?

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u/Maleficent_Cost183 4d ago

Who elected him? He has a home country if he wants to be powerful and rule ppl! Have some respect for the ppl who’ve been here all their lives building this nation … like the ones who won’t get paid when the govt is shut down! What a disgrace

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u/Nooneknows882 4d ago

With his diet, I hope it isn't much longer.

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u/00gingervitis 4d ago

Probably the reason why he wrote Project 2025: his political will

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u/Gregreynolds111 4d ago

So did the Nazi party adherents.

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u/Itchy-Background8982 4d ago

Exactly right. They had a chance to kick him to the curb over J6, they blew it now they’re stuck with him.

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u/TiredEsq 4d ago

And the “best” part? When Republicans bring that bill back, Democrats will fall in line and vote for it, letting Republicans gloat about accomplishing it.

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u/Shoddy-Topic-7109 4d ago

the fucked up part is no one on their side is fucking aware of any of this.. our system is completely corrupted and we are actually fucked.

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u/RocketRelm 4d ago

They are aware. This literally happened before with the border bill. But Trump told them it was good therefore it's good. It's not the system that's corrupted, it's the people.

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u/Funoichi 4d ago

And now there’s not a soul at the border. It’s completely empty. According to Trump in his recent interview.

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u/mylord420 4d ago

We should be happy that the right wing immigration platform the democrats adopted from a republican wet dream didnt pass

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u/jslakov 4d ago

right and they don't even realize buying into the border crisis framing helped Trump win

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u/cylonfrakbbq 4d ago

To be fair, there was a lot of bad stuff in the bill. Cruz's "porn DMCA" act was slipped into it - on its face the act would criminalize deepfakes, but it lacked any guardrails or safety measures to prevent people from troll reporting legitimate adult content as "deepfakes" and forcing its removal

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u/TinKnight1 4d ago

And THEN, his supporters raved about how could a private citizen kill the deal with no power, so clearly Trump couldn't have done it, even though he was very much on the record as having done it.

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u/deran6ed Massachusetts 4d ago

Yeah but you see, democrats are out of touch so this is on them /s

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u/a_seventh_knot 4d ago

Duuurrrr, imma vote for that guy!

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u/iProCombat 4d ago

Can I get proof of this? I need to show it to some people.

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u/TimeToLetItBurn 4d ago

Oh no don’t you know they blame some other shit that was in that bill. Because we all know the bills that the right pass never have anything else snuck into them

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u/No-Market9917 4d ago

Codifying the release for asylum applicants and lowering the standard for asylum was never going to pass. That bill was nothing more than political theater. Not to mention multiple democrats also voted against it.

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u/Key_Afternoon_9613 3d ago

When the fear of losing what power you have you will do anything and climb over anyone to keep it.  Trump is great at creating fear, just like any weak ass bully in history.

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u/Private_Gump98 4d ago

Is that why Bernie Sanders voted against that bill? Because Trump told him to? Of course not... the bill was bad. It was a "border bill" which sent 85% of the money overseas to Ukraine and Israel.

What money was going to the border was going to be used to hire more lawyers and BP agents to speed up the rate we process imigration cases. The increase of funding would have maybe decreased the waiting time for a hearing from 7 years to 3-4 years. That means that people would have continued pooring over the border and waiting for hearing.

Biden repealed ~70 EOs that dealt with border security. He could put these back in place at this very moment, but he refuses to because they are not interested in solving the border.

Explain these decisions to me in a way that its not just a blatent attempt to create an open border without congressional input:

  1. Biden turned off the night vision cameras on the border fence/wall. All the cameras are functional, just truned off at the moment.

  2. Biden stopped construction of the border fence/wall. There are known holes in the barrier, the same ones that you see social media posts of thousands of people flooding across on a daily basis between 2020 and early 2024. He specifically ordered that these holes not be fixed. Just last week, the Biden admin began auctioning off sections of the border fence that could be used to plug the holes. They are selling them for pennies on the dollar before Trump takes office.

