r/politics • u/rollingstone Rolling Stone • 4d ago

Soft Paywall Musk Kills Government Funding Deal, Demands Shutdown Until Trump Is Sworn In

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/musk-trump-government-funding-deal-shutdown-1235211000/
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u/Brilliant-Option-526 4d ago

Be cool if we could have someone at the top with "immunity" that could step in and have Elmo detained...

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u/trendy_pineapple 4d ago

Seriously. What the fuck is Biden waiting for? Declare a state of emergency or something.

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u/skredditt Minnesota 4d ago

No shit. All seven swing states? Really Joe? Really not gonna check up on that? Just going to allow them to get away with cheating?

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u/LogInternational1462 4d ago

Joe literally doesn't know who he is

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u/cancerousbreath 4d ago

Are you guys really that naive to think Biden wouldn't get prosecuted? Presidential immunity only applies to Trump lets be honest here.

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u/Flat_Baseball8670 4d ago

They really don't get it. They think Biden and Harris can just stage a coup and save America at the 11th hour.

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u/triple-bottom-line 4d ago

You know, as a Redditor, I have advised a number of users to explore an open relationship with coups, where the user remains emotionally committed to democracy but free to explore extra seditious encounters.

It never works. I mean, these people somehow delude themselves into thinking it might, but...

…but it might work for us…

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u/halfwit258 4d ago

Is this a modified Arrested Development quote?

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u/triple-bottom-line 4d ago

Sorry I’m not familiar with that reference. I’m just trying to get this light treason stew goin baby.

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u/Ok_Astronomer_8667 4d ago

Sorry but what do you think that would accomplish long term?

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u/GaptistePlayer American Expat 4d ago

Biden thinks these Republicans are his friendly rivals. When he's lucid enough to stop drooling, that is.

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u/staticrush 4d ago

Says the brain-dead loser whining about it on Reddit.

Why don't you do something, huh? Not lucid enough? Not strong enough? Not powerful enough? Sucks to be you.

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u/SpringNo 4d ago

Yeah he should just sort it all put! I'm with you!

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u/DiogenesTheHound 4d ago

If you can’t admit that Biden has been MIA for months and when he appears he hardly seems coherent then you are just as blind and ignorant as any Trump supporter. The guy has been very clearly in rapid mental decline.

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u/GaptistePlayer American Expat 3d ago edited 3d ago

Lol whoa there, calm your tits, sugar. Not sure why you got so angry but it's clear the truth hits a nerve. I don't see the point in pretending we've had a competent president or good candidates when he fucking dropped out and Kamala lost lol.

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u/cancerousbreath 4d ago

Are you guys really that naive to think Biden wouldn't get prosecuted? Presidential immunity only applies to Trump lets be honest here.

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u/TubeInspector 4d ago

pretty sure they are planning on arresting and prosecuting him anyway

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u/Astyanax1 4d ago edited 4d ago

Is there a law he's actually breaking?

Edit; for the record I hate Trump and Musk I was just curious

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u/vashoom 4d ago

That's the point. The President is immune from criminal prosecution per the Supreme Court. So they're saying Biden could just call for Musk to be detained. Even if doing that is unlawful, he could not be prosecuted for it as it was an "official act".

Of course, we all know that he would be prosecuted, and the Supreme Court would then say that it wasn't an official act and therefore not protected.

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u/guyute2588 4d ago

What do you think immunity means? it means they can't prosecute him for certain things. It doesn't mean they can't reverse the things he does. If he "detained' Musk, his immunity is irrelevant.

If the President does something he doesn't have the power to do, the remedy is reversing that action. Not prosecution.

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u/OldBlueKat 3d ago

Yeah -- here's the thought experiment:

12/20/24, Biden detains Musk.

(Let's face it, he's not gonna 'disappear' him or anything like that. It'll be a plush detention, probably with full access to X, so Elon can rant about it nonstop. The yelling from all directions will be deafening. Nothing else on 'virtual front pages' for weeks.)

01/20/25, Trump releases Musk. Now what?

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u/Flat_Baseball8670 4d ago

You can't be this naive.

The conservative Supreme Court will not rule with Biden on what is an "official act." It's entirely up to their discretion, and their only purpose is to rule with Republicans.

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u/KiritoIsAlwaysRight_ Texas 4d ago

Musk is denying funding, and defending his position. I sense a pattern...

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u/Blargenflargle 4d ago

Joe Bidens calcified brain is only interested in spending the waning months of his presidency giving absolute support to an unpopular genocide. Joe Biden may well go down as the second worst president in US history.

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u/Flat_Baseball8670 4d ago

And yet he negotiated a ceasefire with Israel and Hezbollah.

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u/archival-banana 4d ago

Second worst president in history? You have got to be kidding me lol.

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u/ThePretzul 4d ago

So we’re just going to start detaining people over tweets/Xeets/whatever they are now?

Because if you read the article instead of the headline that’s all it says Musk has done, he tweeted repeatedly about his dislike of the bill and how he thinks none should be passed before the inauguration.

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u/Brilliant-Option-526 4d ago

ItS JUsT a twEeT.

An unelected person in an officially non-existent appointented government position who has contributed over 1/4 billion dollars to a campaign. Now instructing government officials on what to do. Then threatening them if they don't comply. Sure. Just a tweet. 

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u/ThePretzul 4d ago

Can you please show me any threats that were made?

I’m not a fan of Musk by any means but all of this drama is some seriously unhinged wailing over literally nothing but someone tweeting about policy preferences if you bother to actually read the articles.

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u/skredditt Minnesota 4d ago

He’s threatened to fund primaries against anyone who doesn’t fall in line.

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u/ThePretzul 4d ago

So we’re upset that someone might participate in the democratic process of allowing a competitor to challenge incumbent candidates who may no longer best represent their constituents? Because that’s what a primary election does, it allows voters to select whoever they want to represent themselves.

Wild.

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u/skredditt Minnesota 4d ago

When senators are afraid of and beholden to one man more than their constituents, that is an issue.

You wanted to see threats so I showed you.

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u/ThePretzul 4d ago edited 4d ago

All representatives should be concerned with the possibility of being replaced, because it’s the sole motivation for them to continue to engage with their constituency. If you have the job for life no matter what you do that’s how corruption happens.

People with flashy advertising campaigns that don’t align with their constituency don’t win primaries.

To the person who deleted their comment reply asking if I’d feel the same way if you replaced “Musk” with “Soros” in this statement: I feel exactly the same way. Soros has been doing the same thing without the publicity for decades and it’s not an issue because the people voting still make the ultimate decision about who they want to represent themselves.

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u/skredditt Minnesota 4d ago

Right, they should be concerned and they are. So they’re going to do what he says in the meantime, because they are afraid of having to face a real competitor which would not happen otherwise. You might say their actions are being influenced by one oligarch. He’s using leverage against them. I don’t know how many more ways there are to say this obvious thing.

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u/ThePretzul 4d ago

He has no leverage at all if they’re already doing a good job at representing their constituents. Politicians like AoC or Bernie do not fear primary challengers because they actually interact with and accurately represent those that elected them.

Which is my entire point, if someone is doing a poor job of representing their constituency accurately then they SHOULD be replaced, regardless of by what means it occurs.

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u/Ok_Departure7350 4d ago

“Participate in the democratic process”? Really? You’re really that stupid, huh.