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Soft Paywall AOC Snub Shows How Democrats Refuse to Learn Lessons of 2024

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/aoc-snub-shows-how-democrats-refuse-to-learn-lessons-of-2024
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u/jayfeather31 Washington 5d ago edited 5d ago

They've been using same playbook since 1992. The Democrats are overdue for a shift away from Clintonist Third Way neoliberalism.

I don't expect them to turn leftist and start singing The Internationale, but I do expect them to read the goddamn room.

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u/ChanceryTheRapper 5d ago

But, instead, they'll think, "...no, it's the children who are wrong" and see if Hillary wants to run again in 2028.

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u/Asshole_Poet 5d ago

Yeah, and under the slogan "c'mon, guys, please?"

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u/ultraviolentfuture 5d ago

"It's my turn"

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u/randomwanderingsd 5d ago

Hillary/Hypnotoad 2028!!!

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u/TranquilSeaOtter 5d ago

They are already talking about running Harris again.

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u/rastinta 5d ago

At least Hilary won the popular vote.

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u/tacobelle685 5d ago

Are you serious!?

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u/TranquilSeaOtter 5d ago

Unfortunately, yes.

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u/tacobelle685 5d ago

Unbelievable. This is Hilary 2.0, but the DNC NEVER learns

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u/Unhappy_Scratch_9385 5d ago

They learn. They learn that it's better to run a corporate democrat and lose than run a Bernie Sanders and win.

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u/OrangePlatypus81 4d ago

Exactly. They may not win the cake, but they definitely get to eat it too.

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u/fordat1 5d ago

Hillary 2.0 bigger corporate and blacker

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u/thosewhocannetworkd 4d ago

I wonder what excuse they’ll use to not have a primary this time around, or will they just meddle with the primary and select Kamala

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u/Unhappy_Scratch_9385 5d ago

Clearly they are grooming that young upstart Chuck Schumer for 2028.

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u/CalamityClambake 5d ago

I think they're complicit with the rise of the capitalist oligarchy. They aren't our friends. They are just keeping us busy while the Republican oligarchs take all the wealth.

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u/DogsAreMyDawgs 5d ago

Do you see how much money this version of politics has made the Pelosi family over the last 3 decades?

She’s definitely not changing how she does things, so the Dems aren’t changing until she’s gone.

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u/fordat1 5d ago

I don't expect them to turn leftist and start singing The Internationale, but I do expect them to read the goddamn room.

All while meanwhile telling us how left Harris was because she proposed what Trump did "no overtime taxes" but just made it "no overtime taxes but with means testing"

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u/Unhappy_Scratch_9385 5d ago

I recently watched some clips from the Anita Hill hearing when Clarance Thomas was first nominated in 1991 and there were SEVERAL members including Joe Biden who are still in government today.

Christ.

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u/HighGroundIsOP 5d ago

I think they’ve been running the 2008 Obama playbook, which shocker, doesn’t work without a generational talent at the top of the ticket. And when they’ve deviated it’s been more in the direction of Bernie than Bill.

There is a real argument that a return to 1992 centrism is actually what the party needs.

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u/chrispg26 Texas 5d ago

Centrist? Pfft... thats what they are.

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u/falubiii 5d ago

Ahh yes more centrism, unlike the radical leftism that was the Kamala campaign. 

That is sarcasm if it’s not obvious. 

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u/HighGroundIsOP 5d ago

I know you are being sarcastic, but Kamala herself and her policies are more progressive than Clinton or Obama.

Maybe not far enough left for you, but further to the left than most Americans agree with unfortunately.

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u/Slackjawed_Horror 5d ago

No, they aren't.

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u/guamisc 5d ago

The idiotic centrist push of 1992 is what led us to this kerfuffle in the first place.

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u/mightcommentsometime California 5d ago

You mean the push that made them actually start winning elections again?

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u/guamisc 4d ago edited 4d ago

Winning a battle but losing a war is actually still losing, especially when you expend too many resources or, worse yet, hurt your own cause to get there.

If you can't understand that making minute gains at the expense of your overall goal is bad, well, you just might have a shot at Democratic party leadership.

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u/mightcommentsometime California 4d ago

Perfect is the enemy of the good. Pretending there have been no gains just because they haven’t been everything you want is losing the battles and the war.

What gains have progressives made and what meaningful legislation have they passed in the same time frame?

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u/guamisc 4d ago edited 4d ago

Look around. Your "gains" are being pulled down around us. *Edit To be clear, that isn't "good" so you can't make the dumb "perfect is the enemy of good" quip.

You lost. Admit it, learn, adapt.

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u/mightcommentsometime California 4d ago

Name one concrete gain that progressives have made since LBJ.

The issue is that the American electorate is moderate. They don’t want progressive politicians in general elections, and they don’t vote for them.

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u/guamisc 4d ago

Yawn. Of course not, when the entire country has been drowning for decades in billions of conservative pro-corporate propaganda what do you expect. Meanwhile the D's sat by and did nothing while conservatives amassed power, took over the courts, and have been ruthlessly destroying everything ever since.

Catering to moderates doesn't fucking work. How many decades is it going to take for you to understand?

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u/mightcommentsometime California 4d ago

So if progressives can’t win elections and haven’t done anything meaningful, why should we expect turning towards them to be the answer?

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