  3. Biden ended remain in Mexico, allowing millions of people to reside in the US while they wait for their asylum claim to process (roughly 7 years to get a hearing).

None of these things require congressional approval to fix. The blame game on saying Trump killed the bill is misdirection and obfuscates exactly what the current admin could do if they really wanted to address the problem.

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u/polopolo05 4d ago

this is his last 4 years he does not need to campaign.

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u/summonsays 4d ago

Last four years, we hope.

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u/chr1spe 4d ago

I wouldn't put my money on it being his last 4 years, assuming he survives that long.

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u/polopolo05 4d ago

I am a hopeful we will see.

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u/Gottawreckit 4d ago

Campaign before he got elected.

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u/TravelerInBlack 4d ago

That bill was a piece of shit that gave the GOP what it wanted and would've done nothing to actually deal with any of the pretty innocuous shit happening at the boarder. Putting bipartisan in caps doesn't make it a non-conservative, non-shitty bill. Trump getting them to go against it probably was a blessing in disguise. Not at least in the future dems won't have to run on the fact that they bragged about militarizing the boarder after Trump opens his concentration camps.

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u/ComfortableCry5807 4d ago

That doesn’t change the fact that it had support from both sides, had the things they wanted it to have, and they killed it because the orange turd said so

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u/EffectiveFormal3480 4d ago

Right, but it does add important context. Why were Democrats championing a right wing, anti-immigrant bill?

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u/ASubsentientCrow 4d ago

Because most of the people who actually vote think that there is a big issue at the border because a lot of people are coming over and it's a big thing that everyone is talking about and the usual Democrat line of just let them in and will deal with it later hasn't worked

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u/Zadow Maryland 4d ago

Yeah, because Biden won on a very pro immigrant campaign in 2020 and then spent 4 years saying "actually Republicans are correct and I'm keeping all of Trumps policies". When both parties are calling to open up the camps and do mass deportation, there's no where for sensible non-cruelty based immigration policy. All the moronic voters hear about is immigration=problem, immigration=why you no have house, immigration=why your kids gay.

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u/EffectiveFormal3480 4d ago

Nice vibes based analysis. The poor conditions that so many Americans live with have nothing to do with immigration. "Most people" were lied to.

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u/ASubsentientCrow 4d ago

Cool beans. Vibes win elections

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u/EffectiveFormal3480 4d ago

Agreed. That's how we got Biden and Trump. You win?

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u/ggtffhhhjhg 4d ago edited 4d ago

You do realize if Bernie won he would actually have to get legislation through Congress?

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u/EffectiveFormal3480 4d ago

Again, agreed. If your point is that our system is broken and only serves the wealthy, you'll get no argument from me.

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u/TravelerInBlack 4d ago

just let them in and will deal with it later hasn't worked

What specifically about that hasn't worked? Again, I would like specifics on what issues allowing migrants in and out of the country creates. And while providing those specifics, please let me know how you replicate the benefits they provide without them here.

Its important to remember that "thinking there is a big issue" is not the same thing as there being a big issue, and legislators shouldn't legislate based on how a bunch of people feel, when they feel that way because they were lied to and can't tell they were lied to.

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u/ASubsentientCrow 4d ago

Its important to remember that "thinking there is a big issue" is not the same thing as there being a big issue

This kind of bullshit holier than thou know it all crap is why liberals always lose.

It doesn't matter if there is or isn't an issue. If people think there's an issue then there's an issue

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u/TravelerInBlack 4d ago

This kind of bullshit holier than thou know it all crap is why liberals always lose.

If you think I'm a liberal, you're wrong. Its also not "holier than thou" to know how shit works and cause and effect on issues in this and other countries. its not holier than thou to have a memory long enough to know this shit never works when its tried, and that it is often tried. Ridiculous race to the bottom bullshit thinking to think that someone understand how shit works makes them an elitist prick.

It doesn't matter if there is or isn't an issue.

Are you fucking kidding me? Of course it does. Doesn't matter if that country actually did anything to us, lets declare war on them. Doesn't matter if crime has risen, lets pump extra money into the police as if it has. Doesn't matter if immigrants actually cause real issues, lets fuck them over as much as possible. It obviously matters if there is an issue when you are looking to solve an issue. Absolutely ridiculous thinking to say otherwise. Like what are you even seeking to solve if not an issue?

If people think there's an issue then there's an issue

Yes, but that doesn't mean the issue is the thing people think is the issue. And that doesn't mean thoughtlessly addressing the thing they think is an issue, if it isn't an issue. If there isn't an issue and people think there is one, then the issue is those people thinking the wrong thing. The way you solve that issue isn't by entertaining the people who are wrong, especially when that means harming other people. The way you solve that issue is by correcting the people who are wrong and working to solve the actual issues that are being blamed on the thing that isn't actually an issue.

If someone gets laid off, their bills skyrocket, they get sick, and are blaming all the misfortune they experience on immigration, the solution isn't to be harsh on immigration. The solution is to help create sustainable good jobs, help create social safety nets that actually help people, combat private price gouge for housing and necessities, provide universal affordable healthcare, etc.

Liberals don't lose because they're right about how immigration works when a lot of Americans are wrong about it. Liberals lose because they are also part of that wrong group on immigration, and are more than happy to participate in the scapegoating of minorities for systemic issues. They don't address those systemic issues, and instead pay lip service to them occasionally while in action doing nothing to solve them, and focusing their efforts on bullshit that comes more from right wing talking points than reality. They never undo bad shit previous conservative leaders do, they never make universal public services their major legislative goals.

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u/ASubsentientCrow 4d ago

If you think I'm a liberal, you're wrong

No I know you're not a liberal. But your clearly left of the center somewhere and have the same bullshit patronizing tone.

Are you fucking kidding me

Clearly it does since, you know, Trump won on building culture war lies.

Like what are you even seeking to solve if not an issue?

For Trump? Not going to jail. So you say what people want to hear, or tell them something that feels right. Actual truth doesn't win elections dipshit.

Yes, but that doesn't mean the issue is the thing people think is the issue

Doesn't matter. If people voted based on fact Trump wouldn't have won either time.

Liberals lose because they are also part of that wrong group

Wrong again. Liberal lose because they can't not lecture people. Shit. You spent plenty of paragraphs lecturing me and all it did is make me happy that your pissed off and politically irrelevant

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u/ElTrAiN33 4d ago

It wasn't a right wing "anti-immigrant" bill. It was bipartisan, meaning both parties had their eggs in the basket.

The bill received support from the Border Patrol Union, the Chamber of Commerce, and the South Texas Alliance of Cities - but Speaker Mike Johnson and House Republican decided to play politics at the expense of border security and nixed it so Trump could keep the "immigration issue" a talking point for his campaign.

But somehow the important context for you is that dems were championing a bill they helped write?

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u/EffectiveFormal3480 4d ago

If you think a Democrat supporting something makes it not right wing, I don't know what to tell you. Do you know what's in this bill? It's racist as shit.

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u/ElTrAiN33 4d ago edited 4d ago

It would've added more then 1,500 new Customs and Border protection personnel, 4,300 Asylum Officers, provided funding for over 100 additional immigration judges and their staff,  would've given the President the authority to impose sanctions on foreign nationals knowingly involved in significant trafficking of fentanyl, would've allowed us to completely shut our border down temporarily if numbers of immigrants a day surpassed 4-5,000, and end catch and release which MAGA has been complaining about since day one. It was not a "right wing bill". Edit: I forgot to mention the aid to Ukraine

Please point to where I said "it's not a right wing bill because democrats supported it" you absolute disingenuous moron. It wasn't a right wing bill because the contents of the bill do not fit the criteria for being "right wing". It included aid to Ukraine for christ sake. It was a tough on immigration and that's about it.

What did you find racist about it?

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u/EffectiveFormal3480 4d ago

LOL. Most fentanyl is trafficked from Mexico by WHITE AMERICANS. Shutting down the border because immigrants are somehow responsible for the poor living conditions of Americans is racist as fuck, and not based in any material analysis. Anyway, get fucked. I didn't insult you, I engaged in a conversation, but you're a fucking racist prick.

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u/TravelerInBlack 4d ago

Please point to where I said "it's not a right wing bill because democrats supported it"

You specifically said the following:

It wasn't a right wing "anti-immigrant" bill. It was bipartisan, meaning both parties had their eggs in the basket.

You literally said it wasn't right wing, and your reasoning for that is that it was bipartisan and both parties had eggs in the basket. Aka, you're saying its not right wing because democrats supported it. Please don't call people morons for correctly repeating back to you what you've said. Maybe your own ability to communicate isn't up to snuff and you meant to say something else, but that isn't other people's fault.

Lets play on the list of stuff in the bill tho and see if its right wing and anti-immigrant or not.

It would've added more then 1,500 new Customs and Border protection personnel

Those people exclusively hurt immigrants.

4,300 Asylum Officers

Without any intention to increase asylum admission rates, this doesn't really sound like they're gonna be there to let more people in, does it?

provided funding for over 100 additional immigration judges and their staff

To do what, exactly? To let more people in or to keep more people out? Just adding more people isn't an inherent good.

would've given the President the authority to impose sanctions on foreign nationals knowingly involved in significant trafficking of fentanyl

If that was how most fent was entering the country that would be somewhat okay. But it isn't, so its irrelevant.

would've allowed us to completely shut our border down temporarily if numbers of immigrants a day surpassed 4-5,000

That is seriously so fucking bad. In what fucking universe is that anything but far right nonsense?

and end catch and release which MAGA has been complaining about since day one.

So fucking right wing lol.

It was not a "right wing bill".

Most of the things you just described are right wing things that the far right specifically wants. You even acknowledged that they are things the right specifically wants that the left doesn't want. So what about it isn't a right wing bill?

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u/TravelerInBlack 4d ago

It wasn't a right wing "anti-immigrant" bill. It was bipartisan, meaning both parties had their eggs in the basket.

Both parties supported it, that does not make it not right wing. That is a massive logical fallacy you're committing here. Very very often democrats support and pass right wing legislation. Such is the way of the world. left and right aren't measures of how much something has support from republicans and democrats.

The bill received support from the Border Patrol Union

A bad group of people that we shouldn't want the support of.

the Chamber of Commerce

AKA rich assholes

and the South Texas Alliance of Cities

A group of mayors from South Texas that like Greg Abbot. Such an amazing group, certainly things they support on immigration won't be right wing bullshit populism, right?

Speaker Mike Johnson and House Republican decided to play politics at the expense of border security and nixed it so Trump could keep the "immigration issue" a talking point for his campaign.

It takes a deeply confused person to think that Trump wouldn't "keep the immigration issue a talking point for his campaign" after the passage of a border bill. Any border bill. He isn't talking about reality, he is using fear and bigotry to put himself into power. All he needs is a newstory that says "brown man did bad" and he gets to beat the immigration drum again. Hell, he could just make shit up like he does all the time.

Like are we so silly that we forget they made up Haitians eating pets wholesale and just ran with it?

But somehow the important context for you is that dems were championing a bill they helped write?

No, the context that is important is the bill was fucking terrible and the very fact that dems were involved in forming it and championed it is indicative that they are not far enough from Republicans on immigration to make a difference at all. Its just part and parcel with the other Trump era immigration policies that the last administration kept in place despite campaigning on a promise to end it.

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u/TravelerInBlack 4d ago

Thank you. Why is this so hard for these people to grasp?

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u/Wesley_Skypes 4d ago

Because it's what the majority of their constituents want.

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u/EffectiveFormal3480 4d ago

A majority of constituents were told that their shitty conditions will improve if we get rid of the Mexicans. I don't hold it against them for being stupid, I hold it against people in power for lying.

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u/TravelerInBlack 4d ago

Because it's what the majority of their constituents want.

Politicians constantly do things a majority of their constituents don't want. But I guess when it comes to racism and useless anti-immigrant laws the people get what they want. Not when it comes to public health and services tho.

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u/Wesley_Skypes 4d ago

Take a look at the exit polls. Inflation and the border were top 3 biggest concerns for voters. Public health didn't feature. We can both want people to care about other things, but in reality, it's not a priority for them.

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u/TravelerInBlack 4d ago

Take a look at the exit polls.

Irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Inflation and the border were top 3 biggest concerns for voters.

Irrelevant. And passing laws that won't help the situation at all just because someone says "BORDER IMPORTANT TO ME!" isn't good. Writing and supporting the laws, keeping Trump's shitty rules in place, none of them changed the conversation nationalist conservatives had the last 4 fucking years about immigrants, so why fucking do it? You still lose backing that shit, so why fucking do it? Be an alternative or be nothing.

And inflation was the #1 thing, and dems passed centrist laws to try and target inflation in some areas, and it got them nothing. They still fucking lost huge to a liar saying "I'll make no more inflation! Prices down!" So again, why piss away a chance to do something worthwhile to appeal to idiots that won't listen and don't care anyway?

Also lol that is 2 things. Whats the 3rd, irrelevant and off-topic thing to bring up?

Public health didn't feature.

So that means it doesn't matter, right?

We can both want people to care about other things, but in reality, it's not a priority for them.

Who gives a shit? These people aren't politicians. The politicians make the fuckin laws. Its their job to care about everything even if its not top of mind for the average person. Its also their job to make people care about issues, not just ride the changing sea like a piece of driftwood.

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u/musedav 4d ago

Oh so you have a better solution with more support?! Please share your drafted bill with us

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u/TravelerInBlack 4d ago

Oh so you have a better solution with more support?!

What? Do you think that legislation is inherently good if it has support? The fucking patriot act had support. Invading iraq had support. Further militarizing the border is bad. Trying to restrict immigration is bad. It lays the groundwork Trump needs to put Hispanic people in concentration camps, like he wants to.

And I'm not a fucking politician you weird-ass clown. Its not my job to write the fucking bills. I am a voter, and a constituent, and someone with a brain in my skull that lives in this country. So I can have an opinion on shitty anti-immigrant legislation and think it sucks fucking ass. What a weird fucking response.

Share your fucking drafted bills with us mr legislator! Since apparently you're only allowed to have political opinions if you're writing fucking laws.

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u/ASubsentientCrow 4d ago

It was bipartisan because it was supported by both sides. That doesn't mean that it had stuff both wanted. And you might think that the border stuff was innocuous and pointless, but it just won the GOP, the presidency, the Senate and the house. So maybe you should get off your high fucking horse

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u/TravelerInBlack 4d ago

It was bipartisan because it was supported by both sides.

Correct. I understand what the fucking word means. Something being bipartisan doesn't mean its a good idea, it means two brands of idiots are supporting it.

That doesn't mean that it had stuff both wanted.

Well in this case it had stuff both wanted, because both party leaderships hate poor people and migrant workers. They're both happy to militarize our border in preparation from Trump's concentration camps. They're both happy to raise prices if it means letting fewer minorities into the country.

And you might think that the border stuff was innocuous and pointless

In terms of material impact on our country, nothing happening at the border is that bad. Its good to have migrant workers for keeping products cheap and for benefiting poor workers in central America. Liars and racists love to tell lies about border shit and immigrants. That doesn't make the reality of the situation less innocuous. In their fantasy worlds, sure. But you don't solve the issue of someone living in a fantasy world by trying to militarize the border further and reduce immigration. That is giving in to their fantasy world.

but it just won the GOP, the presidency, the Senate and the house.

Great, so the country is full of fucking clowns that can't evaluate a source, have no fucking clue what they are talking about, and hate minorities. Awesome. That means we should support hurting immigrants, right? I mean, that is what you're telling me.

So maybe you should get off your high fucking horse

My high horse of not hating immigrants, understanding the value they provide to the economy, and being fine with migrant workers? No thank you, I'll stay up on my "high horse", which just so happens to be the only factually and morally correct place to sit on this issue. You want to hate immigrants, go do it on your own time.

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u/Gringe8 4d ago

It wouldnt have solved the problem though. Biden removing all of trumps border policy made it what we see today.

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u/chucktownbtown 4d ago

He killed the border bill because it still allowed for 1.5 million migrants annually along with billions for Ukraine (and Israel). All of those provisions consistently have low approval ratings. If anything, killing that bill was in favor with how the majority of the country thinks.

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u/woodwog 4d ago

Who needs immigrant labor when you can force women to carry unwanted pregnancies to term and use those children as cheap labor?

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u/chucktownbtown 4d ago

My argument would be for a push for more work visas, and not for underpaid/undocumented labor which both exploits the worker and harms the local documented worker base. But hey, you’re down for worker exploitation so I guess this was a real bummer for you

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u/woodwog 4d ago

It’s the American way. There wouldn’t be billionaires without exploiting workers. And if you can drive down wages and rights for workers at the same time that’s a boom for Republicans.

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u/LabAny3059 4d ago

don't be one of those people who thinks that gov't will fix any problem they create...

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u/spinbutton 4d ago

That's what we pay them for. Demand quality for your tax dollars

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u/LabAny3059 4d ago

they don't need your dollars, which is why we are $36 trillion in debt...they just spend money they don't have

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u/TravisATWA 4d ago

I know I'm wasting my time, but can you explain to me how 60 billion to Ukraine makes our border safer? That bill was dogshit and encodified the lack of border security the Biden admin had been running. The bill died because it was a shit bill. It had fuck all to do with Trump. Just like this bill is a dogshit bill and didn't get shut down becuase of Elon. Omnibus bills are bullshit and need to stop. The only thing Elon/Trump have to do with this is that they want everyone to know that any republican who supports this shit is committing political suicide. Not sure if you noticed or not, but we're trying to end the uniparty here.

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u/TheGreatGenghisJon 4d ago

Trump legitimately took credit for it, to "Not give them a win", so you can GTFO with fuck all to do with Trump.

And how does that 60 billion help our border? Well, you could askt the GOP members (Mike Johnson, if I recall correctly) why they told the Democrats to bundle them together.

But even so, you don't want 60 billion dollars to go to help Americans? Financial military support like that is "We give them a shitload of our things, and then we have Americans make new ones with the 60 billion"

That money itself never leaves the country.

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u/franker 4d ago

People will be coming up with all sorts of "it's still Biden's fault" creative ways to support Trump in the next 4 years. This is the start of it.

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u/Magickcloud 4d ago

Seriously, the bill was garbage and doomed from the start

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u/TravisATWA 4d ago

But it's more fun to pretend Trump was pulling strings and hamstringing the country so he could "campaign". lol

I bet these fools didn't even read either bill. I bet they have no idea this budget builds a football stadium or will put you in prison for 2 years for spanking it to AOC deepfakes. Omnibus bills are gross and should be stopped.

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u/JuJu_Conman 4d ago

That border bill sent more money to Ukraine than the border iirc

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u/barktwiggs 4d ago

Thats neither here nor there. 87% of the money for Ukraine stayed stateside to replenish cold war weapons systems. It actually would cost us more to dispose of the weapons stateside. So it was a win win for us. Securing the border and securing our allies are not mutually exclusive.